Pascoe sanctioned by the NRL

[cochise]

**Contract was offered and signed by Tigers before the Tigers applied for cap relief**. Offer was not communicated to NRL, and no copy was retained by the Tigers.

Which they never got, so what?

The cap relief is a red herring, the problem is a contract signed by the Tigers was given to RF's manager to be signed in the future.

People are looking at this with black, gold and white tinted glasses on, I don't know if it was the Tigers intention to rort the cap, but what they have done is a way to potentially cheat the systems and they have been punished for that.

What did the WT gain?

If you don't gain anything - why would you intentionally cheat?

As I said, I don't know if they intended to break the rules or not. From what I've been told, what I detailed earlier is what happened. The NRL could argue one of two potential benefits to the Tigers that I can see.

1\. The offer was to sweeten the deal of Robbie Farah leaving the club.

2\. The most likely in my opinion is that the NRL will argue that the offer was to ensure Robbie would return to the club in 2019 when the Tigers would be in a better position in regards to salary cap.

Now personally I don't think the Tigers intended RF to return but they may have offered him the role to sweeten his departure from the club.

I think it is possible that this was an honest mistake, but it was a big mistake as we used a known method for rorting the cap and breached the rules in doing so.

 

[cochise]

Still believe the punishment does not fit the crime.. Clubs like the Eels broke the SC rules and were not dealt with this hard and they kept lying to the NRL until they dug up everything.. This is a contract after a players career and does not effect the players cap at all but we are asked to take the full penalty off our players cap this year…..
So when the next team is caught actually cheating the cap i would only assume they will lose there CEO, Be stripped of points, and a massive fine..
If we have done the wrong thing i can accept this but feel like the NRL is just trying to make an example of us but not the real cheats.. Eels, Sharks etc..

I don't get this argument, the Eels actually copped everything you asked for and were dealt with far more harshly than the Tigers?

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Funny that all of the clubs that have been done for anything to do with cap breaches, all made a lot of noise about being innocent, yet all were buried beneath a pile of facts,
Why would be any difference with us,
The NRL seem to not make accusations without hard evidence,
To kick Pascoe out like they’ve done they must have something pretty solid to back their charges up

The NRL better have solid evidence against our CEO as this is not just a case brought against a club in general this attack has basically ruined a career and personally trashed his reputation as I have eluded to previously this is a very serious situation and I would think this will not be taken lightly by Justin Pascoe .I have a feeling the NRL might have over reacted with the attack on our CEO ..IMO the longer this goes on with no evidence brought forward into the public arena the more serious this will become , legal types keep things tight for a reason .

That’s what I was referring to
They must have a pretty strong case to even consider doing what they’ve done
While we all want to think that they are idiots, they have been pretty thorough in all the cases that they’ve made public in the past.
I don’t want to lose that amount of cap money,
But I have a feeling that that they have much more Ammunition yet to bring forward..

They wouldn’t have came down so hard if they didnt think that Pascoe was a goner .
I t could be a while before we know what’s been happening

Can't say the NRL were very thorough when it came to the Broncos…....."oh Andrew Gee has suddenly gone deaf mute, obviously nothing to worry about here then let's drop it". That was weak as pee.
When it suits them they can be very thorough :brick:

 

[Yossarian]

Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”. When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.

As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

 

[sheer64]

**Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”. When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.**
As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

Did you just make this up?

 

[cochise]

Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”. When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.

As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

I was told something along the lines of he took a paycut on a previous contract on the promise this would be made up later. Is this the owed money you are referring to? If it is that kinda completes the info I was told but wasn't sure how this fitted in.

 

[cochise]

**Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”. When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.**
As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

Did you just make this up?

Not likely, Yoss is usually very close to the money on these things.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”. When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.

As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

So basically we're screwed?

 

[WT2K]

Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”. When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.

As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

So basically we're screwed?

Sounds like it.

 

[prattenparkchild]

I'm probably wrong but didn't our request for reduction due to farahs bad behaviour get refused by NRL?

 

[happy_tiger]

Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”. When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.

As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

I thought Pascoe was against back ended deals

This is the ultimate back ended deal , post back ended deal in fact

 

[innsaneink]

**Contract was offered and signed by Tigers before the Tigers applied for cap relief**. Offer was not communicated to NRL, and no copy was retained by the Tigers.

Which they never got, so what?

The cap relief is a red herring, the problem is a contract signed by the Tigers was given to RF's manager to be signed in the future.

People are looking at this with black, gold and white tinted glasses on, I don't know if it was the Tigers intention to rort the cap, but what they have done is a way to potentially cheat the systems and they have been punished for that.

What did the WT gain?

If you don't gain anything - why would you intentionally cheat?

RFs return.
Cochise is correct I think.
Take of the orange black & white tinted glasses

 

[innsaneink]

I'm probably wrong but didn't our request for reduction due to farahs bad behaviour get refused by NRL?

Thats irrelevant

 

[Roar_Power]

Does anybody know if the $750,000 fine is partly suspended?

 

[yeti]

Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”. When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.

As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

Well, that's that then. Bummer! Can't bag the NRL if this is the way it played out. Bad business decision Justin. Very bad career decision, Justin.

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”. When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.

As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

Well, that's that then. Bummer! Can't bag the NRL if this is the way it played out. Bad business decision Justin. Very bad career decision, Justin.

Poor justin had a crap coach to rely on. Would not happen under Madge.

 

[The_Patriot]

Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. **At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”.** When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.

As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

Are you confirming that we did receive this exemption. All other reports indicate we were denied?

It makes a big difference to the overall intention and how we will be viewed by others in this case.

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”. When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.

As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

I don't know know if you could say this is 100 percent correct.

Wasn't farah back ended deal/money owed built on the end of his contract. He was on massive money the back end of his contract. To say he was owed additional money on top of that would be ridiculous on tigers end. Farah said that his contract was paid in full.

I'm saying the ambassador role had nothing to do with his playing contract.

You have to remember the circumstances and farah was threatening legal action for his demotion to state cup. Who knows maybe that had legal grounds and the ambassador role was a way of compensating that.

Also I see no issue with the exemption. training with the squad and an off field ambassador role are separate and independent of each other in terms of team harmony.

Pascoe backed his coach which created team disharmony and a media circus at the time. Farah coming back to a corporate role years later will have nothing to do with the squad at that time.

 

[simonthetiger]

I'm probably wrong but didn't our request for reduction due to farahs bad behaviour get refused by NRL?

Thats irrelevant

Re-read Yoss's post, Its completely relevant to his argument, and its false. WE did not receive the cut .

 

[simonthetiger]

Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. **At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”.** When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.

As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

Are you confirming that we did receive this exemption. All other reports indicate were denied?

It makes a big difference to the overall intention and how we will be viewed by others in this case.

Yes this is a weird thing to say by Yoss and makes me cautious of the whole statement! Sounds like someone who has an axe to grind against Pascoe.