My reasons to why Moltzen plays 7 for the rest of season:

[simonthetiger]

To me the difference is obvious.

When Moltz plays 7…..our left and right are uber dangerous.

Ol Lui tackles and throws the odd pass or two.

That is all. :mrgreen:

 

[southerntiger]

YOTT,

Dont worry I think we all know that.

The thread probably spiraled because of my obsession in opposing the 6/6 mantra.

But like Illek I think Lui gets judged a bit harshly. I also think Moltz gets treated quite favourably at 7.

 

[Illek]

Who's bagging Lui…...

It's a problem and a nice one to have,,,,, cause they're all 5/8th's....

What are you going to do punt Bunji....

Do you really need to ask? There have been at least 3 different threads calling for his sack or eventuating into that. He is injured anyway so who cares. Its not that I think Lui is a better player than moltzen (I'm more than happy to finally have some depth in the club), its just that I dont like to see players unfairly attacked.

This topis was not intended as a space to bag any player at all, only to discuss who is the most suitable halfback, and most importantly, why.

YOTT I wasn't commenting about Lui in relation to this thread, more in relation to southerns view point and giving it some context. I have no problems with this thread (hope you didnt take it that way) and I think its great that it has shown support for a player and also opened up some discussion on this topic.

 

[Geo]

Who's bagging Lui…...

It's a problem and a nice one to have,,,,, cause they're all 5/8th's....

What are you going to do punt Bunji....

Do you really need to ask? There have been at least 3 different threads calling for his sack or eventuating into that. He is injured anyway so who cares. Its not that I think Lui is a better player than moltzen (I'm more than happy to finally have some depth in the club), its just that I dont like to see players unfairly attacked.

I agree with that…I was refering to this thread...sorry mate,,,,,

Lui has plenty of development yet.....class kid....

My main point is Moltz/Marshall combo given time to develop will be devastating....It's just my feeling....who would have thought the Wests Tigers would have these options in the halves.....It's a good thing....

 

[southerntiger]

To me the difference is obvious.

When Moltz plays 7…..our left and right are uber dangerous.

Ol Lui tackles and throws the odd pass or two.

That is all. :mrgreen:

Simon,

Dont forget that Moltz had the benefit of almost a season in grade before he was thrown in the 7\. Moltz was basically part of the leadership team before he ever played 7.

There is a lot to like about Lui in terms of potential.

 

[Illek]

YOTT,

Dont worry I think we all know that.

The thread probably spiraled because of my obsession in opposing the 6/6 mantra.

But like Illek I think Lui gets judged a bit harshly. I also think Moltz gets treated quite favourably at 7.

Yeah i probably contributed to this as well….

 

[Year_of_the_Tiger]

ST are we going to give Lui a season to prove himself? No seriously, Lui is a talent but as I think you have suggested he is not the man for the now …?

 

[simonthetiger]

To me the difference is obvious.

When Moltz plays 7…..our left and right are uber dangerous.

Ol Lui tackles and throws the odd pass or two.

That is all. :mrgreen:

Simon,

Dont forget that Moltz had the benefit of almost a season in grade before he was thrown in the 7\. Moltz was basically part of the leadership team before he ever played 7.

There is a lot to like about Lui in terms of potential.

Im sorry but I just dont rate Lui.

 

[Geo]

I just want to see a reasoned (gloat: 6 point :wink: ) argument for another player … it just wont happen.

2007…Morris/Fulton...I think it was 8 in a row with a Bye....

 

[Illek]

I just want to see a reasoned (gloat: 6 point :wink: ) argument for another player … it just wont happen.

2007…Morris/Fulton...I think it was 8 in a row with a Bye....

hahaha can't argue against quality like that pairing, especially with stats better than marshall/moltzen, nice post

 

[Year_of_the_Tiger]

Lui was bound to pop up here guys. The depth is great for sure but we have to choose one way early in the season. The parra game really cemented for me that Moltz is our man at 7 at the moment, if not for this year. Incongruence is not a good thing in anything, let alone footy

 

[Year_of_the_Tiger]

I just want to see a reasoned (gloat: 6 point :wink: ) argument for another player … it just wont happen.

