Packer & Reynolds

[hammertime]

Hopefully the CEO and Chairman use it to claw back some of the wasted funds spent on these guys. Not sure he can ping Reynolds, but packer may have an obligation to be there as 19th man.

 

[Nelson]

Taylor gets knocked on this forum for being a plodder, but do people realise how much work he gets through?

He consistently makes his tackles and takes hard hit-ups as well. I really hope we retain him.

Taylor, McIntyre really tightened our middle. Eisenhuth worked overtime. Other forwards need to improve tavkling techniques.

With 28 spots Taylor does not make the cut better investing in youth ... McIntye ?.. Huth depends who the club could bring in !

Hopefully Taylor gets a start elsewhere.

Brisbane could use him to be honest, help Carrigan out in the middle.

 

[rihannafan1]

Can anybody explain how Madge can be mad enough to bring baseball bats and snakes to the changeroom but why he needs Benji and Robbie to have "difficult" conversations for him. Is he a psycho or a coward? Psycho coward maybe?

The leak in the hull is getting bigger and it's not very subtle when Benji gets two roles I the story.... victim and saviour. Not saying it is Benji, but certainly someone sympathetic to him.

What's happened here is that Maguire doesn't want to share. He's fallen out with some journalists over their reporting of the team and his insistence not to share key info with them. They've gotten upset and felt like he hasn't communicated well with them. And to prove their point they write articles and leak sackings like Benji's to get back at him.

100% truth

 

[hodgo]

At the end of the day, I just wonder how the other players feel about this?
On them grounds, the whole team
Unity could potentially be compromised if not dealt with properly.
I’m appalled that the guys left.

I think unity can be damaged when you have players like Packer, our highest paid forward, contributing nothing to the team, while others like Eisenhuth, on a small contract, are having a dig each week. To top it off, Eisenhuth has been told to look after himself because we may not be able to offer him a deal for 2021.

So we keep Packer and put Eisenhuth, as well as keeping JRey and punt Benji.

That can't be good for morale.


But they are on contracts, nothing we can do about it, I am sure all players know how it works.
Maybe Packers foot is playing up again?
Just on Eisenhuth, Taylor and McIntyre I thought we lifted noticeably when they came on, admittedly they were fresh, but they played there role well. I hope we keep them all.

Agree - Eiso, Taylor and McIntyre worked really hard. Taylor gets knocked on this forum for being a plodder, but do people realise how much work he gets through? I watched him closely on the weekend. In one set I saw him make a tackle, sprint back into line and then make the next two. This sort of commitment in defence gave us the chance to work back into the game.

I don't think anyone mentions his lack of effort. ETs issue has always been he is a poor runner of the football. Defensively he is god like. In a team with dominate ball runners he would be great.

Note he has been better running the ball this year.

 

[Tweed_Tiger]

https://youtu.be/PnSccAokV3c

 

[Aesopian]

Did none of you mongs learn from the 'Joey walkout to Canberra' that wasn't a walkout.

This is media sensationalism and you're falling for it hook line and sinker. Maybe wait till the club has it's proper say on the matter rather than taking the word of these scummy donut head journos...

If they did in fact leave early then so be it. Everyone knows these 2 aren't in the clubs long term plans, and both have been actively shopped around all year. They're surplus to requirements.

My only disappointment is that they didn't do anything worthy of contract termination. Maybe they should of stopped by the strippos on the way back then gotten into a fight in front of a kebab shop. Only for it all to be caught on camera... can only dream of such a scenario

I don't agree with this sentiment. Sure we'd like to get rid of them. Sure the media have caused an issue.

At the same time these guys should have stayed. They are highly paid and should be doing everything they can to get into the top team.

What you and I think these guys should do is irrelevant. In the end it's just a job. Some take it more seriously than others.

Signing these 2 on long term deals has, you could say, allowed the situation to occur. Having highly paid non performing squad members is the worst possible scenario for roster management.

