Our club is unprofessional, how do you disagree?

[Tigerdave]

Really dont think many players were re -signing contracts months ago on the advice of their managers because clubs didn't know what the new cap was going to be set at.

I don't really think that's the case with Woods and co though, they were offered good deals and deals that were on the table for months. Yeah their manager certainly would have asked them to test the waters, but then Woods has stated he wanted to be a 1 club player and Teddy has stated that it wasn't about the money.

And clubs were also reluctant to draw up anything till they knew how much cap space they could offer.

That didn't stop us from tabling deals last year and then according to Egan, making adjustments as new requests kept coming in

To suggest that it was wrong for either party(ie player and club) to not look after their own best interests during that period is ludicrous.

don't believe anyone is saying that, although some are upset about the club having to force the issue to look out for it's own interests…..........Woods certainly didn't like it. It's the dragging it out that's the problem in relation to Woods and co, not the looking out for their own best interests.

In the meantime more drama, drugs, betting, the coach gets sacked…. and Cleary comes in and oversees precedings with the information needed in regard to the new cap figure. You have got to ask when is enough enough.

What the players do outside of the club is not something that the club can monitor 24/7 or should they have to Big Brother players at all times? Simona made his own choices and brought the drama to the club, not the other way round.

In so far as the coach is concerned, well Woods can say "it had nothing to do with me" all he likes, but the fact is one of his concerns with signing was who the coach was going to be. JT needed the team to get in the finals last year to even have a shot at moving on beyond this year, given that didn't happen and that the club made it reasonably clear he needed to guide the team to the finals, it was apparent this would be his last year. Certainly after round 1 how the team performed things were well and truly derailed. The club made it's move thinking it had to secure a coach long term to get Woods and co to sign.

So, a few weeks of Cleary as coach, things have improved on the field, he's here for 3 years…........and no signing, perhaps because the decision was made some time ago for Woods?

Plus he signed on with a club with it's own coaching drama's, they were about ready to dump Des not long ago and he only has 2 years to go on his contract, Woods signs for 4 years...........guess he's only concerned about coaches here.

At the same time movement started also happening with players at other clubs too.
No doubt the club was in discussions with the manager but the official contract reportedly was tabled on the 31st of March. Obviously Woods was considering the Bulldogs interest during that time - when he made his final decision only he and his wife know.
Just think the club never considered that they would lose either of these players…history now.

That official contract was probably the last one with adjustments made. They've had a contract for months and Egan stated there were constant changes and requests that were made, according him, to accommodate the players requests.

I'd say the club was concerned that they could do nothing short of giving them well over a million each a year to stay. Those days of paying overs appears to have gone.

 

[Tigerdave]

**Anyone read the load of crap by Paul Crawley in today's Telegraph?
The full article is here:**
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/teams/tigers/wests-tigers-must-release-mitchell-moses-to-eels-for-everyones-sake/news-story/eb90ff9cd2f9288ce1b38999596a2a26
**He wants us to let Moses walk out now saying we have signed his replacement.
Yeah, for 2018 season!
But read the whole article - it gets worse** :unamused:

need a subscription on that, can you copy and past it?

 

[Tweed_Tiger]

**Anyone read the load of crap by Paul Crawley in today's Telegraph?
The full article is here:**
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/teams/tigers/wests-tigers-must-release-mitchell-moses-to-eels-for-everyones-sake/news-story/eb90ff9cd2f9288ce1b38999596a2a26
**He wants us to let Moses walk out now saying we have signed his replacement.
Yeah, for 2018 season!
But read the whole article - it gets worse** :unamused:

need a subscription on that, can you copy and past it?

if you copy and paste the link into google the link it provides from the search will work

 

[MG1962]

He had months to sign, but chose not to, yet still felt the need to drag it out and make it harder for us to sign replacements.

And I will lay odds that had nothing to do with Wests.

His manager wanted the longest possible time to elapse to shop him around and drive up the price. Every time the price goes up, he goes back to Wests, can you match this - They do and then the grub runs back to the other clubs and shows them the new offer.

