NSW Cup Team List: Round 8 v St George

[Geo]

Good weekend for Wests to have the BYE..

Level 3 Covid protocols mean NRL players can not play for their feeder teams this weekend..

 

[mike]

Agree with @mike. He isn't bagging the kid at all. Think it is just a case of quality over quantity. Don't think we'd be doing him a favour just leaving him on the field not being able to produce quality. Having Liddle on the bench is very timely and he will shine.

Doesn't mean Jake should lose his spot over one game where he wasn't amazing. Dropping the kid might hurt his confidence and it isn't deserved - happy for him to be given breaks throughout a game, I think it's a good strategy.

Liddle should come in and do well off the bench if he utilises his running game, it's something Madge mentioned in his press conference that he was happy Jacob was running the footy more again because it's his best weapon

He’s not losing his spot, he’s being rested. You need to manage these young blokes into the NRL otherwise you will burn them out before they start.

Call it whatever you want, **he'll see it as being dropped**. I don't see other good rookies getting rested at other teams if they're playing well enough. Best way for him to adjust to NRL is by playing NRL, start him and use Liddle off the bench to manage his minutes no need to drop him, it also works better strategically.

So you know how he thinks is now. OK.

What do you think a player will see it as? No ones gonna be happy about getting demoted. He didn't even look fatigued when he played until close to the end of the game and then he was taken off, and I'm sure the same will happen this week. That's how you manage a rookie

It’s not a demotion. It’s how you manage them. He’s debut has gone as about as I expected. Great first game, 2nd OK. Third not so great. If he keeps going down that trend he won’t be in the NRL for long. It’s better to rest him now and let him refreshen up and then have a blinder upon his return.

 

[JC99]

Agree with @mike. He isn't bagging the kid at all. Think it is just a case of quality over quantity. Don't think we'd be doing him a favour just leaving him on the field not being able to produce quality. Having Liddle on the bench is very timely and he will shine.

Doesn't mean Jake should lose his spot over one game where he wasn't amazing. Dropping the kid might hurt his confidence and it isn't deserved - happy for him to be given breaks throughout a game, I think it's a good strategy.

Liddle should come in and do well off the bench if he utilises his running game, it's something Madge mentioned in his press conference that he was happy Jacob was running the footy more again because it's his best weapon

He’s not losing his spot, he’s being rested. You need to manage these young blokes into the NRL otherwise you will burn them out before they start.

Call it whatever you want, **he'll see it as being dropped**. I don't see other good rookies getting rested at other teams if they're playing well enough. Best way for him to adjust to NRL is by playing NRL, start him and use Liddle off the bench to manage his minutes no need to drop him, it also works better strategically.

So you know how he thinks is now. OK.

What do you think a player will see it as? No ones gonna be happy about getting demoted. He didn't even look fatigued when he played until close to the end of the game and then he was taken off, and I'm sure the same will happen this week. That's how you manage a rookie

It’s not a demotion. It’s how you manage them. He’s debut has gone as about as I expected. Great first game, 2nd OK. Third not so great. If he keeps going down that trend he won’t be in the NRL for long. It’s better to rest him now and let him refreshen up and then have a blinder upon his return.

Where did you get the idea that he's fatigued from? He doesn't need to refresh, he's doing fine he needs to keep playing and keep working on his game and clearly the coach agrees. Sure let's not play him 80 minutes every week but there's literally no reason not to play him

With Mbye at centre we can't drop him anyway as Liddle has struggled with 80 minutes in first grade himself.

 

[mike]

Agree with @mike. He isn't bagging the kid at all. Think it is just a case of quality over quantity. Don't think we'd be doing him a favour just leaving him on the field not being able to produce quality. Having Liddle on the bench is very timely and he will shine.

Doesn't mean Jake should lose his spot over one game where he wasn't amazing. Dropping the kid might hurt his confidence and it isn't deserved - happy for him to be given breaks throughout a game, I think it's a good strategy.

Liddle should come in and do well off the bench if he utilises his running game, it's something Madge mentioned in his press conference that he was happy Jacob was running the footy more again because it's his best weapon

He’s not losing his spot, he’s being rested. You need to manage these young blokes into the NRL otherwise you will burn them out before they start.

