Our club is unprofessional, how do you disagree?

[momo_amp_medo]

This topic heading is absolute rubbish and belongs in the waste paper bin with my copies of Daily Telegraph.

 

[Tigerdave]

They should have had some of you denial merchants to help them rewrite the Holocaust , you seem to be able to close your eyes and nOt see the car crash that we were for such a long time.
in answer to one of the questions as to how anyone would know that the club wouldnt be investigating the OTHER Druggies, well kiddies it was stated in the **Clubs OWN PRESS RELEASE** that they would not be investigating .
Is that clear enough for you lot, who are they covering up for ??????
.
now you can go back to your little knitting circle and dream up some more gossip to entertain each other with

Well, it only took 7 pages for someone to invoke Godwin's Law. In theory, that should end the discussion.

Completely forgot that the club didn't investigate, see, most adults should acknowledge errors…... No other response to anything else though? Cause if all you have is "See, see the club didn't want to investigate therefore it's bad and therefore Woods and co are absolutely right in wanting to drag this out, smear the club whilst still playing for them, declare that they wanted to stay regardless of any drama, but you know, leaving because of drama, but then saying they wanted to stay, but....."

"oh we really really wanted to sign, no really, wasn't it clear with the fact we dragged this out for months that we love the club?" .................Because that's totally believable?

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Calm down and take your medication or you'll do some damage to yourself, I promise il get you to write my posts from now on so they don't overexcite you.
I was going to reply to your long list of trying to shoot down all of TTs points, but if you haven't noticed the stulff that has been going on around here for years then what's the point some of our own members , like you, are amongst the few who would agree that the club smells like roses,
Most of the RL community, including a lot here would agree that the club had been a joke for a long time.
It's taken till now with Clearys signing to see them do something constructive and in the right direction . You can continue to close your eyes to all the blunders and stuff ups that gone on in the past. I
Happy was right to want us to keep wanting this club to be accountable for their stuff ups , but,you just keep your head in the stand
Keep blaming one or two players for our problems, but you haven't got a clue what's gone on between the club and them
The same thing happened when Teddy signed with the Raiders , he was almost hung. And it was later that we found about the way the club treated their best player When it came to contract time.
But you know what Woods and Tedesco think …. so your word is the whole truth.
Your lot want to put crap on two of the very few players that have always tried hard for this club, and at times they received very little support from some of the nuffies that they were expected toplay alongside.
Wherever they go, I hope that they get the chance to show ( particular Tedesco). Just how good they can de

 

[Harvey]

Is funny in that most of those writing off the club are the same people that were up in arms about Farah's treatment last year and the need to get rid of JT.
I am sure that they said they would disown the club, so do they still support (members or attend games) or do they now just lurk on a forum longing for the good old days

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Yep , I loved those days when they burned idiots at the stake.
Now they just give them a keyboard and turn them loose :roll

 

[Black_n_White]

Yep , I loved those days when they burned idiots at the stake.
Now they just give them a keyboard and turn them loose :roll

oh the irony…

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Yep , I loved those days when they burned idiots at the stake.
Now they just give them a keyboard and turn them loose :roll

oh the irony…

Leave them alone B&W.
They may be idiots but they're our idiots. :roll

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

:laughing: Surely You were talking about our self proclaimed mind readers….....weren't you :laughing:

 

[timmings01]

Well I never ranted on about getting rid of JT and I think getting rid of Robbie was a brilliant move. Still the club did stuff up. They lost Tedesco. Major stuff up. If like some here are claiming the club did sssume that getting rid of JT would get the so called big 4 to sign new contracts then they stuffed up there too. So yeah they stuffed up.

 

[Nelson]

They should have had some of you denial merchants to help them rewrite the Holocaust , you seem to be able to close your eyes and nOt see the car crash that we were for such a long time.
in answer to one of the questions as to how anyone would know that the club wouldnt be investigating the OTHER Druggies, well kiddies it was stated in the **Clubs OWN PRESS RELEASE** that they would not be investigating .
Is that clear enough for you lot, who are they covering up for ??????
.
now you can go back to your little knitting circle and dream up some more gossip to entertain each other with

I will explain it to you again. The only "evidence" that there were "other druggies" as you put it (as though it is fact) came from an admitted liar and a person of low character and credit. When Simona was initially spoken to by the Integrity Unit regarding his betting he denied it and they discontinued the investigation due to a lack of evidence. When other evidence came to light that Simona could not just deny (i.e. the text message exchanges with his girlfriend) he admitted that he had in fact been betting on games contrary to his earlier denials. Strike 1 against his credit and reliability.

