Pascoe sanctioned by the NRL

[rex2ce]

The NRL rules that apply to proposed income were made clear by Greenburg, they allow nrl to assume that the ambassadorial job offered to Farah was a carrot to get him to leave the club , therefore earnings that have to be included in the cap.
Once you take emotion out of it and look at the facts, Pascoe made a dumb mistake and will have to take a fall for it, the best the club can hope for is a reduction in the financial penalties

 

[GNR4LIFE]

On the surface it’s harsh, but the way Geo summed it up earlier I think was pretty close to the mark. While Pascoe’s intent certainly wouldn’t have had sinister motives, he probably was a bit careless. To de-register the guy though seems way ott. Like sending someone to the chair of stealing a loaf of bread.

 

[BalmainBoy]

What other occupation do you get to keep your job after trying to conceal a $700k (not sure of the amount to be honest ) payment from your bosses / head office … sounds like he could be lucky not to be charged with fraud

 

[Mccarry]

Hi All,

I have posted this in the support Justin topic. Would people get behind a petition?

My experience with WT fans so far makes we wonder if I should bother. We tend to better keyboard warriors than actual real world supporters. Please give your honest view. I have seen petitions change laws so don't bother writing that a successful petition won't work. It will. The two questions are, would you support it; eg share it, sms friends etc.
and… are you a word smith and can express our cause in a more effective way.

Potential wording

**We demand Justice for Justin**

Todd Greenburg has wronged Justin Pascoe, CEO of Wests Tigers

* We reject big punishments for paperwork issues
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* We reject attempts to distract us from the Roostering that is happening to the Salary cap.
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* We reject the treatment of a true gentleman of the game
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* We reject the over the top fines to Wests Tigers

Reinstate Justin immediately as CEO of Wests Tigers

**We demand Justice for Justin.**

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Imagine the odds you would have gotten half way through this season that both Cleary and Pascoe would be gone in 2019.

 

[TYGA]

This is possibly the biggest over reaction in NRL history. Farah was not offered the deal as an inducement to return and breach the salary cap we paid 750k for Farah to play at Souths and fans went through bad times with our cap a mess. This is a technical breach and there is no way you can deregister a CEO on these grounds.

The fine and salary cap penalty is bigger than Manlys. Who deliberately rotted the cap.
Greenberg has to go.

 

[hammertime]

What other occupation do you get to keep your job after trying to conceal a $700k (not sure of the amount to be honest ) payment from your bosses / head office … sounds like he could be lucky not to be charged with fraud

A) He didn't try to conceal it as evidenced by the media articles.

B) Usually people get sacked because they conceal it for personal benefit. That's not the case here. It's not like he pocketed the money.

The bloke had done the hard yards to fix this club and has made a mistake very early in his tenure. We need to get behind him.

 

[fibrodreaming]

What other occupation do you get to keep your job after **trying to conceal a $700k (not sure of the amount to be honest ) payment from your bosses / head office** … sounds like he could be lucky not to be charged with fraud

We are operating in the dark on this one. The WT official statement says that we made an offer to Robbie but, as of now, he hasn't accepted. If true, then what payment are we trying to conceal?

The whole issue seems to turn on whether we have a formal agreement with Robbie.

 

[Mccarry]

What other occupation do you get to keep your job after **trying to conceal a $700k (not sure of the amount to be honest ) payment from your bosses / head office** … sounds like he could be lucky not to be charged with fraud

We are operating in the dark on this one. The WT official statement says that we made an offer to Robbie but, as of now, he hasn't accepted. If true, then what payment are we trying to conceal?

The whole issue seems to turn on whether we have a formal agreement with Robbie.

You don't conceal something by telling the press three years ago.

 

[Geo]

Weeks states he has a signed contract regarding the ambassadors role from 2016..

Someone is telling porkies..

 

[coivtny]

What other occupation do you get to keep your job after trying to conceal a $700k (not sure of the amount to be honest ) payment from your bosses / head office … sounds like he could be lucky not to be charged with fraud

A) He didn't try to conceal it as evidenced by the media articles.

B) Usually people get sacked because they conceal it for personal benefit. That's not the case here. It's not like he pocketed the money.

The bloke had done the hard yards to fix this club and has made a mistake very early in his tenure. We need to get behind him.

Agree 100%. My memory isn't that good but even I remember media coverage of the ambassadorial role at the time. BalmainBoy should get his facts right before posting.

 

[Yossarian]

I wouldn't be so quick to paint Pascoe as the innocent wronged party. Maybe the punishment is draconian but you don't get these kind of punishments for sloppy paperwork and/or misunderstandings. There must be a reasonable amount of evidence to support both the accusations and penalties.