Anyway none of it matters, Woods is now Canterbury's problem, not ours. Just another ex employee with an axe to grind

 

[Telltails]

You all are conveniently forgetting what else was going on at the same time :
Club over cap - how on earth with our roster another player needing to be offloaded.
Lovett reportedly being shopped around. Lovett charged with cocaine possession and a whole lot
of associated rumours.
Tim Simona being shopped around. TIim Simona deregistered for betting against his own team
Ensuing games team gets smashed after a story about cocaine use on boat with other players invovled.Club does not investigate
JT sacked by board members reportedly without the knowledge of CEO and Chairperson.

Club captain weighng up offers from our club and the Bulldogs while all of this is going on - he would be a fool not to.

And you wonder why he just might have had enough discounting any of the other dramas that he was faced with last year.
You can all seem to find reasons why Woods has damaged the club based on what you think you know about the negotiation proceess, but you keep choosing to ignore the ongoing actual incidents that have plagued the club that justify Woods reluctance to commit - while absolving the club of any accountability.
Leave Woods alone he was never the problem with this club neither was Teddy. The club just assumed that their blind loyalty and a big salary would be enough, but if anything it has forced them to get their house in order. In my opinion the fans should shut up and let them do that.
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[kh_canada]

He had months to sign, but chose not to, yet still felt the need to drag it out and make it harder for us to sign replacements.

And I will lay odds that had nothing to do with Wests.

His manager wanted the longest possible time to elapse to shop him around and drive up the price. Every time the price goes up, he goes back to Wests, can you match this - They do and then the grub runs back to the other clubs and shows them the new offer.

Anyway none of it matters, Woods is now Canterbury's problem, not ours. Just another ex employee with an axe to grind

Yeah 100%, Isaac Moses does the running around trying to get the players a better deal because Moses gets a nice little payout from whatever their salary is. It's his job to run back and forth and negotiate but by the time Moses informs Woods about Wests' final offer (31st March), Woods has already decided that he wants to play with a winning team.
While all of this has been going on there has been off-field drama with Moses signing with the Eels, JT has been sacked, Wehbe has left the club. It's easy for a player to quickly weigh up what he wants especially seeing as Bulldogs tabled an offer and showed their interest in the guy. Woods' outlook on Bulldogs is probably all positive whilst Wests is quickly diminishing. Can't blame the player for making a professional decision to better his career, it's sad that he had to take to the media but again, it's his opinion and he can share it.

At the end of the day wouldn't you all rather a captain who bleeds orange and black, who doesn't talk negatively about the club, who has a vision for his team, who supports the board's vision and doesn't have to lie to keep the public image of the team in check? Woods sadly isn't that captain anymore so I feel like it was the right time for him to move on.

 

[earl]

Telltails - let's break down your criticisms:-

1\. Club over the cap. Have the club been charged ? Is there systematic rorting ? How bad was it ? Has the club been charged via the NRL ? My take is this really isn't a big deal.
2\. Lovett being charged with cocaine possession. This happens all the time in rugby league. Barba was drug tested and failed. Corey Norman went through a similar thing but much worse recently. Andrew Johns was rumoured to have all sorts of drug problems. Simona went through a drama this season as well. These are young guys who are earning relatively a tonne of money and these things are going to happen.
3\. JT was sacked. It was the right decision.
4\. Woods dogging the club. How is that the clubs fault.

I don't see what your complaints are about. You sound like you are unreasonable in relation to the club and letting the players off lightly. These guys have been overpaid for a long time. We've supported them through injuries and built the club around them.

We made a mistake in the way we treated these guys. I can see that but that is because these guys are disloyal and lack integrity.

In my opinion you have not provided any evidence at all that this club is unprofessionally managed.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Man there's some real club haters on here. Makes you wonder why they even bother supporting.

 

[earl]

Man there's some real club haters on here. Makes you wonder why they even bother supporting.

I don't get it. I'd like to understand where it is coming from but it makes no rational sense to me.

As an example if we are over the cap the 3 traitors that are leaving would have been the guys earning the biggest chunk of that change and yet the club is to blame for them leaving.

Rationally to me the arguments don't make any sense.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Man there's some real club haters on here. Makes you wonder why they even bother supporting.

**I don't get it. I'd like to understand where it is coming from but it makes no rational sense to me.**

As an example if we are over the cap the 3 traitors that are leaving would have been the guys earning the biggest chunk of that change and yet the club is to blame for them leaving.

Rationally to me the arguments don't make any sense.