Then there were the fraudulent representations he made regarding the sales of jerseys for charity purposes (conduct which he has now indicated a plea of guilty to). Strike 2 against his credit and reliability and a damning indictment on his character generally.

On the basis of some comments made by this individual, devoid of credit, and fundamentally flawed in character - comments that were not made under any oath mind you - you think it would have been appropriate for the club to initiate an "investigation" into allegations from years prior?

What evidence do you actually think they would have been able to obtain outside of possibly the sworn word of Simona (which wouldn't be worth spit)? I'll tell you - nothing. All they could have done would be to directly approach the players and put it on them. The players would have denied it regardless of whether or not it were true and, if it were not true, would have been grossly offended at having been accused solely on the word of the player that had been dogging them on the pitch. An obvious lose-lose for the club. A useless PR exercise to be seen to be doing something which only had the potential to cause harm. Yet you accuse them of being incompetent for not having done it…So keen to criticise things you don't even properly understand as always.

 

[cktiger]

A lot of people seem to forget **we are a million short of our cap this year** because we're paying two blokes to play against us.
That from a (current) board that supposedly was 100% behind the coaches decision and then flicked him a few games into the season.
Other clubs seem to handle these things better and move players around better - maybe someone can tell me another club that has been stuck with such a ridiculous problem?
**That is mismanagement**.
With another million bucks worth of talent in the team this year we'd be looking a lot better.
Pascoe seems professional enough, allowing for that one odd dishevelled appearance, and, although I don't agree on every decision he's made, Cleary obviously knows his stuff.
Hopefully these two can keep the board away from all things actually related to playing football.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

That's all nice and convenient isn't it?
But the fact that we were just getting over another drug using player being caught ,should have been enough to set off some alarm bells in our admin.

Your source for your vast knowledge 0f that is????

Actually The post that I answered was a question as to "why would anyone know that the club would not be investigating the other players."
My answer was " it was stated in their own press release". Which is exactly what happened
So I didn't need you to explain it again, but thank you anyway, do you need me to explain my answer to you again?

 

[Nelson]

That's all nice and convenient isn't it?
But the fact that we were just getting over another drug using player being caught ,should have been enough to set off some alarm bells in our admin.

Your source for your vast knowledge 0f that is????

Actually The post that I answered was a question as to "why would anyone know that the club would not be investigating the other players."
My answer was " it was stated in their own press release". Which is exactly what happened
So I didn't need you to explain it again, but thank you anyway, do you need me to explain my answer to you again?

I don't care what you were initially responding to, you went on to accuse them of not investigating because they were "covering up" for someone. I'm giving you a rational, evidence-based explanation for them having not initiated an investigation which has nothing to do with it being a "cover up".

 

[Tigerdave]

Calm down and take your medication or you'll do some damage to yourself, I promise il get you to write my posts from now on so they don't overexcite you.

?? I'm calm, stop projecting

I was going to reply to your long list of trying to shoot down all of TTs points, but if you haven't noticed the stulff that has been going on around here for years then what's the point some of our own members , like you, are amongst the few who would agree that the club smells like roses,

I didn't try to shoot down, they were shot down. Don't believe I've ever suggested the club has done everything right either, so not sure where that is coming from. Clearly though, given Woods comment again that if he was asked at the beginning of THIS year if he would be a one club player, his answer was yes….............so, not sure if these dramas are all that relevant in regards to Woods. In any event if they were a problem, why not just sign elsewhere right away?

Most of the RL community, including a lot here would agree that the club had been a joke for a long time.
It's taken till now with Clearys signing to see them do something constructive and in the right direction . You can continue to close your eyes to all the blunders and stuff ups that gone on in the past. I
Happy was right to want us to keep wanting this club to be accountable for their stuff ups , but,you just keep your head in the stand

Again, not sure what you're reading here, I have never stated anything of the sort that there hasn't been mistakes and issues.

Keep blaming one or two players for our problems, but you haven't got a clue what's gone on between the club and them

huh? again, who's blaming the players for our problems?

The same thing happened when Teddy signed with the Raiders , he was almost hung. And it was later that we found about the way the club treated their best player When it came to contract time.
But you know what Woods and Tedesco think …. so your word is the whole truth.

How far back do you have to go? If Teddy had a problem with that, then why not just leave at the end of last year?

