Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread

@madge said in [Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread](/post/1447061) said:
Moses Mbye has revealed his reasons for leaving the Wests Tigers, saying he began to feel like a burden at the club.

On the same day he was officially granted a release from the final year of his $850,000 deal, to link with St George Illawarra on a two-year contract from next season, the former skipper spoke about a tumultuous three-year period at the Tigers.


"You can't help but hear what people say about you," Mbye told the Herald.

“People put me into this category and say ‘he’s not worth this’ or ‘he’s a waste of money’. I didn’t come here to be a burden on the club. But that’s how it started to feel. I felt like the longer it went on without results, I was becoming a hinderance on what Madge [coach Michael Maguire] was trying to build. If he is going to be judged on the team’s performances, he deserves the chance to build a roster with players he wants to sign.

"I didn't want to get in the way of that and me leaving gives the club more money to go out and recruit. I came to the Tigers in the hope of being part of the team that changed the fortunes of the club. I would have loved nothing more than to play my part in doing so, but it hasn't worked out that way."

Mbye’s lucrative deal with the Tigers has put his performances in the spotlight. Injuries and constant positional shifts have limited his ability to play at a high level since joining the club from the Bulldogs, with the 28-year-old admitting he hasn’t lived up to the price tag.


“At first you try and put the noise to the side, but after a while I started to realise that it is both in mine and the club’s best interest for us to part ways,” Mbye said.

“It’s why I asked the club for permission to look around for next year. Me and my family are very fortunate to be in the situation we are financially. I can’t thank the club enough for that. But with that price tag comes expectation, and for whatever reason it wasn’t working out.

“I’m not too proud to admit that the club hasn’t got value for money out of me. The reality is the club can’t continue to disappoint the fans, and me leaving helps them start to change that. It gives me an opportunity at a fresh start, which is what I think is best for my footy. I am proud to have played for the Wests Tigers.”

The Tigers, who will pay just over 50 per cent of Mbye’s salary next year, have been heavily scrutinised the past couple of years.


Pressure has fallen squarely on Maguire, with the coach feeling the heat after several big-name misses in the recruitment market. But Mbye said there was plenty to like about what the Tigers are building and urged fans to be patient.

“Everyone talks about the club’s recruitment and focuses on the big players that we’ve missed, but you have to look beneath that. It’s hard to ask fans to be patient given how long they have been waiting to play finals footy, but there are things happening in the background that Madge and Adam Hartigan []general manager] are doing that will set this club up for long-term success.

“Not enough is said about what Hartigan is doing in the background to help this team. I didn’t appreciate that until this trip, I’ve seen first hand how much he does for the team. He’s also been fantastic for me and all the families up here. The club is in good hands with him in his role.

“Adam Doueihi is a future captain of this club. He and Alex Twal are two players they can build the club around. Stefano [Utoikamanu] and Daine Laurie have been outstanding additions. There are definitely things to like, but it may not translate to success overnight. I think fans need to be OK with that, otherwise the club will be pressured into repeating the same mistakes.

“There’s no doubt Madge has had his challenges, and I’d be lying if I said that frustrations haven’t boiled over. But his heart is in the right place. He wants success for the Tigers as much as anyone. People will always have differing views on what is right and wrong, but he believes what he is doing is right. The club has signed him for another couple of years because they believe what he is doing is right.”

The Dragons approached Mbye about making the switch mid-season but instead he will join the club next year alongside recruits Jaydn Su’A, Francis Molo and George Burgess. He said he was open to playing multiple positions at the Dragons.

“During my time at the Bulldogs we had some great clashes with the Dragons and I got to see first hand the passion of their fans. I remember telling myself ‘that’s a club I’d love to play for’,” Mbye said.

“I live in Kogarah Bay in the heart of the St George area. My neighbours are Dragons fans. Even my daughter is a Dragons supporter, born in St George Hospital. Like the Tigers, the Dragons brand is one of the biggest in Australian sport. It’s a proud club that expects success. I’m excited to try and be part of their future.

“When I met Anthony Griffin, I became excited to be part of their journey to find that success. I’ve learnt some valuable lessons at the Tigers that I will take with me, and hopefully there are good times ahead in the red V. There’s a lot to like about their roster, some good signings next year and some quality young kids.