They are all posters who staunchley supported Farah and have been unable to divorce themselves from their anger about his treatment. And there's another one who is bitter that Western Suburbs are majority shareholders and doesn't go one post without making it known. Just like journos, there are some on here with agenda's and axes to grind.

 

[southerntiger]

Man there's some real club haters on here. Makes you wonder why they even bother supporting.

**I don't get it. I'd like to understand where it is coming from but it makes no rational sense to me.**

As an example if we are over the cap the 3 traitors that are leaving would have been the guys earning the biggest chunk of that change and yet the club is to blame for them leaving.

Rationally to me the arguments don't make any sense.

They are all posters who staunchley supported Farah and have been unable to divorce themselves from their anger about his treatment. And there's another one who is bitter that Western Suburbs are majority shareholders and doesn't go one post without making it known. Just like journos, there are some on here with agenda's and axes to grind.

Sums it up well.

We all acknowledge the club has made mistakes as they themselves do. They are now trying to rectify those mistakes and still getting hammered for it.

Reality is that these guys just prefer mediocrity.

Go Robbie.

 

[Basil_Tiger]

I wonder is Pascoe is professional enough to clean himself up a bit for the interview.
Unlike his earlier one , when both him and Go looked like they just got out of bed after a knight on the tiles , he looked completely unprofessional and Go had problems in staying awake, w

Yeah,Go can look daggy when out in public which is unusual for Female Execs.,they are usually overgroomed.She probably has too much on her plate and needs the Tiger's Gig like a hole in the head.

 

[earl]

Man there's some real club haters on here. Makes you wonder why they even bother supporting.

**I don't get it. I'd like to understand where it is coming from but it makes no rational sense to me.**

As an example if we are over the cap the 3 traitors that are leaving would have been the guys earning the biggest chunk of that change and yet the club is to blame for them leaving.

Rationally to me the arguments don't make any sense.

They are all posters who staunchley supported Farah and have been unable to divorce themselves from their anger about his treatment. And there's another one who is bitter that Western Suburbs are majority shareholders and doesn't go one post without making it known. Just like journos, there are some on here with agenda's and axes to grind.

That makes more sense because it doesn't appear to be rational to me.

Getting rid of Robbie and paying him the reported $700k per year was dumb but reading between the lines the traitors wanted Robbie gone anyway. I think it was partly a decision to placate those guys. I fail to see why that bad decision which was made by Taylor (all club management did was back him and what else could they do) means the club is unprofessional.

As for Western Suburbs being majority shareholders I fail to see the relevance to the clubs professional status.

That happy guy that was on here admitted that he was friends with the traitorous number 1 family. That was clearly an attempt to slander the club to make them out to be the problem rather than a disloyal ingrate. I hate that stuff.

 

[Tigerdave]

You all are conveniently forgetting what else was going on at the same time :
Club over cap - how on earth with our roster another player needing to be offloaded.

No ones conveniently forgetting anything, you keep raising the goal posts

where would we be over the cap for next year? or even this year?

Lovett reportedly being shopped around. Lovett charged with cocaine possession and a whole lot
of associated rumours.

And nothing came of that shopping around, it happens to a lot of players from every club, don't see why it's an issue here. In regards to his drug issue, again, not sure how the club can be responsible for players 24/7….........when do adults start taking responsibility for their own actions?

Tim Simona being shopped around. TIim Simona deregistered for betting against his own team
Ensuing games team gets smashed after a story about cocaine use on boat with other players invovled.Club does not investigate

See above and how do you know that the club didn't investigate? Maybe they did and found out that a couple of players leaving were on this alleged boat? Would that change your defence of them?

JT sacked by board members reportedly without the knowledge of CEO and Chairperson.

Who says they didn't know?

Club captain weighng up offers from our club and the Bulldogs while all of this is going on - he would be a fool not to.

He was weighing up offers and possibilities last year, hence the no signing.

And you wonder why he just might have had enough discounting any of the other dramas that he was faced with last year.

and yet he stated if he was asked at the beginning of this year if he would be a one club player he would have said yes, again if the dramas were a problem, why say that. Adding that the dramas clearly weren't bad enough for Nofo, they clearly weren't bad enough when Moses and Brooks took up their extension offers, weird that.