They know the club doesn't want them and they can't get a better deal elsewhere. They'll do the bare minimum and milk the cow for all it's worth. Can't blame them. Any person would do the same and take advantage of the situation for their benefit.

I mean, they're highly paid to run around all week and keep fit. Dream job. And I doubt the other players look to them for leadership and motivation. So, they'll just take it as seriously as they have to until their contracts are up.

 

[cochise]

I assume Pascoe and Chairman Lee cleared their threatened upcoming blast of Packer and Reynolds with Madge. Will Madge be actively involved?

Why?

 

[cochise]

If Packer turns up to training tomorrow the whole squad should call him by his new nickname - ‘the 15 yard man.’
Hey here comes 15...
Go hard for 15 champ
Good session mate - you ran 16
Going home early 15?
But heres the best one - hey 15, pity you didn’t get 15 to life!!

I would be calling him 7.5, that 15 took him a whole game and he only stayed for half on the weekend.

 

[Needaname]

ChammASS strikes again... what a flog.

He once again references Club Insiders. That’s the journo term for “nobody would speak to me so I’ll go ahead and reference fantasy insiders to justify my opinions.”

Clear as day now that there’s a massive agenda against the club for whatever reasons. But like any news cycle, it’ll soon be forgotten once the next major NRL talking point presents itself.

I actually thought Chammas was on pretty good terms with WT. Must be thinking of another journalist....

I thought so too.
He gets the early mail, had the scoop on Brooks not being named to start on the Monday evening before Tuesday’s announcement.
But his becoming a bit of a mouthpiece for the disgruntled or disenfranchised of the club.

Brent Read has a link via Marina Go. (He and her husband work at the Australian together) but the allegiance his reports of late have been questionable.

I’m sure as a general rule anything reported in the Daily Telegraph is baseless, opinionated and is reported to incite a reaction.
Anything reported in the SMH is factual and is reported to inform to an intended audience.

 

[Chaos]

Did none of you learn from the 'Joey walkout to Canberra' that wasn't a walkout.

This is media sensationalism and you're falling for it hook line and sinker. Maybe wait till the club has it's proper say on the matter rather than taking the word of these scummy donut head journos...

If they did in fact leave early then so be it. Everyone knows these 2 aren't in the clubs long term plans, and both have been actively shopped around all year. They're surplus to requirements.

My only disappointment is that they didn't do anything worthy of contract termination. Maybe they should of stopped by the strippos on the way back then gotten into a fight in front of a kebab shop. Only for it all to be caught on camera... can only dream of such a scenario

In this case, the Journos reported something the players themselves admitted to the coach, that they bailed at half time.
Not sure what your saying tbh.
We all just disappointed as fans, because we tune in every week, some are members, some have Foxtel just to watch the games and support the team, we have not played finals football in what seems an eternity, while we all have our own views on what’s going at the club, we still support the team, and tune in every week.
But these guys who are on high dollars Can’t stick around for the 80mins?
It’s pathetic.
Regardless if they weren’t required to be there, fact is, they showed up and they bailed on their team mates at half time when they were down.
As many have said, they should never play 1st grade for the tigers again.
Are they players we want to run out AFTER half time if we are losing? No.
They have shown No heart and no team spirit.

 

[Aesopian]

Constantly driving home the “Madge is the problem narrative”, “Angst in the ranks” nonsense.

I get the impression that no one is taking this stuff seriously.

I particularly had to laugh at this quote from the Chammas article:

"But in a strong message to the players, **some of whom are privately questioning whether he is in fact the right man to lead them out of a decade-long finals slumber**......".

I think Chammas has got this around the wrong way.

It is not the players who are questioning Madge's ability to get them to the finals; it is the coach who is questioning the players' ability to make the finals.

That is why around 50% of the current squad will not be with the club beyond next season.

The reason for the discontent is clear.

**"some of whom are privately questioning whether he is in fact the right man to lead them out of a decade-long finals slumber"**

This line from ChammASS is real scummy. Implying that some of the players are sharing thoughts and feelings with him. Utter tripe.

