Mitch Moses Denied Release - Confirmed

[Telltails]

Let him spend the year in Ron Massey Cup

As long as it is not with the magpies hehehe

Still don't get the hate , same for Tedesco and Woods

They won't to leave they leave , they leave ,they want to stay , they stay ….

No reason to hate them though

How many years has Woods played for us now , 8 years ??

Tedesco 6 years ??

Yep agree. The level of venom directed especially at Woods - I know he is the club captain - since the contract negotiations is off the wall especially when there is little factual information about anything.
- seems like there is much more interest measuring the level of posts on bagging Woods than taliking about the footy. Not sure what happens if does re-sign because he seems to be up there now in the popularity stakes with the likes of former WTs Farah and Taylor.
Who would of thought the perception ,(and that is all it is) of a bloke could change that much in a couple of months - or maybe we just arent happy unless we have got someone to hate on.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Let him spend the year in Ron Massey Cup

As long as it is not with the magpies hehehe

Still don't get the hate , same for Tedesco and Woods

They won't to leave they leave , they leave ,they want to stay , they stay ….

No reason to hate them though

How many years has Woods played for us now , 8 years ??

Tedesco 6 years ??

Yep agree. The level of venom directed especially at Woods - I know he is the club captain - since the contract negotiations is off the wall especially when there is little factual information about anything.
- seems like there is much more interest measuring the level of posts on bagging Woods than taliking about the footy. Not sure what happens if does re-sign because he seems to be up there now in the popularity stakes with the likes of former WTs Farah and Taylor.
Who would of thought the perception ,(and that is all it is) of a bloke could change that much in a couple of months - or maybe we just arent happy unless we have got someone to hate on.

Him re-signing now wouldn't win him much respect. It would be asked why he didn't sign months ago and spare us this fiasco.

 

[earl]

We talk specifically about 'Uncle Benny' but I think you'll find that the Moses and moreso the Elias family are filled with highly successful, financially-minded people. Good people, importantly. There is an expectation (and I suppose with that, naturally, a pressure) to be successful and that can lead people to chase money more than they should. Do some reading about the families and you'll see what I mean. By all this I mean to say: we shouldn't be surprised he's chased the safest, biggest offer put to him.

I don't buy this at all. I also don't think they come across as good people. Good people don't act the way Benny and Mitchell have acted.

My take is that they aren't very smart and yet they want to be seen to be successful.

I'm not surprised the way Mitchell has acted. It shows his character and the fact that being humble, gracious and classy isn't in his character and this probably reflects his family values.

 

[earl]

Let him spend the year in Ron Massey Cup

As long as it is not with the magpies hehehe

Still don't get the hate , same for Tedesco and Woods

They won't to leave they leave , they leave ,they want to stay , they stay ….

No reason to hate them though

How many years has Woods played for us now , 8 years ??

Tedesco 6 years ??

You said something earlier like this. I understand why you don't understand it. It's about showing loyalty and respect towards a club that has bent over backwards for you.

You don't value those personal character traits. I personally value those character traits and hatred is a good word to describe my feelings towards people that act the way young Mitchell has. If that was my kid I'd be embarrassed.

 

[Telltails]

As long as it is not with the magpies hehehe

Still don't get the hate , same for Tedesco and Woods

They won't to leave they leave , they leave ,they want to stay , they stay ….

No reason to hate them though

How many years has Woods played for us now , 8 years ??

Tedesco 6 years ??

Yep agree. The level of venom directed especially at Woods - I know he is the club captain - since the contract negotiations is off the wall especially when there is little factual information about anything.
- seems like there is much more interest measuring the level of posts on bagging Woods than taliking about the footy. Not sure what happens if does re-sign because he seems to be up there now in the popularity stakes with the likes of former WTs Farah and Taylor.99
Who would of thought the perception ,(and that is all it is) of a bloke could change that much in a couple of months - or maybe we just arent happy unless we have got someone to hate on.

Him re-signing now wouldn't win him much respect. It would be asked why he didn't sign months ago and spare us this fiasco.