You can all seem to find reasons why Woods has damaged the club based on what you think you know about the negotiation proceess, but you keep choosing to ignore the ongoing actual incidents that have plagued the club that justify Woods reluctance to commit - while absolving the club of any accountability.

Woods has done more damage to his own brand than he has done to the club, he's been listening to the wrong people. It's not just us that has a problem with how he's played this out, it's supporters from other clubs, do you believe all Dog supporters are happy with him going there?

No one is ignoring any incidents from the club, you however aren't acknowledging anything the players themselves are doing or have done.

He's going to a club that is most certainly not immune to problems and currently there was talk about dumping Des….......Woods appears to have no problem with that.

Leave Woods alone he was never the problem with this club neither was Teddy. The club just assumed that their blind loyalty and a big salary would be enough, but if anything it has forced them to get their house in order. In my opinion the fans should shut up and let them do that.

If either of them didn't drag this out, if they just came out and said at the back end of last year they were moving on, most people would accept that and move on, but why drag things out if they had issues with the club?

Clearly, they have no blind loyalty, if that were the case, they would have signed ages ago.

Opinion noted, but so far, you haven't presented anything to change anyone's minds and given Woods keeps doing interviews and sob stories to try to win back some PR, things aren't going to change for him either. He's made some bad decisions and listened to a manger that has allowed his client to damage his brand. Where's their accountability?

 

[yeti]

Look, there wouldn't be a company or business on the planet that couldn't be improved. There wouldn't be a team of managers or a board of directors that couldn't do better. That's the human condition. That's fact. Look at the multi billion dollar banks that went belly up after the 2008 GFC. Look at the losses Qantas suffered over the past 10 years and the controversy it's CEO was/is continually embroiled in. Look at the mess Microsoft was in with the regulators in the U.S. a few years ago. Samsung, VW, BHP - the list is endless.
Massive companies with presumably the 'best of the best' at the helm.
Are the Wests Tigers being run perfectly? - Of course not. Nor are Melbourne, the Roosters, Manly or any other team in the NRL.
The Wests Tigers from inception were very poorly managed, even by NRL standards with a feuding Board made up of well-intentioned but amateurish members. Not good. Not good for business, not good for results on the footy field.
Poor decisions were made in an attempt to achieve short term objectives and these poor decisions would have long lasting effects - back ended contracts that would haunt the club right up to this very year.
And now, 2017, we can see the light at the end of a decade of darkness.
And why? Because with a new Board, and new management, hard decisions were made to 'live within our means', even if that meant we would struggle on the field for a few years. And we have.
But those tough decisions have now led us to a position where we have at last money in the bank to operate on all cylinders for the first time in a decade. Amazing.
I'm sure mistakes are still being made - as they are in every business in the land. But to compare our current state of management to those 'amateur hours' of years gone by is false and just plain wrong.
We are a club that I think we can now be proud of. The players are (in general) having a 'dig'. We seem to have a great coach and our 'back office' seems to have it's sh#t together.
The 3 amigos have made their decision and most on here seem reasonably happy with those decisions - (Tedesco aside).
I'm not sure what those on this forum want from the management of this club. To me it seems they are at last doing a sound job. Mistake free? No. Competent? Yes.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Can anyone provide evidence that the club is being run 'professionally'?

In the last couple of years, all since the new amazing, Wests dominated board has been in charge, we've unceremoniously punted our captain and longest serving player in a saga that stretched over two CEOs, two seasons, two football managers and 18 months of horrible PR. And after backing a side to the hilt in that battle, the same management then shafted that side 6 months later and just 3 games into 2017.

At the same time as this, they allowed our four best players, two of whom are current State of Origin players and one a current international, to all come off contract at the same time (with some help from Mayer) and allowed this problem to fester across a whole pre-season and the first 2 months of the 2017 season. The whole saga was allowed to be played out in the public eye, the players in question put up to do media interviews again and again and allowed to question the stability and the direction of the club. It's now revealed that in this time, not one member of management or the board even had a 5 minute chat with the captain of the club, a local junior who is thinking about his future while they're choosing a new coach.

Someone, PLEEEEEEASE, explain to me how this is a professionally run club?

