As a player or player manager when you get a bag full of cash…which is part of the Parramatta alleged breaches ..you must know something is suss...
Parramatta Cap Investigation..
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Basil_Tiger
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@criwdfluffer said:
I nominate you to go and ask him what he knows,LOl,…of course he would know providing he passed Kindergarten Abacus.Alarm bells were ringing when Foran wanted a guarantee from Directors,and Arthur, that the the deal negotiated would be honoured otherwise he was walking,shortly after that they signed Jennings.
The guy flying under the radar is Beau Scott,if Newcastle players can be believed he's on huge money,there is no way the Eels are 560,000 over this year,that would have to be half or quarter of the actual figure,probably the amount the NRL can prove.
Former salary cap auditor helping Eels get under the cap
Updated 53 minutes ago
ABC/AAP
The Eels said in a statement getting the 2016 team under the salary cap before their next game is their priority one day after coach Brad Arthur said he and the players still held out hopes of reaching the finals. It is believed this season's Eels team is $570,000 over the cap and with a game against South Sydney looming in round 10, the club is keen to get its 2016 books in order before the May 13 clash.
"The process is being led by former NRL salary cap auditor and club consultant, Ian Schubert, in accordance with NRL requirements," the statement read. "The club recognises that being salary cap compliant and able to accrue competition points is essential for the Parramatta Eels playing group, members and supporters, and the game of rugby league. "The club is also working closely with the NRL throughout this process."
On Tuesday former Parramatta chief executive Denis Fitzgerald said getting under the cap before the round 10 game would be "very difficult".
Updated 53 minutes ago
ABC/AAP
The Eels said in a statement getting the 2016 team under the salary cap before their next game is their priority one day after coach Brad Arthur said he and the players still held out hopes of reaching the finals. It is believed this season's Eels team is $570,000 over the cap and with a game against South Sydney looming in round 10, the club is keen to get its 2016 books in order before the May 13 clash.
"The process is being led by former NRL salary cap auditor and club consultant, Ian Schubert, in accordance with NRL requirements," the statement read. "The club recognises that being salary cap compliant and able to accrue competition points is essential for the Parramatta Eels playing group, members and supporters, and the game of rugby league. "The club is also working closely with the NRL throughout this process."
On Tuesday former Parramatta chief executive Denis Fitzgerald said getting under the cap before the round 10 game would be "very difficult".
westTAHger
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To prove a point, and yes it may be over the top: the NRL should clearly stipulate
If any team has been identified over being over the salary cap, depending on the period, the same amount of time in, they will get no points.
eg you have been identified as being over for 3 years, like 2013,2014,2015, then when you are found out, you get no points for 2016, 2017, 2018.
It is harsh. Well yes, but it may just stop a repeat of this.
If any team has been identified over being over the salary cap, depending on the period, the same amount of time in, they will get no points.
eg you have been identified as being over for 3 years, like 2013,2014,2015, then when you are found out, you get no points for 2016, 2017, 2018.
It is harsh. Well yes, but it may just stop a repeat of this.
Fade_To_Black
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@criwdfluffer said:
Of course he didn't know…...he is a "good bloke" they all say :unamused: He would be in this up to his testicles but he will get off scot-free, same as Bellamy did back in the day. They are "good blokes".
Jarryd Hayne seems to have gotten out of all this unscathed as well, he was one of the main blokes getting the cash payments by all reports.
The NRL could really drive the Parramatta club into the ground if it was fair dinkum, but it's not. Hence the pissweak punishment.
Greenberg the shifty, slimy ferret was almost apologetic towards Parra when announcing their punishment. The NRL only has balls when it suits them.
God forbid WT ever get caught pulling a rort like Parra got busted with, the NRL would be more than happy to grind us into oblivion.........or relocation.
happy_tiger
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@Fade To Black said:
And this is the ridiculous point that people bring up that just makes me scratch my head
Why would Brad Arthur know exactly what ever player was earning , and remember we aren't just talking salary cap , some players could have 2-3 TPA's as well added in ??
The players are the ones people should be pointing their fingers at
Who (apart from tradies /taxi drivers ) gets paid cash anymore as part of their salary ??
happy_tiger
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@Newtown said:
Very much so , Newtown and I'm guessing the Taxation Dept will be circling like vultures , waiting for the right time :wink:
Fade_To_Black
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Happy, as far as Brad Arthur not having a clue about his team being over the cap as you say, coaches moan about putting in 12-14 hour days at their club so unless he is a deaf mute he would have a pretty good idea of the goings-on at Parra.
Anyone with half a brain thought it odd that Parra could lose 1 player (Hayne) and replace him with Foran (on massive money), Beau Scott (on massive money), Jennings (established Aus and Origin rep who wouldn't come cheap), Watmough (who was an established Aus and Origin rep when he was signed on reportedly huge money), Michael Gordon and whoever else. I can't vouch for QLD mathematical skills but to me 4 or 5 very very well paid players as a swap for 1 very very well paid player doesn't seem to add up.
