Pascoe sanctioned by the NRL

[Bob]

Exactly , it's like cash jobs for tradies …..unless you actually set them up what can you do ......maybe that's the answer .......the NRL have fake people trying to set up TPA's to see how clubs actually handle them :bulb:

The only way to police TPA's is to ban them altogether. why doesn't the NRL do it?

TPA's are fine, it's the brown paper bags and the le that is the rort. How do you police that?

ATO.

Who would declare a brown paper bag full of cash on their tax return? Especially if they know its against the rules to be receiving in the first place?

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Good point.

Those clubs you are referring to were red hot guilty, very much unlike Wests Tigers position. Personally I am very much looking forward to our club sticking up for what they believe in. By the way, clubs like Roosters and Broncos have been "somehow fortunate" to never have been through a sideshow such as that delivered by Greenburg on Wests tigers.

Well said Newtown, agree with you totally.
The NRL let the Broncos off the hook completely in regards to the whole Andrew Gee episode. Couldn't be bothered chasing it up because they knew they wouldnt like what was unearthed…it wouldve made the NRL look like the shonky, shoddy organisation that most fans believe it to be in any case.
The NRL see what they wanna see.

The NRL had no power to make Andrew Gee speak to them, what do you suggest they do? After that issue they made club officials register with the NRL so they would have some power moving forward. That's why Pascoe has been deregistered now.

What a load. The police don't have the power to force criminals to speak to them either, but do they just shrug their shoulders and let them go? Nup.
At the very least I'd suggest the NRL seize documents, hard drives etc to FULLY INVESTIGATE suspected wrong doings by Gee and the Broncos. Not just shrug their puny shoulders and do jack about it.
Pretty simple really.

 

[cochise]

Those clubs you are referring to were red hot guilty, very much unlike Wests Tigers position. Personally I am very much looking forward to our club sticking up for what they believe in. By the way, clubs like Roosters and Broncos have been "somehow fortunate" to never have been through a sideshow such as that delivered by Greenburg on Wests tigers.

Well said Newtown, agree with you totally.
The NRL let the Broncos off the hook completely in regards to the whole Andrew Gee episode. Couldn't be bothered chasing it up because they knew they wouldnt like what was unearthed…it wouldve made the NRL look like the shonky, shoddy organisation that most fans believe it to be in any case.
The NRL see what they wanna see.

The NRL had no power to make Andrew Gee speak to them, what do you suggest they do? After that issue they made club officials register with the NRL so they would have some power moving forward. That's why Pascoe has been deregistered now.

What a load. The police don't have the power to force criminals to speak to them either, but do they just shrug their shoulders and let them go? Nup.
At the very least I'd suggest the NRL seize documents, hard drives etc to FULLY INVESTIGATE suspected wrong doings by Gee and the Broncos. Not just shrug their puny shoulders and do jack about it.
Pretty simple really.

Are you serious? The NRL are NOT the police and have much less powers than the police. The NRL know where the money from the leagues club went, it went to Andrew Gee, without his cooperation they have no way of finding out what happened to the money after that.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I would challenge the notion that incompetence and corruption cannot work concurrently. I think the inconsistent and reactionary way of leading displays incompetence. I also believe that hidden agendas lead to a bias that disadvantages many - this is corrupt practice.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Well said Newtown, agree with you totally.
The NRL let the Broncos off the hook completely in regards to the whole Andrew Gee episode. Couldn't be bothered chasing it up because they knew they wouldnt like what was unearthed…it wouldve made the NRL look like the shonky, shoddy organisation that most fans believe it to be in any case.
The NRL see what they wanna see.

The NRL had no power to make Andrew Gee speak to them, what do you suggest they do? After that issue they made club officials register with the NRL so they would have some power moving forward. That's why Pascoe has been deregistered now.

What a load. The police don't have the power to force criminals to speak to them either, but do they just shrug their shoulders and let them go? Nup.
At the very least I'd suggest the NRL seize documents, hard drives etc to FULLY INVESTIGATE suspected wrong doings by Gee and the Broncos. Not just shrug their puny shoulders and do jack about it.
Pretty simple really.

Are you serious? The NRL are NOT the police and have much less powers than the police. The NRL know where the money from the leagues club went, it went to Andrew Gee, without his cooperation they have no way of finding out what happened to the money after that.

