Packer & Reynolds

[Telltails]

Could care less they didnt technically do anything wrong. I could also care less about what players like Brooks and Taylor think.

Culture is broken and those two blokes sticking up for Packer and Reynolds are part of the problem not part of the solution.

If a player attends a game as a spectator its just incredibly poor form to walk out on their team mates like that.

Ive sat with fans in tears after another flogging or a really tough loss. They didnt get up and leave. They sat through it.

These players all need to be moved on.


So you couldn't care less.

What people have to understand is that everything said on here in this thread is their opinion ,whether right or wrong....its up to the club to penalise them if they are in the wrong or BREECHED their contractual agreement anything we say is here say and emotional opinion..

And yes I couldnt careless if Reynolds left at halftime because he wasnt in the team that won and gave a fantastic result for us...he wasnt required at Brooky ...end of story...

Yiu couldn't care less that the player your sticking up for and claiming isn't getting a fair go, he couldn't care less how his team mates went in the 2nd half as he had better things to do

couldnt be bothered answering that Mark.get your brownie points elsewhere..he wasnt required to be there but went to show support and left after halftime,didnt have to at all but made some effort,he could of gone to the pub and no one would have known any better....

Weak as .... Your argument throughout this whole discussion has been weak as p

"couldn't be bothered answering that"
"so what?"
"so what"
"so what "

Be the player your team mates wanna play with... Or be the guy who bails at half time when it looks like his "mates" are doing it tough

Staunch ?

You have your opinion I have mine if you want to call me out for being weak as p,have alook at some of your posts over the years...look in the mirror before you judge...pot calling the kettle black mate,,

Your defence of Reynolds is admirable TT but not sure he deserves it. By all reports he and Packer have appologised for a lapse in judgement - acknowledging themselves the error - and for most part this club has done far more forJosh Reynolds than he ever will for us. He is really not worth you getting offside with people on here with whom you seem to have had long standing relationships with.

Yes your right Telltales,the point I really want to make to all those that want to tear up contracts,never to play in WTs colours again are all opinions...

what the club needs to do is become far more professional and outline what is expected when representing the club...they pay the big dollars so they must make regulations and rules that must be adhered to..
I really dont care if JR was here tommorrow or not...my main point was he was NOT required to be at Brooky at all.he went on his own volition,he left at halftime .so what its up to the club to determine the outcome...if he morally doesnt care then that is on him..however Madge backs him to be a great person on and off the field...

Reynolds seems to trade on being a good bloke but even good blokes can make mistakes. He may not of have breeched any rules but the general consensus seems to be that most expected better from him.

 

[TrueTiger]

Could care less they didnt technically do anything wrong. I could also care less about what players like Brooks and Taylor think.

Culture is broken and those two blokes sticking up for Packer and Reynolds are part of the problem not part of the solution.

If a player attends a game as a spectator its just incredibly poor form to walk out on their team mates like that.

Ive sat with fans in tears after another flogging or a really tough loss. They didnt get up and leave. They sat through it.

These players all need to be moved on.


So you couldn't care less.

What people have to understand is that everything said on here in this thread is their opinion ,whether right or wrong....its up to the club to penalise them if they are in the wrong or BREECHED their contractual agreement anything we say is here say and emotional opinion..

And yes I couldnt careless if Reynolds left at halftime because he wasnt in the team that won and gave a fantastic result for us...he wasnt required at Brooky ...end of story...

Yiu couldn't care less that the player your sticking up for and claiming isn't getting a fair go, he couldn't care less how his team mates went in the 2nd half as he had better things to do

couldnt be bothered answering that Mark.get your brownie points elsewhere..he wasnt required to be there but went to show support and left after halftime,didnt have to at all but made some effort,he could of gone to the pub and no one would have known any better....

Weak as .... Your argument throughout this whole discussion has been weak as p

"couldn't be bothered answering that"
"so what?"
"so what"
"so what "

Be the player your team mates wanna play with... Or be the guy who bails at half time when it looks like his "mates" are doing it tough

Staunch ?

You have your opinion I have mine if you want to call me out for being weak as p,have alook at some of your posts over the years...look in the mirror before you judge...pot calling the kettle black mate,,

Your defence of Reynolds is admirable TT but not sure he deserves it. By all reports he and Packer have appologised for a lapse in judgement - acknowledging themselves the error - and for most part this club has done far more forJosh Reynolds than he ever will for us. He is really not worth you getting offside with people on here with whom you seem to have had long standing relationships with.

Yes your right Telltales,the point I really want to make to all those that want to tear up contracts,never to play in WTs colours again are all opinions...

what the club needs to do is become far more professional and outline what is expected when representing the club...they pay the big dollars so they must make regulations and rules that must be adhered to..
I really dont care if JR was here tommorrow or not...my main point was he was NOT required to be at Brooky at all.he went on his own volition,he left at halftime .so what its up to the club to determine the outcome...if he morally doesnt care then that is on him..however Madge backs him to be a great person on and off the field...

Reynolds seems to trade on being a good bloke but even good blokes can make mistakes. He may not of have breeched any rules but the general consensus seems to be that most expected better from him.

Exactly right,most did expect better from him but he didnt do anything wrong from the clubs point of view and only people who do have angst against him must understand it is up to him how he wants to be viewed by the community..I was saying he didnt do anything wrong by turning up WHEN NOT required and leaving at halftime....
He played no part in the fantastic win we had,he didnt hurt,abuse anyone,he didnt do anything that would have to be dealt with by police...he left at halftime when he didnt have to be there at all,,,,,,

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Just my opinion, but I think it is terrible reflection of their attitude towards their team mates and obviously the coach.

And the excuse of "it's not technically a rule to stay" is also weak. Where else do they need to be that is more important than there work place? Packer was 19th man, so obviously could not possibly have any other plans.

I am very interested to know where they went. Home? Out together for a beer?

Surely it is part of the contract to attend team events (sponsors, charity etc) and would have to include games, unless permission is given prior.

Matty johns mentioned on his show, the under 20's had to stay and watch reserve grade and first grade without drinking when he was coming through at the knights. This is a sign of respect and solidarity.

I honestly could not see this happening at Melbourne or the roosters. It is an up yours to Madge. If you are not going to pick me, I'm not hanging around.

People saying its only minor and been blown out of proportion need to understand that culture, effort and team work is what drive successful clubs.

This has made me think of the All Black policy of cleaning the dressing room after games. Doesn't matter if you are Ritchie McCaw or a debutant. You stand by the rules and expectations of the club/team.

As I said earlier ...JR was not required at Brooky...he made his choice to go and support the team...he left at half time big deal,we left a bloke in our team for weeks while he tanked and you want to crucify a player for leaving the ground when not required to be there in the first place...please wake up to the real world...

Required or not, you should be supporting your team mates. I wouldnt have a problem with it if he didn't attend the game at all. But to leave at half time, when your team mates are facing adversity says it all really.

As much as I can't stand all the hysteria around sbw, the cameras have shown him sitting on the side line supporting his team mates, every game since he signed.

I wonder if he is required to be there by the roosters, or is there because he wants to be there?

Roosters know SBW will make them money by sitting on the sidelines....big difference....

Lol, so you would say he is required by the roosters to be there?