"I don’t know what position I am going to play. I know I’m going over there to be their Mr-Fix-It. I’m comfortable with that. In the modern game it’s a significant position having someone in your 17 that can cover three or four positions. That will be me at the Dragons next year."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/nrl/i-feel-like-a-burden-why-mbye-is-leaving-wests-tigers-20210817-p58jhy.html

Quality human
 
@tigerlouis said in [Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread](/post/1447081) said:
@russell said in [Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread](/post/1447050) said:
@tigerlouis said in [Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread](/post/1447047) said:
He will go well at the dragons in the number one or six & prove many people on this forum wrong.

Well why in the hell - didn't he do it here!!!!!!

By your comment then he must have been tanking.

Just a soft money sponge.

He was not given the opportunity here with ***Madge he kept on playing him in different positions*** & off the bench I’m pretty sure **Griffin will put him in one position** & that’s why he will excel there

Dragons press release says they wanted Mbye because of "His ability to play many positions is something that will strengthen our roster", Mbye himself said "*“I don’t know what position I am going to play. I know I’m going over there to be their Mr-Fix-It. I’m comfortable with that. In the modern game it’s a significant position having someone in your 17 that can cover three or four positions. That will be me at the Dragons next year.”*....but yeah......Madge was the problem.
 
@tigerlouis said in [Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread](/post/1447081) said:
@russell said in [Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread](/post/1447050) said:
@tigerlouis said in [Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread](/post/1447047) said:
He will go well at the dragons in the number one or six & prove many people on this forum wrong.

Well why in the hell - didn't he do it here!!!!!!

By your comment then he must have been tanking.

Just a soft money sponge.

He was not given the opportunity here with Madge he kept on playing him in different positions & off the bench I’m pretty sure Griffin will put him in one position & that’s why he will excel there & the way Madge gave the captaincy to Tamou over Mbye was disgraceful no wonder why his heart was to play elsewhere & not at the tigers good luck to him & I for one hope he plays well he is definitely a top 17 & was not his fault that our club paid overs for him.

Next time you go to the shops, buy a clue, cause you don’t seem to have one atm.
 
The writing was on the wall in pre-season when Madge told him he wouldn't be captain - he wasn't happy with that and while he speaks well and is great role model, we're going to be much better served with another 400k in our pocket for next season.
 
Thanks for your services Moses!
Personally appreciate the kind words about the club and while it hasn't worked out (for whatever reasons), wish you all the best.

If im honest the only disappointing thing to read about is that it felt like a huge burden to him to represent the club - which isn't entirely his fault. So hopefully the club can take this as another lesson.
 
Thinking this is good news for the tigers. Mbye has been a reasonable player but far from the quality he could offer. Definitely not worth the money the tigers were paying for him. (as he acknowledges). Many posts are on the mark, nice bloke, presents well but does not win us football matches which was his job. Time to move on and back Madge with his youth policy with a sprinkling of seasoned players to lead the tigers back into playing finals footy.
 
@jadtiger said in [Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread](/post/1447026) said:
@tigerpower said in [Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread](/post/1446997) said:
Out of all the Cleary signings this is the one I was most excited about. Even bulldog supporters at the time were livid to lose him. But what a disaster it has been. Good riddance!!!!


The dogs supporters i know would have happily driven him to Concord as they thought he was terrible

He was their best player back then, maybe you were to talking to afl bulldog supporters lol.
 
Good luck to Moses wish him all the best. As far as I am concerned belle played as well for Wests as he did for Canterbury. His character is probably something that annoyed many, but that’s just him. Its not his fault Wests Tigers paid big money for him. He is not an idiot and I am sure that everyone here would have done so as well. Its a bit like Real Estate you are only worth what someone is offering and willing to pay for. His contract is what Wests Tigers we’re willing to pay and what they thought was his worth. Only one party to blame here and it’s the Wests Tigers. He can walk away knowing he did his best. I personally would never had done the deal but in saying that, my opinion is worth Jack!
 
He didn't ever remotely come close to his price tag. His signing was like an anchor to the club, and I'm not surprised he felt like a burden. The club needs to learn from this.
 
