Our club is unprofessional, how do you disagree?

[05TIGZ]

Nothing wrong with our club. We are finally taking control back from the players!

Short but sweet. This is the main point. No more players holding the club at gun point. No more paying players to play elsewhere. I reckon 2018 will be the most excited i have ever been to be a tigers supporter. Love him or hate him but Pascoe has fixed up alot of his predecessor's mistakes. 2018 will be a clean slate. And with ivan driving the bus im on board and atleast we know the players that pull on that jersey want to be here and will give their all.

 

[Benjirific]

I can explain how it is a professionally run club. We've signed Clearly and moved on JT. We have at this point a well managed cap. We haven't chased after players and offered way overs for them to stay. We've proven that we can move on in relation to retaining and recruiting players and as soon as the situation was untenable we have taken action.

The club tried repeatedly to sign the supposed best 4 players. Personally I don't even think they are our 4 best players. Our fullback is our best player and then there are really no superstars below that. Our captain plays well occasionally but has a tonne of faults in his game. Our 6 can be great but he can also be terrible. Brooks re-signed with us and has a lot of learning to do. He definitely isn't our 4th best player but he isn't any worse than our 6\. I think Nofo has more of an impact to the team than all of the 4 supposed best players excluding our fullback and I think splitting who is the best player below our fullback is pretty hard to do. The big 4 was always a media beat-up.

We also haven't had big player or club scandals unlike plenty of other clubs.

Basically on the whole we appear to have professional managers in place directing this club. They can only control what they can control but they can take action when things get tough. I believe they've done this. It hasn't been perfect but if I was in their position making decisions I guarantee that there would be much more supposed drama. I wouldn't be supporting these players who have acted unprofessionally and that would cause some fan and media reactions. To me that is the right decision but I'm not sure if everyone would agree with that.

We haven't had any scandals? Are you serious?

Tim Simona was banned indefinitely for betting on games he was involved in, and the club wasn't cluey enough to know about the problem when he twice asked for advances on his salary. He also clearly outlined a cocaine problem that runs through out club, but the supposedly professional management just swept this all under the carpet because he bets on games so why should we believe him? This is revealed just a few weeks after a player of ours is arrested for possession of, wait for it, cocaine! And while the other people in his presence won't be revealed publicly, there were WT squad members with him at the time.

Is that not enough scandal for you? All while our management sits by and says nothing to see here.

 

[Sco77y]

I can explain how it is a professionally run club. We've signed Clearly and moved on JT. We have at this point a well managed cap. We haven't chased after players and offered way overs for them to stay. We've proven that we can move on in relation to retaining and recruiting players and as soon as the situation was untenable we have taken action.

The club tried repeatedly to sign the supposed best 4 players. Personally I don't even think they are our 4 best players. Our fullback is our best player and then there are really no superstars below that. Our captain plays well occasionally but has a tonne of faults in his game. Our 6 can be great but he can also be terrible. Brooks re-signed with us and has a lot of learning to do. He definitely isn't our 4th best player but he isn't any worse than our 6\. I think Nofo has more of an impact to the team than all of the 4 supposed best players excluding our fullback and I think splitting who is the best player below our fullback is pretty hard to do. The big 4 was always a media beat-up.

We also haven't had big player or club scandals unlike plenty of other clubs.

Basically on the whole we appear to have professional managers in place directing this club. They can only control what they can control but they can take action when things get tough. I believe they've done this. It hasn't been perfect but if I was in their position making decisions I guarantee that there would be much more supposed drama. I wouldn't be supporting these players who have acted unprofessionally and that would cause some fan and media reactions. To me that is the right decision but I'm not sure if everyone would agree with that.

We haven't had any scandals? Are you serious?

Tim Simona was banned indefinitely for betting on games he was involved in, and the club wasn't cluey enough to know about the problem when he twice asked for advances on his salary. He also clearly outlined a cocaine problem that runs through out club, but the supposedly professional management just swept this all under the carpet because he bets on games so why should we believe him? This is revealed just a few weeks after a player of ours is arrested for possession of, wait for it, cocaine! And while the other people in his presence won't be revealed publicly, there were WT squad members with him at the time.

Is that not enough scandal for you? All while our management sits by and says nothing to see here.

