One ref

[mike]

I personally think the one ref will do us more harm than good

If you aren't dominating the ruck , this will hurt you

We’ll have to wait and see. If we get back to quick play-the-balls it might actually benefit.

Like to agree , but unless Ronnie's magic wand can turn the years back on BQM , we'd still have nothing to play off the back of

Sheens and Madge are almost polar opposites as well

It might give Brooks more room. He could kill it.

How would it give him more room? The ruck would be slower and there would be more time for defenders to be set. We aren’t a team that dominates the ruck having one ref is a big negative for us

No wrestling, the play-the-ball will be faster, the defence will still be getting back on side. Unlike now with the wrestle where the defence is set before players let the attacker play-the-ball. We’ll have to see how it works.

How will there be no wrestling? There will be more because there’s no pocket ref right next to the play the ball. Watch the international games with one ref and that’s what happens. Players don’t care about giving away penalties/six again every so often if it’s slowing down the ruck.

Infringements in the ruck will be called as six again to the attacking team. They will learn very quickly that it is not to their advantage to wrestle. The ref will manage the ruck. Touchies manage the 10 meters

 

[happy_tiger]

I personally think the one ref will do us more harm than good

If you aren't dominating the ruck , this will hurt you

We’ll have to wait and see. If we get back to quick play-the-balls it might actually benefit.

Like to agree , but unless Ronnie's magic wand can turn the years back on BQM , we'd still have nothing to play off the back of

Sheens and Madge are almost polar opposites as well

It might give Brooks more room. He could kill it.

How would it give him more room? The ruck would be slower and there would be more time for defenders to be set. We aren’t a team that dominates the ruck having one ref is a big negative for us

No wrestling, the play-the-ball will be faster, the defence will still be getting back on side. Unlike now with the wrestle where the defence is set before players let the attacker play-the-ball. We’ll have to see how it works.

How will there be no wrestling? There will be more because there’s no pocket ref right next to the play the ball. Watch the international games with one ref and that’s what happens. Players don’t care about giving away penalties/six again every so often if it’s slowing down the ruck.

Infringements in the ruck will be called as six again to the attacking team. They will learn very quickly that it is not to their advantage to wrestle. The ref will manage the ruck. Touchies manage the 10 meters

Well this leads to another question ...who then looks after the 40-20 attempts and the 20-40 attempts ...especially if people want less interference with the bunker

I can think of a few incidences where you need to think about getting rid of the 2nd ref

 

[JC99]

I personally think the one ref will do us more harm than good

If you aren't dominating the ruck , this will hurt you

We’ll have to wait and see. If we get back to quick play-the-balls it might actually benefit.

Like to agree , but unless Ronnie's magic wand can turn the years back on BQM , we'd still have nothing to play off the back of

Sheens and Madge are almost polar opposites as well

It might give Brooks more room. He could kill it.

How would it give him more room? The ruck would be slower and there would be more time for defenders to be set. We aren’t a team that dominates the ruck having one ref is a big negative for us

No wrestling, the play-the-ball will be faster, the defence will still be getting back on side. Unlike now with the wrestle where the defence is set before players let the attacker play-the-ball. We’ll have to see how it works.

How will there be no wrestling? There will be more because there’s no pocket ref right next to the play the ball. Watch the international games with one ref and that’s what happens. Players don’t care about giving away penalties/six again every so often if it’s slowing down the ruck.

Infringements in the ruck will be called as six again to the attacking team. They will learn very quickly that it is not to their advantage to wrestle. The ref will manage the ruck. Touchies manage the 10 meters

What makes you think the players will learn? When the referees cracked down on the wrestling by blowing penalties there was 20+ penalties per game for weeks on end. They didn’t learn then, this is arguably a weaker punishment for wrestling so I doubt they learn now.

Best way to stop it is by sin binning players for doing it if they’re that desperate to eliminate the wrestle.

 

[Fade.To.Black]

I personally think the one ref will do us more harm than good

If you aren't dominating the ruck , this will hurt you

We’ll have to wait and see. If we get back to quick play-the-balls it might actually benefit.

