Pascoe sanctioned by the NRL

[cochise]

If we didn't tell the NRL about the role than we broke the rules. How do you know the NRL knew about this 3 years ago?

WT's made it public notice when they gave Benji and Robbie their life memberships , they said they would offer Robbie a job after footy

Public knowledge isnt notifying the NRL?

No it isn't, but you don't hide it / cheat by putting it out in the public arena and media either.

Are you sure you don't work for the NRL.

Seems you have found them guilty as well.

If there is a contract for a role after his career finishes then yes they are guilty.

 

[Russell]

WT's made it public notice when they gave Benji and Robbie their life memberships , they said they would offer Robbie a job after footy

Public knowledge isnt notifying the NRL?

No it isn't, but you don't hide it / cheat by putting it out in the public arena and media either.

Are you sure you don't work for the NRL.

Seems you have found them guilty as well.

If there is a contract for a role after his career finishes then yes they are guilty.

Maybe there is, maybe there isn't.

If there is - has it been signed by both parties?

Once again we don't know.

 

[cochise]

Public knowledge isnt notifying the NRL?

No it isn't, but you don't hide it / cheat by putting it out in the public arena and media either.

Are you sure you don't work for the NRL.

Seems you have found them guilty as well.

If there is a contract for a role after his career finishes then yes they are guilty.

Maybe there is, maybe there isn't.

If there is - has it been signed by both parties?

Once again we don't know.

The NRL has said there is a contract, if it is signed by the Tigers then they are guilty.

 

[newtiger]

The only way to police TPA's is to ban them altogether. why doesn't the NRL do it?

TPA's are fine, it's the brown paper bags and the le that is the rort. How do you police that?

ATO.

Who would declare a brown paper bag full of cash on their tax return? Especially if they know its against the rules to be receiving in the first place?

I was implying an audit from the Tax Office.

 

[newtiger]

TPA's are fine, it's the brown paper bags and the le that is the rort. How do you police that?

ATO.

Who would declare a brown paper bag full of cash on their tax return? Especially if they know its against the rules to be receiving in the first place?

You'd by surprised. In another life I was an ATO investigator covering income tax. Generally people are more honest with the ATO than they are with other bodies. For example, prostitutes lodge tax returns and a person who I won't name who was heavily involved in one of the UK's biggest armed robberies lodged tax returns every year when he was on the run in Australia. Sure people try to minimise their income and skim some off the top but they tend to be more honest with the ATO.

I had a friend that was an SP Bookie and he lodged a tax return every year.
He said that it was bad enough with the cops chasing him and the last thing he wanted was the Tax Office after his.
The Tax Office couldn’t report him to the Police because they were governed by privacy laws.

 

[WT2K]

Looks like this topic is going round in circles.. Might need to press fast forward to the appeal date..

 

[diedpretty]

Good point.

Those clubs you are referring to were red hot guilty, very much unlike Wests Tigers position. Personally I am very much looking forward to our club sticking up for what they believe in. By the way, clubs like Roosters and Broncos have been "somehow fortunate" to never have been through a sideshow such as that delivered by Greenburg on Wests tigers.

Well said Newtown, agree with you totally.
The NRL let the Broncos off the hook completely in regards to the whole Andrew Gee episode. Couldn't be bothered chasing it up because they knew they wouldnt like what was unearthed…it wouldve made the NRL look like the shonky, shoddy organisation that most fans believe it to be in any case.
The NRL see what they wanna see.

The NRL had no power to make Andrew Gee speak to them, what do you suggest they do? After that issue they made club officials register with the NRL so they would have some power moving forward. That's why Pascoe has been deregistered now.

Thats the lamest excuse i've ever heard. They found all the dirt on Parra, Cronulla, Melbourne and supposedly us without having to talk to the instigators. It was a cop out by the NRL.

 

[diedpretty]

Wtf you talking about?

Everyone of these departments has to deal with under the table cash , whether it be wages , work , drugs etc and none can 100% police it

They are experts at it , they hire the best of the best to try and track it and stop it

And then people expect the NRL to find some magic formula that they can use that no one else has stumbled onto world wide

That what I'm talking about , catch my drift …...

I want to see the NRL actually trying to stop it. I don't expect 100%, but I expect better than 0%. With Greenburg and co, they are more likely to be involved in it rather than preventing it.