Call it whatever you want, **he'll see it as being dropped**. I don't see other good rookies getting rested at other teams if they're playing well enough. Best way for him to adjust to NRL is by playing NRL, start him and use Liddle off the bench to manage his minutes no need to drop him, it also works better strategically.

So you know how he thinks is now. OK.

What do you think a player will see it as? No ones gonna be happy about getting demoted. He didn't even look fatigued when he played until close to the end of the game and then he was taken off, and I'm sure the same will happen this week. That's how you manage a rookie

It’s not a demotion. It’s how you manage them. He’s debut has gone as about as I expected. Great first game, 2nd OK. Third not so great. If he keeps going down that trend he won’t be in the NRL for long. It’s better to rest him now and let him refreshen up and then have a blinder upon his return.

Where did you get the idea that he's fatigued from? He doesn't need to refresh, he's doing fine he needs to keep playing and keep working on his game and clearly the coach agrees. Sure let's not play him 80 minutes every week but there's literally no reason not to play him

With Mbye at centre we can't drop him anyway as Liddle has struggled with 80 minutes in first grade himself.

Watch his last game. He gave very sloppy service from dummy half.

 

[JC99]

Agree with @mike. He isn't bagging the kid at all. Think it is just a case of quality over quantity. Don't think we'd be doing him a favour just leaving him on the field not being able to produce quality. Having Liddle on the bench is very timely and he will shine.

Doesn't mean Jake should lose his spot over one game where he wasn't amazing. Dropping the kid might hurt his confidence and it isn't deserved - happy for him to be given breaks throughout a game, I think it's a good strategy.

Liddle should come in and do well off the bench if he utilises his running game, it's something Madge mentioned in his press conference that he was happy Jacob was running the footy more again because it's his best weapon

He’s not losing his spot, he’s being rested. You need to manage these young blokes into the NRL otherwise you will burn them out before they start.

Call it whatever you want, **he'll see it as being dropped**. I don't see other good rookies getting rested at other teams if they're playing well enough. Best way for him to adjust to NRL is by playing NRL, start him and use Liddle off the bench to manage his minutes no need to drop him, it also works better strategically.

So you know how he thinks is now. OK.

What do you think a player will see it as? No ones gonna be happy about getting demoted. He didn't even look fatigued when he played until close to the end of the game and then he was taken off, and I'm sure the same will happen this week. That's how you manage a rookie

It’s not a demotion. It’s how you manage them. He’s debut has gone as about as I expected. Great first game, 2nd OK. Third not so great. If he keeps going down that trend he won’t be in the NRL for long. It’s better to rest him now and let him refreshen up and then have a blinder upon his return.

Where did you get the idea that he's fatigued from? He doesn't need to refresh, he's doing fine he needs to keep playing and keep working on his game and clearly the coach agrees. Sure let's not play him 80 minutes every week but there's literally no reason not to play him

With Mbye at centre we can't drop him anyway as Liddle has struggled with 80 minutes in first grade himself.

Watch his last game. He gave very sloppy service from dummy half.

I watched it twice, he threw a few poor ones but not as bad as you make it out, his overall performance was fine. Only one way for him to improve and sitting on the sideline ain't it

 

[mike]

Agree with @mike. He isn't bagging the kid at all. Think it is just a case of quality over quantity. Don't think we'd be doing him a favour just leaving him on the field not being able to produce quality. Having Liddle on the bench is very timely and he will shine.

Doesn't mean Jake should lose his spot over one game where he wasn't amazing. Dropping the kid might hurt his confidence and it isn't deserved - happy for him to be given breaks throughout a game, I think it's a good strategy.

Liddle should come in and do well off the bench if he utilises his running game, it's something Madge mentioned in his press conference that he was happy Jacob was running the footy more again because it's his best weapon

He’s not losing his spot, he’s being rested. You need to manage these young blokes into the NRL otherwise you will burn them out before they start.

Call it whatever you want, **he'll see it as being dropped**. I don't see other good rookies getting rested at other teams if they're playing well enough. Best way for him to adjust to NRL is by playing NRL, start him and use Liddle off the bench to manage his minutes no need to drop him, it also works better strategically.

So you know how he thinks is now. OK.

