Pascoe sanctioned by the NRL

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🚨 Tigers open secret 🚨

Wests Tigers officials spent yesterday afternoon locked in meetings with lawyers as they defiantly march headlong into a fight with the NRL over its decision to fine the club and deregister chief executive Justin Pascoe for his handling of Robbie Farah’s acrimonious departure.

Farah, who returned to the Tigers this season, initially made his exit at the end of 2016 following months of instability caused by his soured relationship with former coach Jason Taylor. As part of his exit, Farah was promised an ambassadorial role when his playing career came to an end.

That job offer has now come back to haunt the Tigers. The deal, worth approximately $600,000 over four years, was an open secret in the NRL, Farah and the club having referred to it on numerous occasions in the media.

Yet the NRL insists they were unaware of the offer and never received any documentation from the club. **At the same time, the club submitted an application to have Farah’s severance package — he was paid upwards of $1 million to depart — excluded from the salary cap on the grounds that his presence was damaging the Tigers’ reputation and impacting on their ability to attract corporate support.**
**Had the club been successful with that application, they could have removed more than 50 per cent of Farah’s salary from the cap. As it was, the NRL rejected the application but Farah’s departure has come to haunt them nonetheless.**

“When a player moves on for reputational reasons (a club) can apply to the NRL to have money excluded from the salary cap,” chief operating officer Nick Weeks said. “After Robbie left, the club paid him money he was owed under that contract and they approached us to exclude some of those payments on the basis that Robbie was a destabilising influence on the club.

“What they didn’t disclose when they made that statement was that the club had earlier entered into an ambassador agreement to bring him back.”

A series of messages from Pascoe to the club’s general manager of football and Farah’s agent Sam Ayoub formed part of the evidence against the club. In the text messages, it is understood Pascoe suggested the termination agreement and ambassadorial deal were linked.

At one point in September 2016, it is understood he asked Ayoub not to announce the ambassador deal. The NRL frowned upon the negotiations. Aside from the decision to deregister Pascoe, the Tigers were fined $750,000 and will be forced to carry $639,000 on their salary cap in 2019 — the amount Farah stood to earn over the life of the ambassadorial deal.

The Tigers insist the situation was simply a misunderstanding and there was no attempt to circumvent the cap.

Chair Marina Go said the club did not accept the allegations outlined in the breach notice, and rejected the notion that they had breached the NRL rules or that their conduct warranted the sanctions imposed.

Go added that the incident occurred several years ago and the arrangement was entered into years after his playing contract had been signed. In other words, Go said, the club derived no benefit from the arrangement.

The Tigers added in a statement: “The club is shocked with the decision and extremely disappointed in the process.

“It is an arrangement that Wests Tigers had with Robbie that is unrelated to his career as a player. The club does not know if he is going to take it up and Robbie has not indicated his intention in return.

“The reason the ambassadorship was offered in November 2015 is that then new CEO Justin Pascoe felt that the club had disrespected Robbie and this was a way to show him the respect that Justin felt he deserved as a life member and club legend due to the overwhelming support Robbie had at the time from members and fans.

“Most importantly Wests Tigers derive absolutely no advantage from this arrangement. It is not tied in any way to Robbie’s playing contract.

“Wests Tigers are particularly concerned about the wrongful attack on the integrity of the club’s CEO. For the last three years Justin has shown nothing but respect for the NRL and the salary cap.”

The salary cap fine threatens to hamper coach Michael Maguire’s start to life at the Tigers, the club likely to have to move players to get their cap in order if the sanctions stand.

BRENT READ SENIOR SPORTS WRITER

Thanks for sharing.
So we didn't even get any cap relief?
The reason for the breach is regarding a future arrangement yet because we sought relief it looks deceptive. Huh.
This just makes it sound more convoluted.
I was under the impression, solely due to Todd's statement, that we did get relief of up to $570k.
So it's basically because Farah is now on significantly less money that is the real issue. That's not really sketchy conduct though.
 
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Pascoe has since been ordered by the NRL to stay away from the club’s Concord base, while Tigers staff are barred from calling their boss.

It is understood Pascoe is now meeting off site with the club’s legal team as part of planning his defence.

Can anyone confirm this. It seems extremely unfair. How is the man meant to defend himself.

This is Nazi like if its true.