NRL should hire some 'experts', set-up some sting operations, do whatever is done to try and catch them. And before someone says 'How do you know they don't?', the NRL should publicise when they are starting to do so. That way they would be hoping to deter clubs from even trying.

They are doing better than 0%, they caught us?

I'm beginning to think that you are actually Toddy and gold coast tiger is his dopey offsider.

 

[cochise]

Those clubs you are referring to were red hot guilty, very much unlike Wests Tigers position. Personally I am very much looking forward to our club sticking up for what they believe in. By the way, clubs like Roosters and Broncos have been "somehow fortunate" to never have been through a sideshow such as that delivered by Greenburg on Wests tigers.

Well said Newtown, agree with you totally.
The NRL let the Broncos off the hook completely in regards to the whole Andrew Gee episode. Couldn't be bothered chasing it up because they knew they wouldnt like what was unearthed…it wouldve made the NRL look like the shonky, shoddy organisation that most fans believe it to be in any case.
The NRL see what they wanna see.

The NRL had no power to make Andrew Gee speak to them, what do you suggest they do? After that issue they made club officials register with the NRL so they would have some power moving forward. That's why Pascoe has been deregistered now.

Thats the lamest excuse i've ever heard. They found all the dirt on Parra, Cronulla, Melbourne and supposedly us without having to talk to the instigators. It was a cop out by the NRL.

OK, so what do you expect them to have done?

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Everyone of these departments has to deal with under the table cash , whether it be wages , work , drugs etc and none can 100% police it

They are experts at it , they hire the best of the best to try and track it and stop it

And then people expect the NRL to find some magic formula that they can use that no one else has stumbled onto world wide

That what I'm talking about , catch my drift …...

I want to see the NRL actually trying to stop it. I don't expect 100%, but I expect better than 0%. With Greenburg and co, they are more likely to be involved in it rather than preventing it.

NRL should hire some 'experts', set-up some sting operations, do whatever is done to try and catch them. And before someone says 'How do you know they don't?', the NRL should publicise when they are starting to do so. That way they would be hoping to deter clubs from even trying.

They are doing better than 0%, they caught us?

I'm beginning to think that you are actually Toddy and gold coast tiger is his dopey offsider.

Had to laugh at that!

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Well said Newtown, agree with you totally.
The NRL let the Broncos off the hook completely in regards to the whole Andrew Gee episode. Couldn't be bothered chasing it up because they knew they wouldnt like what was unearthed…it wouldve made the NRL look like the shonky, shoddy organisation that most fans believe it to be in any case.
The NRL see what they wanna see.

The NRL had no power to make Andrew Gee speak to them, what do you suggest they do? After that issue they made club officials register with the NRL so they would have some power moving forward. That's why Pascoe has been deregistered now.

Thats the lamest excuse i've ever heard. They found all the dirt on Parra, Cronulla, Melbourne and supposedly us without having to talk to the instigators. It was a cop out by the NRL.

OK, so what do you expect them to have done?

Seize documents, computer hard drives, mobile phones etc just ss they have done when investigating other dodgy dealings by clubs. That would be a start.

 

[cochise]

The NRL had no power to make Andrew Gee speak to them, what do you suggest they do? After that issue they made club officials register with the NRL so they would have some power moving forward. That's why Pascoe has been deregistered now.

Thats the lamest excuse i've ever heard. They found all the dirt on Parra, Cronulla, Melbourne and supposedly us without having to talk to the instigators. It was a cop out by the NRL.

OK, so what do you expect them to have done?

Seize documents, computer hard drives, mobile phones etc just ss they have done when investigating other dodgy dealings by clubs. That would be a start.

They did a forensic audit?

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Thats the lamest excuse i've ever heard. They found all the dirt on Parra, Cronulla, Melbourne and supposedly us without having to talk to the instigators. It was a cop out by the NRL.

OK, so what do you expect them to have done?

Seize documents, computer hard drives, mobile phones etc just ss they have done when investigating other dodgy dealings by clubs. That would be a start.

They did a forensic audit?

So if, as you say, Andrew Gee took 300k from the leagues club WITHOUT APPROVAL, isn't that theft? For that large amount he should of been doing jail time.