A bloke on virtually minimum wage, 3+ years out of the game is required to be on the side lines supporting him team mates, but a marquee signing trying to convince the coach he deserves another shot in first grade is NOT required?

This is about the difference in character between the 2.

I need to wake up to the real world? Classic

Yes you do SBW is a money making machine for what he has achieved over the years JR doesnt even come close...


Man you are not only missing the point, you are in a different postcode.

your opinion mate ....


Ok, lets take it out of the realm of opinion, into the world of facts and reality.

Do you think that the Roosters have written in SBW's contract or terms and conditions, a clause that says, if you are not playing you MUST sit through each game?

No I never said that,he is a money making machine who everybody knows for his controversial sporting prowess and abilities... by having him just sit on the sidelines will make you money because people know he will get out and play...have a look at the ratings for the footy the other night when he made his first game for 3 years...it tells how much interest he creates and politis has bagged some more money...


As i said, missing the point totally. Answer this simply. Why has SBW decided to sit in the grandstand during Roosters games he is not playing in?

ego and money...one day you will see it for what it is...


I see it exactly for what it is.

One day you will either answer my question without obfuscating....or get the point.

So......ego and money. Are you saying SBW is being paid specifically for sitting in the grandstand? A Condition in his contract?

Reynolds is being paid more than SBW, so surely he should be MORE entitled to sit the game out?

Answer directly.......why is SBW sitting the grandstand when he is not playing?

I would say its an expectation of the club....something our club hasnt outlined as such...

But that’s the thing mate . If the culture is strong , then the club doesn’t have to enforce those types of rules . It just happens . At weaker clubs we have 31 page debates about what is or isn’t indications of crap culture lol

 

[hsvjones]

As much as I hate to say it, buzz was right on 360 today. They all were.
It shouldn’t have happened
Hit with a feather afterwards
Shouldn’t put brooks and garner up to defend it
Should have been Pascoe and lee
Didn’t even set a rule following this
Leadership was bad from management

I agree what they did was a terrible look and shows the true character of them and that's why we are trying heaven and earth to move them on...

On 360 they were getting into Pascoe and Lee saying they hit them with a feather.. However take the perception out of all of this (real bad look I agree) and tell me what the club could of done ??
They did not break any contract and /or NRL rules so if they fired them or fined them they would be in court next week for unfair dismissal etc... The clubs hands are tied unless they had it in a contract so all we can do is give them a hard warning and update standards for any future type incidents.

Its disrespectful to your team mates, fans, sponsors especially for guys on 800k a year that do nothing. It also took away all the positive media we could of had for that incredible comeback against all odds.

 

[TrueTiger]

Just my opinion, but I think it is terrible reflection of their attitude towards their team mates and obviously the coach.

And the excuse of "it's not technically a rule to stay" is also weak. Where else do they need to be that is more important than there work place? Packer was 19th man, so obviously could not possibly have any other plans.

I am very interested to know where they went. Home? Out together for a beer?

Surely it is part of the contract to attend team events (sponsors, charity etc) and would have to include games, unless permission is given prior.

Matty johns mentioned on his show, the under 20's had to stay and watch reserve grade and first grade without drinking when he was coming through at the knights. This is a sign of respect and solidarity.

I honestly could not see this happening at Melbourne or the roosters. It is an up yours to Madge. If you are not going to pick me, I'm not hanging around.

People saying its only minor and been blown out of proportion need to understand that culture, effort and team work is what drive successful clubs.

This has made me think of the All Black policy of cleaning the dressing room after games. Doesn't matter if you are Ritchie McCaw or a debutant. You stand by the rules and expectations of the club/team.

As I said earlier ...JR was not required at Brooky...he made his choice to go and support the team...he left at half time big deal,we left a bloke in our team for weeks while he tanked and you want to crucify a player for leaving the ground when not required to be there in the first place...please wake up to the real world...

Required or not, you should be supporting your team mates. I wouldnt have a problem with it if he didn't attend the game at all. But to leave at half time, when your team mates are facing adversity says it all really.

As much as I can't stand all the hysteria around sbw, the cameras have shown him sitting on the side line supporting his team mates, every game since he signed.

I wonder if he is required to be there by the roosters, or is there because he wants to be there?

Roosters know SBW will make them money by sitting on the sidelines....big difference....

Lol, so you would say he is required by the roosters to be there?

A bloke on virtually minimum wage, 3+ years out of the game is required to be on the side lines supporting him team mates, but a marquee signing trying to convince the coach he deserves another shot in first grade is NOT required?

This is about the difference in character between the 2.

I need to wake up to the real world? Classic

Yes you do SBW is a money making machine for what he has achieved over the years JR doesnt even come close...


Man you are not only missing the point, you are in a different postcode.

your opinion mate ....


Ok, lets take it out of the realm of opinion, into the world of facts and reality.

Do you think that the Roosters have written in SBW's contract or terms and conditions, a clause that says, if you are not playing you MUST sit through each game?

No I never said that,he is a money making machine who everybody knows for his controversial sporting prowess and abilities... by having him just sit on the sidelines will make you money because people know he will get out and play...have a look at the ratings for the footy the other night when he made his first game for 3 years...it tells how much interest he creates and politis has bagged some more money...


As i said, missing the point totally. Answer this simply. Why has SBW decided to sit in the grandstand during Roosters games he is not playing in?

ego and money...one day you will see it for what it is...


I see it exactly for what it is.

One day you will either answer my question without obfuscating....or get the point.

So......ego and money. Are you saying SBW is being paid specifically for sitting in the grandstand? A Condition in his contract?

Reynolds is being paid more than SBW, so surely he should be MORE entitled to sit the game out?

Answer directly.......why is SBW sitting the grandstand when he is not playing?

I would say its an expectation of the club....something our club hasnt outlined as such...

But that’s the thing mate . If the culture is strong , then the club doesn’t have to enforce those types of rules . It just happens . At weaker clubs we have 31 page debates about what is or isn’t indications of crap culture lol

I agree with you we need culture change badly...lets look at the storm say,great roster,great coach,players want to be there a true winning culture...Us on the other hand,Players whiteanting coaches,players tanking and still remaining with the club for weeks,players betting on game outcomes,huge contractual agreements signed off by CEOs,players being offered ambassador roles and costing us heaps in fines...

And yet some want to crucify a player who wasnt required at a game but attended and left at halftime when he wasnt part of the 21 ...dont you see why I have been so agressive in my opinions.?

 

[Tiger5150]

Could care less they didnt technically do anything wrong. I could also care less about what players like Brooks and Taylor think.

Culture is broken and those two blokes sticking up for Packer and Reynolds are part of the problem not part of the solution.

If a player attends a game as a spectator its just incredibly poor form to walk out on their team mates like that.

Ive sat with fans in tears after another flogging or a really tough loss. They didnt get up and leave. They sat through it.

These players all need to be moved on.


So you couldn't care less.

What people have to understand is that everything said on here in this thread is their opinion ,whether right or wrong....its up to the club to penalise them if they are in the wrong or BREECHED their contractual agreement anything we say is here say and emotional opinion..

And yes I couldnt careless if Reynolds left at halftime because he wasnt in the team that won and gave a fantastic result for us...he wasnt required at Brooky ...end of story...