Have to admit you have a point there. I wasn't really impressed with the clubs response to the whole coccaine incident.. They basically assumed that no other players were involved, didn't mention an investigation although maybe this was done quietly, I don't know. I live in hope that the club is all good.. It's really hard to tell sometimes though.

 

[earl]

I can explain how it is a professionally run club. We've signed Clearly and moved on JT. We have at this point a well managed cap. We haven't chased after players and offered way overs for them to stay. We've proven that we can move on in relation to retaining and recruiting players and as soon as the situation was untenable we have taken action.

The club tried repeatedly to sign the supposed best 4 players. Personally I don't even think they are our 4 best players. Our fullback is our best player and then there are really no superstars below that. Our captain plays well occasionally but has a tonne of faults in his game. Our 6 can be great but he can also be terrible. Brooks re-signed with us and has a lot of learning to do. He definitely isn't our 4th best player but he isn't any worse than our 6\. I think Nofo has more of an impact to the team than all of the 4 supposed best players excluding our fullback and I think splitting who is the best player below our fullback is pretty hard to do. The big 4 was always a media beat-up.

We also haven't had big player or club scandals unlike plenty of other clubs.

Basically on the whole we appear to have professional managers in place directing this club. They can only control what they can control but they can take action when things get tough. I believe they've done this. It hasn't been perfect but if I was in their position making decisions I guarantee that there would be much more supposed drama. I wouldn't be supporting these players who have acted unprofessionally and that would cause some fan and media reactions. To me that is the right decision but I'm not sure if everyone would agree with that.

We haven't had any scandals? Are you serious?

Tim Simona was banned indefinitely for betting on games he was involved in, and the club wasn't cluey enough to know about the problem when he twice asked for advances on his salary. He also clearly outlined a cocaine problem that runs through out club, but the supposedly professional management just swept this all under the carpet because he bets on games so why should we believe him? This is revealed just a few weeks after a player of ours is arrested for possession of, wait for it, cocaine! And while the other people in his presence won't be revealed publicly, there were WT squad members with him at the time.

Is that not enough scandal for you? All while our management sits by and says nothing to see here.

That was an individual player and it was dealt with professionally. It wasn't a systemic issue.

I'd add that these are young kids earning a fortune and sometimes they are going to do the wrong thing.

We definitely haven't had significant issues like this.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Yeah Benji, because turmoil in the club is limited just the governance under a Wests majority board.

For crying out loud mate this club has lurched from crisis to crisis since it's inception. Funny how only now it seems as though with a majority board something is being done. You have relevant points that the club has struggled and made some contentious decisions over the last 12-18 months, but I believe they have set us up for a pretty positive future.

As for Simona and Lovett, you can't control them on the weekend. I am close to someone with a gambling addiction and for a lot of years I had no idea. Advance on pay could be for a multitude of reasons especially when the bloke was still living at home. Apart from asking if everything is OK what are the club meant to do? Honestly, what is any employer meant to do?

I concede we should be farther along than we are, I feel those decisions made in the last 12 months will reap reward in the coming years and we can put these sorts of discussions behind us.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Can anyone provide evidence that the club is being run 'professionally'?

In the last couple of years, all since the new amazing, Wests dominated board has been in charge, we've unceremoniously punted our captain and longest serving player in a saga that stretched over two CEOs, two seasons, two football managers and 18 months of horrible PR. And after backing a side to the hilt in that battle, the same management then shafted that side 6 months later and just 3 games into 2017.

At the same time as this, they allowed our four best players, two of whom are current State of Origin players and one a current international, to all come off contract at the same time (with some help from Mayer) and allowed this problem to fester across a whole pre-season and the first 2 months of the 2017 season. The whole saga was allowed to be played out in the public eye, the players in question put up to do media interviews again and again and allowed to question the stability and the direction of the club. It's now revealed that in this time, not one member of management or the board even had a 5 minute chat with the captain of the club, a local junior who is thinking about his future while they're choosing a new coach.

Someone, PLEEEEEEASE, explain to me how this is a professionally run club?

Mate, move on from the Balmain v Wests thing. I know how much it irks you Wests are in control and how you think its a conspiracy that all the Balmain juniors have been driven out of the club. Seriously, you need to let it go.