I guess players dont divilge that sort of information to the public and I am not sure that we should ever hope it gets to that point.
The more information we get the more we want and it seems we are not really ever sure if its fact or fiction - but it still infuences our opinions.
You and I miles apart on our summation of this situation yet we read the same stuff.
I always lean toward benefit of the doubt cause nine times out of ten most of what is shared is rumour or speculation. For that reason my thoughts on Woods and Teddy are based on how they have presented and represented themselves and the club over number of years and not on what has occurred during the negotiation process. But like you I agree the sooner it is sorted the better for all.

 

[timmings01]

I doubt that anyone here hates the team. Criticism of Woods and Moses is justified though. Their actions (or lack of action) creates instability. They know that and yet they do nothing to change it. Letting it drag on for so long shows a complete lack of respect for not only the team but also the fans. That's where the so called hate comes from.

 

[Geo]

As long as it is not with the magpies hehehe

Still don't get the hate , same for Tedesco and Woods

They won't to leave they leave , they leave ,they want to stay , they stay ….

No reason to hate them though

How many years has Woods played for us now , 8 years ??

Tedesco 6 years ??

Yep agree. The level of venom directed especially at Woods - I know he is the club captain - since the contract negotiations is off the wall especially when there is little factual information about anything.
- seems like there is much more interest measuring the level of posts on bagging Woods than taliking about the footy. Not sure what happens if does re-sign because he seems to be up there now in the popularity stakes with the likes of former WTs Farah and Taylor.
Who would of thought the perception ,(and that is all it is) of a bloke could change that much in a couple of months - or maybe we just arent happy unless we have got someone to hate on.

Him re-signing now wouldn't win him much respect. It would be asked why he didn't sign months ago and spare us this fiasco.

Woods re-signing now would even cause more angst and bitter resentment as the Origin and Australian Prop forward has earned Plodder status…plus he has long hair..which seems to be a major sticking point..

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Struth just as well that Robbie did not have flowing locks - that would make him irredeemable as well as a handsome JC lookalike, Mel Brooks could have used him.

 

[newtiger]

Let him spend the year in Ron Massey Cup

As long as it is not with the magpies hehehe

Still don't get the hate , same for Tedesco and Woods

They won't to leave they leave , they leave ,they want to stay , they stay ….

No reason to hate them though

How many years has Woods played for us now , 8 years ??

Tedesco 6 years ??

Yep agree. The level of venom directed especially at Woods - I know he is the club captain - since the contract negotiations is off the wall especially when there is little factual information about anything.
- seems like there is much more interest measuring the level of posts on bagging Woods than taliking about the footy. Not sure what happens if does re-sign because he seems to be up there now in the popularity stakes with the likes of former WTs Farah and Taylor.
Who would of thought the perception ,(and that is all it is) of a bloke could change that much in a couple of months - or maybe we just arent happy unless we have got someone to hate on.

Happy and TT are correct I just don't get the venom from some people here Teddy and Woods are about to make possibly the biggest decision of their playing career, why would you not take time to make the right decisions.
If and when they leave then unload on them not while they are still our Captain and best player.

 

[clokan]

All of the players are just doing there best by themselves and their families, how can we deny them that? It's not like the club has shown a lot of loyalty to players over the years, Gibbs, Ryan, Farah etc.

My only issue has been the way they have gone about it, but again it just shows their level of maturity, and in some cases intelligence. These guys aren't businessmen, or experienced negotiators. They are young footballers being influenced by management and family.

The reason we find ourselves in this predicament is because the club let it happen. If they all weren't off contract this year, this would have played out differently.

 

[earl]

All of the players are just doing there best by themselves and their families, how can we deny them that? It's not like the club has shown a lot of loyalty to players over the years, Gibbs, Ryan, Farah etc.

My only issue has been the way they have gone about it, but again it just shows their level of maturity, and in some cases intelligence. These guys aren't businessmen, or experienced negotiators. They are young footballers being influenced by management and family.

The reason we find ourselves in this predicament is because the club let it happen. If they all weren't off contract this year, this would have played out differently.