Your lot want to put crap on two of the very few players that have always tried hard for this club, and at times they received very little support from some of the nuffies that they were expected toplay alongside.
Wherever they go, I hope that they get the chance to show ( particular Tedesco). Just how good they can de

Don't believe anyone actually wants to put crap on these players and yet here you are calling some players nuffies…...

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

" nuffies"" fits aquite a few of the players that WTs have had in the team over the last few years alongside the very few quality players that we have had
Tedesco and Woods have always put in a first grade effort and kept us in games at times where a lot of the others have been terrible.
Unfortunately they cant do it on their own .
Other teams can concentrate on this two and know that there's very few other players to consistently worry about in a game
Anyway nothing will change mind of the few who want to whitewash the club for their previous incompetence . ( and boo the two best players we have had sinceEllis)

We can only hope that the board decision to employ Cleary , means that they at last , Have learnt from previous car crashes, I don't hold much hope though

 

[innsaneink]

I believe pretty much all the players "try hard" on the field…. Some are blessed with more natural talent than others... I've seen plenty of support in pretty much every game.

How Do Woods and Teddy's team mates not support them?

They're copping crap for leaving... And Woods for the bile he continually spews... Nothing to do with what's happened onfield

 

[Tim Sheens]

You all are conveniently forgetting what else was going on at the same time :
Club over cap - how on earth with our roster another player needing to be offloaded.

No ones conveniently forgetting anything, you keep raising the goal posts

where would we be over the cap for next year? or even this year?

Lovett reportedly being shopped around. Lovett charged with cocaine possession and a whole lot
of associated rumours.

And nothing came of that shopping around, it happens to a lot of players from every club, don't see why it's an issue here. In regards to his drug issue, again, not sure how the club can be responsible for players 24/7….........when do adults start taking responsibility for their own actions?

Tim Simona being shopped around. TIim Simona deregistered for betting against his own team
Ensuing games team gets smashed after a story about cocaine use on boat with other players invovled.Club does not investigate

See above and how do you know that the club didn't investigate? Maybe they did and found out that a couple of players leaving were on this alleged boat? Would that change your defence of them?

JT sacked by board members reportedly without the knowledge of CEO and Chairperson.

Who says they didn't know?

Club captain weighng up offers from our club and the Bulldogs while all of this is going on - he would be a fool not to.

He was weighing up offers and possibilities last year, hence the no signing.

And you wonder why he just might have had enough discounting any of the other dramas that he was faced with last year.

and yet he stated if he was asked at the beginning of this year if he would be a one club player he would have said yes, again if the dramas were a problem, why say that. Adding that the dramas clearly weren't bad enough for Nofo, they clearly weren't bad enough when Moses and Brooks took up their extension offers, weird that.

You can all seem to find reasons why Woods has damaged the club based on what you think you know about the negotiation proceess, but you keep choosing to ignore the ongoing actual incidents that have plagued the club that justify Woods reluctance to commit - while absolving the club of any accountability.

Woods has done more damage to his own brand than he has done to the club, he's been listening to the wrong people. It's not just us that has a problem with how he's played this out, it's supporters from other clubs, do you believe all Dog supporters are happy with him going there?

No one is ignoring any incidents from the club, you however aren't acknowledging anything the players themselves are doing or have done.

He's going to a club that is most certainly not immune to problems and currently there was talk about dumping Des….......Woods appears to have no problem with that.

Leave Woods alone he was never the problem with this club neither was Teddy. The club just assumed that their blind loyalty and a big salary would be enough, but if anything it has forced them to get their house in order. In my opinion the fans should shut up and let them do that.

If either of them didn't drag this out, if they just came out and said at the back end of last year they were moving on, most people would accept that and move on, but why drag things out if they had issues with the club?

Clearly, they have no blind loyalty, if that were the case, they would have signed ages ago.

Opinion noted, but so far, you haven't presented anything to change anyone's minds and given Woods keeps doing interviews and sob stories to try to win back some PR, things aren't going to change for him either. He's made some bad decisions and listened to a manger that has allowed his client to damage his brand. Where's their accountability?

You keep making excuses for a club that clearly has had on going issues and ignore the fact that it is very relevant in his decision - and was more than likely the significant reason for him leaving instead of him having some grand plan to damage the club or his reputation in the process.