 

[LCA]

Whoever gave that simpleton permission to do that interview, publicly bagging the club should be reprimanded. Farah did the same thing, but he did it off the cuff with reporters, blindsiding the club. Woods did it in a pre-recorded interview during the week. Unless they were giving him rope so they would have an excuse to hang him afterwards, i see no excuse as to why they would ever let that happen.

Some good points here. It's assumed that someone from WT gave Woods approval to do that interview? That's the first question I would be asking Pascoe, and if approval was given, what did the Club hope to achieve from it.

But really, what it shows front and centre is that Woods is a simpleton (good description there GNR4LIFE) who is NOT deserving of our captaincy or our club.

If that's what the impact of Wehbe and Isaac Moses is, then good luck to them and their future. I don't think there is one!

What Woods has done is STUPID beyond belief. The Dogs fans will be waiting to rip into this charlatan big time because welcoming him to Belmore has seen their favourite son, in Reynolds, defect to the Tigers.

Woods will offer exactly NOTHING more than they already have, minus, of course, their favourite grub in Reynolds.

 

[innsaneink]

Simpletons best mate


 

[rialto]

There is an amazing quote by Elijah Taylor in the herald today.

Not sure about everyone here, but the dots are starting to join….

You going to leave us hanging?

Apologies - see quote in bold below:
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April 30 2017 - 8:00PM
**'She wasn't breathing properly, I was thinking the worst': Wests Tigers' Elijah Taylor's horrifying ordeal**
Michael Chammas

Sacked coaches. Player defections. Heavy losses. All that pales into insignificance when compared to the private ordeal Elijah Taylor and his family went through as the turmoil at the Wests Tigers took centre stage last month.

It was after round two. The Tigers had just been thumped by Taylor's former club, Penrith, on a Sunday afternoon in Campbelltown, when his 11-month-old daughter took a turn for the worse.

"We were driving home after the loss and our baby started having seizures," Taylor said. "When we went to the hospital the doctors were freaking out straight away. They chucked her into the intensive care unit. She wasn't breathing properly. Man, I was scared. I was thinking the worst."

It was the start of a gut-wrenching two-week period that tested the strength of the Taylor family. All they could do was wait in hope as they watched their daughter battle the life-threatening condition.

She had been diagnosed with encephalitis – the sudden onset of inflammation of the brain that threatened to cause irreparable damage to his second child.

"It was scary because we knew there could be brain damage," Taylor said. "We were told there was a chance she wouldn't recover properly. We knew she could be slow or could be epileptic or could be unable to function. We didn't know how bad it could be. It was an infection in her ear and it was putting pressure on her brain and that's why she was having the seizures. It was a really scary time."

The hospital provided Taylor with a room, where he would spend the next two weeks juggling his rugby league commitments and looking after his family.

But the very toughness that has earned Taylor so much admiration from Tigers faithful was shown by his daughter to fight her way through the infection.

"I thank God for everything that has happened," he said. "We have to monitor her motor skills, monitor the way she is developing and what she needs to work on. But, mate, praise God she's coming through fine. She's had no episodes, she's strong and nearly walking around.

"She had a CT scan, an MRI scan and they came back through fine. She's recovering now and getting better. They are still worried about the seizures because they might come back. We have to take her in every month for a check-up to see how her brain is working and developing because there could be some long-term effects."

It was a difficult time for Taylor, made worse by the news of his coach's sacking, especially because of the strong relationship the pair forged since Jason Taylor had resurrected his career at the end of last season.

On the eve of Jason Taylor's demise, the former Tigers coach made his way to Westmead Children's Hospital.

"He didn't text me that he was coming, he just showed up because he cared," Taylor said. "It speaks a lot about the man. It was before the game – that's what hurts the most about the whole scenario. JT came in and saw the baby on the Friday. He had lunch with me and my wife and my baby talking about, 'How you going and how you dealing with it?' I was really rattled, man. I told him, 'Mate, I don't think I'll be able to play against Canberra'. He told me, 'Stay with your family. Family comes first'."

That was the last time the pair saw each other.

Elijah didn't make his way down to the nation's capital for what would end up being Jason Taylor's final hours in charge of the joint venture.

