Moses Suli
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https://twitter.com/NBWT__/status/958997048790888448
Snippet from a DT article.
Snippet from a DT article.
Win/win for mine.
He was on an outrageous contract worse than the ridiciulous ones Broses were given and delivered little. His only asset was size for his age. He had a long way to go before he earned his dough. Terrible signing that should lead to the dismissal of the moron who drew it up. On the upside, his 'departure' allows us to spend his money on a first grade quality player. So we dont have him infecting the playing group and we have his money.
Like I said, win/win.
He was on an outrageous contract worse than the ridiciulous ones Broses were given and delivered little. His only asset was size for his age. He had a long way to go before he earned his dough. Terrible signing that should lead to the dismissal of the moron who drew it up. On the upside, his 'departure' allows us to spend his money on a first grade quality player. So we dont have him infecting the playing group and we have his money.
Like I said, win/win.
Tiger_Steve
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Can anyone post this DT article on the forum. It’s behind the subscribers wall
jirskyr
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I don't think we can properly judge this for another 6-12 months. If he doesn't come to anything at Canterbury, or they shop him on, we know we did right. A la BMM.
If he comes good at Canterbury, either the change of scenery / reality check did the job or we have an indicator of WT being unable to properly manage or motivate Suli. A la Andrew Fifita.
I choose to assume at this time we've been diligent and this is the best move. Time may prove otherwise and so be it. But I do applaud the coach being fairly strict about what he expects from players. More than anything, letting players rest on their laurels / get special treatment / be pea-hearts is a hallmark of old regimes.
What I would LOVE is Tigers to sign a big name player really soon, to give some further explanation to why Suli was let go. We rarely seem to do this, rarely move players on and very suddenly make a strong signing afterwards.
If he comes good at Canterbury, either the change of scenery / reality check did the job or we have an indicator of WT being unable to properly manage or motivate Suli. A la Andrew Fifita.
I choose to assume at this time we've been diligent and this is the best move. Time may prove otherwise and so be it. But I do applaud the coach being fairly strict about what he expects from players. More than anything, letting players rest on their laurels / get special treatment / be pea-hearts is a hallmark of old regimes.
What I would LOVE is Tigers to sign a big name player really soon, to give some further explanation to why Suli was let go. We rarely seem to do this, rarely move players on and very suddenly make a strong signing afterwards.
sideline_eye
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No he fell of his wallet and ended up with stress fractures in his ankles. He has to see a plastic surgeon to remove the laugh lines from his wallet.
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lclarke
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He had stress fractures in his lower back in 2016 which put him out after 3 games for the season. Pretty sure the ankle injury in 2017 was ligament and repaired. The recurrence of stress fractures I heard about were in his back again.
sheer64
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He has gone to the dogs and was a million to one to play for the first 8 weeks. We have done very well.
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NT - I dont have a fixation with Suli. I didnt sign him for 1.3.mill our club did, as the next big thing and we were told as much.
No mention of bad ankles or bad attitude then, in fact quite the opposite a priority during negs with what use to be referred to as the "big 4."-and like many I thought it was very risky.
However, his performances as an 18 year old in the FG showed enough to suggest that there was some validity for doing so. So good move - and last week most would agree he was in our plans for the next couple of years and hopefully beyond..
This week because we discover he is no longer at the club and at another club, we get the wrong attitude explanation and bad ankles and its good riddance and of course a threat to this new culture we are building.
All very well but - the Dogs are prepared to take on the bad attitude and ankles and we are less another young talent. The message I get from our club is give some attitude and the Tigers will release you and someone else will sign you on and we all buy it as developing a better culture.
When and if the club announce a suitable replacement fair enough all good. - but otherwise the inabilty of our club to manage young men with reportedly bad attitudes is just not cutting it for me.anymore especially when just 12 months prior they were prepared to offer a mammoth contract to secure him - Now he will go play with the dogs who are willing to find a place for him without him being a threat to their so called "culture".
The only good outcome is the fact we are reportedly not paying him anything. Thankful for that at least.
weststigers
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Suli going is the best thing to happen in this situation. Cleary doesn't have time to cater to players having a whinge and not putting in. We need some success this season and it will only come if we have the right attitude as a team. One bad egg can really make the place toxic and I'm glad he's gone - it also sends a message to the other guys. We're here to help, but only if you'll accept it.