My only hope is the players don't read the papers. This type of stuff can create the exact problem described, even if it wasn't there in the first place. Players looking around at each other thinking who are these muppets selling the team out to the press.

Clubs being attacked from all angles by the journos right now. Clearly we're a threat to someone who fears us being a success

 

[Russell]

If this is true, and Madge seem to have confirmed it, it's really poor form.

it's an indication of just how invested these guys are in the team.

Madge has shrugged it off to the media but I reckon that privately he'll be fuming. I really hope he rips into them, but I guess we're never going to know.

Maybe they can't be sacked but I'm sure a 25k fine each would make the point and help give MacIntyre a new contract and pay rise.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Did none of you mongs learn from the 'Joey walkout to Canberra' that wasn't a walkout.

This is media sensationalism and you're falling for it hook line and sinker. Maybe wait till the club has it's proper say on the matter rather than taking the word of these scummy donut head journos...

If they did in fact leave early then so be it. Everyone knows these 2 aren't in the clubs long term plans, and both have been actively shopped around all year. They're surplus to requirements.

My only disappointment is that they didn't do anything worthy of contract termination. Maybe they should of stopped by the strippos on the way back then gotten into a fight in front of a kebab shop. Only for it all to be caught on camera... can only dream of such a scenario

I don't agree with this sentiment. Sure we'd like to get rid of them. Sure the media have caused an issue.

At the same time these guys should have stayed. They are highly paid and should be doing everything they can to get into the top team.

What you and I think these guys should do is irrelevant. In the end it's just a job. Some take it more seriously than others.

Signing these 2 on long term deals has, you could say, allowed the situation to occur. Having highly paid non performing squad members is the worst possible scenario for roster management.

They know the club doesn't want them and they can't get a better deal elsewhere. They'll do the bare minimum and milk the cow for all it's worth. Can't blame them. Any person would do the same and take advantage of the situation for their benefit.

I mean, they're highly paid to run around all week and keep fit. Dream job. And I doubt the other players look to them for leadership and motivation. So, they'll just take it as seriously as they have to until their contracts are up.

There’s expectations around this . To be apathetic and checked out , is natural and honestly expected
. But to leave at halftime , would be akin to one of us leaving early during a company meeting. Is it wrong ? No , not really ! If the State/ national manger finds out, then you are in a world of hurt . If not overtly then definitely in more subtle ways .
Why ? Because there are expectations that arnt laid out in any Manual or behaviour policy .
There are things like deny leave , not give good jobs to you, give you Friday afternoon crap jobs , and just generally make your life just a little bit harder than anybody else’s. It’s career suicide .

That’s what this is ! Career suicide

 

[Aesopian]

Did none of you learn from the 'Joey walkout to Canberra' that wasn't a walkout.

This is media sensationalism and you're falling for it hook line and sinker. Maybe wait till the club has it's proper say on the matter rather than taking the word of these scummy donut head journos...

If they did in fact leave early then so be it. Everyone knows these 2 aren't in the clubs long term plans, and both have been actively shopped around all year. They're surplus to requirements.

My only disappointment is that they didn't do anything worthy of contract termination. Maybe they should of stopped by the strippos on the way back then gotten into a fight in front of a kebab shop. Only for it all to be caught on camera... can only dream of such a scenario

In this case, the Journos reported something the players themselves admitted to the coach, that they bailed at half time.
Not sure what your saying tbh.
We all just disappointed as fans, because we tune in every week, some are members, some have Foxtel just to watch the games and support the team, we have not played finals football in what seems an eternity, while we all have our own views on what’s going at the club, we still support the team, and tune in every week.
But these guys who are on high dollars Can’t stuck around for the 80mins?
It’s pathetic.
Regardless if they weren’t required to be there, fact is, they showed up and they bailed on their team mates at half time when they were down.
As many have said, they should never play 1st grade for the tigers again.
Are they players we want to run out AFTER half time if we are losing? No.
They have shown No heart and no team spirit.