Like to agree , but unless Ronnie's magic wand can turn the years back on BQM , we'd still have nothing to play off the back of

Sheens and Madge are almost polar opposites as well

It might give Brooks more room. He could kill it.

How would it give him more room? The ruck would be slower and there would be more time for defenders to be set. We aren’t a team that dominates the ruck having one ref is a big negative for us

No wrestling, the play-the-ball will be faster, the defence will still be getting back on side. Unlike now with the wrestle where the defence is set before players let the attacker play-the-ball. We’ll have to see how it works.

How will there be no wrestling? There will be more because there’s no pocket ref right next to the play the ball. Watch the international games with one ref and that’s what happens. Players don’t care about giving away penalties/six again every so often if it’s slowing down the ruck.

Infringements in the ruck will be called as six again to the attacking team. They will learn very quickly that it is not to their advantage to wrestle. The ref will manage the ruck. Touchies manage the 10 meters

What makes you think the players will learn? When the referees cracked down on the wrestling by blowing penalties there was 20+ penalties per game for weeks on end. They didn’t learn then, this is arguably a weaker punishment for wrestling so I doubt they learn now.

Best way to stop it is by sin binning players for doing it if they’re that desperate to eliminate the wrestle.

They will learn once opposition teams get a length-of-the-field free ride for repeated infringements which will result more often than not in tries being scored against the tired, retreating defence. Hopefully the sin-bin gets a good workout also. Players need to fall back under the control of the refs, they treat the refs as a joke currently (which plenty are but that needs to change).

 

[Fade.To.Black]

So this project Apollo team only talked about reducing refs for less than an hour, didn’t talk to coaches, didn’t talk to the refs, didn’t ask anyone else about it. Seems crazy to make such a massive decision like this without properly talking it through.

Refs will be protesting it so hopefully it doesn’t happen. PVL can’t just change the game however he feels like without consulting anyone. One ref = Melbourne and roosters grand final

It's just another example of the NRL under V'Landys and his "ready-fire-aim" style of leadership. Announcements made before proper consultation and negotiation, more or less to bully others into a position that suits the NRL.

Really?? And we're meant to applaud and praise that type of leadership? Nah. I'm calling it for what it is; blinkered, stubborn, selfish, win-at-all-costs, autocratic, alienating and divisive leadership by V'Landys.

No wonder Greenberg seemed genuinely relieved and happy to be away from this nut case of a man.

That style has its positives and negatives. It’s been fantastic for getting the footy back and he’s done a good job with that so far. With stuff like this, rule changes etc it’s pretty crazy. Does what he wants without consulting others.

Only way one ref works is if they actually penalise teams for wrestling constantly, but last time they did that there was 100 penalties a game, the players never learned and the fans complained.

Actually it was mainly Slothfield through news ltd who complained and the cynic in me believes that he complained because Gallen and the sharks sucked under the policing

The media were the main complainers but the fans followed as they always do. That’s why they changed it back - before they did teams like roosters and storm struggled

That where this sort of leadership will thrive. He won't listen to white noise by the media. And I don't think it as necessarily the majority of fans.

We will be so desperate to watch footy that 40 penalty games with 9 in the bin will sort them out

Simple ......3 of any type of penalty and someone goes to the bin after every penalty of the same reason

The six again rule they are talking about takes out the captains challenge ....

Geo...your a shocker

Maybe, just maybe Happy, great minds think alike.

Not really happy has no detail...I would set up naughty chairs behind the in-goal where they have to sit and watch their mates defend with 9 men..

Makes it quicker to when they have to trudge on and off..

And this shows the dumbness of his idea ..it takes players currently sinbinned about 3 minutes to walk off ...imagine getting them to walk from their own 10 to the other end ..bloody hell you could watch the entire Star Wars saga

Its not hard, the refs need to grow a pair. Give the player a time limit to walk off. 10 seconds, any longer, sent off, and if they're still delaying, then apply a suspension.