In this country you are innocent until proven guilty, where is Justins due process, where is his ability to communicate with his staff and prepare a legal reply.

I thought he was given a notice of INTENT to de register? If that is the case then he should be able to carry on until such time as they actually de register him.

Ive already stated the corruptness i think is involved here but i thought he might at least have a chance to defend himself. _I see now the decision has been made, any case we put to the NRL will be ignored._

Have a good look at those record profits and other figures listed above Tigers fans, how dare he be successful hey.

It's effectively the same direction which brought Flanagan undone during his hiatus.

It's pretty clear that any case put to the NRL will be knocked back. Thankfully, the NRL are not the over-arching presiding authority within this country. Hopefully legally we can force Justin back in, but NRL have had two months to look into this, presumably two months to get their legal side ready, so I don't expect it to be easy.
 
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Haven't seen it myself but have read elsewhere that brydens lawyers were on the news voicing their support for Wests Tigers and Justin Pascoe.

Sure did. Signed and tagged Tigers mates in. They have signed and shared
 
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? Tigers open secret ?

Wests Tigers officials spent yesterday afternoon locked in meetings with lawyers as they defiantly march headlong into a fight with the NRL over its decision to fine the club and deregister chief executive Justin Pascoe for his handling of Robbie Farah’s acrimonious departure.

Farah, who returned to the Tigers this season, initially made his exit at the end of 2016 following months of instability caused by his soured relationship with former coach Jason Taylor. As part of his exit, Farah was promised an ambassadorial role when his playing career came to an end.

That job offer has now come back to haunt the Tigers. The deal, worth approximately $600,000 over four years, was an open secret in the NRL, Farah and the club having referred to it on numerous occasions in the media.

Yet the NRL insists they were unaware of the offer and never received any documentation from the club. **At the same time, the club submitted an application to have Farah’s severance package — he was paid upwards of $1 million to depart — excluded from the salary cap on the grounds that his presence was damaging the Tigers’ reputation and impacting on their ability to attract corporate support.**
**Had the club been successful with that application, they could have removed more than 50 per cent of Farah’s salary from the cap. As it was, the NRL rejected the application but Farah’s departure has come to haunt them nonetheless.**

“When a player moves on for reputational reasons (a club) can apply to the NRL to have money excluded from the salary cap,” chief operating officer Nick Weeks said. “After Robbie left, the club paid him money he was owed under that contract and they approached us to exclude some of those payments on the basis that Robbie was a destabilising influence on the club.

“What they didn’t disclose when they made that statement was that the club had earlier entered into an ambassador agreement to bring him back.”

A series of messages from Pascoe to the club’s general manager of football and Farah’s agent Sam Ayoub formed part of the evidence against the club. In the text messages, it is understood Pascoe suggested the termination agreement and ambassadorial deal were linked.

At one point in September 2016, it is understood he asked Ayoub not to announce the ambassador deal. The NRL frowned upon the negotiations. Aside from the decision to deregister Pascoe, the Tigers were fined $750,000 and will be forced to carry $639,000 on their salary cap in 2019 — the amount Farah stood to earn over the life of the ambassadorial deal.

The Tigers insist the situation was simply a misunderstanding and there was no attempt to circumvent the cap.

Chair Marina Go said the club did not accept the allegations outlined in the breach notice, and rejected the notion that they had breached the NRL rules or that their conduct warranted the sanctions imposed.

Go added that the incident occurred several years ago and the arrangement was entered into years after his playing contract had been signed. In other words, Go said, the club derived no benefit from the arrangement.

The Tigers added in a statement: “The club is shocked with the decision and extremely disappointed in the process.

“It is an arrangement that Wests Tigers had with Robbie that is unrelated to his career as a player. The club does not know if he is going to take it up and Robbie has not indicated his intention return.

“The reason the ambassadorship was offered in November 2015 is that then new CEO Justin Pascoe felt that the club had disrespected Robbie and this was a way to show him the respect that Justin felt he deserved as a life member and club legend due to the overwhelming support Robbie had at the time from members and fans.

“Most importantly Wests Tigers derive absolutely no advantage from this arrangement. It is not tied in any way to Robbie’s playing contract.

“Wests Tigers are particularly concerned about the wrongful attack on the integrity of the club’s CEO. For the last three years Justin has shown nothing but respect for the NRL and the salary cap.”