It would be easy and convenient as a coach to pretend to be a dullard when it comes to how your side is full of representative players yet you are still magically under the salary cap. Trent Robinson would know this better than anyone in the NRL after the Roosters fielded 17 players in matches a year or 2 ago who were all rep players of some sort.
Unca Whine and his Broncos would be pretty seedy too you would think?
Anyone with half a brain thought it odd that Parra could lose 1 player (Hayne) and replace him with Foran (on massive money), Beau Scott (on massive money), Jennings (established Aus and Origin rep who wouldn't come cheap), Watmough (who was an established Aus and Origin rep when he was signed on reportedly huge money), Michael Gordon and whoever else. I can't vouch for QLD mathematical skills but to me 4 or 5 very very well paid players as a swap for 1 very very well paid player doesn't seem to add up.
It would be easy and convenient as a coach to pretend to be a dullard when it comes to how your side is full of representative players yet you are still magically under the salary cap. Trent Robinson would know this better than anyone in the NRL after the Roosters fielded 17 players in matches a year or 2 ago who were all rep players of some sort.
Unca Whine and his Broncos would be pretty seedy too you would think?
goldcoast_tiger
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I think the chances of Coaches not knowing anything about what players are paid is a bit hard to believe. they may not know exact amounts, but they can put two and two together
Its easy to play dumb when you are getting players That you want.
I'm sure that Bennett didnt think it strange that so many wives were employed at the club, or that the majority of the Qld team were all fitting into his team just because they loved him. Andrew Gees' little escapades , put paid to the Broncos ever having credibility again
Until they get a better system , most RLFans will go on having no faith in the
Salary Cap.
Its easy to play dumb when you are getting players That you want.
I'm sure that Bennett didnt think it strange that so many wives were employed at the club, or that the majority of the Qld team were all fitting into his team just because they loved him. Andrew Gees' little escapades , put paid to the Broncos ever having credibility again
Until they get a better system , most RLFans will go on having no faith in the
Salary Cap.
Basil_Tiger
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@goldcoast tiger said:
Yeah ,hard to Police,people have conveniently forgotten about Scott Prince being given a house/land package off the books by the Titans,what was offered for him to be quiet and stay out of court?,the NRL must know.
Eels in tough task to fix cap in nine days
AAP
15 hours ago
Parramatta have been warned they are facing an "almost impossible" task to get under the salary cap in nine days as they desperately attempt to keep their flickering NRL finals hopes alive. Former club chief executives have warned the Eels face overwhelming odds to shed $570,000 from their salary cap before taking on South Sydney next Friday and risk upsetting team harmony if they act too rashly. The Eels will have to offload up to four players to get under the cap though the retirement of back-rower Anthony Watmough due to a chronic knee injury could provide some relief.
The Eels are on today expected to lodge paperwork with the NRL in a bid to certify Watmough's retirement, according to Fox Sports News. After being assessed by NRL doctors, the governing body would then be able to decide how much of his annual $700,000 salary could be cleared from the books. Without the former Australian and NSW representative standing down, the Eels face a monumental task to be cleared to play for points in just over a week.
Grant Mayer, the former Wests Tigers and Manly chief executive and current boss of newly crowned A-League champions Adelaide United, said he would be "staggered" if the Eels could get cap compliant in nine days. "It's almost impossible," Mayer told AAP.
The Eels on Wednesday released a statement which could be interpreted as their first recognition that they had breached the salary cap when they reiterated their commitment to being cap compliant by next Friday. However Mayer, who was at Canterbury as events and operations manager in 2002 when the Bulldogs were punished for salary cap breaches, said any player contracted beyond this year would be hesitant to move on. "Players who have got contracts expect that they won't be any worse off if they relocate," Mayer said. "That's the issue. There's six months of the season gone and they'd want at least 50 per cent of any figure, plus they might have two or three years left. "Plus the relationships that will be lost. "The player should be no worse off. It's a complex negotiation and I'd be personally staggered if they can get it sorted before (taking on the Rabbitohs)."
Ex-Cronulla boss Steve Noyce said it was not just a matter of working out how to offload players, with team morale also a factor. Former long-term NRL salary cap auditor Ian Schubert has been charged by the club to get the Eels under the cap.
AAP
15 hours ago
Parramatta have been warned they are facing an "almost impossible" task to get under the salary cap in nine days as they desperately attempt to keep their flickering NRL finals hopes alive. Former club chief executives have warned the Eels face overwhelming odds to shed $570,000 from their salary cap before taking on South Sydney next Friday and risk upsetting team harmony if they act too rashly. The Eels will have to offload up to four players to get under the cap though the retirement of back-rower Anthony Watmough due to a chronic knee injury could provide some relief.
The Eels are on today expected to lodge paperwork with the NRL in a bid to certify Watmough's retirement, according to Fox Sports News. After being assessed by NRL doctors, the governing body would then be able to decide how much of his annual $700,000 salary could be cleared from the books. Without the former Australian and NSW representative standing down, the Eels face a monumental task to be cleared to play for points in just over a week.