The referees really need to exert some dominance. They should imo apply the following ground rules:
1. Only one captain (or nominated captain) can speak to a referee
2. If a team has joint captains, only one captain can speak to a referee at a time
3. A player must speak to a referee respectfully at all times
4. If any other player speaks to a referee, they are instantly sin binned
5. No player can address a touch judge
6. No player can make a disrespectful comment about a touch judge
7. Referees will address players by their number
8. After repeated infringements sin binnings will apply (two offences in succession will see the second offender sin binned, or three offences of a similar nature in a short time period of maybe ten minutes will see the third offender sin binned)
9. Work with the judiciary, be on the same page, it should be two arms of the same thing.
10. Breaking the above rules will result in a sin binning and possible suspension, no warnings.

Spot on with all points there?

 

[JC99]

I personally think the one ref will do us more harm than good

If you aren't dominating the ruck , this will hurt you

We’ll have to wait and see. If we get back to quick play-the-balls it might actually benefit.

Like to agree , but unless Ronnie's magic wand can turn the years back on BQM , we'd still have nothing to play off the back of

Sheens and Madge are almost polar opposites as well

It might give Brooks more room. He could kill it.

How would it give him more room? The ruck would be slower and there would be more time for defenders to be set. We aren’t a team that dominates the ruck having one ref is a big negative for us

No wrestling, the play-the-ball will be faster, the defence will still be getting back on side. Unlike now with the wrestle where the defence is set before players let the attacker play-the-ball. We’ll have to see how it works.

How will there be no wrestling? There will be more because there’s no pocket ref right next to the play the ball. Watch the international games with one ref and that’s what happens. Players don’t care about giving away penalties/six again every so often if it’s slowing down the ruck.

Infringements in the ruck will be called as six again to the attacking team. They will learn very quickly that it is not to their advantage to wrestle. The ref will manage the ruck. Touchies manage the 10 meters

What makes you think the players will learn? When the referees cracked down on the wrestling by blowing penalties there was 20+ penalties per game for weeks on end. They didn’t learn then, this is arguably a weaker punishment for wrestling so I doubt they learn now.

Best way to stop it is by sin binning players for doing it if they’re that desperate to eliminate the wrestle.

They will learn once opposition teams get a length-of-the-field free ride for repeated infringements which will result more often than not in tries being scored against the tired, retreating defence. Hopefully the sin-bin gets a good workout also. Players need to fall back under the control of the refs, they treat the refs as a joke currently (which plenty are but that needs to change).

Again, when the refs were blowing penalties for is 20 times a game it stopped no one. Instead people complained until the refs stopped blowing penalties - and now everyone is whining about wrestling again. Refs can’t win either way the poor buggers

 

[Fade.To.Black]

I personally think the one ref will do us more harm than good

If you aren't dominating the ruck , this will hurt you

We’ll have to wait and see. If we get back to quick play-the-balls it might actually benefit.

Like to agree , but unless Ronnie's magic wand can turn the years back on BQM , we'd still have nothing to play off the back of

Sheens and Madge are almost polar opposites as well

It might give Brooks more room. He could kill it.

How would it give him more room? The ruck would be slower and there would be more time for defenders to be set. We aren’t a team that dominates the ruck having one ref is a big negative for us

No wrestling, the play-the-ball will be faster, the defence will still be getting back on side. Unlike now with the wrestle where the defence is set before players let the attacker play-the-ball. We’ll have to see how it works.

How will there be no wrestling? There will be more because there’s no pocket ref right next to the play the ball. Watch the international games with one ref and that’s what happens. Players don’t care about giving away penalties/six again every so often if it’s slowing down the ruck.

Infringements in the ruck will be called as six again to the attacking team. They will learn very quickly that it is not to their advantage to wrestle. The ref will manage the ruck. Touchies manage the 10 meters

What makes you think the players will learn? When the referees cracked down on the wrestling by blowing penalties there was 20+ penalties per game for weeks on end. They didn’t learn then, this is arguably a weaker punishment for wrestling so I doubt they learn now.

Best way to stop it is by sin binning players for doing it if they’re that desperate to eliminate the wrestle.