2007…Morris/Fulton...I think it was 8 in a row with a Bye....

Oh Sh$t 😱pen_mouth:
:laughing:

 

[southerntiger]

Im sorry but I just dont rate Lui.

Interesting. I think you will be proven wrong in the long term.

 

[southerntiger]

ST are we going to give Lui a season to prove himself? No seriously, Lui is a talent but as I think you have suggested he is not the man for the now …?

Thats a possible interpretation. To be honest, I havent made a decision yet. But I do like Lui's long kicking game.

 

[simonthetiger]

Im sorry but I just dont rate Lui.

Interesting. I think you will be proven wrong in the long term.

Of course I disagree…..but nothing would make me happier to be totally off with this one.

I will tell you one bloke I got it wrong with....ol Brycie Gibbs.

I couldnt stand a bar off him,but last year and now this year he has matured into one hell of a front rower.

Happy to have gotten that one wrong and Im 100% behind him.

 

[southerntiger]

Im sorry but I just dont rate Lui.

Interesting. I think you will be proven wrong in the long term.

Of course I disagree…..but nothing would make me happier to be totally off with this one.

I will tell you one bloke I got it wrong with....ol Brycie Gibbs.

I couldnt stand a bar off him,but last year and now this year he has matured into one hell of a front rower.

Happy to have gotten that one wrong and Im 100% behind him.

I got Gbbsy wrong too. But I still say we were right about him for 5 seasons. He really wasnt first grade quality until last year.

There is something about Lui. Solid passing game, good long kicking game and great instincts. I would play him off the bench for now. He could be very dangerous as that triangle player Sheens loves.

For **Ron**, you say that Lui wouldnt have made that kick. You seem to forget he made a very similar play last last year (against the Sharks I think)

 

[REHAB]

We have to take into consideration 6/6, i mean if benji was injury plagued we would all be bringing up how many games we won/lost with/without him.

This is a valid point, in my opinion if we are performing better as a team and are winning more with him at half, then why not give him the job. If we had a halfback with a 1/6 record we would all be calling for him to be dropped, so why cant we use this point to keep him there.

 

[bonstonker]

Who's bagging Lui…...

It's a problem and a nice one to have,,,,, cause they're all 5/8th's....

What are you going to do punt Bunji....

why would you punt benji,he is our halfback.
there is a reason the halfback is called the general.

as far as moltzen and the win loss record.maybe it has more to do with him not being our fullback.
i think ryan was better than him last night and 3 levels higher than what moltzen can do at fullback.
last year gallant was better than moltzen at fullback.
but with all win loss ratios,they need time to show the real story and even then there are still plenty of other factors when you are playing a TEAM sport.

moltzen at this stage is a good running 5/8 with a mediocre kicking game.
he is good at running through gaps than putting players through holes.
moltzen mind tends to drift out of games that worries me.i didn't like his option of passing to ellis on the last when we were up 8-0.i didn't like his pass to rhino when up 12-0 against the roosters.
he obviously has a great relationship with benji,and that is where his real value is.

lui on the other hand has shown ability running and passing.his kicking game is much better than moltzen.
what lui doesn't have is the connection with benji like moltzen has.
and that is to be expected with only one off season in the tim sheens system.
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i don't think moltzen has played anywhere near as good as it is being made out to be.and lui has been the opposite.
tends to happen alot on forums.
tim moving to the halves allows us to strengthen at fullback while still getting consistent form in the halves.

i am happy with both players form partnering benji.

 

[ron_burgandy]

i have one reason

1)because HE IS A HALFBACK

hear that sheensy

He's a 5/8th actually…but who cares...

Moltzen @7.....yeah baby....

i thought he played junior kangaroos as a half back, also the first season of under 20s as a halfback before being moved to fullback, also i thought ayshford played 5/8th a fair bit in U20s as well

was i just imagining all this

 

[ron_burgandy]

@ southerntiger and bonstonker

i fail to see what you guys are talking about with lui in his 6 games in the halves, hes really done nothing but just pass the ball, his brilliant kicking game everyone talks up is no where to be seen

I dont know how both of you can say after watching both of them in the halves for 6 games each that lui brings more to the table then moltzen