If you're not sure what I'm trying to say then read it again. I'm pretty clear. Most of what you said is irrelevant to my point.

Us fans have much higher standards than most players. We're emotionally invested. Majority of players are not. It's their job and some take it more seriously than others. What you and I think they should do means nothing.

These guys clearly aren't motivated because they know the club doesn't want them. But unfortunately that's not grounds to get rid of them. The long term deals they're on are the problem. Signing older players to big coin on lengthy deals creates this issues at all clubs if those players don't perform.

 

[Aesopian]

Did none of you mongs learn from the 'Joey walkout to Canberra' that wasn't a walkout.

This is media sensationalism and you're falling for it hook line and sinker. Maybe wait till the club has it's proper say on the matter rather than taking the word of these scummy donut head journos...

If they did in fact leave early then so be it. Everyone knows these 2 aren't in the clubs long term plans, and both have been actively shopped around all year. They're surplus to requirements.

My only disappointment is that they didn't do anything worthy of contract termination. Maybe they should of stopped by the strippos on the way back then gotten into a fight in front of a kebab shop. Only for it all to be caught on camera... can only dream of such a scenario

I don't agree with this sentiment. Sure we'd like to get rid of them. Sure the media have caused an issue.

At the same time these guys should have stayed. They are highly paid and should be doing everything they can to get into the top team.

What you and I think these guys should do is irrelevant. In the end it's just a job. Some take it more seriously than others.

Signing these 2 on long term deals has, you could say, allowed the situation to occur. Having highly paid non performing squad members is the worst possible scenario for roster management.

They know the club doesn't want them and they can't get a better deal elsewhere. They'll do the bare minimum and milk the cow for all it's worth. Can't blame them. Any person would do the same and take advantage of the situation for their benefit.

I mean, they're highly paid to run around all week and keep fit. Dream job. And I doubt the other players look to them for leadership and motivation. So, they'll just take it as seriously as they have to until their contracts are up.

There’s expectations around this . To be apathetic and checked out , is natural and honestly expected
. But to leave at halftime , would be akin to one of us leaving early during a company meeting. Is it wrong ? No , not really ! If the State/ national manger finds out, then you are in a world of hurt . If not overtly then definitely in more subtle ways .
Why ? Because there are expectations that arnt laid out in any Manual or behaviour policy .
There are things like deny leave , not give good jobs to you, give you Friday afternoon crap jobs , and just generally make your life just a little bit harder than anybody else’s. It’s career suicide .

That’s what this is ! Career suicide

Big difference is that average Joe's aren't on 4 year deals at their place of work. They're employees with certain expectations regarding performance. If they check out and consistently under perform then that's grounds for termination. At least there's a sense of motivation tto do what's asked of you.

Packer & Reynolds could ride the pine for 4 years and still get paid in full. Club couldn't terminate their contracts unless performance clauses were explicitly written into them. But then again, what player would agree to those terms.

They're both at the end anyway. Probs focusing on life after football and setting themselves up for it.

 

[Cairnstigers]

Zero Tackle
"Unlike Reynolds, Packer was named in Maguire’s 19-man side for the clash against the Sea Eagles, but reportedly left the game due to fears the cold weather could further damage his arthritic feet"

Grounds for forced retirement?

 

[Russell]

If this is true, and Madge seem to have confirmed it, it's really poor form.

it's an indication of just how invested these guys are in the team.

Madge has shrugged it off to the media but I reckon that privately he'll be fuming. I really hope he rips into them, but I guess we're never going to know.

Obviously can't terminate the contracts, I'm sure that they could fine each of them 25k. They could use the money to help give McIntyre a new contract and an upgrade.

 

[Nelson]

Did none of you mongs learn from the 'Joey walkout to Canberra' that wasn't a walkout.