So the news of his coach's sacking the following day rocked the Kiwi, who couldn't understand why the man who handed him a career lifeline was suddenly out the exit door after just two losses.

"The most s*** thing about JT getting fired was when they went to Canberra and lost, I got back Monday morning and JT is gone," Elijah said.

"That hurt. That really hurt. I sent him a text saying thank you for everything because Jason Taylor resurrected my career. He gave me a chance and trusted me and believed in me, especially when I was playing reserve grade at the Panthers. He got me in here, into the starting team and straight into the leadership group, because he wanted more leaders in our team.

**"He did so much for me. To see the way he was treated – the way he left, the way he was stabbed – mate, it hurt.** Him coming to visit my wife and my daughter when he didn't have to – that meant a lot to me. It just goes to show the quality of JT the person. He's a real family man. He was really concerned about my daughter."

Apart from a brief stint at Fox Sports, Jason Taylor has avoided the spotlight since his sacking. But, when asked about Elijah's ordeal, he was quick to reiterate his support for his former player.

"Elijah is one of the most focused and committed players I have ever coached," Jason Taylor said. "His situation with his daughter was very scary and enormously tough for him and his wife. I supported him as any coach or friend should. Elijah's awareness of his responsibility to the team and the culture of the club is rare and refreshing. He puts the team before himself at every opportunity. He was a pleasure to coach."

Elijah Taylor is a private man. That's why there are no names or photos of his two children in this story. He's now also a changed man.

"We take a lot for granted," he said.

"Kids growing up fine and healthy, but when you're in a hospital ward next to a kid who has been in there for two years, it makes you appreciate what you have got. We thought our story was bad. It really woke you up to life and football."

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/she-wasnt-breathing-properly-i-was-thinking-the-worst-wests-tigers-elijah-taylors-horrifying-ordeal-20170430-gvvqrn.html

Yep, family sure does come first. Think some people on here take their footy a little too seriously - it's only a game !!
WT Management of coaches sacking - very disappointing - could have been handled a lot better.

 

[earl]

Yep, family sure does come first. Think some people on here take their footy a little too seriously - it's only a game !!
WT Management of coaches sacking - very disappointing - could have been handled a lot better.

How could it have been handled better ?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Yep, family sure does come first. Think some people on here take their footy a little too seriously - it's only a game !!
WT Management of coaches sacking - very disappointing - could have been handled a lot better.

How could it have been handled better ?

God knows what some expect.

 

[Chevy]

The Nrl is a business,aside from that if i was employed by a company,than came out in the media and bagged it out in comparison to an opposition company you would expect some ramifications,some may even consider it sackable.

 

[Tim Sheens]

In its current state, the club is utterly unprofessional.

Remember Robbie Farah, remember how he was the source of all our troubles, and that we could only afford to keep the ' big four' if we got rid of Farah? Then remember how if we had to lose one of the four it was going to be Brooks?

So how did we get to where we are now? Moses going, Tedesco going, Woods gone, and the only one we've kept is Brooks! Woods says he expected to be a one club man, so how have we lost him? And he will be the biggest loss, he will be playing SOO and international football for years yet. And he was ours, and this stupid club somehow managed to lose him.

You have been deceived by a well orchestrated charade and are pointing your accusing finger just where they had planned some like you would. Woods said little and lead the team even less when not on the field, which was very, very poor.

 

[earl]

Yep, family sure does come first. Think some people on here take their footy a little too seriously - it's only a game !!
WT Management of coaches sacking - very disappointing - could have been handled a lot better.

How could it have been handled better ?

God knows what some expect.

There appears to be no real constructive criticism when it comes to what is wrong with the club. It's just broad comments without any facts or alternatives.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Just quietly, i'm not sure why Brooks is universally loved for committing. He had no choice as he had zero offers from elsewhere. I'm willing to bet he would have bolted too given the chance.

Axel, there were reports that even his parents were alarmed at Moses using delaying tactics when Brooks was ready to sign months ago, so not fair to target him in any way for mine. In fact he has probably been hard done by in the scheme of things.

 

[Nelson]

Let's see GCT:

- Had contract for months. Didn't sign;
- Referring to Ed's post above, Kelly Egan is quoted as saying new stipulations were tabled every time previous conditions were met. Perpetual movement of goal posts;
- Has resorted to contradicting himself and lying about having no contact with the board.