Lets break these points down:-

1\. They are just doing the best by their families. I don't believe that this is true at all. We have no idea how they live their lives but if they had signed last year they would be doing fine financially. There are so many decisions other than who they sign with including us that will impact their lives significantly more than trying to milk every last dollar out of footy. They could save money, make smart investment decisions, spend more time with their family etc.
2\. The club hasn't shown loyalty to other players. I completely agree with this. The club needs to change it's approach to how we manage the team and players. A lot of this I feel though comes down to cap management. Maybe resigning these guys won't work out for us in the long run.
3\. Yes these kids aren't mature. They may also be lacking intelligence. They are being influenced by their families and managers who don't on the whole appear to be good role models for these kids.
4\. The club let it happen. I don't agree with this at all. The club has bent over backwards for these kids. Mitchell especially was given the reigns to the club and offered a number of contracts not based on performance but based on potential.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

All of the players are just doing there best by themselves and their families, how can we deny them that? It's not like the club has shown a lot of loyalty to players over the years, Gibbs, Ryan, Farah etc.

My only issue has been the way they have gone about it, but again it just shows their level of maturity, and in some cases intelligence. These guys aren't businessmen, or experienced negotiators. They are young footballers being influenced by management and family.

The reason we find ourselves in this predicament is because the club let it happen. If they all weren't off contract this year, this would have played out differently.

When you say "the club" you mean former admin. No one apart of the club now let this happen.

 

[mike]

As long as it is not with the magpies hehehe

Still don't get the hate , same for Tedesco and Woods

They won't to leave they leave , they leave ,they want to stay , they stay ….

No reason to hate them though

How many years has Woods played for us now , 8 years ??

Tedesco 6 years ??

Yep agree. The level of venom directed especially at Woods - I know he is the club captain - since the contract negotiations is off the wall especially when there is little factual information about anything.
- seems like there is much more interest measuring the level of posts on bagging Woods than taliking about the footy. Not sure what happens if does re-sign because he seems to be up there now in the popularity stakes with the likes of former WTs Farah and Taylor.
Who would of thought the perception ,(and that is all it is) of a bloke could change that much in a couple of months - or maybe we just arent happy unless we have got someone to hate on.

Happy and TT are correct I just don't get the venom from some people here Teddy and Woods are about to make possibly the biggest decision of their playing career, why would you not take time to make the right decisions.
If and when they leave then unload on them not while they are still our Captain and best player.

Because when you accept the captaincy role you take on that responsibility. This means sometimes putting the team first. At least trying to encourage everyone what is best for the club, not themselves. He has shown over last few months that he just isn't captain material. He is not mature enough to accept all the responsibility that goes with the title.

 

[Aubanon]

As long as it is not with the magpies hehehe

Still don't get the hate , same for Tedesco and Woods

They won't to leave they leave , they leave ,they want to stay , they stay ….

No reason to hate them though

How many years has Woods played for us now , 8 years ??

Tedesco 6 years ??

Yep agree. The level of venom directed especially at Woods - I know he is the club captain - since the contract negotiations is off the wall especially when there is little factual information about anything.
- seems like there is much more interest measuring the level of posts on bagging Woods than taliking about the footy. Not sure what happens if does re-sign because he seems to be up there now in the popularity stakes with the likes of former WTs Farah and Taylor.
Who would of thought the perception ,(and that is all it is) of a bloke could change that much in a couple of months - or maybe we just arent happy unless we have got someone to hate on.

Happy and TT are correct I just don't get the venom from some people here Teddy and Woods are about to make possibly the biggest decision of their playing career, why would you not take time to make the right decisions.
If and when they leave then unload on them not while they are still our Captain and best player.

Make no mistakes this decision is all about maximising individual earnings in a climate of uncertainty re: Salary Cap. Nothing more. Playing in a successful club, wanting to see who is coach are all spin to buy more time to drag this out.

They have lost a lot of respect because of this. No problems maximising your earnings - all the best to you. Just dont treat us supporters as mugs.

They havent respected the club like they should have. James Roberts' manager came out in the press a few days back saying we have no intention of negotiating with anyone bar the Broncos. Cooper Cronk comes out and says this is my last year at Melbourne and i want to give them the time to arrange their roster. Both guys could have kept their intentions close to them and tested the market but instead have treated their clubs with respect.