You have no clue when Woods made the decision to stay or go from the club and he had every right to take his time in making the decision just as the club had everyright to enforce a deadline - which they did.
And it looks more likely that the two players we most wanted chose not to stay and it wasnt about money.
The offer from the club reportedly was the highest monetary wise so the whole arguement about him trying to squeeze more money from the club by dragging it on also does not gel
You bring up Nofo who only weeks before was talking up Parra when Moses signed and there was talk of them going after him - he was also lamblasted for discussing such things when he was signed at the club - all was forgiven and forgotten once he re-signed and other club interest also more than likely earned him a bigger contract
As for damaging his brand - Russell Packer just got selected for the NZ test team, your meter is way off if you think anything that has occured during a contract negotiation is enough to damage a players brand -whatever that actually means.
As for some Bulldogs fans not wanting him plenty do and
how many WTs supporters would have been wanting Josh Reynolds in our colours six months ago?

Its done now. Its really important that the fans get over it and let the coach do what he is here to do without putting out spot fires with the media all the time. As a club we need to grow up and the fans in my opinion should play their part and not make things more difficult by stirring up unecessary trouble.
Cameron Smith summed it up perfectly last night first time I think I have evet agreed with him.

For mine there is a lot of wispy washy crap out there and mostly from Woods, however there are direct words from our football manager Kelly Egan who spoke about the goalposts continually being moved during negotiations. In the absence of any counter, I will believe his words.

Surely you don't really believe that Woods' words and actions have not affected his brand, or that the delays were not about guaranteeing money for both players.

 

[earl]

I think Woods is a perfect example of how this club is well managed. We have a good player and the captain of the team acting like a complete twat. He is basically lying and bringing the club into disrepute. His complaints are internally inconsistent - he says one thing that doesn't gel with the next thing that he states.

The club has dealt with this in an extremely classy manner. If anything I think they have taken the high road to an extreme.

It appears clear that we've had a terrible culture at the club where our better players want to have everything there way and take no responsibility for their actions. The club appears to be confronting that.

 

[Telltails]

You all are conveniently forgetting what else was going on at the same time :
Club over cap - how on earth with our roster another player needing to be offloaded.

No ones conveniently forgetting anything, you keep raising the goal posts

where would we be over the cap for next year? or even this year?

Lovett reportedly being shopped around. Lovett charged with cocaine possession and a whole lot
of associated rumours.

And nothing came of that shopping around, it happens to a lot of players from every club, don't see why it's an issue here. In regards to his drug issue, again, not sure how the club can be responsible for players 24/7….........when do adults start taking responsibility for their own actions?

Tim Simona being shopped around. TIim Simona deregistered for betting against his own team
Ensuing games team gets smashed after a story about cocaine use on boat with other players invovled.Club does not investigate

See above and how do you know that the club didn't investigate? Maybe they did and found out that a couple of players leaving were on this alleged boat? Would that change your defence of them?

JT sacked by board members reportedly without the knowledge of CEO and Chairperson.

Who says they didn't know?

Club captain weighng up offers from our club and the Bulldogs while all of this is going on - he would be a fool not to.

He was weighing up offers and possibilities last year, hence the no signing.

And you wonder why he just might have had enough discounting any of the other dramas that he was faced with last year.

and yet he stated if he was asked at the beginning of this year if he would be a one club player he would have said yes, again if the dramas were a problem, why say that. Adding that the dramas clearly weren't bad enough for Nofo, they clearly weren't bad enough when Moses and Brooks took up their extension offers, weird that.

You can all seem to find reasons why Woods has damaged the club based on what you think you know about the negotiation proceess, but you keep choosing to ignore the ongoing actual incidents that have plagued the club that justify Woods reluctance to commit - while absolving the club of any accountability.

Woods has done more damage to his own brand than he has done to the club, he's been listening to the wrong people. It's not just us that has a problem with how he's played this out, it's supporters from other clubs, do you believe all Dog supporters are happy with him going there?

No one is ignoring any incidents from the club, you however aren't acknowledging anything the players themselves are doing or have done.

He's going to a club that is most certainly not immune to problems and currently there was talk about dumping Des….......Woods appears to have no problem with that.

Leave Woods alone he was never the problem with this club neither was Teddy. The club just assumed that their blind loyalty and a big salary would be enough, but if anything it has forced them to get their house in order. In my opinion the fans should shut up and let them do that.

If either of them didn't drag this out, if they just came out and said at the back end of last year they were moving on, most people would accept that and move on, but why drag things out if they had issues with the club?

Clearly, they have no blind loyalty, if that were the case, they would have signed ages ago.