Yiu couldn't care less that the player your sticking up for and claiming isn't getting a fair go, he couldn't care less how his team mates went in the 2nd half as he had better things to do

couldnt be bothered answering that Mark.get your brownie points elsewhere..he wasnt required to be there but went to show support and left after halftime,didnt have to at all but made some effort,he could of gone to the pub and no one would have known any better....

Weak as .... Your argument throughout this whole discussion has been weak as p

"couldn't be bothered answering that"
"so what?"
"so what"
"so what "

Be the player your team mates wanna play with... Or be the guy who bails at half time when it looks like his "mates" are doing it tough

Staunch ?

You have your opinion I have mine if you want to call me out for being weak as p,have alook at some of your posts over the years...look in the mirror before you judge...pot calling the kettle black mate,,

Your defence of Reynolds is admirable TT but not sure he deserves it. By all reports he and Packer have appologised for a lapse in judgement - acknowledging themselves the error - and for most part this club has done far more forJosh Reynolds than he ever will for us. He is really not worth you getting offside with people on here with whom you seem to have had long standing relationships with.

Yes your right Telltales,the point I really want to make to all those that want to tear up contracts,never to play in WTs colours again are all opinions...

what the club needs to do is become far more professional and outline what is expected when representing the club...they pay the big dollars so they must make regulations and rules that must be adhered to..
I really dont care if JR was here tommorrow or not...my main point was he was NOT required to be at Brooky at all.he went on his own volition,he left at halftime .so what its up to the club to determine the outcome...if he morally doesnt care then that is on him..however Madge backs him to be a great person on and off the field...

***Reynolds seems to trade on being a good bloke*** but even good blokes can make mistakes. He may not of have breeched any rules but the general consensus seems to be that most expected better from him.

I wish he would trade on being a good player.

 

[Telltails]

Could care less they didnt technically do anything wrong. I could also care less about what players like Brooks and Taylor think.

Culture is broken and those two blokes sticking up for Packer and Reynolds are part of the problem not part of the solution.

If a player attends a game as a spectator its just incredibly poor form to walk out on their team mates like that.

Ive sat with fans in tears after another flogging or a really tough loss. They didnt get up and leave. They sat through it.

These players all need to be moved on.


So you couldn't care less.

What people have to understand is that everything said on here in this thread is their opinion ,whether right or wrong....its up to the club to penalise them if they are in the wrong or BREECHED their contractual agreement anything we say is here say and emotional opinion..

And yes I couldnt careless if Reynolds left at halftime because he wasnt in the team that won and gave a fantastic result for us...he wasnt required at Brooky ...end of story...

Yiu couldn't care less that the player your sticking up for and claiming isn't getting a fair go, he couldn't care less how his team mates went in the 2nd half as he had better things to do

couldnt be bothered answering that Mark.get your brownie points elsewhere..he wasnt required to be there but went to show support and left after halftime,didnt have to at all but made some effort,he could of gone to the pub and no one would have known any better....

Weak as .... Your argument throughout this whole discussion has been weak as p

"couldn't be bothered answering that"
"so what?"
"so what"
"so what "

Be the player your team mates wanna play with... Or be the guy who bails at half time when it looks like his "mates" are doing it tough

Staunch ?

You have your opinion I have mine if you want to call me out for being weak as p,have alook at some of your posts over the years...look in the mirror before you judge...pot calling the kettle black mate,,

Your defence of Reynolds is admirable TT but not sure he deserves it. By all reports he and Packer have appologised for a lapse in judgement - acknowledging themselves the error - and for most part this club has done far more forJosh Reynolds than he ever will for us. He is really not worth you getting offside with people on here with whom you seem to have had long standing relationships with.

Yes your right Telltales,the point I really want to make to all those that want to tear up contracts,never to play in WTs colours again are all opinions...

what the club needs to do is become far more professional and outline what is expected when representing the club...they pay the big dollars so they must make regulations and rules that must be adhered to..
I really dont care if JR was here tommorrow or not...my main point was he was NOT required to be at Brooky at all.he went on his own volition,he left at halftime .so what its up to the club to determine the outcome...if he morally doesnt care then that is on him..however Madge backs him to be a great person on and off the field...

***Reynolds seems to trade on being a good bloke*** but even good blokes can make mistakes. He may not of have breeched any rules but the general consensus seems to be that most expected better from him.

I wish he would trade on being a good player.

Don't we all.

 

[Tiger5150]

Could care less they didnt technically do anything wrong. I could also care less about what players like Brooks and Taylor think.

Culture is broken and those two blokes sticking up for Packer and Reynolds are part of the problem not part of the solution.

If a player attends a game as a spectator its just incredibly poor form to walk out on their team mates like that.

Ive sat with fans in tears after another flogging or a really tough loss. They didnt get up and leave. They sat through it.

These players all need to be moved on.


So you couldn't care less.

What people have to understand is that everything said on here in this thread is their opinion ,whether right or wrong....its up to the club to penalise them if they are in the wrong or BREECHED their contractual agreement anything we say is here say and emotional opinion..

And yes I couldnt careless if Reynolds left at halftime because he wasnt in the team that won and gave a fantastic result for us...he wasnt required at Brooky ...end of story...

Yiu couldn't care less that the player your sticking up for and claiming isn't getting a fair go, he couldn't care less how his team mates went in the 2nd half as he had better things to do

couldnt be bothered answering that Mark.get your brownie points elsewhere..he wasnt required to be there but went to show support and left after halftime,didnt have to at all but made some effort,he could of gone to the pub and no one would have known any better....

Weak as .... Your argument throughout this whole discussion has been weak as p

"couldn't be bothered answering that"
"so what?"
"so what"
"so what "

Be the player your team mates wanna play with... Or be the guy who bails at half time when it looks like his "mates" are doing it tough

Staunch ?

You have your opinion I have mine if you want to call me out for being weak as p,have alook at some of your posts over the years...look in the mirror before you judge...pot calling the kettle black mate,,

Your defence of Reynolds is admirable TT but not sure he deserves it. By all reports he and Packer have appologised for a lapse in judgement - acknowledging themselves the error - and for most part this club has done far more forJosh Reynolds than he ever will for us. He is really not worth you getting offside with people on here with whom you seem to have had long standing relationships with.

Yes your right Telltales,the point I really want to make to all those that want to tear up contracts,never to play in WTs colours again are all opinions...

what the club needs to do is become far more professional and outline what is expected when representing the club...they pay the big dollars so they must make regulations and rules that must be adhered to..
I really dont care if JR was here tommorrow or not...my main point was he was NOT required to be at Brooky at all.he went on his own volition,he left at halftime .so what its up to the club to determine the outcome...if he morally doesnt care then that is on him..however Madge backs him to be a great person on and off the field...

Reynolds seems to trade on being a good bloke but even good blokes can make mistakes. He may not of have breeched any rules but the general consensus seems to be that most expected better from him.

Exactly right,most did expect better from him but he didnt do anything wrong from the clubs point of view and only people who do have angst against him must understand it is up to him how he wants to be viewed by the community..I was saying he didnt do anything wrong by turning up WHEN NOT required and leaving at halftime....
He played no part in the fantastic win we had,he didnt hurt,abuse anyone,he didnt do anything that would have to be dealt with by police...he left at halftime when he didnt have to be there at all,,,,,,

This is why you are missing the point. No one is suggesting that he broke a club rule or broke any law.