They will learn once opposition teams get a length-of-the-field free ride for repeated infringements which will result more often than not in tries being scored against the tired, retreating defence. Hopefully the sin-bin gets a good workout also. Players need to fall back under the control of the refs, they treat the refs as a joke currently (which plenty are but that needs to change).

Again, when the refs were blowing penalties for is 20 times a game it stopped no one. Instead people complained until the refs stopped blowing penalties - and now everyone is whining about wrestling again. Refs can’t win either way the poor buggers

Again, when a team concedes 6 consecutive '6 again' penalties and a team marches 100 metres off the back of them to score, players will learn or get dropped from 1st grade. The issue people had with refs blowing penalties was the stoppages in play, players milling about having a commitee meeting on-field after every penalty to waste time. With these automatic restarts of the tackle count the play will continue on unabated which fans won't mind.
Refs need to assert more authority, talk with a bit more authority instead of the chummy weasel act of Badger, Sutton, Cummins etc. Players referred by number only instead of nicknames would be a fantastic starting point. No joking around with players, getting dictated to by Cammy.
Hope they fig-up and start to put players on notice for a change.

 

[mike]

I personally think the one ref will do us more harm than good

If you aren't dominating the ruck , this will hurt you

We’ll have to wait and see. If we get back to quick play-the-balls it might actually benefit.

Like to agree , but unless Ronnie's magic wand can turn the years back on BQM , we'd still have nothing to play off the back of

Sheens and Madge are almost polar opposites as well

It might give Brooks more room. He could kill it.

How would it give him more room? The ruck would be slower and there would be more time for defenders to be set. We aren’t a team that dominates the ruck having one ref is a big negative for us

No wrestling, the play-the-ball will be faster, the defence will still be getting back on side. Unlike now with the wrestle where the defence is set before players let the attacker play-the-ball. We’ll have to see how it works.

How will there be no wrestling? There will be more because there’s no pocket ref right next to the play the ball. Watch the international games with one ref and that’s what happens. Players don’t care about giving away penalties/six again every so often if it’s slowing down the ruck.

Infringements in the ruck will be called as six again to the attacking team. They will learn very quickly that it is not to their advantage to wrestle. The ref will manage the ruck. Touchies manage the 10 meters

What makes you think the players will learn? When the referees cracked down on the wrestling by blowing penalties there was 20+ penalties per game for weeks on end. They didn’t learn then, this is arguably a weaker punishment for wrestling so I doubt they learn now.

Best way to stop it is by sin binning players for doing it if they’re that desperate to eliminate the wrestle.

Best way to stop it is let the attacking team pile on points.

 

[Russell]

I personally think the one ref will do us more harm than good

If you aren't dominating the ruck , this will hurt you

We’ll have to wait and see. If we get back to quick play-the-balls it might actually benefit.

Like to agree , but unless Ronnie's magic wand can turn the years back on BQM , we'd still have nothing to play off the back of

Sheens and Madge are almost polar opposites as well

It might give Brooks more room. He could kill it.

How would it give him more room? The ruck would be slower and there would be more time for defenders to be set. We aren’t a team that dominates the ruck having one ref is a big negative for us

No wrestling, the play-the-ball will be faster, the defence will still be getting back on side. Unlike now with the wrestle where the defence is set before players let the attacker play-the-ball. We’ll have to see how it works.

How will there be no wrestling? There will be more because there’s no pocket ref right next to the play the ball. Watch the international games with one ref and that’s what happens. Players don’t care about giving away penalties/six again every so often if it’s slowing down the ruck.

Infringements in the ruck will be called as six again to the attacking team. They will learn very quickly that it is not to their advantage to wrestle. The ref will manage the ruck. Touchies manage the 10 meters

What makes you think the players will learn? When the referees cracked down on the wrestling by blowing penalties there was 20+ penalties per game for weeks on end. They didn’t learn then, this is arguably a weaker punishment for wrestling so I doubt they learn now.

Best way to stop it is by sin binning players for doing it if they’re that desperate to eliminate the wrestle.