You are confusing the remedy required with the lack of professionalism. Here's an example:

Sometimes when someone breaks their arm, it may not heal correctly, so a doctor has to "re-break" the arm such that it heals correctly. It sounds stupid and daresay, unprofessional - a doctor re-breaking ones arm - but it is for long term benefit and complete healing.

All of those actions you have mentioned in your posts, majority of them were required in the aftermath of the Sheens years. The problem of the Sheens' years can be summed up in one word - governance, or lack thereof. Board members were recruiting players & promising contracts, back ended contracts were agreed and what's even worse, they were agreed verbally and there was clearly a lack of direction from a divided board.

Sheens' departure was the catalyst for the removal of all these issues, but many of the issues are very systemic and long term in nature. It has literally taken the club 5 years to get to the point where we are today and those actions you have mentioned were the final instalments of actions required.

 

[Telltails]

You all are conveniently forgetting what else was going on at the same time :
Club over cap - how on earth with our roster another player needing to be offloaded.

No ones conveniently forgetting anything, you keep raising the goal posts

where would we be over the cap for next year? or even this year?

Lovett reportedly being shopped around. Lovett charged with cocaine possession and a whole lot
of associated rumours.

And nothing came of that shopping around, it happens to a lot of players from every club, don't see why it's an issue here. In regards to his drug issue, again, not sure how the club can be responsible for players 24/7….........when do adults start taking responsibility for their own actions?

Tim Simona being shopped around. TIim Simona deregistered for betting against his own team
Ensuing games team gets smashed after a story about cocaine use on boat with other players invovled.Club does not investigate

See above and how do you know that the club didn't investigate? Maybe they did and found out that a couple of players leaving were on this alleged boat? Would that change your defence of them?

JT sacked by board members reportedly without the knowledge of CEO and Chairperson.

Who says they didn't know?

Club captain weighng up offers from our club and the Bulldogs while all of this is going on - he would be a fool not to.

He was weighing up offers and possibilities last year, hence the no signing.

And you wonder why he just might have had enough discounting any of the other dramas that he was faced with last year.

and yet he stated if he was asked at the beginning of this year if he would be a one club player he would have said yes, again if the dramas were a problem, why say that. Adding that the dramas clearly weren't bad enough for Nofo, they clearly weren't bad enough when Moses and Brooks took up their extension offers, weird that.

You can all seem to find reasons why Woods has damaged the club based on what you think you know about the negotiation proceess, but you keep choosing to ignore the ongoing actual incidents that have plagued the club that justify Woods reluctance to commit - while absolving the club of any accountability.

Woods has done more damage to his own brand than he has done to the club, he's been listening to the wrong people. It's not just us that has a problem with how he's played this out, it's supporters from other clubs, do you believe all Dog supporters are happy with him going there?

No one is ignoring any incidents from the club, you however aren't acknowledging anything the players themselves are doing or have done.

He's going to a club that is most certainly not immune to problems and currently there was talk about dumping Des….......Woods appears to have no problem with that.

Leave Woods alone he was never the problem with this club neither was Teddy. The club just assumed that their blind loyalty and a big salary would be enough, but if anything it has forced them to get their house in order. In my opinion the fans should shut up and let them do that.

If either of them didn't drag this out, if they just came out and said at the back end of last year they were moving on, most people would accept that and move on, but why drag things out if they had issues with the club?

Clearly, they have no blind loyalty, if that were the case, they would have signed ages ago.

Opinion noted, but so far, you haven't presented anything to change anyone's minds and given Woods keeps doing interviews and sob stories to try to win back some PR, things aren't going to change for him either. He's made some bad decisions and listened to a manger that has allowed his client to damage his brand. Where's their accountability?

You keep making excuses for a club that clearly has had on going issues and ignore the fact that it is very relevant in his decision - and was more than likely the significant reason for him leaving instead of him having some grand plan to damage the club or his reputation in the process.

You have no clue when Woods made the decision to stay or go from the club and he had every right to take his time in making the decision just as the club had everyright to enforce a deadline - which they did.
And it looks more likely that the two players we most wanted chose not to stay and it wasnt about money.
The offer from the club reportedly was the highest monetary wise so the whole arguement about him trying to squeeze more money from the club by dragging it on also does not gel
You bring up Nofo who only weeks before was talking up Parra when Moses signed and there was talk of them going after him - he was also lamblasted for discussing such things when he was signed at the club - all was forgiven and forgotten once he re-signed and other club interest also more than likely earned him a bigger contract
As for damaging his brand - Russell Packer just got selected for the NZ test team, your meter is way off if you think anything that has occured during a contract negotiation is enough to damage a players brand -whatever that actually means.
As for some Bulldogs fans not wanting him plenty do and
how many WTs supporters would have been wanting Josh Reynolds in our colours six months ago?

