OFFICIAL Moses Mbye [Discussion]

[Tweed_Tiger]

https://twitter.com/TripleM_NRL/status/1000650998656872450

 

[Tim Sheens]

I didn't think he was impressive, not even solid, however his actions in the opposition 20 led to points. We were so dominant and didn't score, so what he brings to the team is the ability to put someone over the line.

Don't know if you saw the bunnies game on the weekend, one of their tries was from lovely hands in the backline with jennings finding the line in the corner. I thought to myself "why can't we break down passive defense like this?" The answer is we have been a ball player short, and we saw with Nofo's try that we can actually score a try from a backline movement, without the need for a miracle pass from benji or brooks.

Mbye has a similar skill set, and probably makes less bad decisions, so I'm not blindly defending Tui. Just trying to offer some perspective as to why I think we need him wearing the 1 for now. Thomson on the wing showed you still get the best out of him, so proud of this guy, but he doesn't have the passing game of a 2018 fullback imo.

Well said, OMT.

Yeah definitely well said. Just a point of interest though, you say that Thompson doesn’t have the passing game of a 2018 fullback but neither does Tedesco! Yet he is NSW fullback rated one of the best in the game. He is certainly no playmaker and I really don’t see why the fullback has to be. I know it gives teams another option but if the halves and hooker are good at what they do all we really need is a fullback with speed and good positional play, backing up when needed. And I think we already have that with Thompson.

Spud I thought teddy developed a bit of a passing game but he shelved it last year to our detriment.

I think Dugan is a good example of a decent fullback who can't pass at all, so I still take your point

And that is what brought Tedesco back to the field with us last year. generally running side to side or in circles and going nowhere instead of taking them on direct and occasionally setting up the outside men as he used to.

 

[innsaneink]

Just on any announcements, I doubt we’ll see any today given the news cycle is full of origin selection content.

Yep… Maybe Wednesday my bet

 

[andrew 474]

2 Photos , make your own mind up what was said
Corey to Moses , you won't have to put up with loosing for long , see if Woodsy want to come with you
Moses to Josh , can't wait to get out of this mess , Woods wants in as well

 

[Glennb]

I really like Tui, was excited when we bought him and really hope he can make it, but IMO he should not be fullback again this year and if Mbye is coming next year that solves that.

Last night when Morris strolled over for his try and Tui lazily coasted up next to him with no urgency and let him pinch another 10-15m closer tot he sticks, that told me all I needed to know about Tui at FB in comparison to Thompson.

Then of course the dropped catch (can happen to anyone but….) and general poor play. Even the try from his kick, would have been safer and easier to go through the hands.

Nice kid, lots of talent but there is something missing mentally IMO. In comparison Thompson shines but is too small and has no passing game. Last night in a rubbish team Mbye was everywhere, backing up looking for teh ball. He looked the best FB on the park.

 

[HabboTiger]

Stats would disagree here.

 

[Balmainian]

Is anyone a little nervous about this signing?

Don’t get me wrong I think he’s got a lot of potential and talent. He’s got plenty of speed, footwork and his time in the halves has benefited his passing and kicking game. He also seems to have a good attitude and head on his shoulders.

I just can’t get my around is he better then Tui or Thompson? All have similar traits to their game and are fairly similar players. All are also pretty untested at fullback.

Tui probably has a bit more x-factor than Thompson, but Thompson is ever improving and has been safe as a bank at fullback. Thompson just lacks that passing game in the backline that modern day fullbacks need.

Unless Tigers have picked Mbye up for about $500k per year then I really can’t really see the value or think he will make much difference then our current options. He might be a slightly better player than Tui and Thompson, but is Mbye going to be a real game breaker for us in comparison?

Can you describe what Tui's X factor is?
Im not being sarcastic mate i just struggle to see what his special attributes are.

I too would be interested to know.

Watch the extended highlights and note how often he features in our attack…

2:06: He's chasing through with Brooks on the Marshall kick
2:14 His quick hands under pressure put Fonua into space
3:39 He's supporting Lawrence on the inside following the linebreak
4:04 Throws the cut out ball to put Nofo into space
5:13 Sweeps and draws and passes to create a 2 on 1
6:34 Pushes up to be the only one supporting the Marsters line break
6:40 Continues to follow the play to present an offload option for Fonua
6:51 Kicks into space to set up the match winning try

He has good instincts and knows when something's on in attack and he's prepared to chance his hand a little and back his instincts. Even in a game where he didn't play great overall he came up with some critical involvements - that's his x-factor, he just makes things happen.

Ok.
I did see most of what you mentioned yesterday and im not arguing about anything you've said.
I dont mind Tui…....i dont know where he actually fits in to the team, But i kind of feel an X factor is something not many footballers have or can emulate.
I think of Benji when he broke onto the scene as a good example of X Factor, He did what not many could physically do or even try to do.
Im not comparing the two players but i just dont see supporting a ball runner or chasing a kick as X factor qualities, those things are compulsory for all players in my opinion.
I hope i start see what it is that you see in him, but i havent seen my expectation of X factor yet.
And yes he did have critical touches that i will agree with.

