NRL Refs

[BalmainBoy67]

The milking will be out of control this week now Annesley has directed all contact to the head immediate bin

Yep, there'll be more milking than a dairy farm.
While I'm all for player safety, the also need to scrutinise as hard, the players who milk BS penalties.
I'm sure some teams will be incorporating these grubby tactics in their training sessions 🙄

 

[Halbrowne61]

Yep, there'll be more milking than a dairy farm.
While I'm all for player safety, the also need to scrutinise as hard, the players who milk BS penalties.
I'm sure some teams will be incorporating these grubby tactics in their training sessions 🙄

Going to put even more pressure and scrutiny on the bunker. Plenty of discussions upcoming.

 

[Telltails]

Worst time ever to be playing the Broncos up there with this crackdown.
The six again rule causes fatigue in D and thats what will ultimately cause errors. They get a few of these against plus any possible sin bins on the back of a parochial crowd - nightmare

 

[Needaname]

💯 he should have scored that . The games would have been over .

He tried to plant it when upright. They were working hard to pull him back, he didn’t really have a good look in my opinion and should of held the ball.

 

[Lestronge]

He tried to plant it when upright. They were working hard to pull him back, he didn’t really have a good look in my opinion and should have held the ball.

Yep . I agree . I know I’ve been highly critical of the refs , but this is the refs thread so it’s not really a place for pragmatism . In saying that . We lost the game , we weren’t beaten . Even though we did lose the field position battle .
We also didn’t lose that because of coaching lol . So I heard on a podcast today …. Or Jahrome Luai not being a halfback …. Spare me ….
It was purely won and lost in the ruck . We managed to get momentum for 20 minutes , and we laid on what should have been 4 tries .
I felt like when they brought Barnett and JFH back on , it changed the momentum .
In the ebb and flow of the game , we didn’t take advantage of our opportunities .
In saying all of that though a huge contributor to our lack of opportunities was the other 60 mins of the game .
To me the refs are far focused ons stupid shit like “hands on the ball” or “jersey tugging” , basically little cheats guys do in the field during the game , than actual penalties , like lying in the ruck , or third man in . Well at least the ref and hunker ref did on Sunday .
You watch we will adapt this weekend and the new ref will have a wholly completely different interpretation of what constitutes a penalty . This what I get the shits about . Because neither “HAS” to be called a penalty . They could just let it slide and see how the game plays out .
I also think they watch video on the teams they are in charge of each week and form bias’ prior to the games starting. I understand being aware of the shenanigans teams will do out there , but having a preconceived idea to “gotcha” penalties is just bullshit .

 

[Tucker]

Worst time ever to be playing the Broncos up there with this crackdown.
The six again rule causes fatigue in D and thats what will ultimately cause errors. They get a few of these against plus any possible sin bins on the back of a parochial crowd - nightmare

Yeah. I fear an absolute bloodbath is on its way.

 

[weststigers]

This circus has been tried before and it was a disaster. Players being sin binned for minimal contact had most games seeing sin bins until they relaxed things a bit.

10 minutes is a big punishment for such a discretionary infringement.

On the flip side, 15 mins is such a big period to be without a player that eventually passes an HIA. If they are good to go, surely that is apparent in a much quicker time frame.

I think the hard part of all this is, say, both teams give away a high tackle penalty. One is given within kicking distance and one is given 20m out from your try line, the punishment to one team is harsher because it cost you 2 points simply because of where the infringement occurred.

Perhaps a suitable punishment is a 1 or 2 point penalty for each high shot? I can see that having issues too because of the ref discretion element, but it would solve going back 3 plays when the bunker reviews something. Just play on and add the points.

 

[Kelce68]

No, what wears thin, is reading week after week, year after year that this club is where it is as the NRL hate us and cheat us.
It is BS from weak minded people who aren’t even really watching the game.

Agree.

But complaints about officiating are on a wide spectrum and what you're referring to is the extreme, conspiracy end of the discussion.

There is a place to discuss officiating, its consistency and/or lack of accuracy and how that may have advantaged/disadvantaged a team in any particular game.

 

[426Tlgerland]

This circus has been tried before and it was a disaster. Players being sin binned for minimal contact had most games seeing sin bins until they relaxed things a bit.

10 minutes is a big punishment for such a discretionary infringement.

On the flip side, 15 mins is such a big period to be without a player that eventually passes an HIA. If they are good to go, surely that is apparent in a much quicker time frame.

I think the hard part of all this is, say, both teams give away a high tackle penalty. One is given within kicking distance and one is given 20m out from your try line, the punishment to one team is harsher because it cost you 2 points simply because of where the infringement occurred.

Perhaps a suitable punishment is a 1 or 2 point penalty for each high shot? I can see that having issues too because of the ref discretion element, but it would solve going back 3 plays when the bunker reviews something. Just play on and add the points.