Josh Reynolds attitude and level of professionalism, and his level of support for his teammates is such that he could not be bothered to wait another 40minutes to support his teammates and the club that pays him north of $800K a year and can see "nothing wrong" with leaving at that stage. This much is indisputable, even by you. This is the fact.

That this is his level of attitude and professionalism and support for his teammates at a time when he is supposedly fighting for his very career, cant get a run in one of the worst rosters in the comp and is supposedly showcasing his value to either our coach and club or prospective employers to save his livelihood and career, says it all. No amount of your defence or obfuscation can divert from this fact.

 

[cochise]

Just my opinion, but I think it is terrible reflection of their attitude towards their team mates and obviously the coach.

And the excuse of "it's not technically a rule to stay" is also weak. Where else do they need to be that is more important than there work place? Packer was 19th man, so obviously could not possibly have any other plans.

I am very interested to know where they went. Home? Out together for a beer?

Surely it is part of the contract to attend team events (sponsors, charity etc) and would have to include games, unless permission is given prior.

Matty johns mentioned on his show, the under 20's had to stay and watch reserve grade and first grade without drinking when he was coming through at the knights. This is a sign of respect and solidarity.

I honestly could not see this happening at Melbourne or the roosters. It is an up yours to Madge. If you are not going to pick me, I'm not hanging around.

People saying its only minor and been blown out of proportion need to understand that culture, effort and team work is what drive successful clubs.

This has made me think of the All Black policy of cleaning the dressing room after games. Doesn't matter if you are Ritchie McCaw or a debutant. You stand by the rules and expectations of the club/team.

As I said earlier ...JR was not required at Brooky...he made his choice to go and support the team...he left at half time big deal,we left a bloke in our team for weeks while he tanked and you want to crucify a player for leaving the ground when not required to be there in the first place...please wake up to the real world...

Required or not, you should be supporting your team mates. I wouldnt have a problem with it if he didn't attend the game at all. But to leave at half time, when your team mates are facing adversity says it all really.

As much as I can't stand all the hysteria around sbw, the cameras have shown him sitting on the side line supporting his team mates, every game since he signed.

I wonder if he is required to be there by the roosters, or is there because he wants to be there?

Roosters know SBW will make them money by sitting on the sidelines....big difference....

Lol, so you would say he is required by the roosters to be there?

A bloke on virtually minimum wage, 3+ years out of the game is required to be on the side lines supporting him team mates, but a marquee signing trying to convince the coach he deserves another shot in first grade is NOT required?

This is about the difference in character between the 2.

I need to wake up to the real world? Classic

Yes you do SBW is a money making machine for what he has achieved over the years JR doesnt even come close...


Man you are not only missing the point, you are in a different postcode.

your opinion mate ....


Ok, lets take it out of the realm of opinion, into the world of facts and reality.

Do you think that the Roosters have written in SBW's contract or terms and conditions, a clause that says, if you are not playing you MUST sit through each game?

No I never said that,he is a money making machine who everybody knows for his controversial sporting prowess and abilities... by having him just sit on the sidelines will make you money because people know he will get out and play...have a look at the ratings for the footy the other night when he made his first game for 3 years...it tells how much interest he creates and politis has bagged some more money...


As i said, missing the point totally. Answer this simply. Why has SBW decided to sit in the grandstand during Roosters games he is not playing in?

ego and money...one day you will see it for what it is...


I see it exactly for what it is.

One day you will either answer my question without obfuscating....or get the point.

So......ego and money. Are you saying SBW is being paid specifically for sitting in the grandstand? A Condition in his contract?

Reynolds is being paid more than SBW, so surely he should be MORE entitled to sit the game out?

Answer directly.......why is SBW sitting the grandstand when he is not playing?

I would say its an expectation of the club....something our club hasnt outlined as such...

But that’s the thing mate . If the culture is strong , then the club doesn’t have to enforce those types of rules . It just happens . At weaker clubs we have 31 page debates about what is or isn’t indications of crap culture lol

I agree with you we need culture change badly...lets look at the storm say,great roster,great coach,players want to be there a true winning culture...Us on the other hand,Players whiteanting coaches,players tanking and still remaining with the club for weeks,players betting on game outcomes,huge contractual agreements signed off by CEOs,players being offered ambassador roles and costing us heaps in fines...

And yet some want to crucify a player who wasnt required at a game but attended and left at halftime when he wasnt part of the 21 ...dont you see why I have been so agressive in my opinions.?

That is the issue mate, the fact we let players get away with all these little things like walking out on their team mates slowly eats away at the culture of the club and it eventual results in you developing the wrong type of people who do those things you mention.

 

[TrueTiger]

Just my opinion, but I think it is terrible reflection of their attitude towards their team mates and obviously the coach.

And the excuse of "it's not technically a rule to stay" is also weak. Where else do they need to be that is more important than there work place? Packer was 19th man, so obviously could not possibly have any other plans.

I am very interested to know where they went. Home? Out together for a beer?

Surely it is part of the contract to attend team events (sponsors, charity etc) and would have to include games, unless permission is given prior.

Matty johns mentioned on his show, the under 20's had to stay and watch reserve grade and first grade without drinking when he was coming through at the knights. This is a sign of respect and solidarity.

I honestly could not see this happening at Melbourne or the roosters. It is an up yours to Madge. If you are not going to pick me, I'm not hanging around.

People saying its only minor and been blown out of proportion need to understand that culture, effort and team work is what drive successful clubs.

This has made me think of the All Black policy of cleaning the dressing room after games. Doesn't matter if you are Ritchie McCaw or a debutant. You stand by the rules and expectations of the club/team.

As I said earlier ...JR was not required at Brooky...he made his choice to go and support the team...he left at half time big deal,we left a bloke in our team for weeks while he tanked and you want to crucify a player for leaving the ground when not required to be there in the first place...please wake up to the real world...

Required or not, you should be supporting your team mates. I wouldnt have a problem with it if he didn't attend the game at all. But to leave at half time, when your team mates are facing adversity says it all really.

As much as I can't stand all the hysteria around sbw, the cameras have shown him sitting on the side line supporting his team mates, every game since he signed.

I wonder if he is required to be there by the roosters, or is there because he wants to be there?

Roosters know SBW will make them money by sitting on the sidelines....big difference....

Lol, so you would say he is required by the roosters to be there?

A bloke on virtually minimum wage, 3+ years out of the game is required to be on the side lines supporting him team mates, but a marquee signing trying to convince the coach he deserves another shot in first grade is NOT required?

This is about the difference in character between the 2.

I need to wake up to the real world? Classic

Yes you do SBW is a money making machine for what he has achieved over the years JR doesnt even come close...


Man you are not only missing the point, you are in a different postcode.

your opinion mate ....


Ok, lets take it out of the realm of opinion, into the world of facts and reality.

Do you think that the Roosters have written in SBW's contract or terms and conditions, a clause that says, if you are not playing you MUST sit through each game?