They will learn once opposition teams get a length-of-the-field free ride for repeated infringements which will result more often than not in tries being scored against the tired, retreating defence. Hopefully the sin-bin gets a good workout also. Players need to fall back under the control of the refs, they treat the refs as a joke currently (which plenty are but that needs to change).

Again, when the refs were blowing penalties for is 20 times a game it stopped no one. Instead people complained until the refs stopped blowing penalties - and now everyone is whining about wrestling again. Refs can’t win either way the poor buggers

Yes, but they were not sin binned. Two games like that and they will all toe the line.

 

[JC99]

I personally think the one ref will do us more harm than good

If you aren't dominating the ruck , this will hurt you

We’ll have to wait and see. If we get back to quick play-the-balls it might actually benefit.

Like to agree , but unless Ronnie's magic wand can turn the years back on BQM , we'd still have nothing to play off the back of

Sheens and Madge are almost polar opposites as well

It might give Brooks more room. He could kill it.

How would it give him more room? The ruck would be slower and there would be more time for defenders to be set. We aren’t a team that dominates the ruck having one ref is a big negative for us

No wrestling, the play-the-ball will be faster, the defence will still be getting back on side. Unlike now with the wrestle where the defence is set before players let the attacker play-the-ball. We’ll have to see how it works.

How will there be no wrestling? There will be more because there’s no pocket ref right next to the play the ball. Watch the international games with one ref and that’s what happens. Players don’t care about giving away penalties/six again every so often if it’s slowing down the ruck.

Infringements in the ruck will be called as six again to the attacking team. They will learn very quickly that it is not to their advantage to wrestle. The ref will manage the ruck. Touchies manage the 10 meters

What makes you think the players will learn? When the referees cracked down on the wrestling by blowing penalties there was 20+ penalties per game for weeks on end. They didn’t learn then, this is arguably a weaker punishment for wrestling so I doubt they learn now.

Best way to stop it is by sin binning players for doing it if they’re that desperate to eliminate the wrestle.

They will learn once opposition teams get a length-of-the-field free ride for repeated infringements which will result more often than not in tries being scored against the tired, retreating defence. Hopefully the sin-bin gets a good workout also. Players need to fall back under the control of the refs, they treat the refs as a joke currently (which plenty are but that needs to change).

Again, when the refs were blowing penalties for is 20 times a game it stopped no one. Instead people complained until the refs stopped blowing penalties - and now everyone is whining about wrestling again. Refs can’t win either way the poor buggers

Again, when a team concedes 6 consecutive '6 again' penalties and a team marches 100 metres off the back of them to score, players will learn or get dropped from 1st grade. The issue people had with refs blowing penalties was the stoppages in play, players milling about having a commitee meeting on-field after every penalty to waste time. With these automatic restarts of the tackle count the play will continue on unabated which fans won't mind.
Refs need to assert more authority, talk with a bit more authority instead of the chummy weasel act of Badger, Sutton, Cummins etc. Players referred by number only instead of nicknames would be a fantastic starting point. No joking around with players, getting dictated to by Cammy.
Hope they fig-up and start to put players on notice for a change.

If they’re happy to give away a penalty (which includes a 40 metres kick for touch or 2 points) they’ll be more than happy to cop six again which is the exact same punishment except it’s worse for the attacking teams. They’ll be happier to do it close to their line without the fear of giving away 2 points as well. The ref may call six again but the player will still slow the play the ball down enough for his team to get set in defence.

 

[JC99]

I personally think the one ref will do us more harm than good

If you aren't dominating the ruck , this will hurt you

We’ll have to wait and see. If we get back to quick play-the-balls it might actually benefit.

Like to agree , but unless Ronnie's magic wand can turn the years back on BQM , we'd still have nothing to play off the back of

Sheens and Madge are almost polar opposites as well

It might give Brooks more room. He could kill it.

How would it give him more room? The ruck would be slower and there would be more time for defenders to be set. We aren’t a team that dominates the ruck having one ref is a big negative for us

No wrestling, the play-the-ball will be faster, the defence will still be getting back on side. Unlike now with the wrestle where the defence is set before players let the attacker play-the-ball. We’ll have to see how it works.