I fear at least 12 sin bins coming up over the weekend , milking out of control , .
One thing that may work in our favour is broncos coach last words will be don’t come back in hear if you lose today , Broncos will come out very very hard and fast , guys like Ricky and Stags get very agresive and could cost them penalties , our guys need to stay down if hit high , and yes it’s milking but I said high , and every coach will tell every player if a finger hits your head or face lay down , a ref can’t say your not injured and if it is a hard high shot add some wincing and rolling around plenty will be doing it , that warriors fullback showed how it’s done last week

 

[TieDye]

No, what wears thin, is reading week after week, year after year that this club is where it is as the NRL hate us and cheat us.
It is BS from weak minded people who aren’t even really watching the game.

They don’t hate or cheat us but they more regularly make poor decisions that impact the outcome/s of our games. You and I can both watch closely against Brisbane what happens when we’re not getting fleeced.

It’s statistically proven that we’ve currently received the most apologies from Annesley, meaning that he’s acknowledging his referee in charge of that game - always after it has already cost us - has made poor decisions with reference to the rules clearly lined out as part of his job description.

He couldn’t and would not apologise if these instances didn’t clearly affect the outcome of said game…

I don’t know why you persistently state other people are weak-minded for seeing what are obvious trends which I’ve backed up to you several times and had no concise response proving that we (majority here) are all conspiracy theorists. It’s pathetic and I’ll always expect better from someone who is ex-military.

 

[TieDye]

Agree.

But complaints about officiating are on a wide spectrum and what you're referring to is the extreme, conspiracy end of the discussion.

There is a place to discuss officiating, its consistency and/or lack of accuracy and how that may have advantaged/disadvantaged a team in any particular game.

You can agree but you cannot categorically state that the other side of this debate is wrong, or that we’re saying: “they cheated us”, “woe is me”, etc.

To do so is dismissive to our own massive supporter base who clearly feel there’s an issue and actively disregards several clear instances where poor refereeing and subsequent doubling down from the turkeys running this bush comp have directly cost us competition points.

I’m glad you agree that we are weak-minded though mate, honestly expected better from you too.

 

[Kelce68]

You can agree but you cannot categorically state that the other side of this debate is wrong, or that we’re saying: “they cheated us”, “woe is me”, etc.

To do so is dismissive to our own massive supporter base who clearly feel there’s an issue and actively disregards several clear instances where poor refereeing and subsequent doubling down from the turkeys running this bush comp have directly cost us competition points.

I’m glad you agree that we are weak-minded though mate, honestly expected better from you too.

Did you mean to respond to me?

Go back.

I, very specifically, didn't highlight that part. I was deliberate in what I highlighted, which was not that.

'To do so is dismissive to our own massive supporter base who clearly feel there’s an issue and actively disregards several clear instances where poor refereeing and subsequent doubling down from the turkeys running this bush comp have directly cost us competition points.'

I didn't dismiss anything.

And that wasn't the point others were making.

The 'extreme' views are the conspiracy theories around the 'NRL out to get us'. THAT is unverifiable BS, despite how our feelings make us feel post a tough loss. I'm not immune to those feelings, but I prefer to err on the side of common sense rather than an emotive response.

NO ONE, much less me, argued that poor refereeing has not directly cost us points.

You've really just placed a value judgement on me based upon my post, but you completely missed the points that I was making mate.

 

[Tucker]

They don’t hate or cheat us but they more regularly make poor decisions that impact the outcome/s of our games. You and I can both watch closely against Brisbane what happens when we’re not getting fleeced.

It’s statistically proven that we’ve currently received the most apologies from Annesley, meaning that he’s acknowledging his referee in charge of that game - always after it has already cost us - has made poor decisions with reference to the rules clearly lined out as part of his job description.

He couldn’t and would not apologise if these instances didn’t clearly affect the outcome of said game…

I don’t know why you persistently state other people are weak-minded for seeing what are obvious trends which I’ve backed up to you several times and had no concise response proving that we (majority here) are all conspiracy theorists. It’s pathetic and I’ll always expect better from someone who is ex-military.

I’ll tell you exactly why.
I’m made of sterner stuff than a lot on here. I don’t make excuses and I don’t whinge and whine about raw deals. The ref made a poor decision? SO FKING WHAT? Get on with it and cease your sulking.

 

[TieDye]

I’ll tell you exactly why.
I’m made of sterner stuff than a lot on here. I don’t make excuses and I don’t whinge and whine about raw deals. The ref made a poor decision? SO FKING WHAT? Get on with it and cease your sulking.

That’s much more the kind of response I would have been expecting and am thankful you’ve come around, just as you know we’re not weak minded… agreed that I’d love to not worry about referee performance !

 

[Lestronge]

I’ll tell you exactly why.
I’m made of sterner stuff than a lot on here. I don’t make excuses and I don’t whinge and whine about raw deals. The ref made a poor decision? SO FKING WHAT? Get on with it and cease your sulking.

What a load of self serving bullshit !!!
You litterally drop your bundle and go straight to abuse anytime someone questions you . Just because your reaction is aggressive instead of passive , doesn’t make any less “woe is me” . It’s the same emotion that fuels both reactions . It’s just fight or flight that changes .
The fact you’re in that emotional state in the first place makes you just like everyone else dum dum .
Judt because you didn’t get that way about your second team doesn’t make you any better .
And for anyone on here getting lectured by this guy. The tigers are his second team . He’s a cowboys supporter .

