BAGNF05
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I guess we will see how it plays out. Ideally Tigers get a few players back and start to compete and it’s a non-issue. Keep going as we are and it won’t go away.
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jirskyr
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See I don't get this. This thread is about the Pascoe holiday.
A whole bunch of folks want to make it about all-time Pascoe and Tigers failures. You can do that sure, and I'm not defending Justin Pascoe's career. I don't know how or why people are suggesting that to support the CEO taking a holiday means you support everything else about him.
Sack Pascoe, I will not shed a single tear. Go for it. I would like to know who his replacement is, and I honestly do not know if getting a new CEO will make the team successful. But it's worth a try - it's one of the few things we haven't changed in the last 5 years.
BUT there is also the possibility that actually Pascoe is a good CEO and we are worse off if we sack him. We may end up financially and business-ops worse off.
So I'm not saying don't do it, I'm saying I'm not sure if sacking the CEO makes the difference people want it to. But it could be worth a shot.
GNR4LIFE
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You could say the exact same thing about Brooks
hank37w
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I'm pretty sure Stephen Humphreys is available and maybe even Grant Mayer.
People have to be careful what they wish for.
Would be nice to have a ex player CEO. Not just a number crunching flip flopper in a suit who never played the game.
I feel there is a disconnect between team and boardroom when you have a stiff in the middle.
Sacking him for it is over the top . I agree and as I have stated it won’t affect the result on Monday. The timing is rotten tho .
The issue is he is the boss . CEO runs the organisation, the core business of the organisation is the footy and the team is stone motherless last with zero wins and possibility of the coach being sacked in the next few weeks.
It’s just not a good look based on where the team is languishing and him and the board should have realised it was going to gain media traction .
It just provides ammunition to those that believe the front office is a mess and yes that does affect the footy team somehow. Look at storm , roosters admin , look what a different club the eels are since they got rid of factions .
The deed is not the issue the optics is the issue which points to culture issue at the entire club
jirskyr
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Absolutely.
supercoach
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Bottom line, Sheens runs the football department. Pascoe implements the board wishes and oversees the whole club. Him being away now has zero effect on the club and like any other CEO would carry his mobile and laptop.
My big beef with Pascoe is, the fan base interaction has come to a standstill this year. Sheens or Pascoe, or both should be talking to the fan base regularly
My big beef with Pascoe is, the fan base interaction has come to a standstill this year. Sheens or Pascoe, or both should be talking to the fan base regularly
Not all are dumb as a box of rocks. Many go on to successful business careers after footballl.
Very narrow minded view you have there.
jirskyr
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Again, I don't think any of those things you've mentioned really exist. I don't believe CEO is part of any real-effect optics and I think haters gonna hate. I don't think it changes the performance of the team.
I think most people who are upset about the CEO taking a break are just upset about lack of wins, and anything potentially negative is blown out of proption.
What I can tell you is I do look at the Storm and they are a perfect example. Players done for offseason cocaine in 2017 and again in 2021 - points to a drugs issue.
Cam Munster has multiple alcohol-related infringements at the club and admitted to a gambling addiction.
The Storm Chairman (Matt Tripp) owns an online betting agency (EzyBet, and he previously sold Sportsbet) and there is controversy about both his involvement in the club and the fact they allow players to invest in the betting agency.
NAS got done for fighting in Bali in 2019 and under the spotlight for refusing vaccines in 2021.
2016 Storm refuse to play the World Club Challenge for their own selfish reasons.
Storm very obviously done for systematic salary cap rorting in the last 15 years.
What does the "optics" of the Storm do? It does nothing because they constantly win football games. Nothing sticks for long because Storm continue to win.
Yes crap teams need to be more strict because mud sticks more easily, but at some point you just have to realise the media start digging up fake dirt and making up non-issues when they run out of real stories to run.
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'Yes crap teams need to be more strict because mud sticks more easily'
Jirskyr the references you made about the Storm I've highlighted in previous posts as well.
They certainly are NOT a role model for behaviour off the field and salary cap cheating etc.
Yes they do get away with it because of the past and current powerbrokers allowing it to happen whilst they still perform. Doesn't make it right though.
The fact is, if they were cellar dwellers year in year out they would find themselves under tighter control and security.
We have been a shite fight since 05 and it's because we are a circus on and off the field.
Yes we are easy targets, so why wave the target around like a neon sign flashing arrow saying, 'here we are, we are the crappiest club, come and look'
We need everything going for us at the moment, which would include Pascoe doing a one on one interview and answer some tough questions.
I'm sure he could belay any fears that supporters and players/managers may have, or could he?
Jirskyr the references you made about the Storm I've highlighted in previous posts as well.
They certainly are NOT a role model for behaviour off the field and salary cap cheating etc.
Yes they do get away with it because of the past and current powerbrokers allowing it to happen whilst they still perform. Doesn't make it right though.
The fact is, if they were cellar dwellers year in year out they would find themselves under tighter control and security.
We have been a shite fight since 05 and it's because we are a circus on and off the field.
Yes we are easy targets, so why wave the target around like a neon sign flashing arrow saying, 'here we are, we are the crappiest club, come and look'
We need everything going for us at the moment, which would include Pascoe doing a one on one interview and answer some tough questions.
I'm sure he could belay any fears that supporters and players/managers may have, or could he?
I'd bet the odds are in my favour...
Either way, I've not seen many success stories of old footballers running NRL Sides...
There's a few failures though, Some of them - More than once.
ps: Running a successful "business" is VERY different to running an organisation such as an NRL club.
hank37w
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I guess that Stephen Humphreys would be your man then.
Played for Balmain in the 80's as his father Kevin did back in the 50's, both held senior administrative/management Rugby League positions.
Unfortunately, whatever positive achievements they may have made in the game, and there is no doubting that there were some at least in Kevin's case, but both eventually resigned in disgrace having been found out for being involved in dodgy financial deals.
Maybe the old adage of the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree is true in some instances at least.
Regardless of what ever people think of Pascoe as an administrator, as long as he sticks to managing the financial side of things, I think he is still currently our best option.
That‘s fair enough but why does his name pop up in every new player signing or extension. You can’t have it both ways?
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I think Stephen was also at loggerheads with the structure of the joint venture.
I know what your saying about the business model he overseas having been rather successful but you can't be seen as being disconnected from the side when things go pearshaped and your the Chief Executive Officer of the Club.
mike
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Better chance of winning a premiership I would think would be a strong motivator.
I often wonder how much those stadium deals contributed to the clubs “profits” in the past 5 years and what will happen now we are looking at Cambo and LO for the future
There were numbers floated about way back when we moved from the SFS - The ANZ deal was 100k / Match... Rail, Hail or Shine - Win, lose or Draw.
I also heard from the CEO at the time that, We were lucky to be breaking even for the other grounds.
Cambo took care of everything - But we needed to get Close to 20k through the gate to make Money.
LO needs less through the gate to make money - But the club had to take care of everything - Traffic Control, Hiring the TV etc.
Not sure if any of the above is still the case, Or when the original ANZ deal ended (I had a feeling it was 10 years - Which would work with it finishing in the last few)
My guess now that the same guys own all the operational stadiums the Price they pay us to play there has decreased - Which would also lend itself to another reason we're moving back to LO and CSS.
GNR4LIFE
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At least we don’t have a CEO who has Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon style meltdowns on social media like when Mayer was CEO. Anytime we’d draw a poor crowd at Ctown, he’d blow his top on Twitter and threaten to take games away from there. Idiot.