So the NRL were happy for large amounts of money to be transferred from a leagues club into a senior officials' bank account? No, there is nothing shonky about that at all. How did the NRL know that the money went to Gee in the first place? Surely that information alone should have been sufficient to implicate the Broncos in innapropriate conduct?

 

[Fade_To_Black]

I would challenge the notion that incompetence and corruption cannot work concurrently. I think the inconsistent and reactionary way of leading displays incompetence. I also believe that hidden agendas lead to a bias that disadvantages many - this is corrupt practice.

Hard to argue with that logic mate.

 

[cochise]

The NRL had no power to make Andrew Gee speak to them, what do you suggest they do? After that issue they made club officials register with the NRL so they would have some power moving forward. That's why Pascoe has been deregistered now.

What a load. The police don't have the power to force criminals to speak to them either, but do they just shrug their shoulders and let them go? Nup.
At the very least I'd suggest the NRL seize documents, hard drives etc to FULLY INVESTIGATE suspected wrong doings by Gee and the Broncos. Not just shrug their puny shoulders and do jack about it.
Pretty simple really.

Are you serious? The NRL are NOT the police and have much less powers than the police. The NRL know where the money from the leagues club went, it went to Andrew Gee, without his cooperation they have no way of finding out what happened to the money after that.

So the NRL were happy for large amounts of money to be transferred from a leagues club into a senior officials' bank account? No, there is nothing shonky about that at all. How did the NRL know that the money went to Gee in the first place? Surely that information alone should have been sufficient to implicate the Broncos in innapropriate conduct?

Surely before you comment about things you don't understand you would at least do some basic research instead of relying on something you heard someone else say?

Gee used $300k of leagues club money for unknown purposes, there was no documentation about what the money was used for, the NRL knew about it as the leagues club published it in its annual report. The NRL investigated and found no evidence the money was used for the football club. ASIC didnt investigate because the money was repaid. What do you expect the NRL to do?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/exclusive-salary-cap-probe-clears-brisbane-broncos-for-finals-tilt/news-story/fae0dc2b14e8c88adcb0c70ea90150a9

 

[JD Tiger]

Wtf you talking about?

Everyone of these departments has to deal with under the table cash , whether it be wages , work , drugs etc and none can 100% police it

They are experts at it , they hire the best of the best to try and track it and stop it

And then people expect the NRL to find some magic formula that they can use that no one else has stumbled onto world wide

That what I'm talking about , catch my drift …...

I want to see the NRL actually trying to stop it. I don't expect 100%, but I expect better than 0%. With Greenburg and co, they are more likely to be involved in it rather than preventing it.

NRL should hire some 'experts', set-up some sting operations, do whatever is done to try and catch them. And before someone says 'How do you know they don't?', the NRL should publicise when they are starting to do so. That way they would be hoping to deter clubs from even trying.

They are doing better than 0%, they caught us?

That is yet to be seen, and I have seen nothing except innuendo to suggest to me we deliberately cheated. Instead from WT's comments so far, it is more so that we made an error in not declaring (even though we did declare publicly) some position officially even though the NRL knew about it 3 or 4 years ago!

I really hope that somehow the truth comes out about this, because what usually happens is that we never know what really happened, and I think it is best for WT as a team, a brand, a club, culturally, even financially for the truth to come out - even if we did intentionally cheat.

 

[cochise]

Everyone of these departments has to deal with under the table cash , whether it be wages , work , drugs etc and none can 100% police it

They are experts at it , they hire the best of the best to try and track it and stop it

And then people expect the NRL to find some magic formula that they can use that no one else has stumbled onto world wide

That what I'm talking about , catch my drift …...

I want to see the NRL actually trying to stop it. I don't expect 100%, but I expect better than 0%. With Greenburg and co, they are more likely to be involved in it rather than preventing it.

NRL should hire some 'experts', set-up some sting operations, do whatever is done to try and catch them. And before someone says 'How do you know they don't?', the NRL should publicise when they are starting to do so. That way they would be hoping to deter clubs from even trying.

They are doing better than 0%, they caught us?

