Parramatta Cap Investigation..

@WestsSupporter said:
Anyone who tries to compare this to Bulldogs of 02 or Storm of 10, it's apples and oranges.

Bulldogs were like…2m over the cap. People went to jail their crime was so severe.
Storm cheated the cap for like 7-8 years. A second set of books is an absolutely malicious crime.
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Storm was also owned by News Ltd who also owned 50% of the game. Amazing that NO ONE at News Ltd had any idea about what was happening at the Storm….I guess it was all down to one mastermind "rat" that created a systematic cheating system and kept it completely hidden. Corporate governance.....pfft.
 
@wd in perth said:
Maybe they should just have to drop from their list the last player(s) signed to get under the cap. Then the player could sue them directly. Messy, but would get the job done. That'd be Jennings right? :laughing:
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If your team's rich, this is a bloody amazing get of jail card. Drop the player, ask him to "sue" you, pay him what he's owed plus probably a little more, player gone without salary cap damaged.

But I'm no lawyer so the above definitely won't work.
 
@WestsSupporter said:
@wd in perth said:
Maybe they should just have to drop from their list the last player(s) signed to get under the cap. Then the player could sue them directly. Messy, but would get the job done. That'd be Jennings right? :laughing:

If your team's rich, this is a bloody amazing get of jail card. Drop the player, ask him to "sue" you, pay him what he's owed plus probably a little more, player gone without salary cap damaged.

But I'm no lawyer so the above definitely won't work.
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But the other fine and loss of points would remain. Just have to offload players without selecting the best fit for their clubs situation.
 
@WestsSupporter said:
@wd in perth said:
Maybe they should just have to drop from their list the last player(s) signed to get under the cap. Then the player could sue them directly. Messy, but would get the job done. That'd be Jennings right? :laughing:

If your team's rich, this is a bloody amazing get of jail card. Drop the player, ask him to "sue" you, pay him what he's owed plus probably a little more, player gone without salary cap damaged.

But I'm no lawyer so the above definitely won't work.
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Nice idea, but doesn't work. I am no lawyer either, but the player would be suing for a breach of contract, a contract that was agreed between player and club and registered with the NRL. The courts would just be enforcing the contract. Hence, the settlement still comes under the cap.
 
@happy tiger said:
One question for one person

Fade to Black

Does everyone in the Parra organization get the same treatment that you have given the Melbourne organization ??
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One answer for one person.

Happy

Not a chance coz I hate the Storm more. Don't let it keep you awake tonight though.
 
Apparently if Parra can talk Watmough into retiring he will receive his remaining contract money under the insurance policy that pays out blokes who have to retire through injury and then they will immediately be available to play for competition points as of the next game in a fortnight- what a friggin joke that is.
I wonder if Taniela, Dwyer etc got this same insurance payout and if so did their contracts cease to come off WT salary cap for the remaining years left on their WT contract?
Don't tell me the NRL haven't carefully planned all along to hand their punishment down this representative bye weekend in order to enable Parra to sort their mess out in time for their next game in a fortnight…...keep those paying fans coming through the turnstiles and lining the NRL's pockets.
 
@Cultured Bogan said:
On the 12 point penalty, and I know this won't be popular, if they were cap compliant this year I wouldn't have had an issue with them being docked the points with some slim hope of making the finals.

However by all reports they aren't and it is a weak penalty if that is the case, they should not be allowed to accrue points at all, and be forced to shed players to become cap compliant. I hate Pawwa almost as much as I hate Easts, but it really just does suck for their fans who will be urged ad nauseam to shell out their hard earned and continue to turn up when they're buckleys chance to reach the finals from here.
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If I had paid for a supporters membership I would be asking for my money back. No doubt we will get the poor us from Parra management and then urging fans to turn up to games in protest. I hope the fans are a lot smarter than that and stay away in protest against diabolical management.
 