How will there be no wrestling? There will be more because there’s no pocket ref right next to the play the ball. Watch the international games with one ref and that’s what happens. Players don’t care about giving away penalties/six again every so often if it’s slowing down the ruck.

Infringements in the ruck will be called as six again to the attacking team. They will learn very quickly that it is not to their advantage to wrestle. The ref will manage the ruck. Touchies manage the 10 meters

What makes you think the players will learn? When the referees cracked down on the wrestling by blowing penalties there was 20+ penalties per game for weeks on end. They didn’t learn then, this is arguably a weaker punishment for wrestling so I doubt they learn now.

Best way to stop it is by sin binning players for doing it if they’re that desperate to eliminate the wrestle.

They will learn once opposition teams get a length-of-the-field free ride for repeated infringements which will result more often than not in tries being scored against the tired, retreating defence. Hopefully the sin-bin gets a good workout also. Players need to fall back under the control of the refs, they treat the refs as a joke currently (which plenty are but that needs to change).

Again, when the refs were blowing penalties for is 20 times a game it stopped no one. Instead people complained until the refs stopped blowing penalties - and now everyone is whining about wrestling again. Refs can’t win either way the poor buggers

Yes, but they were not sin binned. Two games like that and they will all toe the line.

Being sin binned isn’t a part of this new rules V’landys wants - but it should be. That would stop it

 

[JC99]

I personally think the one ref will do us more harm than good

If you aren't dominating the ruck , this will hurt you

We’ll have to wait and see. If we get back to quick play-the-balls it might actually benefit.

Like to agree , but unless Ronnie's magic wand can turn the years back on BQM , we'd still have nothing to play off the back of

Sheens and Madge are almost polar opposites as well

It might give Brooks more room. He could kill it.

How would it give him more room? The ruck would be slower and there would be more time for defenders to be set. We aren’t a team that dominates the ruck having one ref is a big negative for us

No wrestling, the play-the-ball will be faster, the defence will still be getting back on side. Unlike now with the wrestle where the defence is set before players let the attacker play-the-ball. We’ll have to see how it works.

How will there be no wrestling? There will be more because there’s no pocket ref right next to the play the ball. Watch the international games with one ref and that’s what happens. Players don’t care about giving away penalties/six again every so often if it’s slowing down the ruck.

Infringements in the ruck will be called as six again to the attacking team. They will learn very quickly that it is not to their advantage to wrestle. The ref will manage the ruck. Touchies manage the 10 meters

What makes you think the players will learn? When the referees cracked down on the wrestling by blowing penalties there was 20+ penalties per game for weeks on end. They didn’t learn then, this is arguably a weaker punishment for wrestling so I doubt they learn now.

Best way to stop it is by sin binning players for doing it if they’re that desperate to eliminate the wrestle.

Best way to stop it is let the attacking team pile on points.

Which will be a lot harder when the ruck is 30% slower and defensive lines have more time to be set.

 

[innsaneink]

I personally think the one ref will do us more harm than good

If you aren't dominating the ruck , this will hurt you

We’ll have to wait and see. If we get back to quick play-the-balls it might actually benefit.

Like to agree , but unless Ronnie's magic wand can turn the years back on BQM , we'd still have nothing to play off the back of

Sheens and Madge are almost polar opposites as well

It might give Brooks more room. He could kill it.

How would it give him more room? The ruck would be slower and there would be more time for defenders to be set. We aren’t a team that dominates the ruck having one ref is a big negative for us

No wrestling, the play-the-ball will be faster, the defence will still be getting back on side. Unlike now with the wrestle where the defence is set before players let the attacker play-the-ball. We’ll have to see how it works.

How will there be no wrestling? There will be more because there’s no pocket ref right next to the play the ball. Watch the international games with one ref and that’s what happens. Players don’t care about giving away penalties/six again every so often if it’s slowing down the ruck.