No I never said that,he is a money making machine who everybody knows for his controversial sporting prowess and abilities... by having him just sit on the sidelines will make you money because people know he will get out and play...have a look at the ratings for the footy the other night when he made his first game for 3 years...it tells how much interest he creates and politis has bagged some more money...


As i said, missing the point totally. Answer this simply. Why has SBW decided to sit in the grandstand during Roosters games he is not playing in?

ego and money...one day you will see it for what it is...


I see it exactly for what it is.

One day you will either answer my question without obfuscating....or get the point.

So......ego and money. Are you saying SBW is being paid specifically for sitting in the grandstand? A Condition in his contract?

Reynolds is being paid more than SBW, so surely he should be MORE entitled to sit the game out?

Answer directly.......why is SBW sitting the grandstand when he is not playing?

I would say its an expectation of the club....something our club hasnt outlined as such...

But that’s the thing mate . If the culture is strong , then the club doesn’t have to enforce those types of rules . It just happens . At weaker clubs we have 31 page debates about what is or isn’t indications of crap culture lol

I agree with you we need culture change badly...lets look at the storm say,great roster,great coach,players want to be there a true winning culture...Us on the other hand,Players whiteanting coaches,players tanking and still remaining with the club for weeks,players betting on game outcomes,huge contractual agreements signed off by CEOs,players being offered ambassador roles and costing us heaps in fines...

And yet some want to crucify a player who wasnt required at a game but attended and left at halftime when he wasnt part of the 21 ...dont you see why I have been so agressive in my opinions.?

That is the issue mate, the fact we let players get away with all these little things like walking out on their team mates slowly eats away at the culture of the club and it eventual results in you developing the wrong type of people who do those things you mention.

cochise I dont for one minute slap JR on the back for what he did ,however in saying that he didnt do the wrong thing by the club as it stands...I have been agressively sticking up for the fact he wasnt required at Brooky at all that day but did turn up for the first half and left...we do need culture change badly and JR and Packer do see the fault in what they did...my main point is we have been such a rabble of a club and have had far worse things happen to us internally with such as I have mentioned .and yet everybody wants to condemn me for making light of what JR did on sat...it is bugger all and will be dealt with by the powers that be,,,we have far more problems than a bloke who cant be picked in the top 21 for a game leaving the game at halftime...do you see what my point has been...

 

[Lauren]

I also don't see how leaving the game at half time creates drama for or impacts the productivity of the team, so have no idea how it's considered toxic. Harbouring ill will toward players due to it and being vindictive to other posters though...

I love when this place is a medium for fans to converse or reflect on any significant club/team/fan issues but lately it's become a bit of receptacle for some unforgiving, over-sensitive and overbearing behaviour.
Because a media outlet is spreading the news of certain players people see red and wish to further ignite their own distaste, and that of others, of these players... on a place that already isn't feeling too optimistic about our year.
Some people are as transparent as Buzz and co. and are misplacing their outrage. It's well known that many don't want them at the club but to make an attempt to relate their behaviour to our club organisation, team culture, their commitment, professionalism and loyalty and whatever else is absurd. It's the biggest overreaction I've seen on the WTF and more a reflection of your own attitudes.
Sports journalists will always target the most reactive fans and you keep falling for it hook, line and sinker.

I care more about the current and future state of the team and love to discuss...and even debate  it. So please why torture yourselves by making a non-issue relevant. It doesn't even affect(hurt) us, the team or the club in the grand scheme of things.

BTW who even cares let alone knows, who the 19th and 20th men are for the Roosters or Storm on game day.

 

[TrueTiger]

Could care less they didnt technically do anything wrong. I could also care less about what players like Brooks and Taylor think.

Culture is broken and those two blokes sticking up for Packer and Reynolds are part of the problem not part of the solution.

If a player attends a game as a spectator its just incredibly poor form to walk out on their team mates like that.

Ive sat with fans in tears after another flogging or a really tough loss. They didnt get up and leave. They sat through it.

These players all need to be moved on.


So you couldn't care less.

What people have to understand is that everything said on here in this thread is their opinion ,whether right or wrong....its up to the club to penalise them if they are in the wrong or BREECHED their contractual agreement anything we say is here say and emotional opinion..

And yes I couldnt careless if Reynolds left at halftime because he wasnt in the team that won and gave a fantastic result for us...he wasnt required at Brooky ...end of story...

Yiu couldn't care less that the player your sticking up for and claiming isn't getting a fair go, he couldn't care less how his team mates went in the 2nd half as he had better things to do

couldnt be bothered answering that Mark.get your brownie points elsewhere..he wasnt required to be there but went to show support and left after halftime,didnt have to at all but made some effort,he could of gone to the pub and no one would have known any better....

Weak as .... Your argument throughout this whole discussion has been weak as p

"couldn't be bothered answering that"
"so what?"
"so what"
"so what "

Be the player your team mates wanna play with... Or be the guy who bails at half time when it looks like his "mates" are doing it tough

Staunch ?

You have your opinion I have mine if you want to call me out for being weak as p,have alook at some of your posts over the years...look in the mirror before you judge...pot calling the kettle black mate,,

Your defence of Reynolds is admirable TT but not sure he deserves it. By all reports he and Packer have appologised for a lapse in judgement - acknowledging themselves the error - and for most part this club has done far more forJosh Reynolds than he ever will for us. He is really not worth you getting offside with people on here with whom you seem to have had long standing relationships with.

Yes your right Telltales,the point I really want to make to all those that want to tear up contracts,never to play in WTs colours again are all opinions...

what the club needs to do is become far more professional and outline what is expected when representing the club...they pay the big dollars so they must make regulations and rules that must be adhered to..
I really dont care if JR was here tommorrow or not...my main point was he was NOT required to be at Brooky at all.he went on his own volition,he left at halftime .so what its up to the club to determine the outcome...if he morally doesnt care then that is on him..however Madge backs him to be a great person on and off the field...

Reynolds seems to trade on being a good bloke but even good blokes can make mistakes. He may not of have breeched any rules but the general consensus seems to be that most expected better from him.

Exactly right,most did expect better from him but he didnt do anything wrong from the clubs point of view and only people who do have angst against him must understand it is up to him how he wants to be viewed by the community..I was saying he didnt do anything wrong by turning up WHEN NOT required and leaving at halftime....
He played no part in the fantastic win we had,he didnt hurt,abuse anyone,he didnt do anything that would have to be dealt with by police...he left at halftime when he didnt have to be there at all,,,,,,


This is why you are missing the point. No one is suggesting that he broke a club rule or broke any law.

Josh Reynolds attitude and level of professionalism, and his level of support for his teammates is such that he could not be bothered to wait another 40minutes to support his teammates and the club that pays him north of $800K a year and can see "nothing wrong" with leaving at that stage. This much is indisputable, even by you. This is the fact.

That this is his level of attitude and professionalism and support for his teammates at a time when he is supposedly fighting for his very career, cant get a run in one of the worst rosters in the comp and is supposedly showcasing his value to either our coach and club or prospective employers to save his livelihood and career, says it all. No amount of your defence or obfuscation can divert from this fact.