@Fade To Black said:
Apparently if Parra can talk Watmough into retiring he will receive his remaining contract money under the insurance policy that pays out blokes who have to retire through injury and then they will immediately be available to play for competition points as of the next game in a fortnight- what a friggin joke that is.
I wonder if Taniela, Dwyer etc got this same insurance payout and if so did their contracts cease to come off WT salary cap for the remaining years left on their WT contract?
Don't tell me the NRL haven't carefully planned all along to hand their punishment down this representative bye weekend in order to enable Parra to sort their mess out in time for their next game in a fortnight…...keep those paying fans coming through the turnstiles and lining the NRL's pockets.
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I don't doubt what you say but surely the NRL wouldn't allow them to use that loophole to get out of the mess they're in. Fans from other clubs would be up in arms. And if they do allow it other clubs will be using this to go over the cap. We could use it on Robbies contract next year. Pay him out of insurance money - goes to England and has a miraculous recovery to play in ESL.
 
My boss is a massive Parra fan and spent most of today sulking….which was fun to watch.

We were talking about the whole fiasco with the Parra salary cap and everyone put in their two cents on the matter as you do. Everyone brought up the other clubs who've been caught too and compared their punishments.

Some people thought Parra got hammered too hard (my boss) and others thought it wasn't enough and/or were simply stirring the pot (me + ten others). We got to talking punishments and this is where I wanted to see what you knowledgeable folk think?

My opinion doesn't count for much and will likely never happen, but most of the guys at work tended to agree with something I mentioned so to hell with it I'll give it a crack on here because it certainly created some decent debate.

If the NRL want to use my idea, we'll talk financials as I called first dibs. Under the table payments are fine in this case.

SO here it is...I think that all points during the regular season should be reversed to the team who played the team that was caught cheating. So their points from the wins for the year go to the teams they beat. If for example Parra plays next week and are actually under the cap then they are then eligible for points.

My reasoning is because of this....now this is a huge hypothetical and plenty of wishful thinking, but let's say the Tigers finish the season on 28 points and our for and against was good enough to knock someone out of eight. We needed 30 to make the finals. The loss we had to the "cheating" team cost us that chance.

Yeah, I know we should've won anyway and I've taken that on board too and there's always the chance we wouldn't have won against a Parra team with a squad under the cap anyway and you have to take that into consideration. But it is what it is and the only fact is they cheated the cap with a team that shouldn't have been on the park and it cost us and others a potential win should it have been an even playing field.

Now I know that Parra cheated the cap and still aren't the best team, in fact collected some spoon silverware whilst they were doing it and were building a collection similar to my nans. That's the really funny part. However, 2 points is important in this day and age and we've seen teams miss out on finals at the back end of seasons because of it.

Sure, they lose their points, get a fine and have to start again, cool. Sure, the players probably didn't know it was going on in the first place and I feel for them. It was likely just the office jockeys pulling the strings, but how does that help the teams who've already played the cheats and missed 2 points?

Moving forward, other teams that haven't played Parra yet are likely to have a much easier team to beat then we or others did. They'd be a different team without a few of Foran, Scott, Gordon, Jennings, etc.

The benefit should go to the clubs they've played which will return their points balance to zero.

:righton:
 
Then the teams who actually beat them fair and square would whinge that they got no benefit out of beating them - they could have rested all their top line players, lost and still got the points.
 
@tigertye said:
My boss is a massive Parra fan and spent most of today sulking….which was fun to watch.

We were talking about the whole fiasco with the Parra salary cap and everyone put in their two cents on the matter as you do. Everyone brought up the other clubs who've been caught too and compared their punishments.

Some people thought Parra got hammered too hard (my boss) and others thought it wasn't enough and/or were simply stirring the pot (me + ten others). We got to talking punishments and this is where I wanted to see what you knowledgeable folk think?

My opinion doesn't count for much and will likely never happen, but most of the guys at work tended to agree with something I mentioned so to hell with it I'll give it a crack on here because it certainly created some decent debate.

If the NRL want to use my idea, we'll talk financials as I called first dibs. Under the table payments are fine in this case.

SO here it is...I think that all points during the regular season should be reversed to the team who played the team that was caught cheating. So their points from the wins for the year go to the teams they beat. If for example Parra plays next week and are actually under the cap then they are then eligible for points.