He was never staying. He'll likely go the Moses defence now and say that he couldn't sign because the contract was pulled and he never felt wanted.

You'd have to be a fool to think that these guys wanted to sign based on their actions.

Luckily we have a resident fool in GCT…

 

[Tim Sheens]

Can anyone provide evidence that the club is being run 'professionally'?

In the last couple of years, all since the new amazing, Wests dominated board has been in charge, we've unceremoniously punted our captain and longest serving player in a saga that stretched over two CEOs, two seasons, two football managers and 18 months of horrible PR. And after backing a side to the hilt in that battle, the same management then shafted that side 6 months later and just 3 games into 2017.

At the same time as this, they allowed our four best players, two of whom are current State of Origin players and one a current international, to all come off contract at the same time (with some help from Mayer) and allowed this problem to fester across a whole pre-season and the first 2 months of the 2017 season. The whole saga was allowed to be played out in the public eye, the players in question put up to do media interviews again and again and allowed to question the stability and the direction of the club. It's now revealed that in this time, not one member of management or the board even had a 5 minute chat with the captain of the club, a local junior who is thinking about his future while they're choosing a new coach.

Someone, PLEEEEEEASE, explain to me how this is a professionally run club?

"I leave that to my manager"

Well the club chair went up to him, had a chat and gave him a hug, so what more did he want?

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I can explain how it is a professionally run club. We've signed Clearly and moved on JT. We have at this point a well managed cap. We haven't chased after players and offered way overs for them to stay. We've proven that we can move on in relation to retaining and recruiting players and as soon as the situation was untenable we have taken action.

The club tried repeatedly to sign the supposed best 4 players. Personally I don't even think they are our 4 best players. Our fullback is our best player and then there are really no superstars below that. Our captain plays well occasionally but has a tonne of faults in his game. Our 6 can be great but he can also be terrible. Brooks re-signed with us and has a lot of learning to do. He definitely isn't our 4th best player but he isn't any worse than our 6\. I think Nofo has more of an impact to the team than all of the 4 supposed best players excluding our fullback and I think splitting who is the best player below our fullback is pretty hard to do. The big 4 was always a media beat-up.

We also haven't had big player or club scandals unlike plenty of other clubs.

Basically on the whole we appear to have professional managers in place directing this club. They can only control what they can control but they can take action when things get tough. I believe they've done this. It hasn't been perfect but if I was in their position making decisions I guarantee that there would be much more supposed drama. I wouldn't be supporting these players who have acted unprofessionally and that would cause some fan and media reactions. To me that is the right decision but I'm not sure if everyone would agree with that.

We haven't had any scandals? Are you serious?

Tim Simona was banned indefinitely for betting on games he was involved in, and the club wasn't cluey enough to know about the problem when he twice asked for advances on his salary. He also clearly outlined a cocaine problem that runs through out club, but the supposedly professional management just swept this all under the carpet because he bets on games so why should we believe him? This is revealed just a few weeks after a player of ours is arrested for possession of, wait for it, cocaine! And while the other people in his presence won't be revealed publicly, there were WT squad members with him at the time.

Is that not enough scandal for you? All while our management sits by and says nothing to see here.

Yes. Howthe nrl allowed our marvellous board with the incredibly astute Go at the helm, to white wAsh the players that Simonasaid were with him,was beyond belief. We've had our share of druggies , cheats , and partner beaters at this club over the years, but to deliberately not investigate what happened here with drugs is Completely irresponsible to say the least. Makes you wonder who knew what they would uncover if they dug too deep.
Someone must have been very nervous about the results
Soo professional.i wonder what was under that carpet?
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[Mr_Magpie]

**Anyone read the load of crap by Paul Crawley in today's Telegraph?
The full article is here:**
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/teams/tigers/wests-tigers-must-release-mitchell-moses-to-eels-for-everyones-sake/news-story/eb90ff9cd2f9288ce1b38999596a2a26
**He wants us to let Moses walk out now saying we have signed his replacement.
Yeah, for 2018 season!
But read the whole article - it gets worse** :unamused:

 

[Telltails]

He had no intention what so ever to sign with us, none. The club didn't lose him, not only offered him a good contract but made it clear he had Tedesco were priorities.