 

[Russell]

No it isn't, but you don't hide it / cheat by putting it out in the public arena and media either.

Are you sure you don't work for the NRL.

Seems you have found them guilty as well.

If there is a contract for a role after his career finishes then yes they are guilty.

Maybe there is, maybe there isn't.

If there is - has it been signed by both parties?

Once again we don't know.

The NRL has said there is a contract, if it is signed by the Tigers then they are guilty.

Doesn't a contract need to be signed by both parties to be valid?

 

[cochise]

OK, so what do you expect them to have done?

Seize documents, computer hard drives, mobile phones etc just ss they have done when investigating other dodgy dealings by clubs. That would be a start.

They did a forensic audit?

So if, as you say, Andrew Gee took 300k from the leagues club WITHOUT APPROVAL, isn't that theft? For that large amount he should of been doing jail time.

That's exactly what the leagues club published in its annual report, they notified ASIC who decided to not investigate as the money had been repaid. If you actually read the article I posted it is all in that. The annual report states that it was used without permission or knowledge, correct procedures werent followed and no documentation was completed.

The NRL conducted a forensic audit, which they do in all these cases. That is how Flanagan's emails were found. They interviewed players and check players manager records and no evidence of extra payments were found.

What else do you expect them to have done?

Not everything is a conspiracy against us.

 

[cochise]

If there is a contract for a role after his career finishes then yes they are guilty.

Maybe there is, maybe there isn't.

If there is - has it been signed by both parties?

Once again we don't know.

The NRL has said there is a contract, if it is signed by the Tigers then they are guilty.

Doesn't a contract need to be signed by both parties to be valid?

It is still cheating if you give someone a contract signed by the club with them having the option of signing it at the completion of their career. That's just an effort to purposefully breach the rules.

 

[Russell]

Maybe there is, maybe there isn't.

If there is - has it been signed by both parties?

Once again we don't know.

The NRL has said there is a contract, if it is signed by the Tigers then they are guilty.

Doesn't a contract need to be signed by both parties to be valid?

It is still cheating if you give someone a contract signed by the club with them having the option of signing it at the completion of their career. That's just an effort to purposefully breach the rules.

Can't see that standing up in a court of law myself. Thinking about cheating is not cheating imo.

 

[cochise]

The NRL has said there is a contract, if it is signed by the Tigers then they are guilty.

Doesn't a contract need to be signed by both parties to be valid?

It is still cheating if you give someone a contract signed by the club with them having the option of signing it at the completion of their career. That's just an effort to purposefully breach the rules.

Can't see that standing up in a court of law myself. Thinking about cheating is not cheating imo.

I will actually be more disappointed in the club if the contract is not signed by Farah as it shows a clear effort to purposefully deceive and cheat the cap. Drawing up and signing a contract, then giving that to the other party to sign at a later date, is not just thinking about cheating.

 

[cochise]

The NRL has said there is a contract, if it is signed by the Tigers then they are guilty.

Doesn't a contract need to be signed by both parties to be valid?

It is still cheating if you give someone a contract signed by the club with them having the option of signing it at the completion of their career. That's just an effort to purposefully breach the rules.

Can't see that standing up in a court of law myself. Thinking about cheating is not cheating imo.

I will actually be more disappointed in the club if the contract is not signed by Farah as it shows a clear effort to purposefully deceive and cheat the cap. Drawing up and signing a contract, then giving that to the other party to sign at a later date, is not just thinking about cheating.

 

[Snake]

Doesn't a contract need to be signed by both parties to be valid?

It is still cheating if you give someone a contract signed by the club with them having the option of signing it at the completion of their career. That's just an effort to purposefully breach the rules.

Can't see that standing up in a court of law myself. Thinking about cheating is not cheating imo.

I will actually be more disappointed in the club if the contract is not signed by Farah as it shows a clear effort to purposefully deceive and cheat the cap. Drawing up and signing a contract, then giving that to the other party to sign at a later date, is not just thinking about cheating.

Farah has stated that he had not signed anything as he was not sure if he would commit to the Tigers after his retirement, the Tigers sign in good faith moving forward .. Farah is the party that has not signed and has admitted as much ,I see no attempt by the club to cheat the cap but as a lot here keep posting the club has cheated !