The salary cap fine threatens to hamper coach Michael Maguire’s start to life at the Tigers, the club likely to have to move players to get their cap in order if the sanctions stand.

BRENT READ SENIOR SPORTS WRITER

Thanks for sharing.
So we didn't even get any cap relief?
The reason for the breach is regarding a future arrangement yet because we sought relief it looks deceptive. Huh.
This just makes it sound more convoluted.
I was under the impression, solely due to Todd's statement, that we did get relief of up to $570k.
So it's basically because Farah is now on significantly less money that is the real issue. That's not really sketchy conduct though.

Farah got the full amount of his previous contract.

In order to determine that he is on significantly less money:
- what is he getting paid
- what is the going rate for a 35 year old hooker who is not Cameron Smith, and cannot perform or look as good as they did when they were 25
 
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The more I read abou JP the more I think that Greenberg saw him as a threat to his position and so took extraordinary steps to tarnish his reputation. TG better watch his next steps carefully. This could get very ugly very quickly.

I totally agree with you on this.

I am wondering this too. Mainly because it just doesn’t add up.

The club has demonstrated integrity in how they have treated fans. I find it difficult to believe their public position would be so clear if they knew there was a dirty secret or piece of evidence that makes this worse than what as been explained
 
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the thing is that if farah leaves, it would open up the space for liddle

Then we'd be praying for liddle to stay injury free..

Segeyaro / Lichaa as fallbacks if Farah walks? If we are looking at someone to be reserve on only fill in as necessray we would want minimal contract so I suspect Lichaa more viable.
 
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the thing is that if farah leaves, it would open up the space for liddle

Then we'd be praying for liddle to stay injury free..

Which we will be doing anyway. Can't see Liddle playing 80 minutes each week for 24 rounds, Farah is vital as a 2nd option or else its ET or Reynolds filling the void.
 
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What the heck?
https://mobile.twitter.com/PhilGould15/status/1075886860910485506

Dubious thoughts from the most divisive and manipulative individual in the game.

Hopefully Gus Gould sees us as such a non-threat that he is taking pity on us. Hopefully there is no mind-games here. Hopefully Cleary didn't leak stuff to NRL on Gus' direction.

Paranoia aside, didn't Pascoe come from Panthers before us? Does Gus know him from then?
 
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? Tigers open secret ?

Wests Tigers officials spent yesterday afternoon locked in meetings with lawyers as they defiantly march headlong into a fight with the NRL over its decision to fine the club and deregister chief executive Justin Pascoe for his handling of Robbie Farah’s acrimonious departure.

Farah, who returned to the Tigers this season, initially made his exit at the end of 2016 following months of instability caused by his soured relationship with former coach Jason Taylor. As part of his exit, Farah was promised an ambassadorial role when his playing career came to an end.

That job offer has now come back to haunt the Tigers. The deal, worth approximately $600,000 over four years, was an open secret in the NRL, Farah and the club having referred to it on numerous occasions in the media.

Yet the NRL insists they were unaware of the offer and never received any documentation from the club. **At the same time, the club submitted an application to have Farah’s severance package — he was paid upwards of $1 million to depart — excluded from the salary cap on the grounds that his presence was damaging the Tigers’ reputation and impacting on their ability to attract corporate support.**
**Had the club been successful with that application, they could have removed more than 50 per cent of Farah’s salary from the cap. As it was, the NRL rejected the application but Farah’s departure has come to haunt them nonetheless.**

“When a player moves on for reputational reasons (a club) can apply to the NRL to have money excluded from the salary cap,” chief operating officer Nick Weeks said. “After Robbie left, the club paid him money he was owed under that contract and they approached us to exclude some of those payments on the basis that Robbie was a destabilising influence on the club.

“What they didn’t disclose when they made that statement was that the club had earlier entered into an ambassador agreement to bring him back.”

A series of messages from Pascoe to the club’s general manager of football and Farah’s agent Sam Ayoub formed part of the evidence against the club. In the text messages, it is understood Pascoe suggested the termination agreement and ambassadorial deal were linked.