Grant Mayer, the former Wests Tigers and Manly chief executive and current boss of newly crowned A-League champions Adelaide United, said he would be "staggered" if the Eels could get cap compliant in nine days. "It's almost impossible," Mayer told AAP.
The Eels on Wednesday released a statement which could be interpreted as their first recognition that they had breached the salary cap when they reiterated their commitment to being cap compliant by next Friday. However Mayer, who was at Canterbury as events and operations manager in 2002 when the Bulldogs were punished for salary cap breaches, said any player contracted beyond this year would be hesitant to move on. "Players who have got contracts expect that they won't be any worse off if they relocate," Mayer said. "That's the issue. There's six months of the season gone and they'd want at least 50 per cent of any figure, plus they might have two or three years left. "Plus the relationships that will be lost. "The player should be no worse off. It's a complex negotiation and I'd be personally staggered if they can get it sorted before (taking on the Rabbitohs)."
Ex-Cronulla boss Steve Noyce said it was not just a matter of working out how to offload players, with team morale also a factor. Former long-term NRL salary cap auditor Ian Schubert has been charged by the club to get the Eels under the cap.
GNR4LIFE
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I just fell out of my chair. Did I just read Grant Mayer giving input on how a cap works?
Fade_To_Black
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Most people in the media are all saying how great it is that Parra have been given some light at the end of the tunnel by the NRL. I don't agree, why should they be given that opportunity? Cheats are scum that deserve no concessions. Its all about the ca$$$h for the NRL, they gave Parra the minimal punishment in order to get this whole cheating crap forgotton about ASAP and normal transmission resumed.
happy_tiger
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@yeti said:
Yeah true but he is right , it will be a miracle if they can get this sorted within 9 days
Just remember Watmough has to want to retire for starters , and then they still need to find 170 k on top of that
Most clubs caps will be close to full and then have to hope they don't have any injuries that might cause their own 2nd tier cap issues
Parramatta Eels salary cap consultant Ian Schubert certain club will be compliant by Friday
By Jennifer Browning
Updated 44 minutes ago
Former NRL salary cap auditor Ian Schubert says the Parramatta Eels will be cap compliant by Friday's game against South Sydney. Schubert is consulting for the club trying to help it get back below the salary cap, which the NRL estimates the Eels have exceeded by over $500,000\. He met with the NRL for two-and-a-half hours on Monday and said it was a productive meeting. "The club's very confident we can get to where we need to be for this weekend," he told reporters. "We've got a little bit of homework to do, throw some numbers up in the air and see what happens." "Most certainly the club will be cap compliant. We'll have a full capacity on Friday night and we'll be playing for points," he added.
The ABC understands Schubert met with current NRL cap auditor Jamie L'Oste-Brown and integrity unit boss Nick Weeks. Part of the Eels' attempt to be cap compliant is the approval of Anthony Watmough's medical retirement.
If the NRL agrees to allow the remainder of Watmough's contract to be paid out outside the salary cap and backdates it to the beginning of the year, the club would almost certainly come under the cap. But Schubert refused to talk specifically about how close the club was to reaching an agreement with the league. He said it is "exciting" being on the other side this time around. "I understand where the clubs come from and always did," he said. "But … it's a matter of understanding where the NRL comes from as much the NRL's understanding of where the clubs come from and the difficulty of trying to manage the cap."
By Jennifer Browning
Updated 44 minutes ago
Former NRL salary cap auditor Ian Schubert says the Parramatta Eels will be cap compliant by Friday's game against South Sydney. Schubert is consulting for the club trying to help it get back below the salary cap, which the NRL estimates the Eels have exceeded by over $500,000\. He met with the NRL for two-and-a-half hours on Monday and said it was a productive meeting. "The club's very confident we can get to where we need to be for this weekend," he told reporters. "We've got a little bit of homework to do, throw some numbers up in the air and see what happens." "Most certainly the club will be cap compliant. We'll have a full capacity on Friday night and we'll be playing for points," he added.
The ABC understands Schubert met with current NRL cap auditor Jamie L'Oste-Brown and integrity unit boss Nick Weeks. Part of the Eels' attempt to be cap compliant is the approval of Anthony Watmough's medical retirement.
If the NRL agrees to allow the remainder of Watmough's contract to be paid out outside the salary cap and backdates it to the beginning of the year, the club would almost certainly come under the cap. But Schubert refused to talk specifically about how close the club was to reaching an agreement with the league. He said it is "exciting" being on the other side this time around. "I understand where the clubs come from and always did," he said. "But … it's a matter of understanding where the NRL comes from as much the NRL's understanding of where the clubs come from and the difficulty of trying to manage the cap."
GNR4LIFE
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Nathan Peats cousin posted on a Parramatta Facebook page ''confirming'' he's been squeezed so they could get back under the cap.
Take it with a grain of salt.
Take it with a grain of salt.
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