What do you think a player will see it as? No ones gonna be happy about getting demoted. He didn't even look fatigued when he played until close to the end of the game and then he was taken off, and I'm sure the same will happen this week. That's how you manage a rookie

It’s not a demotion. It’s how you manage them. He’s debut has gone as about as I expected. Great first game, 2nd OK. Third not so great. If he keeps going down that trend he won’t be in the NRL for long. It’s better to rest him now and let him refreshen up and then have a blinder upon his return.

Where did you get the idea that he's fatigued from? He doesn't need to refresh, he's doing fine he needs to keep playing and keep working on his game and clearly the coach agrees. Sure let's not play him 80 minutes every week but there's literally no reason not to play him

With Mbye at centre we can't drop him anyway as Liddle has struggled with 80 minutes in first grade himself.

Watch his last game. He gave very sloppy service from dummy half.

I watched it twice, he threw a few poor ones but not as bad as you make it out, his overall performance was fine. Only one way for him to improve and sitting on the sideline ain't it

A sure way to ensure he has a short NRL career is to force him to play week after week without a chance to recover and regroup. He is young and needs to brought into the weekly grind gradually.

 

[JC99]

Agree with @mike. He isn't bagging the kid at all. Think it is just a case of quality over quantity. Don't think we'd be doing him a favour just leaving him on the field not being able to produce quality. Having Liddle on the bench is very timely and he will shine.

Doesn't mean Jake should lose his spot over one game where he wasn't amazing. Dropping the kid might hurt his confidence and it isn't deserved - happy for him to be given breaks throughout a game, I think it's a good strategy.

Liddle should come in and do well off the bench if he utilises his running game, it's something Madge mentioned in his press conference that he was happy Jacob was running the footy more again because it's his best weapon

He’s not losing his spot, he’s being rested. You need to manage these young blokes into the NRL otherwise you will burn them out before they start.

Call it whatever you want, **he'll see it as being dropped**. I don't see other good rookies getting rested at other teams if they're playing well enough. Best way for him to adjust to NRL is by playing NRL, start him and use Liddle off the bench to manage his minutes no need to drop him, it also works better strategically.

So you know how he thinks is now. OK.

What do you think a player will see it as? No ones gonna be happy about getting demoted. He didn't even look fatigued when he played until close to the end of the game and then he was taken off, and I'm sure the same will happen this week. That's how you manage a rookie

It’s not a demotion. It’s how you manage them. He’s debut has gone as about as I expected. Great first game, 2nd OK. Third not so great. If he keeps going down that trend he won’t be in the NRL for long. It’s better to rest him now and let him refreshen up and then have a blinder upon his return.

Where did you get the idea that he's fatigued from? He doesn't need to refresh, he's doing fine he needs to keep playing and keep working on his game and clearly the coach agrees. Sure let's not play him 80 minutes every week but there's literally no reason not to play him

With Mbye at centre we can't drop him anyway as Liddle has struggled with 80 minutes in first grade himself.

Watch his last game. He gave very sloppy service from dummy half.

I watched it twice, he threw a few poor ones but not as bad as you make it out, his overall performance was fine. Only one way for him to improve and sitting on the sideline ain't it

A sure way to ensure he has a short NRL career is to force him to play week after week without a chance to recover and regroup. He is young and needs to brought into the weekly grind gradually.

Again what rookies do you see teams do that with? Especially if they're in a position that's very limited at their club. Penrith haven't done it with Burton. Manly haven't done it with Schuster. Should we give Laurie a break because he's a rookie?

If they're playing well enough they keep their spot, the club would be ensuring they do extra recovery and work with the physios etc seeing as he's still young and developing. The kid is fine, he's handled himself fine out there and clearly the club sees that too. Stop worrying so much I'm sure the professionals know what they're doing!

 

[mike]

Agree with @mike. He isn't bagging the kid at all. Think it is just a case of quality over quantity. Don't think we'd be doing him a favour just leaving him on the field not being able to produce quality. Having Liddle on the bench is very timely and he will shine.

Doesn't mean Jake should lose his spot over one game where he wasn't amazing. Dropping the kid might hurt his confidence and it isn't deserved - happy for him to be given breaks throughout a game, I think it's a good strategy.