@aturkey said in [Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread](/post/1447153) said:
He didn't ever remotely come close to his price tag. His signing was like an anchor to the club, and I'm not surprised he felt like a burden. The club needs to learn from this.

He wasnt a burden at the time of recruitment when Ivan wanted him.....
The club has learnt.....thats why Hartigan and Madge dont overpay or pay huge money for players that the fans want....
 
@truetiger said in [Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread](/post/1447157) said:
@aturkey said in [Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread](/post/1447153) said:
He didn't ever remotely come close to his price tag. His signing was like an anchor to the club, and I'm not surprised he felt like a burden. The club needs to learn from this.

He wasnt a burden at the time of recruitment when Ivan wanted him.....
The club has learnt.....thats why Hartigan and Madge dont overpay or pay huge money for players that the fans want....

What is your point? He wasn't a burden for like 1/8th of his time here, so he wasn't a burden overall? What is your point? He and his contract were a huge anchor on the club. I don't know how you can refute that.

And yes, so far. But lets be real, the players the fans want never even consider the Tigers to begin with.
 
@aturkey said in [Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread](/post/1447161) said:
@truetiger said in [Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread](/post/1447157) said:
@aturkey said in [Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread](/post/1447153) said:
He didn't ever remotely come close to his price tag. His signing was like an anchor to the club, and I'm not surprised he felt like a burden. The club needs to learn from this.

He wasnt a burden at the time of recruitment when Ivan wanted him.....
The club has learnt.....thats why Hartigan and Madge dont overpay or pay huge money for players that the fans want....

What is your point? He wasn't a burden for like 1/8th of his time here, so he wasn't a burden overall? What is your point? He and his contract were a huge anchor on the club. I don't know how you can refute that.

And yes, so far. And lets be real, the players the fans want never even consider the Tigers to begin with.

I will tell you my point....Mbye was contracted by Ivan for a particular role...Ivan left us hanging and left Moses hanging in particular with a huge monetary contract that he was going to fulfill under IVANS COACHING ....Madge comes in and sees things differently BUT Mbye is still under contract so Madge uses him as a versatile utility that came in handy on many occasions....not his fault IVAN paid him a big money contract....you got my point turkey....
Madge and Hartigan have learnt from that contractual agreement and wont make the same mistake again...
 
He wasn’t the player that lived up to his marquee status and that’s hardly his fault, you have to look at Pascoe, Egan and Cleary. I don’t blame him for taking the money on the table, if we had paid $450k for him or less his true worth he’d probably still be here next season. As people have said he seems like a decent bloke can talk a good game but he’s just an average footballer who probably could and should have had stints in reggies, but when you’re paying him what we were you can’t justify that. Time to move on for all parties wish him well can’t say there will be any good memories though.
 
Really I don't care how much he was paid..his performance was insipid whether it was $50 or $10 Million dollars bar 1/2 a dozen games in all his time here... good BYE..
 
@truetiger said in [Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread](/post/1447157) said:
@aturkey said in [Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread](/post/1447153) said:
He didn't ever remotely come close to his price tag. His signing was like an anchor to the club, and I'm not surprised he felt like a burden. The club needs to learn from this.

He wasnt a burden at the time of recruitment when Ivan wanted him.....
The club has learnt.....thats why Hartigan and Madge dont overpay or pay huge money for players that the fans want....

That kind of stubbornness will only get the club so far. Given the position the club is in, it has no choice but to bite the bullet and pay overs for 1 or 2 quality players. They just need to be the right ones.
 
@gnr4life said in [Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread](/post/1447175) said:
@truetiger said in [Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread](/post/1447157) said:
@aturkey said in [Moses Mbye Super Duper Thread](/post/1447153) said:
He didn't ever remotely come close to his price tag. His signing was like an anchor to the club, and I'm not surprised he felt like a burden. The club needs to learn from this.

He wasnt a burden at the time of recruitment when Ivan wanted him.....
The club has learnt.....thats why Hartigan and Madge dont overpay or pay huge money for players that the fans want....

That kind of stubbornness will only get the club so far. Given the position the club is in, it has no choice but to bite the bullet and pay overs for 1 or 2 quality players. They just need to be the right ones.

I agree but we will need to pay way overs unfortunately.
 
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