My reasoning is because of this....now this is a huge hypothetical and plenty of wishful thinking, but let's say the Tigers finish the season on 28 points and our for and against was good enough to knock someone out of eight. We needed 30 to make the finals. The loss we had to the "cheating" team cost us that chance.

Yeah, I know we should've won anyway and I've taken that on board too and there's always the chance we wouldn't have won against a Parra team with a squad under the cap anyway and you have to take that into consideration. But it is what it is and the only fact is they cheated the cap with a team that shouldn't have been on the park and it cost us and others a potential win should it have been an even playing field.

Now I know that Parra cheated the cap and still aren't the best team, in fact collected some spoon silverware whilst they were doing it and were building a collection similar to my nans. That's the really funny part. However, 2 points is important in this day and age and we've seen teams miss out on finals at the back end of seasons because of it.

Sure, they lose their points, get a fine and have to start again, cool. Sure, the players probably didn't know it was going on in the first place and I feel for them. It was likely just the office jockeys pulling the strings, but how does that help the teams who've already played the cheats and missed 2 points?

Moving forward, other teams that haven't played Parra yet are likely to have a much easier team to beat then we or others did. They'd be a different team without a few of Foran, Scott, Gordon, Jennings, etc.

The benefit should go to the clubs they've played which will return their points balance to zero.

:righton:
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Then you're just favouring the teams that have already played them by basically giving them a free bye round. What about the for and against? What about the teams that actually beat them while they were playing over the cap? Do they get no advantage?

I don't feel cheated on behalf of our club. We lost to them but we could've beaten them on the day. We should've just played better.
 
Disagree. It essentially makes Parra an extra bye.
This would be unfair as some teams play them twice while others play them once.
 
Teams would complain that we got free points, if they had played them earlier they would have got the points.

Doesn't work, dogs would also get 4 points whilst others get none.
 
@diedpretty said:
@Fade To Black said:
Apparently if Parra can talk Watmough into retiring he will receive his remaining contract money under the insurance policy that pays out blokes who have to retire through injury and then they will immediately be available to play for competition points as of the next game in a fortnight- what a friggin joke that is.
I wonder if Taniela, Dwyer etc got this same insurance payout and if so did their contracts cease to come off WT salary cap for the remaining years left on their WT contract?
Don't tell me the NRL haven't carefully planned all along to hand their punishment down this representative bye weekend in order to enable Parra to sort their mess out in time for their next game in a fortnight…...keep those paying fans coming through the turnstiles and lining the NRL's pockets.

I don't doubt what you say but surely the NRL wouldn't allow them to use that loophole to get out of the mess they're in. Fans from other clubs would be up in arms. And if they do allow it other clubs will be using this to go over the cap. We could use it on Robbies contract next year. Pay him out of insurance money - goes to England and has a miraculous recovery to play in ESL.
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Haha I can picture it now….

JT: "Now Robbie, you've been a champion of the club, a true warrior. But we've realised we're paying you too much, our experts in the salary cap department have worked out with your money we could finally get the cap sorted and fix the gym that Sheensy was always banging on about. We figured out that if you retire due to injury, you can get us out of our salary cap mess through insurance. All you have to do is take one shot with our BB gun to the knee. You can be a hero Robbie....A HERO!"

Robbie: "Coach are you saying I can be the hero and save this club on my very own with one shot, I'd die for this club, 2005 forever coach, brothers for life."

JT: "Maybe two shots!!!"

Robbie: "Okay coach, on one condition?"

JT: "Name it Robbie?"

Robbie: "When I retire I get to be coach, captain and CEO?"

JT: "Robbie....you can have this job, this lot don't play to my 5 one outs and bomb on the 6th, but I'm taking Lovett, Milone and Buchanan because they're the future."

Robbie: "Deal...... get the BB ready!!!"
 
@tigerap said:
When will the Broncos and the Roosters get caught?….
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The Roosters have shed Maloney, Jennings, Tuivasa-Scheck and Nene Macdonald from last year and the year before that they lost SBW, FPN and Minichello. There is enough going out to at least make it seem like they are feeling the squeeze of the cap from time to time.
 
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