Infringements in the ruck will be called as six again to the attacking team. They will learn very quickly that it is not to their advantage to wrestle. The ref will manage the ruck. Touchies manage the 10 meters

Well this leads to another question ...who then looks after the 40-20 attempts and the 20-40 attempts ...especially if people want less interference with the bunker

I can think of a few incidences where you need to think about getting rid of the 2nd ref

No different to the last 5 or 10 years.... Yiur dramas are not really an issue

 

[tiger_one]

One Ref.
One Game.
One Direction.
One Percenters.
One More.
One Eyed.
One Winner.
One Home-ground.
One Westigers.

It's a one-one for everyONE.

 

[TheDaBoss]

One Ref.
One Game.
One Direction.
One Percenters.
One More.
One Eyed.
One Winner.
One Home-ground.
One Westigers.

It's a one-one for everyONE.

One Direction disabanded a while ago

Multiple Directions now

sort of how Nofluma runs the ball

 

[happy_tiger]

One Ref.
One Game.
One Direction.
One Percenters.
One More.
One Eyed.
One Winner.
One Home-ground.
One Westigers.

It's a one-one for everyONE.

We won ??

 

[tiger_one]

One Ref.
One Game.
One Direction.
One Percenters.
One More.
One Eyed.
One Winner.
One Home-ground.
One Westigers.

It's a one-one for everyONE.

We won ??

We may have had more points scored against us but we never lose!

 

[happy_tiger]

One Ref.
One Game.
One Direction.
One Percenters.
One More.
One Eyed.
One Winner.
One Home-ground.
One Westigers.

It's a one-one for everyONE.

We won ??



We may have had more points scored against us but we never lose!

So we beat the scoreboard ...just not the opposition OK

 

[Fade.To.Black]

I personally think the one ref will do us more harm than good

If you aren't dominating the ruck , this will hurt you

We’ll have to wait and see. If we get back to quick play-the-balls it might actually benefit.

Like to agree , but unless Ronnie's magic wand can turn the years back on BQM , we'd still have nothing to play off the back of

Sheens and Madge are almost polar opposites as well

It might give Brooks more room. He could kill it.

How would it give him more room? The ruck would be slower and there would be more time for defenders to be set. We aren’t a team that dominates the ruck having one ref is a big negative for us

No wrestling, the play-the-ball will be faster, the defence will still be getting back on side. Unlike now with the wrestle where the defence is set before players let the attacker play-the-ball. We’ll have to see how it works.

How will there be no wrestling? There will be more because there’s no pocket ref right next to the play the ball. Watch the international games with one ref and that’s what happens. Players don’t care about giving away penalties/six again every so often if it’s slowing down the ruck.

Infringements in the ruck will be called as six again to the attacking team. They will learn very quickly that it is not to their advantage to wrestle. The ref will manage the ruck. Touchies manage the 10 meters

What makes you think the players will learn? When the referees cracked down on the wrestling by blowing penalties there was 20+ penalties per game for weeks on end. They didn’t learn then, this is arguably a weaker punishment for wrestling so I doubt they learn now.

Best way to stop it is by sin binning players for doing it if they’re that desperate to eliminate the wrestle.

They will learn once opposition teams get a length-of-the-field free ride for repeated infringements which will result more often than not in tries being scored against the tired, retreating defence. Hopefully the sin-bin gets a good workout also. Players need to fall back under the control of the refs, they treat the refs as a joke currently (which plenty are but that needs to change).

Again, when the refs were blowing penalties for is 20 times a game it stopped no one. Instead people complained until the refs stopped blowing penalties - and now everyone is whining about wrestling again. Refs can’t win either way the poor buggers

Again, when a team concedes 6 consecutive '6 again' penalties and a team marches 100 metres off the back of them to score, players will learn or get dropped from 1st grade. The issue people had with refs blowing penalties was the stoppages in play, players milling about having a commitee meeting on-field after every penalty to waste time. With these automatic restarts of the tackle count the play will continue on unabated which fans won't mind.
Refs need to assert more authority, talk with a bit more authority instead of the chummy weasel act of Badger, Sutton, Cummins etc. Players referred by number only instead of nicknames would be a fantastic starting point. No joking around with players, getting dictated to by Cammy.
Hope they fig-up and start to put players on notice for a change.