Liddle should come in and do well off the bench if he utilises his running game, it's something Madge mentioned in his press conference that he was happy Jacob was running the footy more again because it's his best weapon

He’s not losing his spot, he’s being rested. You need to manage these young blokes into the NRL otherwise you will burn them out before they start.

Call it whatever you want, **he'll see it as being dropped**. I don't see other good rookies getting rested at other teams if they're playing well enough. Best way for him to adjust to NRL is by playing NRL, start him and use Liddle off the bench to manage his minutes no need to drop him, it also works better strategically.

So you know how he thinks is now. OK.

What do you think a player will see it as? No ones gonna be happy about getting demoted. He didn't even look fatigued when he played until close to the end of the game and then he was taken off, and I'm sure the same will happen this week. That's how you manage a rookie

It’s not a demotion. It’s how you manage them. He’s debut has gone as about as I expected. Great first game, 2nd OK. Third not so great. If he keeps going down that trend he won’t be in the NRL for long. It’s better to rest him now and let him refreshen up and then have a blinder upon his return.

Where did you get the idea that he's fatigued from? He doesn't need to refresh, he's doing fine he needs to keep playing and keep working on his game and clearly the coach agrees. Sure let's not play him 80 minutes every week but there's literally no reason not to play him

With Mbye at centre we can't drop him anyway as Liddle has struggled with 80 minutes in first grade himself.

Watch his last game. He gave very sloppy service from dummy half.

I watched it twice, he threw a few poor ones but not as bad as you make it out, his overall performance was fine. Only one way for him to improve and sitting on the sideline ain't it

A sure way to ensure he has a short NRL career is to force him to play week after week without a chance to recover and regroup. He is young and needs to brought into the weekly grind gradually.

Again what rookies do you see teams do that with? Especially if they're in a position that's very limited at their club. Penrith haven't done it with Burton. Manly haven't done it with Schuster. Should we give Laurie a break because he's a rookie?

If they're playing well enough they keep their spot, the club would be ensuring they do extra recovery and work with the physios etc seeing as he's still young and developing. The kid is fine, he's handled himself fine out there and clearly the club sees that too. Stop worrying so much I'm sure the professionals know what they're doing!

But he hasn’t handled himself fine. Started off terrific and has gone backwards each game since until the last round he was terrible. That you have to manage to ensure he has a long career.

 

[JC99]

Agree with @mike. He isn't bagging the kid at all. Think it is just a case of quality over quantity. Don't think we'd be doing him a favour just leaving him on the field not being able to produce quality. Having Liddle on the bench is very timely and he will shine.

Doesn't mean Jake should lose his spot over one game where he wasn't amazing. Dropping the kid might hurt his confidence and it isn't deserved - happy for him to be given breaks throughout a game, I think it's a good strategy.

Liddle should come in and do well off the bench if he utilises his running game, it's something Madge mentioned in his press conference that he was happy Jacob was running the footy more again because it's his best weapon

He’s not losing his spot, he’s being rested. You need to manage these young blokes into the NRL otherwise you will burn them out before they start.

Call it whatever you want, **he'll see it as being dropped**. I don't see other good rookies getting rested at other teams if they're playing well enough. Best way for him to adjust to NRL is by playing NRL, start him and use Liddle off the bench to manage his minutes no need to drop him, it also works better strategically.

So you know how he thinks is now. OK.

What do you think a player will see it as? No ones gonna be happy about getting demoted. He didn't even look fatigued when he played until close to the end of the game and then he was taken off, and I'm sure the same will happen this week. That's how you manage a rookie

It’s not a demotion. It’s how you manage them. He’s debut has gone as about as I expected. Great first game, 2nd OK. Third not so great. If he keeps going down that trend he won’t be in the NRL for long. It’s better to rest him now and let him refreshen up and then have a blinder upon his return.

Where did you get the idea that he's fatigued from? He doesn't need to refresh, he's doing fine he needs to keep playing and keep working on his game and clearly the coach agrees. Sure let's not play him 80 minutes every week but there's literally no reason not to play him

With Mbye at centre we can't drop him anyway as Liddle has struggled with 80 minutes in first grade himself.

Watch his last game. He gave very sloppy service from dummy half.