Dont have to worry about my opinion 5150,Madge says they work very hard at training and the squad respect them highly...but I suppose a misdemenour on sat leaving the game is worth crucifying them and anyone who can see it for what it is compared to what other terrible things have happened over the years by players who are liked more than Reynolds is...Robbie comes to mind,whiteanting the coach,but is a club legend,Moses tanking it when still on contract and playing with us...I just think that in the public view JR did the wrong thing in many peoples opinion,in my opinion he didnt do anything wrong by the club,he may have in view of the public and their perspective and it may be morally wrong,but it is nowhere near as bad as others have done over our lifetime as a club ...

 

[the_third]

As much as I hate to say it, buzz was right on 360 today. They all were.
It shouldn’t have happened
Hit with a feather afterwards
Shouldn’t put brooks and garner up to defend it
Should have been Pascoe and lee
Didn’t even set a rule following this
Leadership was bad from management

I agree what they did was a terrible look and shows the true character of them and that's why we are trying heaven and earth to move them on...

On 360 they were getting into Pascoe and Lee saying they hit them with a feather.. However take the perception out of all of this (real bad look I agree) and tell me what the club could of done ??
They did not break any contract and /or NRL rules so if they fired them or fined them they would be in court next week for unfair dismissal etc... The clubs hands are tied unless they had it in a contract so all we can do is give them a hard warning and update standards for any future type incidents.

Its disrespectful to your team mates, fans, sponsors especially for guys on 800k a year that do nothing. It also took away all the positive media we could of had for that incredible comeback against all odds.

Agree with that. If there were no rules broken, make a statement that we expect players to attend all Syd year based games as a team.

Doing anything would be good. At least make a statement after the board meeting today.

It’s rare I agree with 369

 

[Telltails]

I also don't see how leaving the game at half time creates drama for or impacts the productivity of the team, so have no idea how it's considered toxic. Harbouring ill will toward players due to it and being vindictive to other posters though...

I love when this place is a medium for fans to converse or reflect on any significant club/team/fan issues but lately it's become a bit of receptacle for some unforgiving, over-sensitive and overbearing behaviour.
Because a media outlet is spreading the news of certain players people see red and wish to further ignite their own distaste, and that of others, of these players... on a place that already isn't feeling too optimistic about our year.
Some people are as transparent as Buzz and co. and are misplacing their outrage. It's well known that many don't want them at the club but to make an attempt to relate their behaviour to our club organisation, team culture, their commitment, professionalism and loyalty and whatever else is absurd. It's the biggest overreaction I've seen on the WTF and more a reflection of your own attitudes.
Sports journalists will always target the most reactive fans and you keep falling for it hook, line and sinker.

I care more about the current and future state of the team and love to discuss...and even debate  it. So please why torture yourselves by making a non-issue relevant. It doesn't even affect(hurt) us, the team or the club in the grand scheme of things.

BTW who even cares let alone knows, who the 19th and 20th men are for the Roosters or Storm on game day.

Cant agree Lauren. After the leak from the team meeting this week those two marquee players should have been there to support their team and demonstrate unity behind the club and coach. To walk out in view at half time- intentionally or not - it gave a platform for journos to back the speculation about division in the club and suggest that Maguire was fighting a losing battle in instilling a different culture.
When we are trying to attract players to the club these stories only had fuel to the perception that we havnt learned from past mistakes. It was poor form by Packer and Reynolds who are probably the only marquee players in any club who can't make the run on side.

 

[cochise]

Just my opinion, but I think it is terrible reflection of their attitude towards their team mates and obviously the coach.

And the excuse of "it's not technically a rule to stay" is also weak. Where else do they need to be that is more important than there work place? Packer was 19th man, so obviously could not possibly have any other plans.

I am very interested to know where they went. Home? Out together for a beer?

Surely it is part of the contract to attend team events (sponsors, charity etc) and would have to include games, unless permission is given prior.

Matty johns mentioned on his show, the under 20's had to stay and watch reserve grade and first grade without drinking when he was coming through at the knights. This is a sign of respect and solidarity.

I honestly could not see this happening at Melbourne or the roosters. It is an up yours to Madge. If you are not going to pick me, I'm not hanging around.

People saying its only minor and been blown out of proportion need to understand that culture, effort and team work is what drive successful clubs.

This has made me think of the All Black policy of cleaning the dressing room after games. Doesn't matter if you are Ritchie McCaw or a debutant. You stand by the rules and expectations of the club/team.

As I said earlier ...JR was not required at Brooky...he made his choice to go and support the team...he left at half time big deal,we left a bloke in our team for weeks while he tanked and you want to crucify a player for leaving the ground when not required to be there in the first place...please wake up to the real world...

Required or not, you should be supporting your team mates. I wouldnt have a problem with it if he didn't attend the game at all. But to leave at half time, when your team mates are facing adversity says it all really.

As much as I can't stand all the hysteria around sbw, the cameras have shown him sitting on the side line supporting his team mates, every game since he signed.

I wonder if he is required to be there by the roosters, or is there because he wants to be there?

Roosters know SBW will make them money by sitting on the sidelines....big difference....

Lol, so you would say he is required by the roosters to be there?

A bloke on virtually minimum wage, 3+ years out of the game is required to be on the side lines supporting him team mates, but a marquee signing trying to convince the coach he deserves another shot in first grade is NOT required?

This is about the difference in character between the 2.

I need to wake up to the real world? Classic

Yes you do SBW is a money making machine for what he has achieved over the years JR doesnt even come close...


Man you are not only missing the point, you are in a different postcode.

your opinion mate ....


Ok, lets take it out of the realm of opinion, into the world of facts and reality.

Do you think that the Roosters have written in SBW's contract or terms and conditions, a clause that says, if you are not playing you MUST sit through each game?

No I never said that,he is a money making machine who everybody knows for his controversial sporting prowess and abilities... by having him just sit on the sidelines will make you money because people know he will get out and play...have a look at the ratings for the footy the other night when he made his first game for 3 years...it tells how much interest he creates and politis has bagged some more money...


As i said, missing the point totally. Answer this simply. Why has SBW decided to sit in the grandstand during Roosters games he is not playing in?

ego and money...one day you will see it for what it is...


I see it exactly for what it is.

One day you will either answer my question without obfuscating....or get the point.

So......ego and money. Are you saying SBW is being paid specifically for sitting in the grandstand? A Condition in his contract?

Reynolds is being paid more than SBW, so surely he should be MORE entitled to sit the game out?

Answer directly.......why is SBW sitting the grandstand when he is not playing?

I would say its an expectation of the club....something our club hasnt outlined as such...

But that’s the thing mate . If the culture is strong , then the club doesn’t have to enforce those types of rules . It just happens . At weaker clubs we have 31 page debates about what is or isn’t indications of crap culture lol

I agree with you we need culture change badly...lets look at the storm say,great roster,great coach,players want to be there a true winning culture...Us on the other hand,Players whiteanting coaches,players tanking and still remaining with the club for weeks,players betting on game outcomes,huge contractual agreements signed off by CEOs,players being offered ambassador roles and costing us heaps in fines...

And yet some want to crucify a player who wasnt required at a game but attended and left at halftime when he wasnt part of the 21 ...dont you see why I have been so agressive in my opinions.?