Opinion noted, but so far, you haven't presented anything to change anyone's minds and given Woods keeps doing interviews and sob stories to try to win back some PR, things aren't going to change for him either. He's made some bad decisions and listened to a manger that has allowed his client to damage his brand. Where's their accountability?

You keep making excuses for a club that clearly has had on going issues and ignore the fact that it is very relevant in his decision - and was more than likely the significant reason for him leaving instead of him having some grand plan to damage the club or his reputation in the process.

You have no clue when Woods made the decision to stay or go from the club and he had every right to take his time in making the decision just as the club had everyright to enforce a deadline - which they did.
And it looks more likely that the two players we most wanted chose not to stay and it wasnt about money.
The offer from the club reportedly was the highest monetary wise so the whole arguement about him trying to squeeze more money from the club by dragging it on also does not gel
You bring up Nofo who only weeks before was talking up Parra when Moses signed and there was talk of them going after him - he was also lamblasted for discussing such things when he was signed at the club - all was forgiven and forgotten once he re-signed and other club interest also more than likely earned him a bigger contract
As for damaging his brand - Russell Packer just got selected for the NZ test team, your meter is way off if you think anything that has occured during a contract negotiation is enough to damage a players brand -whatever that actually means.
As for some Bulldogs fans not wanting him plenty do and
how many WTs supporters would have been wanting Josh Reynolds in our colours six months ago?

Its done now. Its really important that the fans get over it and let the coach do what he is here to do without putting out spot fires with the media all the time. As a club we need to grow up and the fans in my opinion should play their part and not make things more difficult by stirring up unecessary trouble.
Cameron Smith summed it up perfectly last night first time I think I have evet agreed with him.

For mine there is a lot of wispy washy crap out there and mostly from Woods, however there are direct words from our football manager Kelly Egan who spoke about the goalposts continually being moved during negotiations. In the absence of any counter, I will believe his words.

Surely you don't really believe that Woods' words and actions have not affected his brand, or that the delays were not about guaranteeing money for both players.

I dont think for a minute that it was just all about money
- they were always going to be well paid by which ever club secured them. Kelly Egan said the offers were comparable. Most players in demand test the market I would expect them to especially in this age where the terms of a contract seems to mean very little. Our offer to Widdop forced Saints to significantly increase their original offer- good move by Widdop
My problem with the over the top reaction to Woods and Teddy leaving is that we continue to vent our wrath at individuals, instead of making the organisation accountable for our lack of success. Woods and Teddy will move on and slot into their new clubs and perform well - like all the others we have let go.
And all that would be fine with me if we had reached any level of success by moving players on, but we are in no better place than when this all started with Sheens, seem to remember Ryan being labelled a sook back then too. Call them all cancer; scum, and all the other choice words - but I will still maintain that successful clubs recruit and retain quality players they dont let them go unless they are replaced with better ones, and as club to date we havnt been able to do that -, aside from any added dramas we have endured. We all know the reasons why ie cap problems-: and that is and remains a management issue.

When players you want choose to walk, when you are in a financial position to keep them - that again is a club issue that needs to be addressed instead of resorting to defaming the players character.
As for Woods - I know enough about him to know he is a decent young man and this year may leave him with some regret, but it won't define him with those who really know him.
Lets face it fans turn like cut snakes -;just wondering who the next target will be.
I am also hopeful that Cleary will turn things around and I hope he is left to do that without dealing with unwanted distractions - he has signed some good players which is promising but we need a few more and a stable united environment with some good performances this year will hppefully set the platform.
Plenty more with you than me on this -just dont see how tearing strips of quality players is any value in making us a more successful club.You either review what you are doing wrong and make moves to fix it or you keep blaming individuals and watch them succeed elsewhere.
Anyway all over it now cant say anymore said more than enough already -

 

[cqtiger]

I originally thought that the Woods signed with the Bulldogs because of the M Moses contract revision/withdrawal saga. Considering some other articles recently I now tend to believe that the Taylor sacking had a bit to do with it. Not the sacking itself but that Woods wasn't consulted (he has admitted to this) about who the next coach would be.

For quite some time talk has been about the Big 4 wanting Todd Payten as their coach. Payten is also in Isaac Moses' stable.

My thinking is they thought that they would tell management that they'll sign if Payten comes back.

Enter Ivan Cleary

Only my opinion. I have no inside information.

I'm just glad that we didn't re-sign Woods, Tedesco and Moses for the money that they were demanding.

For that alone Ivan, thank you.