 

[diedpretty]

So if a club employs an ex player in a role with the club after they have retired it comes out of the salary cap. Wow. This NRL are a farce. Still waiting for the explanation off Andrew Gee and the Broncos for all their rorting - oh but wait its the Broncos- my bad.

It’d be an easy way to circumvent the cap. We could effectively offer an experienced, elite player minimum wage in 2019-20 with an agreement for $500k a year from 2021-23 to be an ambassador or whatever else.
Thus we have Mr Elite on the books for nothing whilst we chase a premiership, when his real market value is far beyond that.

It obviously happens all the time in terms of handshake agreements, but clubs would be smart enough to ensure there’s nothing official until the player’s career is over.

It doesn't work like that - the NRL would not register a contract if they believed the player was being grossly underpaid - there is an exception though - unless the contract is with the roosters or the broncos.

 

[diedpretty]

Isn’t the crux of the issue related to us asking for 30% of the payout being removed from the cap due to damage to sponsors/brand which the NRL agreed, but we then advised of an intent at a later stage to keep Farah at the club post playing career?

If the above is true we have a case to answer and stuffed up regardless if Farah actually signed something or not as our intent would be proven we weren’t ethical and attempted to use a loophole in a dumb way.

As to Pascoe - cmon teams have stuffed up in a huge way that gained premierships which didn’t cost them major heads to drop.

Pascoe is one of the best things to have happened to the Wests Tigers, lets hope our sponsor heads up a legal support to fight this one.

That has been covered by Wests in their statement. The role was offered to Robbie by Pascoe as he believed Farah had been screwed over by Taylor and the board. There was no intent of gain by Wests or Pascoe - in a way it was offering the olive branch for all the rubbish that happened.

 

[diedpretty]

Isn’t the crux of the issue related to us asking for 30% of the payout being removed from the cap due to damage to sponsors/brand which the NRL agreed, but we then advised of an intent at a later stage to keep Farah at the club post playing career?

If the above is true we have a case to answer and stuffed up regardless if Farah actually signed something or not as our intent would be proven we weren’t ethical and attempted to use a loophole in a dumb way.

As to Pascoe - cmon teams have stuffed up in a huge way that gained premierships which didn’t cost them major heads to drop.

Pascoe is one of the best things to have happened to the Wests Tigers, lets hope our sponsor heads up a legal support to fight this one.

That has been covered by Wests in their statement. The role was offered to Robbie by Pascoe as he believed Farah had been screwed over by Taylor and the board. There was no intent of gain by Wests or Pascoe - in a way it was offering the olive branch for all the rubbish that happened.

 

[marzie]

What an absolute joke the nrl is. If they dont undo this mess that'll just about do me.

 

[jadtiger]

What other occupation do you get to keep your job after trying to conceal a $700k (not sure of the amount to be honest ) payment from your bosses / head office … sounds like he could be lucky not to be charged with fraud

A) He didn't try to conceal it as evidenced by the media articles.

B) Usually people get sacked because they conceal it for personal benefit. That's not the case here. It's not like he pocketed the money.

The bloke had done the hard yards to fix this club and has made a mistake very early in his tenure. We need to get behind him.

Agreed, It was a silly but honest mistake and for that Pascoe gets deregisterd and the club cops almost a 1.5m fine.Clubs that have deliberately cheated the cap are treated far more leniently.
The favouritism and barely disguised corruption in the NRL stinks.I have followed football for a very long time but i have never seen it so dishonestly administerd

 

[Telltails]

How dumb is Todd Greenburg.
Deregistering one of the men associated with the game who has done countless things to promote the NRL in a positive fashion, both in the WTs, and wider community.
The NRL recently let our club down by allowing Gould and his club to poach our coach while under contract and sat on their hands and did nothing till Gould got his man.
Two clubs recently have been caught rorting the cap -and yet compare the penalties.
There was no advantage for us in any of the Farah debacle if anything it has cost us a fortune, and because Pascoe offered a club stalwart an opportunity to work as an ambassador to appease a poor situation, he has possibly lost his job and his integrity is in question.
Now Todd has decided to act tough!
In the meantime how many dimwits are making a fortune out of the game.
Todd Greenburg should have someone investigating his ability to lead the game because his judgement is questionable.

 

[WT2K]

Club has until January 31st to respond to the Breach.

 

[Geo]

I wouldn't be so quick to paint Pascoe as the innocent wronged party. Maybe the punishment is draconian but you don't get these kind of punishments for sloppy paperwork and/or misunderstandings. There must be a reasonable amount of evidence to support both the accusations and penalties.

Don't think anyone's listening mate