I watched it twice, he threw a few poor ones but not as bad as you make it out, his overall performance was fine. Only one way for him to improve and sitting on the sideline ain't it

A sure way to ensure he has a short NRL career is to force him to play week after week without a chance to recover and regroup. He is young and needs to brought into the weekly grind gradually.

Again what rookies do you see teams do that with? Especially if they're in a position that's very limited at their club. Penrith haven't done it with Burton. Manly haven't done it with Schuster. Should we give Laurie a break because he's a rookie?

If they're playing well enough they keep their spot, the club would be ensuring they do extra recovery and work with the physios etc seeing as he's still young and developing. The kid is fine, he's handled himself fine out there and clearly the club sees that too. Stop worrying so much I'm sure the professionals know what they're doing!

But he hasn’t handled himself fine. Started off terrific and has gone backwards each game since until the last round he was terrible. That you have to manage to ensure he has a long career.

Played well against Souths, went fine in a game we lost by 40 points and went fine against dragons. I don't know how you can think he was 'terrible' last week, he did alright. He's not getting hurt, he's not falling off tackles he's not getting smashed, he's handling himself very well for a 19 year old playing one of the harder positions in the game.

He and Liddle sharing the role is the best way to go for the players individually and the team as a whole. If Jake didn't play this week you'd want Liddle playing 80 when he's shown he can't handle it?

Anyway clearly we won't agree so no point going on with it, I'll back the coach on this one.

 

[mike]

Agree with @mike. He isn't bagging the kid at all. Think it is just a case of quality over quantity. Don't think we'd be doing him a favour just leaving him on the field not being able to produce quality. Having Liddle on the bench is very timely and he will shine.

Doesn't mean Jake should lose his spot over one game where he wasn't amazing. Dropping the kid might hurt his confidence and it isn't deserved - happy for him to be given breaks throughout a game, I think it's a good strategy.

Liddle should come in and do well off the bench if he utilises his running game, it's something Madge mentioned in his press conference that he was happy Jacob was running the footy more again because it's his best weapon

He’s not losing his spot, he’s being rested. You need to manage these young blokes into the NRL otherwise you will burn them out before they start.

Call it whatever you want, **he'll see it as being dropped**. I don't see other good rookies getting rested at other teams if they're playing well enough. Best way for him to adjust to NRL is by playing NRL, start him and use Liddle off the bench to manage his minutes no need to drop him, it also works better strategically.

So you know how he thinks is now. OK.

What do you think a player will see it as? No ones gonna be happy about getting demoted. He didn't even look fatigued when he played until close to the end of the game and then he was taken off, and I'm sure the same will happen this week. That's how you manage a rookie

It’s not a demotion. It’s how you manage them. He’s debut has gone as about as I expected. Great first game, 2nd OK. Third not so great. If he keeps going down that trend he won’t be in the NRL for long. It’s better to rest him now and let him refreshen up and then have a blinder upon his return.

Where did you get the idea that he's fatigued from? He doesn't need to refresh, he's doing fine he needs to keep playing and keep working on his game and clearly the coach agrees. Sure let's not play him 80 minutes every week but there's literally no reason not to play him

With Mbye at centre we can't drop him anyway as Liddle has struggled with 80 minutes in first grade himself.

Watch his last game. He gave very sloppy service from dummy half.

I watched it twice, he threw a few poor ones but not as bad as you make it out, his overall performance was fine. Only one way for him to improve and sitting on the sideline ain't it

A sure way to ensure he has a short NRL career is to force him to play week after week without a chance to recover and regroup. He is young and needs to brought into the weekly grind gradually.

Again what rookies do you see teams do that with? Especially if they're in a position that's very limited at their club. Penrith haven't done it with Burton. Manly haven't done it with Schuster. Should we give Laurie a break because he's a rookie?

If they're playing well enough they keep their spot, the club would be ensuring they do extra recovery and work with the physios etc seeing as he's still young and developing. The kid is fine, he's handled himself fine out there and clearly the club sees that too. Stop worrying so much I'm sure the professionals know what they're doing!

But he hasn’t handled himself fine. Started off terrific and has gone backwards each game since until the last round he was terrible. That you have to manage to ensure he has a long career.