That is the issue mate, the fact we let players get away with all these little things like walking out on their team mates slowly eats away at the culture of the club and it eventual results in you developing the wrong type of people who do those things you mention.

cochise I dont for one minute slap JR on the back for what he did ,however in saying that he didnt do the wrong thing by the club as it stands...I have been agressively sticking up for the fact he wasnt required at Brooky at all that day but did turn up for the first half and left...we do need culture change badly and JR and Packer do see the fault in what they did...my main point is we have been such a rabble of a club and have had far worse things happen to us internally with such as I have mentioned .and yet everybody wants to condemn me for making light of what JR did on sat...it is bugger all and will be dealt with by the powers that be,,,we have far more problems than a bloke who cant be picked in the top 21 for a game leaving the game at halftime...do you see what my point has been...

Understand that mate, to me it is these little things that show that culture we are looking for is lacking, these are issues throughout the club and they lead to those larger problems we have.

 

[Chaos]

Just my opinion, but I think it is terrible reflection of their attitude towards their team mates and obviously the coach.

And the excuse of "it's not technically a rule to stay" is also weak. Where else do they need to be that is more important than there work place? Packer was 19th man, so obviously could not possibly have any other plans.

I am very interested to know where they went. Home? Out together for a beer?

Surely it is part of the contract to attend team events (sponsors, charity etc) and would have to include games, unless permission is given prior.

Matty johns mentioned on his show, the under 20's had to stay and watch reserve grade and first grade without drinking when he was coming through at the knights. This is a sign of respect and solidarity.

I honestly could not see this happening at Melbourne or the roosters. It is an up yours to Madge. If you are not going to pick me, I'm not hanging around.

People saying its only minor and been blown out of proportion need to understand that culture, effort and team work is what drive successful clubs.

This has made me think of the All Black policy of cleaning the dressing room after games. Doesn't matter if you are Ritchie McCaw or a debutant. You stand by the rules and expectations of the club/team.

As I said earlier ...JR was not required at Brooky...he made his choice to go and support the team...he left at half time big deal,we left a bloke in our team for weeks while he tanked and you want to crucify a player for leaving the ground when not required to be there in the first place...please wake up to the real world...

Required or not, you should be supporting your team mates. I wouldnt have a problem with it if he didn't attend the game at all. But to leave at half time, when your team mates are facing adversity says it all really.

As much as I can't stand all the hysteria around sbw, the cameras have shown him sitting on the side line supporting his team mates, every game since he signed.

I wonder if he is required to be there by the roosters, or is there because he wants to be there?

Roosters know SBW will make them money by sitting on the sidelines....big difference....

Lol, so you would say he is required by the roosters to be there?

A bloke on virtually minimum wage, 3+ years out of the game is required to be on the side lines supporting him team mates, but a marquee signing trying to convince the coach he deserves another shot in first grade is NOT required?

This is about the difference in character between the 2.

I need to wake up to the real world? Classic

Yes you do SBW is a money making machine for what he has achieved over the years JR doesnt even come close...


Man you are not only missing the point, you are in a different postcode.

your opinion mate ....


Ok, lets take it out of the realm of opinion, into the world of facts and reality.

Do you think that the Roosters have written in SBW's contract or terms and conditions, a clause that says, if you are not playing you MUST sit through each game?

No I never said that,he is a money making machine who everybody knows for his controversial sporting prowess and abilities... by having him just sit on the sidelines will make you money because people know he will get out and play...have a look at the ratings for the footy the other night when he made his first game for 3 years...it tells how much interest he creates and politis has bagged some more money...


As i said, missing the point totally. Answer this simply. Why has SBW decided to sit in the grandstand during Roosters games he is not playing in?

ego and money...one day you will see it for what it is...


I see it exactly for what it is.

One day you will either answer my question without obfuscating....or get the point.

So......ego and money. Are you saying SBW is being paid specifically for sitting in the grandstand? A Condition in his contract?

Reynolds is being paid more than SBW, so surely he should be MORE entitled to sit the game out?

Answer directly.......why is SBW sitting the grandstand when he is not playing?

I would say its an expectation of the club....something our club hasnt outlined as such...

But that’s the thing mate . If the culture is strong , then the club doesn’t have to enforce those types of rules . It just happens . At weaker clubs we have 31 page debates about what is or isn’t indications of crap culture lol

I agree with you we need culture change badly...lets look at the storm say,great roster,great coach,players want to be there a true winning culture...Us on the other hand,Players whiteanting coaches,players tanking and still remaining with the club for weeks,players betting on game outcomes,huge contractual agreements signed off by CEOs,players being offered ambassador roles and costing us heaps in fines...

And yet some want to crucify a player who wasnt required at a game but attended and left at halftime when he wasnt part of the 21 ...dont you see why I have been so agressive in my opinions.?

That is the issue mate, the fact we let players get away with all these little things like walking out on their team mates slowly eats away at the culture of the club and it eventual results in you developing the wrong type of people who do those things you mention.

cochise I dont for one minute slap JR on the back for what he did ,however in saying that he didnt do the wrong thing by the club as it stands...I have been agressively sticking up for the fact he wasnt required at Brooky at all that day but did turn up for the first half and left...we do need culture change badly and JR and Packer do see the fault in what they did...my main point is we have been such a rabble of a club and have had far worse things happen to us internally with such as I have mentioned .and yet everybody wants to condemn me for making light of what JR did on sat...it is bugger all and will be dealt with by the powers that be,,,we have far more problems than a bloke who cant be picked in the top 21 for a game leaving the game at halftime...do you see what my point has been...

Why stress a point that no one is debating? We all know he wasn’t required to attend, the fact he did attend and left is what the issue is, it’s sad you can’t see that.
Perhaps change your forum username?
A True Tiger fan would know what we all are saying.
It’s not a matter of opinion, it’s a matter of morals.

If I go to my daughters ( Year 4 ) school play and she is terrible it’s all good if I leave half way through? Even though the wife said I didn’t have to go?
The moral ground is to stick around and support the good and the bad, if you can’t do that then don’t show up at all.

 

[Lauren]

I also don't see how leaving the game at half time creates drama for or impacts the productivity of the team, so have no idea how it's considered toxic. Harbouring ill will toward players due to it and being vindictive to other posters though...

I love when this place is a medium for fans to converse or reflect on any significant club/team/fan issues but lately it's become a bit of receptacle for some unforgiving, over-sensitive and overbearing behaviour.
Because a media outlet is spreading the news of certain players people see red and wish to further ignite their own distaste, and that of others, of these players... on a place that already isn't feeling too optimistic about our year.
Some people are as transparent as Buzz and co. and are misplacing their outrage. It's well known that many don't want them at the club but to make an attempt to relate their behaviour to our club organisation, team culture, their commitment, professionalism and loyalty and whatever else is absurd. It's the biggest overreaction I've seen on the WTF and more a reflection of your own attitudes.
Sports journalists will always target the most reactive fans and you keep falling for it hook, line and sinker.

I care more about the current and future state of the team and love to discuss...and even debate  it. So please why torture yourselves by making a non-issue relevant. It doesn't even affect(hurt) us, the team or the club in the grand scheme of things.

BTW who even cares let alone knows, who the 19th and 20th men are for the Roosters or Storm on game day.