That is yet to be seen, and I have seen nothing except innuendo to suggest to me we deliberately cheated. Instead from WT's comments so far, it is more so that we made an error in not declaring (even though we did declare publicly) some position officially even though the NRL knew about it 3 or 4 years ago!

I really hope that somehow the truth comes out about this, because what usually happens is that we never know what really happened, and I think it is best for WT as a team, a brand, a club, culturally, even financially for the truth to come out - even if we did intentionally cheat.

If we didn't tell the NRL about the role than we broke the rules. How do you know the NRL knew about this 3 years ago?

 

[Fade_To_Black]

So the NRL didnt think it was necessary to further investigate the Broncos club for the very fact that it allowed Gee to "borrow" 300k? Laughable.
I might call a leagues club this arvo see if they will lend me 300k if this is all above-board as far as the NRL are concerned. Sounds great!

 

[happy_tiger]

I want to see the NRL actually trying to stop it. I don't expect 100%, but I expect better than 0%. With Greenburg and co, they are more likely to be involved in it rather than preventing it.

NRL should hire some 'experts', set-up some sting operations, do whatever is done to try and catch them. And before someone says 'How do you know they don't?', the NRL should publicise when they are starting to do so. That way they would be hoping to deter clubs from even trying.

They are doing better than 0%, they caught us?

That is yet to be seen, and I have seen nothing except innuendo to suggest to me we deliberately cheated. Instead from WT's comments so far, it is more so that we made an error in not declaring (even though we did declare publicly) some position officially even though the NRL knew about it 3 or 4 years ago!

I really hope that somehow the truth comes out about this, because what usually happens is that we never know what really happened, and I think it is best for WT as a team, a brand, a club, culturally, even financially for the truth to come out - even if we did intentionally cheat.

If we didn't tell the NRL about the role than we broke the rules. How do you know the NRL knew about this 3 years ago?

WT's made it public notice when they gave Benji and Robbie their life memberships , they said they would offer Robbie a job after footy

 

[cochise]

They are doing better than 0%, they caught us?

That is yet to be seen, and I have seen nothing except innuendo to suggest to me we deliberately cheated. Instead from WT's comments so far, it is more so that we made an error in not declaring (even though we did declare publicly) some position officially even though the NRL knew about it 3 or 4 years ago!

I really hope that somehow the truth comes out about this, because what usually happens is that we never know what really happened, and I think it is best for WT as a team, a brand, a club, culturally, even financially for the truth to come out - even if we did intentionally cheat.

If we didn't tell the NRL about the role than we broke the rules. How do you know the NRL knew about this 3 years ago?

WT's made it public notice when they gave Benji and Robbie their life memberships , they said they would offer Robbie a job after footy

Public knowledge isnt notifying the NRL?

 

[Fade_To_Black]

I want to see the NRL actually trying to stop it. I don't expect 100%, but I expect better than 0%. With Greenburg and co, they are more likely to be involved in it rather than preventing it.

NRL should hire some 'experts', set-up some sting operations, do whatever is done to try and catch them. And before someone says 'How do you know they don't?', the NRL should publicise when they are starting to do so. That way they would be hoping to deter clubs from even trying.

They are doing better than 0%, they caught us?

That is yet to be seen, and I have seen nothing except innuendo to suggest to me we deliberately cheated. Instead from WT's comments so far, it is more so that we made an error in not declaring (even though we did declare publicly) some position officially even though the NRL knew about it 3 or 4 years ago!

I really hope that somehow the truth comes out about this, because what usually happens is that we never know what really happened, and I think it is best for WT as a team, a brand, a club, culturally, even financially for the truth to come out - even if we did intentionally cheat.

If we didn't tell the NRL about the role than we broke the rules. How do you know the NRL knew about this 3 years ago?

Of course they knew. We all did didnt we? Pleb supporters. Yet the NRL were unaware? :laughing: C'mon

 

[cochise]

So the NRL didnt think it was necessary to further investigate the Broncos club for the very fact that it allowed Gee to "borrow" 300k? Laughable.
I might call a leagues club this arvo see if they will lend me 300k if this is all above-board as far as the NRL are concerned. Sounds great!

Read the article, they did investigate, including a forensic audit and interviewing of players and found no evidence money went to the players. You have to remember that the leagues club is not the football club and the NRL has less power with them. The leagues club stated in their annual report that they didn't allow Gee to take the money, it was taken without approval, they also self reported to ASIC.