If they’re happy to give away a penalty (which includes a 40 metres kick for touch or 2 points) they’ll be more than happy to cop six again which is the exact same punishment except it’s worse for the attacking teams. They’ll be happier to do it close to their line without the fear of giving away 2 points as well. The ref may call six again but the player will still slow the play the ball down enough for his team to get set in defence.

Repeated offences inside the attacking 10m or 20m should still result in the sin-bin hopefully.
Don't really care in what way the result is achieved: refs need to be in charge out there, not the other way round. Watch a few games from the 70's or 80's, the refs didn't pander to players. It was "my way or the highway" and the players respected that.
Sick of watching refs halt games because player X has told them they need to or refs asking blokes 5 or 6 times "what are you going to do here?" when players are stuffing around for an eternity. Don't instruct players to get onside, get to their feet before the PTB, square at marker etc......penalize them instead.

 

[mike]

I personally think the one ref will do us more harm than good

If you aren't dominating the ruck , this will hurt you

We’ll have to wait and see. If we get back to quick play-the-balls it might actually benefit.

Like to agree , but unless Ronnie's magic wand can turn the years back on BQM , we'd still have nothing to play off the back of

Sheens and Madge are almost polar opposites as well

It might give Brooks more room. He could kill it.

How would it give him more room? The ruck would be slower and there would be more time for defenders to be set. We aren’t a team that dominates the ruck having one ref is a big negative for us

No wrestling, the play-the-ball will be faster, the defence will still be getting back on side. Unlike now with the wrestle where the defence is set before players let the attacker play-the-ball. We’ll have to see how it works.

How will there be no wrestling? There will be more because there’s no pocket ref right next to the play the ball. Watch the international games with one ref and that’s what happens. Players don’t care about giving away penalties/six again every so often if it’s slowing down the ruck.

Infringements in the ruck will be called as six again to the attacking team. They will learn very quickly that it is not to their advantage to wrestle. The ref will manage the ruck. Touchies manage the 10 meters

What makes you think the players will learn? When the referees cracked down on the wrestling by blowing penalties there was 20+ penalties per game for weeks on end. They didn’t learn then, this is arguably a weaker punishment for wrestling so I doubt they learn now.

Best way to stop it is by sin binning players for doing it if they’re that desperate to eliminate the wrestle.

They will learn once opposition teams get a length-of-the-field free ride for repeated infringements which will result more often than not in tries being scored against the tired, retreating defence. Hopefully the sin-bin gets a good workout also. Players need to fall back under the control of the refs, they treat the refs as a joke currently (which plenty are but that needs to change).

Again, when the refs were blowing penalties for is 20 times a game it stopped no one. Instead people complained until the refs stopped blowing penalties - and now everyone is whining about wrestling again. Refs can’t win either way the poor buggers

Again, when a team concedes 6 consecutive '6 again' penalties and a team marches 100 metres off the back of them to score, players will learn or get dropped from 1st grade. The issue people had with refs blowing penalties was the stoppages in play, players milling about having a commitee meeting on-field after every penalty to waste time. With these automatic restarts of the tackle count the play will continue on unabated which fans won't mind.
Refs need to assert more authority, talk with a bit more authority instead of the chummy weasel act of Badger, Sutton, Cummins etc. Players referred by number only instead of nicknames would be a fantastic starting point. No joking around with players, getting dictated to by Cammy.
Hope they fig-up and start to put players on notice for a change.

If they’re happy to give away a penalty (which includes a 40 metres kick for touch or 2 points) they’ll be more than happy to cop six again which is the exact same punishment except it’s worse for the attacking teams. They’ll be happier to do it close to their line without the fear of giving away 2 points as well. The ref may call six again but the player will still slow the play the ball down enough for his team to get set in defence.

Not the same at all. They play continues quickly, there is no delay or rest. If they slow the play the ball down, six again. The defence won’t get a chance to set.