Played well against Souths, went fine in a game we lost by 40 points and went fine against dragons. I don't know how you can think he was 'terrible' last week, he did alright. He's not getting hurt, he's not falling off tackles he's not getting smashed, he's handling himself very well for a 19 year old playing one of the harder positions in the game.

He and Liddle sharing the role is the best way to go for the players individually and the team as a whole. If Jake didn't play this week you'd want Liddle playing 80 when he's shown he can't handle it?

Well we disagree with our assessment of Simpkin so far. So be it.

My original idea on my first post of the matter was to play Simpkin off the bench. Bring him on when the big forwards are tired. But some people thought that was not acceptable so then just rest him. Some don’t like that idea either. Oh well.

 

[JC99]

Agree with @mike. He isn't bagging the kid at all. Think it is just a case of quality over quantity. Don't think we'd be doing him a favour just leaving him on the field not being able to produce quality. Having Liddle on the bench is very timely and he will shine.

Doesn't mean Jake should lose his spot over one game where he wasn't amazing. Dropping the kid might hurt his confidence and it isn't deserved - happy for him to be given breaks throughout a game, I think it's a good strategy.

Liddle should come in and do well off the bench if he utilises his running game, it's something Madge mentioned in his press conference that he was happy Jacob was running the footy more again because it's his best weapon

He’s not losing his spot, he’s being rested. You need to manage these young blokes into the NRL otherwise you will burn them out before they start.

Call it whatever you want, **he'll see it as being dropped**. I don't see other good rookies getting rested at other teams if they're playing well enough. Best way for him to adjust to NRL is by playing NRL, start him and use Liddle off the bench to manage his minutes no need to drop him, it also works better strategically.

So you know how he thinks is now. OK.

What do you think a player will see it as? No ones gonna be happy about getting demoted. He didn't even look fatigued when he played until close to the end of the game and then he was taken off, and I'm sure the same will happen this week. That's how you manage a rookie

It’s not a demotion. It’s how you manage them. He’s debut has gone as about as I expected. Great first game, 2nd OK. Third not so great. If he keeps going down that trend he won’t be in the NRL for long. It’s better to rest him now and let him refreshen up and then have a blinder upon his return.

Where did you get the idea that he's fatigued from? He doesn't need to refresh, he's doing fine he needs to keep playing and keep working on his game and clearly the coach agrees. Sure let's not play him 80 minutes every week but there's literally no reason not to play him

With Mbye at centre we can't drop him anyway as Liddle has struggled with 80 minutes in first grade himself.

Watch his last game. He gave very sloppy service from dummy half.

I watched it twice, he threw a few poor ones but not as bad as you make it out, his overall performance was fine. Only one way for him to improve and sitting on the sideline ain't it

A sure way to ensure he has a short NRL career is to force him to play week after week without a chance to recover and regroup. He is young and needs to brought into the weekly grind gradually.

Again what rookies do you see teams do that with? Especially if they're in a position that's very limited at their club. Penrith haven't done it with Burton. Manly haven't done it with Schuster. Should we give Laurie a break because he's a rookie?

If they're playing well enough they keep their spot, the club would be ensuring they do extra recovery and work with the physios etc seeing as he's still young and developing. The kid is fine, he's handled himself fine out there and clearly the club sees that too. Stop worrying so much I'm sure the professionals know what they're doing!

But he hasn’t handled himself fine. Started off terrific and has gone backwards each game since until the last round he was terrible. That you have to manage to ensure he has a long career.

Played well against Souths, went fine in a game we lost by 40 points and went fine against dragons. I don't know how you can think he was 'terrible' last week, he did alright. He's not getting hurt, he's not falling off tackles he's not getting smashed, he's handling himself very well for a 19 year old playing one of the harder positions in the game.

He and Liddle sharing the role is the best way to go for the players individually and the team as a whole. If Jake didn't play this week you'd want Liddle playing 80 when he's shown he can't handle it?

Well we disagree with our assessment of Simpkin so far. So be it.

My original idea on my first post of the matter was to play Simpkin off the bench. Bring him on when the big forwards are tired. But some people thought that was not acceptable so then just rest him. Some don’t like that idea either. Oh well.

I reckon Liddle would be better to come off the bench, he's faster and will be more of a threat. I'm excited to see him back in the top grade I think he'll do well and will hold his spot for a while