The NRL is littered with stories like this one…just glad we weren't desperate enough to have to keep him. Finally we have the luxury of some depth.
If we sign a top class player because of this, we'll be in a better position than we are now.
The NRL is littered with stories like this one…just glad we weren't desperate enough to have to keep him. Finally we have the luxury of some depth.
If we sign a top class player because of this, we'll be in a better position than we are now.
Fraze23
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I don't care what kind of potential Suli has. Cleary and Pascoe have drawn a clear line in the sand and set a precedent for the other players. That will be far more valuable than Suli's potential.
innsaneink
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Lets not forget he was punted from parra as well early on, before they had a change of heart, and other clubs were circling…it was a panicky signing...but hes been punted before
The Tigers up until this stage like it or lump have always been a stepping stone for these over privileged kids with entitlements.
Suli said so himself in one of the articles.
The bulldogs contract was there at the time and he signed with us. His words “it was a better opportunity at the time with the Tigers” translate that to Tim Simona just got dumped and I have a first grade spot available that no one will contest me for. When does he drop the ball? As soon as we announce some more senior signings and all of a sudden he needs a change of scenery to betterment his career.
Now I have my theory that Suli has already been paid a large part of his 1.3 sallary in his first year in order for us to fit more into the bus this year, but that is only an assumption. But if true it would explain the reason he would no longer need the Tigers and the fact the Bulldogs hierarchy are boasting that they’ve signed up the kid for half the money we signed him for….
I’m not so confident we didn’t walk away from this without some sort of cost.
Anyway. Cleary being a lesser fan of up and comers and more proven players I’d expect this to be the last time we pay overs just to keep a kid that believes his already made it.
This was the one bidding war we shouldn’t of got into.
Do we have an administration problem with managing problem child’s.
Yes.
But until we are seen as a destination and not a hop for these kids we are not going to win that battle.
Do the power clubs have better systems in place for managing such players?
Potentially, but you’ve got to remember the other teams have the draw of the players actually wanting to REPRESENT the club, not just play football for them and that is the big difference between us and the big players at the moment.
Suli said so himself in one of the articles.
The bulldogs contract was there at the time and he signed with us. His words “it was a better opportunity at the time with the Tigers” translate that to Tim Simona just got dumped and I have a first grade spot available that no one will contest me for. When does he drop the ball? As soon as we announce some more senior signings and all of a sudden he needs a change of scenery to betterment his career.
Now I have my theory that Suli has already been paid a large part of his 1.3 sallary in his first year in order for us to fit more into the bus this year, but that is only an assumption. But if true it would explain the reason he would no longer need the Tigers and the fact the Bulldogs hierarchy are boasting that they’ve signed up the kid for half the money we signed him for….
I’m not so confident we didn’t walk away from this without some sort of cost.
Anyway. Cleary being a lesser fan of up and comers and more proven players I’d expect this to be the last time we pay overs just to keep a kid that believes his already made it.
This was the one bidding war we shouldn’t of got into.
Do we have an administration problem with managing problem child’s.
Yes.
But until we are seen as a destination and not a hop for these kids we are not going to win that battle.
Do the power clubs have better systems in place for managing such players?
Potentially, but you’ve got to remember the other teams have the draw of the players actually wanting to REPRESENT the club, not just play football for them and that is the big difference between us and the big players at the moment.
MightyMaggy
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Maybe, just maybe, the culture at the Dogs fits Suli and Suli fits their culture, so that he is no threat!
Who was the main person behind the signing of Suli to the Wests Tigers about eighteen months ago?
Where does he work now?
I say, like most others I read on this Forum, well done by the Club and what a refreshing change to have the Club "in charge" and not some petulant young man.
Not sure if this is directly linked to Moses Suli but here is the Cleary article.
Tigers coach Ivan Cleary opens up about Moses Suli and club’s new culture
Paul Crawley, The Daily Telegraph
February 1, 2018 7:49pm
Subscriber only
IVAN Cleary has no regrets about Moses Suli’s stunning exit off the Wests Tigers bus, declaring “we did our best but in the end I guess you can only lead a horse to water”.