This is media sensationalism and you're falling for it hook line and sinker. Maybe wait till the club has it's proper say on the matter rather than taking the word of these scummy donut head journos...

If they did in fact leave early then so be it. Everyone knows these 2 aren't in the clubs long term plans, and both have been actively shopped around all year. They're surplus to requirements.

My only disappointment is that they didn't do anything worthy of contract termination. Maybe they should of stopped by the strippos on the way back then gotten into a fight in front of a kebab shop. Only for it all to be caught on camera... can only dream of such a scenario

I don't agree with this sentiment. Sure we'd like to get rid of them. Sure the media have caused an issue.

At the same time these guys should have stayed. They are highly paid and should be doing everything they can to get into the top team.

What you and I think these guys should do is irrelevant. In the end it's just a job. Some take it more seriously than others.

Signing these 2 on long term deals has, you could say, allowed the situation to occur. Having highly paid non performing squad members is the worst possible scenario for roster management.

They know the club doesn't want them and they can't get a better deal elsewhere. They'll do the bare minimum and milk the cow for all it's worth. Can't blame them. Any person would do the same and take advantage of the situation for their benefit.

I mean, they're highly paid to run around all week and keep fit. Dream job. And I doubt the other players look to them for leadership and motivation. So, they'll just take it as seriously as they have to until their contracts are up.

Any person would do the same and take advantage of the situation? Ah no, they definitely would not. Not everyone has a crap attitude like these guys, some people actually have some self-respect and instead of kicking stones because they weren't getting picked would help out their team in whatever ways they could to justify their pay packet.

 

[TrueTiger]

Zero Tackle
"Unlike Reynolds, Packer was named in Maguire’s 19-man side for the clash against the Sea Eagles, but reportedly left the game due to fears the cold weather could further damage his arthritic feet"

Grounds for forced retirement?

This is what I said yesterday Reynolds was not required at Brooky at all,he turned up to show support and left at half time...
Packer was in the warm up and should have been there till the end,he should cop whats coming....

read the article and it makes it clearer...

 

[TrueTiger]

Seriously, they saw the media we copped last week, our club was again in turmoil, stories of factions amongst the playing group. There should have been a unified front last night, a show of togetherness, even if its fake. But these 3 couldn't even fake it, they showed no heart all commitment at all, this has actually turned me. Benji is done, needs to retire but I would now give him another year and play him no matter what in front of Reynolds, at least he is committed to his team and team mates. Those 3 have lost me completely.

Thats fine coshise and your entitled to have your say on anything...I have the right to do the same...if Reynolds wasnt required at Brookvale and still went when its his free time,, why should he be chastised like he has...he has a life and he could have been anywhere else but went and left at halftime...

Would your mate JR leave a Bulldogs game half way through ? His nickname is GRUB and that is what he is ! And not in a good way !

and you know him personally....I dont,wouldnt know if he would leave the dogs,but they got rid of him and we got him,doesnt mean he is wrong by leaving a game that he wasnt required to attend at all..

How old are you ?seriously ?do you not understand how teams work ?have a look at a roosters game. A golden state warriors game , a Manchester United game , New York yankees game . All elite systems and all whenever down the sidelines ,or dugouts has their injured or not playing squad players sitting in the background . Always. And when they’re not, they’re told to train with the u21s . If you can’t understand that universal philosophy about teams in general then you sir just do not get it .

When you grow up and do what I have done and been through what I have been through then you can lecture me about teams and loyalty....

For someone who has banged on relentlessly on here about "when you played the game" I must say I'm surprised at your attitude...

I dont bang on relentlessly Mark,I just dont support the crucifying of players who have maybe done the wrong thing in peoples eyes....I reckon I will wait until the club has spoken...I still will stand by the fact that Reynolds wasnt required at all at Brooky and went but left at halftime...if you read the lastest article Lee has said some of the squad members didnt turn up,but lets get stuck into the ones who were named...

the other part of the article refers to JR being a team player and supporter,highly regarded in the club....