He had months to sign, but chose not to, yet still felt the need to drag it out and make it harder for us to sign replacements.

Exactly. These things had no intention of signing with the Tigers unless they got everything their own way. They expected JT to sign and for the club to sign Wehbe and his masseuse. Once JT and Wehbe had their little tiff then the whole thing was a done deal.

The club has handled this professionally. This is nothing more than cutting out cancer. Yes it hurts but it will be over at the end of this year and the club should never allow prima-donnas to attempt to run the club again.

TD you say he had no intention to re sign, and so he must be lying in that case.and you are pretty
Adamant about it. Why should we take what you say to be the truth ? You have no evidence, just rumours. If you have evidence that he was never going to re sign would you please post that so we can see for ourselves.otherwise, I'd think that I'd be taking Woods word for what he was thinking, rather than someone who wouldn't know Woods from a bar of soap.
So, keep peddling the line that you know what he thinks , there a few here who are dopey enough to believe anything anyone says as long as they agree with them .
Evidence please?????

It's clear in his actions he had no intention of signing, case in point, the contract had been on the table for months prior to him stating in this recent interview "if you had asked me at the beginning of the year if I was going to be a one club player, I would have said yes". If that's the case and by all accounts it was a good contract, why didn't he sign at any stage prior to JT getting the boot? Oh he wanted to know who the coach was going to be next year? well, he's going to a club where there's already been a lot of talk in regards to the coach and things aren't all that stable there. Des only has 2 years left, it seems apparent that knowing who the coach might be here, for some reason isn't so important at the Dogs. Could it be a convenient excuse?

There didn't appear to be any negotiations on behalf of Woods, there was certainly nothing about "oh we're still trying to work things out". There was nothing positive, nothing with him leaning towards signing at all in fact.

If there were issues at the club as for reasons he may not have signed, then why come out and say at what he said about being a "one club player"?

So, whilst I have no concrete evidence, his actions have made things pretty self evident.

1\. contract on the table for months, didn't sign
2\. wanted to know about the long term coaching job, JT was never going to be here long term, board quickly brings in a new coach to try and get some decisions made.
3\. clearly that didn't work, ok so maybe not the coach
4\. can't be the board, surely he would have made it clear early on he was leaving if he was sick of the "drama". Again, he stated "if I was asked at the beginning of the year if I was going to be a one club player, I would have said yes", so the "drama" may not be as it's made out to be.
5\. can't be the contract itself, you'd think players/managers would just come out and say "we're still working on it". Plus he's going to a club where he won't be the captain, surely being the captain at a club amounts to something as well? I guess in this case, clearly not.
6\. maybe it was this Webhe guy not being signed on here? well, he's not going to be at the Dogs so that can't be it.
7\. the club certainly made it clear he was a priority.
8\. and to quote Ed's bit "Kelly Egan was quoted as saying each time the club and the players reached agreement they would return to the next meeting anticipating the players putting pen to paper for Isaac Moses to turn up with a new list of requirements that had never been previously discussed."

He's had every opportunity to sign, plenty of time, yet nothing. New coach here for 3 years, decent contract, club captain. None of that good enough, one would have thought at least 2 out of those 3 would have been good enough to sign on, even at the back end of last year. It's not like the side has been holding him back in regards to rep honours either.

Seems fairly apparent he made his decision a long time ago, but for some reason kept it under his hat and maybe that had to do with the Dogs telling him to keep it under his hat until they got themselves sorted.

Really dont think many players were re -signing contracts months ago on the advice of their managers because clubs didn't know what the new cap was going to be set at. And clubs were also reluctant to draw up anything till they knew how much cap space they could offer. To suggest that it was wrong for either party(ie player and club) to not look after their own best interests during that period is ludicrous. In the meantime more drama, drugs, betting, the coach gets sacked…. and Cleary comes in and oversees precedings with the information needed in regard to the new cap figure. You have got to ask when is enough enough.
At the same time movement started also happening with players at other clubs too.
No doubt the club was in discussions with the manager but the official contract reportedly was tabled on the 31st of March. Obviously Woods was considering the Bulldogs interest during that time - when he made his final decision only he and his wife know.
Just think the club never considered that they would lose either of these players...history now.