MOLTZEN? Thread
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happy_tiger
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I can't speak for the modern game as the wrestle was basically non existant in the day
But you are really trying to do a few things when bringing the ball back and most of the things have been covered You want to try and mix it up when you bring the ball back Becoming predictable will get you hammered no matter what you do
Firstly I was taught to try and get into a position where the side could bring the ball up left or right As many have seen getting boxed into a corner is a bad thing , you'll be flat out making it to your 30 metre line by the 5th tackle
Secondly ,I was looking for some dragging their feet in a chase or moving up too quickly and then try and exploit a counter attack which obviously is win /win
Thirdly obviously making as much ground as possible whether it is you or a winger Some wingers you wouldn't let pass wind ,let alone the ball
So all the comments were right , but you can't expect Moltzen to bring it back 100 miles an hour because he will end up worse than he has when he did when he has been fielding some bombs of late
But you are really trying to do a few things when bringing the ball back and most of the things have been covered You want to try and mix it up when you bring the ball back Becoming predictable will get you hammered no matter what you do
Firstly I was taught to try and get into a position where the side could bring the ball up left or right As many have seen getting boxed into a corner is a bad thing , you'll be flat out making it to your 30 metre line by the 5th tackle
Secondly ,I was looking for some dragging their feet in a chase or moving up too quickly and then try and exploit a counter attack which obviously is win /win
Thirdly obviously making as much ground as possible whether it is you or a winger Some wingers you wouldn't let pass wind ,let alone the ball
So all the comments were right , but you can't expect Moltzen to bring it back 100 miles an hour because he will end up worse than he has when he did when he has been fielding some bombs of late
watersider
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@innsaneink said:
I dont see him insulting players on the field and it doesnt look like players dont like him…so i am not sure if there is much to worry about there.
As to the first point, i just dont think strong returns are central to judging the quality of a fullback. The modern fullback is a second 5/8 and has to be creative and skilful- which is why i think moltzen is a good fullback. But each to their own i guess. Hodgson was crucial to our premiership win and moltzen is very similar in style to him in my opinion.
I want moltzen to stop making errors, but dropping him isnt going to change that (would probably only shatter his confidence). Best to give him time and see if he can work it out. I think he will.
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watersider
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@willow said:
Cant agree with that. I think moltzen is much faster than beau. Beau may be faster than last year but no one would accuse him of being a speedy winger; whereas moltzen has genuine pace.
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simonthetiger
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No offense to Beau who is going great guns,but Molts is WAY faster.
bonstonker
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This happens every week - guys are taught to tackle around the chest to wrap up the ball and then try to sling the player into touch .
Even if he grabs his arm he's fine - it's when you get an awkward fend ,like this, and miss you look bad.
In the old days you went low and the momentum of your body in the tackle would drag them over the line.
What also worried me with this try (and just before this vision) is that Ayshford had him covered and pulled out to let Moltzen chase him.
Last year Ayshford would have caught him easy - maybe why he's not a run on centre if he's lost that much pace.
If so - how has he got so slow so fast?
Even if he grabs his arm he's fine - it's when you get an awkward fend ,like this, and miss you look bad.
In the old days you went low and the momentum of your body in the tackle would drag them over the line.
What also worried me with this try (and just before this vision) is that Ayshford had him covered and pulled out to let Moltzen chase him.
Last year Ayshford would have caught him easy - maybe why he's not a run on centre if he's lost that much pace.
If so - how has he got so slow so fast?
For all his flaws (which are think are exaggerated by some members on this forum) if you take out Moltzen we lose a major attacking threat. When Reddy was at fullback with Moltzen off Benji ran the inside ball play that works so well and Reddy was brought down fairly easily, I think if Moltzen is on at this point he wouldve broken the line with his extra pace.
We would be a much easier team to defend against without him as the defence would know where Benji is going to pass, to Lawrence or a cut out to Lote. He doesn't have the option of an inside ball to the quick fullback and as good as Beau is he is no ball player so he cant pass out the back to him to set something up.
With Benji all but putting away his running game apart from broken play and Rowdy not in very good form, Moltzen is the X factor in our backline and give him a little more time and his flaws will improve, there has already been an improvement in bomb taking
We would be a much easier team to defend against without him as the defence would know where Benji is going to pass, to Lawrence or a cut out to Lote. He doesn't have the option of an inside ball to the quick fullback and as good as Beau is he is no ball player so he cant pass out the back to him to set something up.
With Benji all but putting away his running game apart from broken play and Rowdy not in very good form, Moltzen is the X factor in our backline and give him a little more time and his flaws will improve, there has already been an improvement in bomb taking
happy_tiger
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@cktiger said:
For once I am going to come to Moltzens aid Firstly he gets a great palm , it is in his face ,Moltzen would not of been able to see a thing and that would of been that
Secondly , you have to make decisions on how you are going to make a tackle as a fullback as you are the last line of defence
If Moltzen had thought that the cover defenders coming across couldn't catch the Parra support player , he has to go high and tie up the ball or the attacking player offloads and they still score anyway
Every fullback worth his salt has been made look like a mug in these types of situations
For once i disagree Happy. A tackle around the legs there and it would have been all over. It was that simple. Blair would have been on the ground and into touch before he knew it. Don't forget Scott Sattler on Todd Byrne. Sattler never gave Bryne a chance to give him a face full of palm, he just dropped him.
I don't condone or agree with personal attacks on players, but Tim made a schoolboy error in that instance. However it's not the reason we capitulated in the last 13 minutes.Hopefully he will learn from it.
I don't condone or agree with personal attacks on players, but Tim made a schoolboy error in that instance. However it's not the reason we capitulated in the last 13 minutes.Hopefully he will learn from it.
happy_tiger
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@Furious1 said:
Sorry Furious I said if he thought that he may have needed to do that , that is why he would of gone high
You can see plainly that perception would of been clearly wrong , but it all happens so quickly you do take the wrong option sometimes as a fullback
Thats why having a top notch fullback is so important
If you watch the replay you'll see everybody else drop out after he started chasing - either he is so much faster than them it isn't funny or they just decided to leave it to him.
Sometimes a bit off help is handy if you get bumped off and have managed to slow the guy down.
Personally I would have taken his legs.
Sometimes a bit off help is handy if you get bumped off and have managed to slow the guy down.
Personally I would have taken his legs.
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@bonstonker said:
Certainly not one for the highlights reel :laughing:
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just add beny hill music and you have instant classic.
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just add beny hill music and you have instant classic.
GNR4LIFE
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Question Bon
Always tried to work out who was wearing the no 6 jumper in your last avator with Johnny Cronk? is it Rhys Hanbury?
Always tried to work out who was wearing the no 6 jumper in your last avator with Johnny Cronk? is it Rhys Hanbury?
bonstonker
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@GNR4LIFE said:
pretty funny you ask in this thread.
it was moltzen
hybrid_tiger
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That gif is hilarious :laughing:
