simonthetiger
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C'mon baydens get to it!
Pascoe sanctioned by the NRL
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Brent Read believes the fine a cap hit will be reduced on appeal. Doesn't know if pascoe will survive it.
hammertime
Well-known member
I hope the telegraph get onto the member sentiment.
Look, the club did do something wrong here, but the NRL have completely ignored so many things
1) intent. It's not clear that anyone truely believed this should be reported. By the openness of this in the media would conclude that it was only a misinterpretation of the rules and not deliberate.
2) Pascoe has spent years of trying to rectify cap mess created by NRL lax policies and they've implemented governance procedures around this that they should be applauded for. Not to mention having to deal with our coach saga which again was from poor nrl rules & governance.
3) the amount of work the club has done for mental health, women and the wider community. We're a leader in promoting the NRL amongst all clubs and have improved their image.
4) the punishment is not even close to consistent or fitting of the issue.
I hope to god the Tigers hit them hard. They need a wake up call. Smacks so much of the ref overreach last year!
Should we petition to deregister Greenburg and lodge the links on all forums?
Look, the club did do something wrong here, but the NRL have completely ignored so many things
1) intent. It's not clear that anyone truely believed this should be reported. By the openness of this in the media would conclude that it was only a misinterpretation of the rules and not deliberate.
2) Pascoe has spent years of trying to rectify cap mess created by NRL lax policies and they've implemented governance procedures around this that they should be applauded for. Not to mention having to deal with our coach saga which again was from poor nrl rules & governance.
3) the amount of work the club has done for mental health, women and the wider community. We're a leader in promoting the NRL amongst all clubs and have improved their image.
4) the punishment is not even close to consistent or fitting of the issue.
I hope to god the Tigers hit them hard. They need a wake up call. Smacks so much of the ref overreach last year!
Should we petition to deregister Greenburg and lodge the links on all forums?
innsaneink
Well-known member
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I feel similar and would be interested in this.
Its tough on our team, our players and our coach…the 80 minutes is the be all and end all each week
with 2 points up for grabs, live vocal support at the game cannot be underestimated but
like you im really over supporting the NRL...they can go to hell, the most corrupt organisation in the country ive been giving my hard earned to for more than a decade im just about done
innsaneink
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Thanks much to our sponsors….a great legal team
old_man_tiger
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This is my feeling too mate, I don't want the team to miss out on support but enough is enough.
I'm thinking maybe getting a group of people to cover up or sew over the NRL badge on our jerseys would also send a message, but you wouldn't want to be" that guy" if no one else did it.
tig_prmz
Well-known member
so if for eg a player has signed for $100 over 3 years but another club picks him up for $30 in his last 2 years- are the remaining $140 to be included in the cap for 2 years?
if that hasn't occurred in this case, then the tigers have gained advantage?
if that hasn't occurred in this case, then the tigers have gained advantage?
It's hard to argue having Farah on the books at the time wasn't creating reputational damage to the club simply by the fact that JT was coach.
JT's contract with Wests Tigers (had he seen it out) would have expired by the time Farah retired and would have been in a position to take up said role. Therefore its possible to have a person causing reputational damage in the present, return in the future when different personnel are employed.
Lets be honest, in future years would anyone really refer to Farah as a former Souths player or Wests Tigers?
As far as the contract goes, we payed 700k of 950k. Had we only payed 4 or 500k i could understand there being suspicion, but this honestly just looks like the very thing i feared, the new and improved big brave NRL taking on the battlers for an innocent mistake while the powerful rich clubs SYSTEMATICALLY cheat the cap.
Bravo Todd, Bravo
JT's contract with Wests Tigers (had he seen it out) would have expired by the time Farah retired and would have been in a position to take up said role. Therefore its possible to have a person causing reputational damage in the present, return in the future when different personnel are employed.
Lets be honest, in future years would anyone really refer to Farah as a former Souths player or Wests Tigers?
As far as the contract goes, we payed 700k of 950k. Had we only payed 4 or 500k i could understand there being suspicion, but this honestly just looks like the very thing i feared, the new and improved big brave NRL taking on the battlers for an innocent mistake while the powerful rich clubs SYSTEMATICALLY cheat the cap.
Bravo Todd, Bravo
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So let me get this straight. The de-registration of Justin Pascoe and the hefty financial penalty is solely due to Pascoe’s non-compliance of an NRL’s policy, specifically the failure to declare a **post career** role offered to Robbie?
IDC what Pascoe stupidly revealed to the media or even if there is a signed contract. The punishment still doesn’t fit the crime.
Who said Sam Ayoub was not involved…..
Wests Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe has a month to explain to the NRL how Robbie Farah was initially let go by the club for being "a destabilising influence", while also negotiating a four-year ambassadorial role with them for when he retired.
It is this contradiction in sentiment over the 34-year-old that has landed the Tigers boss in hot water.
On Wednesday, the NRL stood its ground – in particular on Rule 91A (1) – that any termination agreement with a player must include any future employment at that club, or any other NRL club.
In other words clubs must disclose total remuneration on what has been given, or promised, to a player.
"A significant portion was not disclosed to the salary cap auditor and that creates great concerns for us," NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg said.
The NRL has fined the Tigers $750,000 and added the amount of $639,000, which is the value of Farah's ambassadorial contract, to the Tigers' 2019 salary cap.
It is also seeking to cancel Pascoe's registration as CEO.
Wests Tigers CEO de-registered by NRL
The club has until the end of January to appeal the breach notice.
The NRL was up front in saying that neither Farah or his manager, Sam Ayoub, were at fault. Together they struck a sound financial deal from the Tigers.
It also appears Pascoe was a lone wolf in this issue, as no other directors or chair Marina Go were mentioned in Wednesday's breach notice.
"Justin has a preliminary sanction on him today," Greenberg said. "There are no requirements on the board from what the information is in front of me at the moment."
The Wests Tigers issued a statement on Wednesday saying the club would be "vigorously defending" the proposed penalties.
"The club is shocked with the decision and extremely disappointed in the process," it said.
"It is an arrangement that Wests Tigers had with Robbie that is unrelated to his career as a player. The club does not know if he is going to take it up and Robbie has not indicated his intention in return.
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"The reason the ambassadorship was offered in November 2015 is that then new CEO Justin Pascoe felt that the club had disrespected Robbie and this was a way to show him the respect that Justin felt he deserved as a Life Member and club legend due to the overwhelming support Robbie had at the time from Members and fans."
The club has confirmed it was in talks with Farah in November 2015 about an ambassadorial role after he finished playing. Yet in January 2017 the club's termination agreement with Farah stated that they had to let him go because the impasse was affecting sponsorships and ruining harmony at the Tigers.
In those circumstances the NRL can grant salary cap relief of around 30 per cent.
"When a player moves on for reputational reasons [a club] can apply to the NRL to have money excluded from the salary cap," chief operating officer Nick Weeks said on Wednesday.
"After Robbie left the club paid him money he was owed under that contract and they approached us to exclude some of those payments on the basis that Robbie was a destabilising influence on the club.
"What they didn't disclose when they made that statement was that the club had earlier entered into an ambassador agreement to bring him back.
"On our assessment of that is misleading and we've put that to the club and asked them and asked them to provide an explanation."
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The rules are very simple, and very clear, to understand in this space.
NRL CEO Todd Greenberg
The Wests Tigers statement said the ambassadorial role was not "in any way" tied to Farah's playing contract.
But it is understood both deals were done in tandem.
After those November 2015 talks, a draft document on a four-year ambassador role was done in early 2016 – Farah's final year at the Tigers before he joined South Sydney in 2017\. He returned to the Tigers mid-season in 2018.
Farah was dropped to reserve grade in July 2016 but in August, Ayoub confirmed to the club that his client would not be leaving the Tigers until the ambassador contract was finalised.
Then in January the termination deed was sent to the NRL with no mention of the ambassador role.
The NRL asked for a copy of this contract but initially was told it was "lost". A copy was eventually found and submitted.
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"The rules are very simple, and very clear, to understand in this space," Greenberg said.
The Tigers statement said it was concerned about "the wrongful attack" on Pascoe's integrity.
"The club will be vigorously defending this."
Wests Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe has a month to explain to the NRL how Robbie Farah was initially let go by the club for being "a destabilising influence", while also negotiating a four-year ambassadorial role with them for when he retired.
It is this contradiction in sentiment over the 34-year-old that has landed the Tigers boss in hot water.
On Wednesday, the NRL stood its ground – in particular on Rule 91A (1) – that any termination agreement with a player must include any future employment at that club, or any other NRL club.
In other words clubs must disclose total remuneration on what has been given, or promised, to a player.
"A significant portion was not disclosed to the salary cap auditor and that creates great concerns for us," NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg said.
The NRL has fined the Tigers $750,000 and added the amount of $639,000, which is the value of Farah's ambassadorial contract, to the Tigers' 2019 salary cap.
It is also seeking to cancel Pascoe's registration as CEO.
Wests Tigers CEO de-registered by NRL
The club has until the end of January to appeal the breach notice.
The NRL was up front in saying that neither Farah or his manager, Sam Ayoub, were at fault. Together they struck a sound financial deal from the Tigers.
It also appears Pascoe was a lone wolf in this issue, as no other directors or chair Marina Go were mentioned in Wednesday's breach notice.
"Justin has a preliminary sanction on him today," Greenberg said. "There are no requirements on the board from what the information is in front of me at the moment."
The Wests Tigers issued a statement on Wednesday saying the club would be "vigorously defending" the proposed penalties.
"The club is shocked with the decision and extremely disappointed in the process," it said.
"It is an arrangement that Wests Tigers had with Robbie that is unrelated to his career as a player. The club does not know if he is going to take it up and Robbie has not indicated his intention in return.
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"The reason the ambassadorship was offered in November 2015 is that then new CEO Justin Pascoe felt that the club had disrespected Robbie and this was a way to show him the respect that Justin felt he deserved as a Life Member and club legend due to the overwhelming support Robbie had at the time from Members and fans."
The club has confirmed it was in talks with Farah in November 2015 about an ambassadorial role after he finished playing. Yet in January 2017 the club's termination agreement with Farah stated that they had to let him go because the impasse was affecting sponsorships and ruining harmony at the Tigers.
In those circumstances the NRL can grant salary cap relief of around 30 per cent.
"When a player moves on for reputational reasons [a club] can apply to the NRL to have money excluded from the salary cap," chief operating officer Nick Weeks said on Wednesday.
"After Robbie left the club paid him money he was owed under that contract and they approached us to exclude some of those payments on the basis that Robbie was a destabilising influence on the club.
"What they didn't disclose when they made that statement was that the club had earlier entered into an ambassador agreement to bring him back.
"On our assessment of that is misleading and we've put that to the club and asked them and asked them to provide an explanation."
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The rules are very simple, and very clear, to understand in this space.
NRL CEO Todd Greenberg
The Wests Tigers statement said the ambassadorial role was not "in any way" tied to Farah's playing contract.
But it is understood both deals were done in tandem.
After those November 2015 talks, a draft document on a four-year ambassador role was done in early 2016 – Farah's final year at the Tigers before he joined South Sydney in 2017\. He returned to the Tigers mid-season in 2018.
Farah was dropped to reserve grade in July 2016 but in August, Ayoub confirmed to the club that his client would not be leaving the Tigers until the ambassador contract was finalised.
Then in January the termination deed was sent to the NRL with no mention of the ambassador role.
The NRL asked for a copy of this contract but initially was told it was "lost". A copy was eventually found and submitted.
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"The rules are very simple, and very clear, to understand in this space," Greenberg said.
The Tigers statement said it was concerned about "the wrongful attack" on Pascoe's integrity.
"The club will be vigorously defending this."
prattenparkchild
New member
Included with legal action and injunction against starting next season we should seek injunction against any further recruitment by all clubs until this matter is resolved. PLAY HARDBALL.
Mighty_Tiger
Well-known member
Isn’t the crux of the issue related to us asking for 30% of the payout being removed from the cap due to damage to sponsors/brand which the NRL agreed, but we then advised of an intent at a later stage to keep Farah at the club post playing career?
If the above is true we have a case to answer and stuffed up regardless if Farah actually signed something or not as our intent would be proven we weren’t ethical and attempted to use a loophole in a dumb way.
As to Pascoe - cmon teams have stuffed up in a huge way that gained premierships which didn’t cost them major heads to drop.
Pascoe is one of the best things to have happened to the Wests Tigers, lets hope our sponsor heads up a legal support to fight this one.
If the above is true we have a case to answer and stuffed up regardless if Farah actually signed something or not as our intent would be proven we weren’t ethical and attempted to use a loophole in a dumb way.
As to Pascoe - cmon teams have stuffed up in a huge way that gained premierships which didn’t cost them major heads to drop.
Pascoe is one of the best things to have happened to the Wests Tigers, lets hope our sponsor heads up a legal support to fight this one.
BenzaTiger
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https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/sport/nrl/robbie-farah-will-return-to-the-wests-tigers-after-being-offered-a-position/news-story/10b4d93b925fbfca4e0d095fdbdbe413
Never a dull moment in tiger land it seems..
cqtiger
Well-known member
My emotion right now is one step forward, two steps back.
I’ve got a feeling that the Wests Tigers will put up a robust defense for Pascoe and that there will be a large reduction on appeal… but the NRL won’t let us off scot free as they will look complete dills.
I do know that the NRL have not been happy with clubs offering jobs after football as they see it, rightly, as a way of cheating the cap. However, it’s usually in conjunction with a player being paid less than their real worth. As far as I am aware, Farah was paid his full contract amount.
Still, I just feel very deflated because we can’t get out of this cycle of being a loser.
I’ve got a feeling that the Wests Tigers will put up a robust defense for Pascoe and that there will be a large reduction on appeal… but the NRL won’t let us off scot free as they will look complete dills.
I do know that the NRL have not been happy with clubs offering jobs after football as they see it, rightly, as a way of cheating the cap. However, it’s usually in conjunction with a player being paid less than their real worth. As far as I am aware, Farah was paid his full contract amount.
Still, I just feel very deflated because we can’t get out of this cycle of being a loser.