In the wake of the talented 19-year-old’s switch to Canterbury, Cleary has opened up to The Daily Telegraph about why Suli just didn’t fit the new culture he is driving.
Cleary also spoke about the challenge ahead for Luke Brooks with Josh Reynolds and Benji Marshall looking over his shoulder, while admitting Tui Lolohea is no guarantee of owning the No 1 jumper.
SULI’S EXIT
For years the Tigers have had problems relating to players playing by their own rules and undermining the coach but those days are gone.
Cleary didn’t want to go over what happened in the past but was direct about how it would be going forward.
“I can only say what is happening now,” Cleary said.
“We certainly have a set of standards and a level of respect that is necessary for what we are trying to build and the team we are trying to create and what all the others players here are doing in terms of creating a standard.”
He said Suli’s exit was a “long time coming to be honest”.
“We did our best but in the end I guess you can only lead a horse to water,” he said.
“This was not a one off.
“I won’t go into detail but I will be very clear that we did everything we could.
“That was in conjunction with his manager and his family.
“But in the end it just didn’t work out.
“I hope he finds what he is looking for.”
NEW HOPE
That aside, Cleary said the pre-season had been “really enjoyable” with a stack of new faces helping to create a whole new vibe.
Reynolds, Marshall, Russell Packer, Ben Matulino, Cleary said you just couldn’t fault any of their attitudes.
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New Wests Tigers recruit Josh Reynolds. Pic, Sam Ruttyn
“We have a lot of new players,” he said.
“The reality of that is it is going to take a bit of time for that to gel but they have all come here with a good attitude and they have trained hard.
“I guess your window of measurement comes when you are playing games so hopefully we can see that sort of stuff on the field.”
Cleary is still to announce who will replace Aaron Woods as captain and it sounds like that responsibility could be shared.
“Well, there is more to it than meets the eye, put it that way,” he joked.
“I don’t want to make a big deal about it but we will announce what we will do shortly.
“The truth is nothing has been announced to the group yet.”
NO PROMISES
Cleary is also keeping an open mind about several positions, including who takes James Tedesco’s spot.
Asked if Lolohea had the fullback spotted locked up, he responded: “There is a lot of positions that I honestly haven’t settled on.
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“The team that gets picked for the first round may not necessarily be the same that ends up being our best team by the end of the year.
Clearly is keeping an open mind on who replaces James Tedesco.
“It is fair to say that position (fullback) is one of those.
“It is very competitive and we have genuine depth.
“One of the first things I noticed when I got here last year is that we didn’t have (depth).
“Some players don’t necessarily want people breathing down their necks but it is actually good for them.
“And if you do get injuries hopefully it is not going to derail you.”
BROOKS, ‘GRUB’ & BENJI
There is plenty of expectation to see how Brooks goes this year with the experience of Reynolds and Marshall to call on.
“The goal for Luke is just to do his job for the team each week,” Cleary said.
“His role as a halfback is to control our team.
“He has certainly got ability.
“That is undoubted.
“Like many young halves they go from junior football into senior football and it is a totally different game for many of them.
“I think Luke has had to learn that on the job.
“The role we have him playing now is a little more oriented towards controlling it rather than steering it between his other halve.
“He has trained really well.
“He is one of those kids who has always had troubles with injuries from the data I have.
“But he is fit and strong and looking really good.
“He has certainly put himself in a good position to have a good season.
“Josh Reynolds is an easy one because he is who he is and what you see is what you get.
“He is very competitive and he is motivated and he does his best every day.
“I am looking forward to seeing him in a Wests Tigers jumper.”
As he is to having Marshall back.
“He just looks happy to be here,” Cleary said.
“For a guy that has done so much, not just in the game but at this club, it is a nice link to the past.
“But he is also really keen and positive about contributing as much as he can to the future.”
Tigers coach Ivan Cleary opens up about Moses Suli and club’s new culture
Paul Crawley, The Daily Telegraph
February 1, 2018 7:49pm
Subscriber only
IVAN Cleary has no regrets about Moses Suli’s stunning exit off the Wests Tigers bus, declaring “we did our best but in the end I guess you can only lead a horse to water”.