Its done now. Its really important that the fans get over it and let the coach do what he is here to do without putting out spot fires with the media all the time. As a club we need to grow up and the fans in my opinion should play their part and not make things more difficult by stirring up unecessary trouble.
Cameron Smith summed it up perfectly last night first time I think I have evet agreed with him.

 

[Tigerdave]

You keep making excuses for a club that clearly has had on going issues and ignore the fact that it is very relevant in his decision - and was more than likely the significant reason for him leaving instead of him having some grand plan to damage the club or his reputation in the process.

Where has there been excuses made? you listed drama with Simona and Lovett, again I ask is it expected that the club monitors it's players 24/7?

And any other drama was clearly not a problem for Woods when he stated "if I was asked at the beginning of the year if I'd be a one club player, I would have said yes."

So anything before the players drug issues, clearly as Woods has stated, wasn't a problem.

The other drama revolves around the coach, how is my explanation an excuse? Woods made it perfectly clear he wanted to know who the long term coach was, it was never going to be JT, practically everyone knew that was going to be the case anyway, the club made a move in the hopes of securing Wood's signature.

You have no clue when Woods made the decision to stay or go from the club and he had every right to take his time in making the decision just as the club had everyright to enforce a deadline - which they did.

His actions strongly suggest he made the decision some time ago as there was nothing the club could do to change his mind, even with a change of coach and making that long term.

In so far as taking his time to make a decision, seriously, for it to take this long for a club he supposedly wanted to stay at? again that's just an argument for what myself and the others are saying. If he loved the club and wanted to stay, why take so long? Why delay? Why was there nothing from his camp even suggesting he was going to stay until well after the fact he was leaving? He had a good contract from us, club captain, the board made a move to secure a good coach…........and none of that worked, why? because he had already made his decision.

And it looks more likely that the two players we most wanted chose not to stay and it wasnt about money.
The offer from the club reportedly was the highest monetary wise so the whole arguement about him trying to squeeze more money from the club by dragging it on also does not gel

Well if the papers are accurate with 3.2 mill for 4 years, that's more than what we apparently were offering. We don't know what's exactly happening with Tedesco, but the Roosters would have had a few 3rd Parties throwing in some cash. He stated it wasn't about the money though yes, it's about finals series and they both think the Dogs/Roosters have a better chance. Surely they would have known this bit of info at the end of last year though right? So why drag it out? to see how desperate the Tigers would be to keep them would probably be a good reason.

You bring up Nofo who only weeks before was talking up Parra when Moses signed and there was talk of them going after him - he was also lamblasted for discussing such things when he was signed at the club - all was forgiven and forgotten once he re-signed and other club interest also more than likely earned him a bigger contract

He was only passing on what Moses said, but yes, all that was forgotten about when he re-signed, again, clearly, any perceived problems at the club maybe aren't much of a problem.

As for damaging his brand - Russell Packer just got selected for the NZ test team, your meter is way off if you think anything that has occured during a contract negotiation is enough to damage a players brand -whatever that actually means.

His brand, his reputation, and it's the length of time it has taken for this to happen, not the signing. If he decided to walk away from the Tigers last year, citing this that and the other, there would not have been the uproar we're currently going through, but the fact is this has dragged out for an inordinate amount of time with him continuously stating he wanted to be here etc, this is the main problems supporters have.

As for some Bulldogs fans not wanting him plenty do and
how many WTs supporters would have been wanting Josh Reynolds in our colours six months ago?

Well 6 months ago Moses had finished off the year fairly strongly, I don't know why you bring up 6 months for here though. As of right now, the majority of Wests Tigers supporters would happily see the back of Woods and as of right now, a fair amount of Dogs supporters aren't interested in the guy either. As far as Reynolds is concerned, a large number of Dogs supporters aren't happy with their club that they are losing him. There's a vast difference between how the 2 players have handled this and fans have reacted accordingly.