Our guys haven't. If they stay, i ask why would you denegrade the club only to sign to stay . If youve decided to go, why not make your intentions clear so as to give the club and the current players the opportunity for future success by focusing on recruiting your replacements.

The most frustrating element however is this sense of entitlement that exists. Im entitled to be an NRL player. Im entitled to be at a successful club.

 

[Aubanon]

Dbl post

 

[clokan]

All of the players are just doing there best by themselves and their families, how can we deny them that? It's not like the club has shown a lot of loyalty to players over the years, Gibbs, Ryan, Farah etc.

My only issue has been the way they have gone about it, but again it just shows their level of maturity, and in some cases intelligence. These guys aren't businessmen, or experienced negotiators. They are young footballers being influenced by management and family.

The reason we find ourselves in this predicament is because the club let it happen. If they all weren't off contract this year, this would have played out differently.

When you say "the club" you mean former admin. No one apart of the club now let this happen.

Yes referring to former admin, the current board appears to be handling things much better, though in my eyes they lost a few points with the way that both Farah and Taylor were handled. No real issue with the end results, just how they went about it.

 

[Telltails]

I doubt that anyone here hates the team. Criticism of Woods and Moses is justified though. Their actions (or lack of action) creates instability. They know that and yet they do nothing to change it. Letting it drag on for so long shows a complete lack of respect for not only the team but also the fans. That's where the so called hate comes from.

So Sean Johnson, Gareth Widdop doing the same at their clubs? They are all negotiating within the system the NRL allows. If you are concerned about the instabilty this creates attack the system not the players who are caught up in it.

 

[Tim Sheens]

No doubt. But how many of these guys go on to be successful after league? Moses is no dummy, but it's pretty clear he wants to earn as much as he can while he's playing, which is fair enough, good luck to him. I just think this contract saga typifies his character.

That may be true Willow - just trying to keep some balance in the discussion. He certainly portrays as an ambitious young man. Some challenges ahead settling into a new club - will be real test of his resolve to succeed.

In hindsight the club made a very poor decision in placing all their cards on Moses. Not only did he shaft the club early he also planted a divide/influence on woods and tedesco with the wehbe and Isaac Moses factor. I'm sure woods and tedesco would be different not being influenced by that lot. Good luck with that one parramatta.

Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

Reckon it's a biatch.

 

[Aubanon]

I doubt that anyone here hates the team. Criticism of Woods and Moses is justified though. Their actions (or lack of action) creates instability. They know that and yet they do nothing to change it. Letting it drag on for so long shows a complete lack of respect for not only the team but also the fans. That's where the so called hate comes from.

So Sean Johnson, Gareth Widdop doing the same at their clubs? They are all negotiating within the system the NRL allows. If you are concerned about the instabilty this creates attack the system not the players who are caught up in it.

Curious to know - have either of those two been quoted saying anything disparaging of club or teams lack of success.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

I doubt that anyone here hates the team. Criticism of Woods and Moses is justified though. Their actions (or lack of action) creates instability. They know that and yet they do nothing to change it. Letting it drag on for so long shows a complete lack of respect for not only the team but also the fans. That's where the so called hate comes from.

So Sean Johnson, Gareth Widdop doing the same at their clubs? They are all negotiating within the system the NRL allows. If you are concerned about the instabilty this creates attack the system not the players who are caught up in it.

No problem with players negotiating for their futures at all. That is life.
Just don't make a game out of it in the media and bald-faced lie to the supporters of your club who invest a lot of emotion, passion etc into the club and individuals within the club. IMO anyway, that isn't the right way to go about it. If Woods is to be believed then he only heard about JT's sacking via twitter, only heard about the Bulldogs tabling him an offer when he was watching TV whilst eating his dinner one night and hasn't spoken to his manager AT ALL in regards to his contract negotiations and the details of specific offers from rival clubs. They are all quotes he has dumped on NRL 360 over the last few weeks.
If anybody believes a word he says then they have a pumpkin for a head.
That is the reason behind much of the dislike thrown Woods' way and rightly so. The captain of our club treating us all like morons.
Probably best if he leaves, the damage done is probably irreperable and the supporters will turn on him in an instant if he stays and starts to suffer a drop in form.