 

[diedpretty]

Or still negotiating over when he joins us. A win today may tip the scale for a mid-season arrival.

The Bulldogs furom is still clinging to hope that he isn't going anywhere.

Yeah, I remember having those delusions about Woods & Teddy last year.

It has all come as news to his agent, Simon Mammino. “I certainly haven’t picked up my phone and spoken to anyone about Moses outside of Canterbury”.
This is what they are hinging there hope on.

Its all in the wording - he could be telling the truth - maybe negotiaitions have been face to face without any phone contact.

 

[tigeress]

Hmm I don’t know how to feel about this… to me his best position is a running 5/8, and I can only assume we’re getting him to play fullback. I see similarities to the signing of Lolohea, albeit Mbye has a bit more talent. Hopefully it works out, and I love that the dogs will be paying part of his salary.

That's an uninformed comment. He definitely doesn't have more talent but, I concede, he is in better form.

And he is a good goal kicker which is what we need desperately. :righton:

 

[diedpretty]

maybe we are looking at the MYBE signing in the wrong light, maybe IVAN is looking at bringing him over as a hooker, now would that not be a chance.

Points for originality.

Don't you have a game plan to sort for Hull KR, Tim.

Just on Tim saw this headline in Hull newspaper :

Tim Sheens' selection curveballs are turning out to be Hull KR gems

 

[Geo]

End of the week surely…

 

[2041]

Hmm I don’t know how to feel about this… to me his best position is a running 5/8, and I can only assume we’re getting him to play fullback. I see similarities to the signing of Lolohea, albeit Mbye has a bit more talent. Hopefully it works out, and I love that the dogs will be paying part of his salary.

That's an uninformed comment. He definitely doesn't have more talent but, I concede, he is in better form.

And he is a good goal kicker which is what we need desperately. :righton:

I'm seeing quite a few people making a lot out of Mbye's goal kicking. Let's all calm down about that, can we?

- Mbye is a career 69.5% kicker (98/141).
- Lolohea is a career 71.4% kicker (65/91).
- Marsters is a career 72.7% kicker (24/33).

I'm not even sure Mbye would win the kicking duties out of the three, let alone improve the outcome.

(Cue various people queuing up to explain that the stats somehow don't tell the full story and Mbye has had to kick some weird proportion of his goals from wide out/in pressure situations or some such…)

 

[Seantice]

The three of them are ordinary kickers. Id be stoked to get Nathan C for only his goal kicking let alone the other stuff he brings. WE need someone to kick at 80-85% at least.

 

[WT2K]

https://twitter.com/NBWT__/status/1001045649142370304?s=19

 

[The_Patriot]

- Mbye is a career 69.5% kicker (98/141).
- Lolohea is a career 71.4% kicker (65/91).
- Marsters is a career 72.7% kicker (24/33).

Those stats seem to suggest Lolohea is the better goal kicker of the 3.

Marsters sample size is small and he is on a fast downward spiral.

 

[gallagher]

I too would be interested to know.

Sets up match winning trys, undefeated with him in the team this year.

If you think he was impressive yesterday you have very low standards.

I didn't think he was impressive, not even solid, however his actions in the opposition 20 led to points. We were so dominant and didn't score, so what he brings to the team is the ability to put someone over the line.

Don't know if you saw the bunnies game on the weekend, one of their tries was from lovely hands in the backline with jennings finding the line in the corner. I thought to myself "why can't we break down passive defense like this?" The answer is we have been a ball player short, and we saw with Nofo's try that we can actually score a try from a backline movement, without the need for a miracle pass from benji or brooks.

Mbye has a similar skill set, and probably makes less bad decisions, so I'm not blindly defending Tui. Just trying to offer some perspective as to why I think we need him wearing the 1 for now. Thomson on the wing showed you still get the best out of him, so proud of this guy, but he doesn't have the passing game of a 2018 fullback imo.

Good post! Tui still looks like our most dangerous player inside the opp 20 to me. As you said, he's another playmaker compared to Thompson at fullback.

 

[hsvjones]

https://twitter.com/NBWT__/status/1001045649142370304?s=19

Will it be this year or next do you know? Fingers crossed this year.

 

[WT2K]

https://twitter.com/NBWT__/status/1001045649142370304?s=19

Will it be this year or next do you know? Fingers crossed this year.

Not sure, only person to mention it including this season has been Gus Gould

 

[FreddyK]

From a doggie perspective and given that they are unlikely to make the eight it would make financial sense that they move Mbye on ASAP. I reckon he will be a West-Tiger as of Thursday.

 

[TIGERPOWER]

From a doggie perspective and given that they are unlikely to make the eight it would make financial sense that they move Mbye on ASAP. I reckon he will be a West-Tiger as of Thursday.

I hope your right. Would make a huge difference to us this year.