Cant agree Lauren. After the leak from the team meeting this week those two marquee players should have been there to support their team and demonstrate unity behind the club and coach. To walk out in view at half time- intentionally or not - it gave a platform for journos to back the speculation about division in the club and suggest that Maguire was fighting a losing battle in instilling a different culture.
When we are trying to attract players to the club these stories only had fuel to the perception that we havnt learned from past mistakes. It was poor form by Packer and Reynolds who are probably the only marquee players in any club who can't make the run on side.

I understand the importance of unity for the team's culture however what they did had no bearing on team harmony whatsoever - players said they were unfazed by it.
That's all that should matter.
Plus Madge is the only person with a right to question their conduct(in relation to building the team's culture) as we can only realistically gauge their team cohesion from their onfield performances as a playing group.

The media reports are what's ruffling feathers and unfortunately it's out of the club's control. We (the club) just happen to be easy targets.

 

[4jtigers]

And it's still going lol... much ado about nothing... just leave it to them who they have to answer to... we are all adults and they've been spoken to... I like the way how WT handled it... "we accepted their apology and now we move on, what can we put on paper now so it doesn't happen again in future"

 

[innsaneink]

I also don't see how leaving the game at half time creates drama for or impacts the productivity of the team, so have no idea how it's considered toxic. Harbouring ill will toward players due to it and being vindictive to other posters though...

I love when this place is a medium for fans to converse or reflect on any significant club/team/fan issues but lately it's become a bit of receptacle for some unforgiving, over-sensitive and overbearing behaviour.
Because a media outlet is spreading the news of certain players people see red and wish to further ignite their own distaste, and that of others, of these players... on a place that already isn't feeling too optimistic about our year.
Some people are as transparent as Buzz and co. and are misplacing their outrage. It's well known that many don't want them at the club but to make an attempt to relate their behaviour to our club organisation, team culture, their commitment, professionalism and loyalty and whatever else is absurd. It's the biggest overreaction I've seen on the WTF and more a reflection of your own attitudes.
Sports journalists will always target the most reactive fans and you keep falling for it hook, line and sinker.

I care more about the current and future state of the team and love to discuss...and even debate  it. So please why torture yourselves by making a non-issue relevant. It doesn't even affect(hurt) us, the team or the club in the grand scheme of things.

BTW who even cares let alone knows, who the 19th and 20th men are for the Roosters or Storm on game day.

Cant agree Lauren. After the leak from the team meeting this week those two marquee players should have been there to support their team and demonstrate unity behind the club and coach. To walk out in view at half time- intentionally or not - it gave a platform for journos to back the speculation about division in the club and suggest that Maguire was fighting a losing battle in instilling a different culture.
When we are trying to attract players to the club these stories only had fuel to the perception that we havnt learned from past mistakes. It was poor form by Packer and Reynolds who are probably the only marquee players in any club who can't make the run on side.

I understand the importance of unity for the team's culture however what they did had no bearing on team harmony whatsoever - players said they were unfazed by it.
That's all that should matter.
Plus Madge is the only person with a right to question their conduct(in relation to building the team's culture) as we can only realistically gauge their team cohesion from their onfield performances as a playing group.

The media reports are what's ruffling feathers and unfortunately it's out of the club's control. We (the club) just happen to be easy targets.

Sorry.
You don't know what you're talking about either.
Easy to see why the club issues spin... Many swallow it

 

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Just my opinion, but I think it is terrible reflection of their attitude towards their team mates and obviously the coach.

And the excuse of "it's not technically a rule to stay" is also weak. Where else do they need to be that is more important than there work place? Packer was 19th man, so obviously could not possibly have any other plans.

I am very interested to know where they went. Home? Out together for a beer?

Surely it is part of the contract to attend team events (sponsors, charity etc) and would have to include games, unless permission is given prior.

Matty johns mentioned on his show, the under 20's had to stay and watch reserve grade and first grade without drinking when he was coming through at the knights. This is a sign of respect and solidarity.

I honestly could not see this happening at Melbourne or the roosters. It is an up yours to Madge. If you are not going to pick me, I'm not hanging around.

People saying its only minor and been blown out of proportion need to understand that culture, effort and team work is what drive successful clubs.

This has made me think of the All Black policy of cleaning the dressing room after games. Doesn't matter if you are Ritchie McCaw or a debutant. You stand by the rules and expectations of the club/team.

As I said earlier ...JR was not required at Brooky...he made his choice to go and support the team...he left at half time big deal,we left a bloke in our team for weeks while he tanked and you want to crucify a player for leaving the ground when not required to be there in the first place...please wake up to the real world...

Required or not, you should be supporting your team mates. I wouldnt have a problem with it if he didn't attend the game at all. But to leave at half time, when your team mates are facing adversity says it all really.

As much as I can't stand all the hysteria around sbw, the cameras have shown him sitting on the side line supporting his team mates, every game since he signed.

I wonder if he is required to be there by the roosters, or is there because he wants to be there?

Roosters know SBW will make them money by sitting on the sidelines....big difference....

Lol, so you would say he is required by the roosters to be there?

A bloke on virtually minimum wage, 3+ years out of the game is required to be on the side lines supporting him team mates, but a marquee signing trying to convince the coach he deserves another shot in first grade is NOT required?

This is about the difference in character between the 2.

I need to wake up to the real world? Classic

Yes you do SBW is a money making machine for what he has achieved over the years JR doesnt even come close...


Man you are not only missing the point, you are in a different postcode.

your opinion mate ....


Ok, lets take it out of the realm of opinion, into the world of facts and reality.

Do you think that the Roosters have written in SBW's contract or terms and conditions, a clause that says, if you are not playing you MUST sit through each game?

No I never said that,he is a money making machine who everybody knows for his controversial sporting prowess and abilities... by having him just sit on the sidelines will make you money because people know he will get out and play...have a look at the ratings for the footy the other night when he made his first game for 3 years...it tells how much interest he creates and politis has bagged some more money...


As i said, missing the point totally. Answer this simply. Why has SBW decided to sit in the grandstand during Roosters games he is not playing in?

ego and money...one day you will see it for what it is...


I see it exactly for what it is.

One day you will either answer my question without obfuscating....or get the point.

So......ego and money. Are you saying SBW is being paid specifically for sitting in the grandstand? A Condition in his contract?

Reynolds is being paid more than SBW, so surely he should be MORE entitled to sit the game out?

Answer directly.......why is SBW sitting the grandstand when he is not playing?

I would say its an expectation of the club....something our club hasnt outlined as such...

But that’s the thing mate . If the culture is strong , then the club doesn’t have to enforce those types of rules . It just happens . At weaker clubs we have 31 page debates about what is or isn’t indications of crap culture lol

I agree with you we need culture change badly...lets look at the storm say,great roster,great coach,players want to be there a true winning culture...Us on the other hand,Players whiteanting coaches,players tanking and still remaining with the club for weeks,players betting on game outcomes,huge contractual agreements signed off by CEOs,players being offered ambassador roles and costing us heaps in fines...

And yet some want to crucify a player who wasnt required at a game but attended and left at halftime when he wasnt part of the 21 ...dont you see why I have been so agressive in my opinions.?

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You making out there was no condemnation or criticism of all those other points you mentioned... pffft
There was plenty

They didn't support their mates... Don't know why you can't see that and why it is part of the big picture