In the wake of the talented 19-year-old’s switch to Canterbury, Cleary has opened up to The Daily Telegraph about why Suli just didn’t fit the new culture he is driving.
Cleary also spoke about the challenge ahead for Luke Brooks with Josh Reynolds and Benji Marshall looking over his shoulder, while admitting Tui Lolohea is no guarantee of owning the No 1 jumper.
SULI’S EXIT
For years the Tigers have had problems relating to players playing by their own rules and undermining the coach but those days are gone.
Cleary didn’t want to go over what happened in the past but was direct about how it would be going forward.
“I can only say what is happening now,” Cleary said.
“We certainly have a set of standards and a level of respect that is necessary for what we are trying to build and the team we are trying to create and what all the others players here are doing in terms of creating a standard.”
He said Suli’s exit was a “long time coming to be honest”.
“We did our best but in the end I guess you can only lead a horse to water,” he said.
“This was not a one off.
“I won’t go into detail but I will be very clear that we did everything we could.
“That was in conjunction with his manager and his family.
“But in the end it just didn’t work out.
“I hope he finds what he is looking for.”
NEW HOPE
That aside, Cleary said the pre-season had been “really enjoyable” with a stack of new faces helping to create a whole new vibe.
Reynolds, Marshall, Russell Packer, Ben Matulino, Cleary said you just couldn’t fault any of their attitudes.
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New Wests Tigers recruit Josh Reynolds. Pic, Sam Ruttyn
“We have a lot of new players,” he said.
“The reality of that is it is going to take a bit of time for that to gel but they have all come here with a good attitude and they have trained hard.
“I guess your window of measurement comes when you are playing games so hopefully we can see that sort of stuff on the field.”
Cleary is still to announce who will replace Aaron Woods as captain and it sounds like that responsibility could be shared.
“Well, there is more to it than meets the eye, put it that way,” he joked.
“I don’t want to make a big deal about it but we will announce what we will do shortly.
“The truth is nothing has been announced to the group yet.”
NO PROMISES
Cleary is also keeping an open mind about several positions, including who takes James Tedesco’s spot.
Asked if Lolohea had the fullback spotted locked up, he responded: “There is a lot of positions that I honestly haven’t settled on.
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“The team that gets picked for the first round may not necessarily be the same that ends up being our best team by the end of the year.
Clearly is keeping an open mind on who replaces James Tedesco.
“It is fair to say that position (fullback) is one of those.
“It is very competitive and we have genuine depth.
“One of the first things I noticed when I got here last year is that we didn’t have (depth).
“Some players don’t necessarily want people breathing down their necks but it is actually good for them.
“And if you do get injuries hopefully it is not going to derail you.”
BROOKS, ‘GRUB’ & BENJI
There is plenty of expectation to see how Brooks goes this year with the experience of Reynolds and Marshall to call on.
“The goal for Luke is just to do his job for the team each week,” Cleary said.
“His role as a halfback is to control our team.
“He has certainly got ability.
“That is undoubted.
“Like many young halves they go from junior football into senior football and it is a totally different game for many of them.
“I think Luke has had to learn that on the job.
“The role we have him playing now is a little more oriented towards controlling it rather than steering it between his other halve.
“He has trained really well.
“He is one of those kids who has always had troubles with injuries from the data I have.
“But he is fit and strong and looking really good.
“He has certainly put himself in a good position to have a good season.
“Josh Reynolds is an easy one because he is who he is and what you see is what you get.
“He is very competitive and he is motivated and he does his best every day.
“I am looking forward to seeing him in a Wests Tigers jumper.”
As he is to having Marshall back.
“He just looks happy to be here,” Cleary said.
“For a guy that has done so much, not just in the game but at this club, it is a nice link to the past.
“But he is also really keen and positive about contributing as much as he can to the future.”
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Yes - a link there.
Alot resting about this new culture change and easy to embrace it while the footy is not on - but when it all comes down to it the teams with the best players are always going to be the most successful and I hate seeing talent go without replacing it - and I would hope that they are in the process of doing that. JAC had an attitude problem too I was led to believe
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If memory serves me right, the person who did sign him on that money went about three rounds in last year.