At one point in September 2016, it is understood he asked Ayoub not to announce the ambassador deal. The NRL frowned upon the negotiations. Aside from the decision to deregister Pascoe, the Tigers were fined $750,000 and will be forced to carry $639,000 on their salary cap in 2019 — the amount Farah stood to earn over the life of the ambassadorial deal.

The Tigers insist the situation was simply a misunderstanding and there was no attempt to circumvent the cap.

Chair Marina Go said the club did not accept the allegations outlined in the breach notice, and rejected the notion that they had breached the NRL rules or that their conduct warranted the sanctions imposed.

Go added that the incident occurred several years ago and the arrangement was entered into years after his playing contract had been signed. In other words, Go said, the club derived no benefit from the arrangement.

The Tigers added in a statement: “The club is shocked with the decision and extremely disappointed in the process.

“It is an arrangement that Wests Tigers had with Robbie that is unrelated to his career as a player. The club does not know if he is going to take it up and Robbie has not indicated his intention return.

“The reason the ambassadorship was offered in November 2015 is that then new CEO Justin Pascoe felt that the club had disrespected Robbie and this was a way to show him the respect that Justin felt he deserved as a life member and club legend due to the overwhelming support Robbie had at the time from members and fans.

“Most importantly Wests Tigers derive absolutely no advantage from this arrangement. It is not tied in any way to Robbie’s playing contract.

“Wests Tigers are particularly concerned about the wrongful attack on the integrity of the club’s CEO. For the last three years Justin has shown nothing but respect for the NRL and the salary cap.”

The salary cap fine threatens to hamper coach Michael Maguire’s start to life at the Tigers, the club likely to have to move players to get their cap in order if the sanctions stand.

BRENT READ SENIOR SPORTS WRITER

Thanks for sharing.
So we didn't even get any cap relief?
The reason for the breach is regarding a future arrangement yet because we sought relief it looks deceptive. Huh.
This just makes it sound more convoluted.
I was under the impression, solely due to Todd's statement, that we did get relief of up to $570k.
So it's basically because Farah is now on significantly less money that is the real issue. That's not really sketchy conduct though.

Farah got the full amount of his previous contract.

In order to determine that he is on significantly less money:
- what is he getting paid
- what is the going rate for a 35 year old hooker who is not Cameron Smith, and cannot perform or look as good as they did when they were 25

Is it not surprising we are paying him less than when he left. He was playing Origin and first choice hooker for first grade when he signed that contract and when we re-signed him he was playing reserve grade and nowhere near Origin.
 
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Hope he uses whatsApp instead of emails

Certainly not immune from using WhatsApp.

BBM

Old tech…

I think your confusing the blackberry phone with the blackberry messenger.
The phones are old tech but the BBM the most secure instant messenger on the planet.
My company does all internal messaging using BBM because of its encryption.
Even android and Apple users can download the BBM app and have the same security.

Blackberry focus on secure software. There is no money in hardware anymore.
Even Samsung is moving in this direction with the rise of Chinese phones.
 
There seems to be something more to this… It seems there is a blatant attempt to discredit Pascoe and hurt the club and derail Maguire's tenure as well.

The penalties are harsh in comparison to blatant rorting elsewhere and the reasoning and Greenbergs justifications seem convoluted.

Does Pascoe have to be registered with NRL to be employed by the club? What are the requirements for club staff? Can he remain at the club but not be the CEO?
 
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Certainly not immune from using WhatsApp.

BBM

Old tech…

I think your confusing the blackberry phone with the blackberry messenger.
The phones are old tech but the BBM the most secure instant messenger on the planet.
My company does all internal messaging using BBM because of its encryption.
Even android and Apple users can download the BBM app and have the same security.

Blackberry focus on secure software. There is no money in hardware anymore.
Even Samsung is moving in this direction with the rise of Chinese phones.

I'm not confusing it at all but that's another issue altogether which is not relevant to this topic.
 
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Certainly not immune from using WhatsApp.

BBM

Old tech…

I think your confusing the blackberry phone with the blackberry messenger.
The phones are old tech but the BBM the most secure instant messenger on the planet.
My company does all internal messaging using BBM because of its encryption.
Even android and Apple users can download the BBM app and have the same security.

Blackberry focus on secure software. There is no money in hardware anymore.
Even Samsung is moving in this direction with the rise of Chinese phones.

BBM or BBM protected? - el chapstick learnt that the hard way.
 

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