 

[TieDye]

Did you mean to respond to me?

Go back.

I, very specifically, didn't highlight that part. I was deliberate in what I highlighted, which was not that.

'To do so is dismissive to our own massive supporter base who clearly feel there’s an issue and actively disregards several clear instances where poor refereeing and subsequent doubling down from the turkeys running this bush comp have directly cost us competition points.'

I didn't dismiss anything.

And that wasn't the point others were making.

The 'extreme' views are the conspiracy theories around the 'NRL out to get us'. THAT is unverifiable BS, despite how our feelings make us feel post a tough loss. I'm not immune to those feelings, but I prefer to err on the side of common sense rather than an emotive response.

NO ONE, much less me, argued that poor refereeing has not directly cost us points.

You've really just placed a value judgement on me based upon my post, but you completely missed the points that I was making mate.

Willing to be wrong and I’m able to see here (above) that you definitely understand what the common consensus around refs is, around here… however, I did mean to respond to you because your initial response to Tucker was one of general agreement if I’m not mistaken.

It’s a generalisation and a judgement call putting the ‘weak minded’ label on as large a public forum as this, so your point there heavily undermines itself.

The main reason I called both posts out is that I stand firmly by the fact nobody who has a reasonable knowledge of Rugby League on here is saying that “the refs hate us” and even to mention it in the same breath as “conspiracy” seems like hyperbole.

Just had me feeling obligated to call that out and as I’ve shown the understanding and time to recognise your valid argument, hopefully you see my respect.

 

[Lestronge]

Did you mean to respond to me?

Go back.

I, very specifically, didn't highlight that part. I was deliberate in what I highlighted, which was not that.

'To do so is dismissive to our own massive supporter base who clearly feel there’s an issue and actively disregards several clear instances where poor refereeing and subsequent doubling down from the turkeys running this bush comp have directly cost us competition points.'

I didn't dismiss anything.

And that wasn't the point others were making.

The 'extreme' views are the conspiracy theories around the 'NRL out to get us'. THAT is unverifiable BS, despite how our feelings make us feel post a tough loss. I'm not immune to those feelings, but I prefer to err on the side of common sense rather than an emotive response.

NO ONE, much less me, argued that poor refereeing has not directly cost us points.

You've really just placed a value judgement on me based upon my post, but you completely missed the points that I was making mate.

The issue is certain people are deliberately conflating the fact people are upset about some bad decisions , at key moments in the game , with the “refs are out to get us” conspiracy bullshit .
To what agenda … well I think it’s pretty obvious . To stir people up !
Everybody who’s watched any football whatsoever can see we threw that game away by not icing our opportunities when we were presented them .
The reason we lost was because of this .
The ref being poor is a separate issue altogether, and should be discussed as such .

 

[Tucker]

That’s much more the kind of response I would have been expecting and am thankful you’ve come around, just as you know we’re not weak minded… agreed that I’d love to not worry about referee performance !

Do you truly think the ref caused us to lose on Sunday? Ill tell you now that there are more than plenty on here that do.

 

[gregjm87]

They don’t hate or cheat us but they more regularly make poor decisions that impact the outcome/s of our games. You and I can both watch closely against Brisbane what happens when we’re not getting fleeced.

It’s statistically proven that we’ve currently received the most apologies from Annesley, meaning that he’s acknowledging his referee in charge of that game - always after it has already cost us - has made poor decisions with reference to the rules clearly lined out as part of his job description.

He couldn’t and would not apologise if these instances didn’t clearly affect the outcome of said game…

I don’t know why you persistently state other people are weak-minded for seeing what are obvious trends which I’ve backed up to you several times and had no concise response proving that we (majority here) are all conspiracy theorists. It’s pathetic and I’ll always expect better from someone who is ex-military.

I hate the 'refs fault'ing as much as Tucker but i'd agree that they do more regularly impact the results in our games than others. But I'd explain this by saying I don't think we get noticeably more wrong calls against us than other teams. I think it is that for years we have had zero resilience to poor decisions and needed more than our fair share of decisions to go our way to win a game. When Panthers of the last few years are winning by 20 regardless of refereeing standard there isn't the need to apologise.

 

[Lestronge]

I hate the 'refs fault'ing as much as Tucker but i'd agree that they do more regularly impact the results in our games than others. But I'd explain this by saying I don't think we get noticeably more wrong calls against us than other teams. I think it is that for years we have had zero resilience to poor decisions and needed more than our fair share of decisions to go our way to win a game. When Panthers of the last few years are winning by 20 regardless of refereeing standard there isn't the need to apologise.

We defended our line multiple times for 3-4 sets . I think that’s an outdated narrative .
2 soft tries through the middle , and 2 out wide , down an edge that had every single starter from the previous week either out completely , or nursing their shoulder .
I thought the guys showed a bunch of resilience . I don’t understand why it’s soo hard for you guys to see the criticism of the refs has zero to do with the result .
You’re the ones mixing the two.