Its done now. Its really important that the fans get over it and let the coach do what he is here to do without putting out spot fires with the media all the time. As a club we need to grow up and the fans in my opinion should play their part and not make things more difficult by stirring up unecessary trouble.
Cameron Smith summed it up perfectly last night first time I think I have evet agreed with him.

Well it's all only just officially happened, fans are still raw and the fact that this has dragged on for so long is the reason why. This is the difference between pulling off a bandaid slowly or quickly. I don't necessarily agree with the booing, certainly don't agree with throwing things at the players. Some signage ok, but there's a fine-line with venting and just being abusive.

The club is growing up, hence the not paying overs and not continuously bowing down to the players. Might be better if some of the players did some growing up too.

This change at the club has been a long time coming. Cleary is also a massive positive.

 

[earl]

I still haven't heard one rational point why the club is a basketcase. I think I'll be waiting for a long time.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

You all are conveniently forgetting what else was going on at the same time :
Club over cap - how on earth with our roster another player needing to be offloaded.

No ones conveniently forgetting anything, you keep raising the goal posts

where would we be over the cap for next year? or even this year?

Lovett reportedly being shopped around. Lovett charged with cocaine possession and a whole lot
of associated rumours.

And nothing came of that shopping around, it happens to a lot of players from every club, don't see why it's an issue here. In regards to his drug issue, again, not sure how the club can be responsible for players 24/7….........when do adults start taking responsibility for their own actions?

Tim Simona being shopped around. TIim Simona deregistered for betting against his own team
Ensuing games team gets smashed after a story about cocaine use on boat with other players invovled.Club does not investigate

See above and how do you know that the club didn't investigate? Maybe they did and found out that a couple of players leaving were on this alleged boat? Would that change your defence of them?

JT sacked by board members reportedly without the knowledge of CEO and Chairperson.

Who says they didn't know?

Club captain weighng up offers from our club and the Bulldogs while all of this is going on - he would be a fool not to.

He was weighing up offers and possibilities last year, hence the no signing.

And you wonder why he just might have had enough discounting any of the other dramas that he was faced with last year.

and yet he stated if he was asked at the beginning of this year if he would be a one club player he would have said yes, again if the dramas were a problem, why say that. Adding that the dramas clearly weren't bad enough for Nofo, they clearly weren't bad enough when Moses and Brooks took up their extension offers, weird that.

You can all seem to find reasons why Woods has damaged the club based on what you think you know about the negotiation proceess, but you keep choosing to ignore the ongoing actual incidents that have plagued the club that justify Woods reluctance to commit - while absolving the club of any accountability.

Woods has done more damage to his own brand than he has done to the club, he's been listening to the wrong people. It's not just us that has a problem with how he's played this out, it's supporters from other clubs, do you believe all Dog supporters are happy with him going there?

No one is ignoring any incidents from the club, you however aren't acknowledging anything the players themselves are doing or have done.

He's going to a club that is most certainly not immune to problems and currently there was talk about dumping Des….......Woods appears to have no problem with that.

Leave Woods alone he was never the problem with this club neither was Teddy. The club just assumed that their blind loyalty and a big salary would be enough, but if anything it has forced them to get their house in order. In my opinion the fans should shut up and let them do that.

If either of them didn't drag this out, if they just came out and said at the back end of last year they were moving on, most people would accept that and move on, but why drag things out if they had issues with the club?

Clearly, they have no blind loyalty, if that were the case, they would have signed ages ago.

Opinion noted, but so far, you haven't presented anything to change anyone's minds and given Woods keeps doing interviews and sob stories to try to win back some PR, things aren't going to change for him either. He's made some bad decisions and listened to a manger that has allowed his client to damage his brand. Where's their accountability?

They should have had some of you denial merchants to help them rewrite the Holocaust , you seem to be able to close your eyes and nOt see the car crash that we were for such a long time.
in answer to one of the questions as to how anyone would know that the club wouldnt be investigating the OTHER Druggies, well kiddies it was stated in the **Clubs OWN PRESS RELEASE** that they would not be investigating .
Is that clear enough for you lot, who are they covering up for ??????
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now you can go back to your little knitting circle and dream up some more gossip to entertain each other with