 

[cochise]

So the NRL didnt think it was necessary to further investigate the Broncos club for the very fact that it allowed Gee to "borrow" 300k? Laughable.
I might call a leagues club this arvo see if they will lend me 300k if this is all above-board as far as the NRL are concerned. Sounds great!

Read the article, they did investigate, including a forensic audit and interviewing of players and found no evidence money went to the players. You have to remember that the leagues club is not the football club and the NRL has less power with them. The leagues club stated in their annual report that they didn't allow Gee to take the money, it was taken without approval, they also self reported to ASIC.

 

[cochise]

They are doing better than 0%, they caught us?

That is yet to be seen, and I have seen nothing except innuendo to suggest to me we deliberately cheated. Instead from WT's comments so far, it is more so that we made an error in not declaring (even though we did declare publicly) some position officially even though the NRL knew about it 3 or 4 years ago!

I really hope that somehow the truth comes out about this, because what usually happens is that we never know what really happened, and I think it is best for WT as a team, a brand, a club, culturally, even financially for the truth to come out - even if we did intentionally cheat.

If we didn't tell the NRL about the role than we broke the rules. How do you know the NRL knew about this 3 years ago?

Of course they knew. We all did didnt we? Pleb supporters. Yet the NRL were unaware? :laughing: C'mon

Again public knowledge is not notifying the NRL? We broke the rules.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

The only way to police TPA's is to ban them altogether. why doesn't the NRL do it?

TPA's are fine, it's the brown paper bags and the le that is the rort. How do you police that?

Greenburg looks to have spent a large amount of NRL financial resources chasing Pascoe. If Greenburg was as vigilant with the big clubs as he is with clubs like WT he would charge with fraud the next administrator pushing brown bags.

The biggest cases of salary cap cheating was the dogs and the storm. Two of the biggest clubs in the comp.

Greenberg wasn't in charge back then.

 

[coivtny]

The only way to police TPA's is to ban them altogether. why doesn't the NRL do it?

TPA's are fine, it's the brown paper bags and the le that is the rort. How do you police that?

ATO.

Who would declare a brown paper bag full of cash on their tax return? Especially if they know its against the rules to be receiving in the first place?

You'd by surprised. In another life I was an ATO investigator covering income tax. Generally people are more honest with the ATO than they are with other bodies. For example, prostitutes lodge tax returns and a person who I won't name who was heavily involved in one of the UK's biggest armed robberies lodged tax returns every year when he was on the run in Australia. Sure people try to minimise their income and skim some off the top but they tend to be more honest with the ATO.

 

[cochise]

TPA's are fine, it's the brown paper bags and the le that is the rort. How do you police that?

ATO.

Who would declare a brown paper bag full of cash on their tax return? Especially if they know its against the rules to be receiving in the first place?

You'd by surprised. In another life I was an ATO investigator covering income tax. Generally people are more honest with the ATO than they are with other bodies. For example, prostitutes lodge tax returns and a person who I won't name who was heavily involved in one of the UK's biggest armed robberies lodged tax returns every year when he was on the run in Australia. Sure people try to minimise their income and skim some off the top but they tend to be more honest with the ATO.

And there is nothing illegal about being paid in cash, even in brown paper bags, as long as that income is declared.

 

[Russell]

That is yet to be seen, and I have seen nothing except innuendo to suggest to me we deliberately cheated. Instead from WT's comments so far, it is more so that we made an error in not declaring (even though we did declare publicly) some position officially even though the NRL knew about it 3 or 4 years ago!

I really hope that somehow the truth comes out about this, because what usually happens is that we never know what really happened, and I think it is best for WT as a team, a brand, a club, culturally, even financially for the truth to come out - even if we did intentionally cheat.

If we didn't tell the NRL about the role than we broke the rules. How do you know the NRL knew about this 3 years ago?

WT's made it public notice when they gave Benji and Robbie their life memberships , they said they would offer Robbie a job after footy

Public knowledge isnt notifying the NRL?

No it isn't, but you don't hide it / cheat by putting it out in the public arena and media either.

Are you sure you don't work for the NRL.

Seems you have found them guilty as well.