Pascoe

[Jedi_Tiger]

i did hear from a mate who is an eels tragic that it is Papi who has started to get the wobbles up coming to us , looking to not come , would be a real mess if he back flips , my mate thinks it’s a real chance , but again only out side info , hope not true

parra worked hard at trying to change Stefano's mind they are scum
Papali will come

 

[twentyforty]

Was it Socrates who said “go where the argument takes you”? Or words to that affect?
Would that be to the point of changing someone’s view on a topic, or having your own view changed, or to the point of name calling and personal attacks?

 

[twentyforty]

parra worked hard at trying to change Stefano's mind they are scum
Papali will come

I don’t know why, but I think so too. Something tells me we’ve turned the corner. I guess the signings of Api and Papali’i are a good indication.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Can’t remember where I posted it, so I’ll just post it again. On one hand, I can see it as a very real possibility that Pap wants to backflip. Playing in one of the form sides of the comp who look on track for another top 4 finish, facing the prospect of going to a club that has nothing going for them. The only plus is that players usually only backflip to stay at their current clubs, and to do that, he’d have to take considerably less than what he will make with us to stay at Parra. They might only be able to pay him what he’s already on which by all reports is only 200k. I can’t see us freeing him from the contract to take up a deal at the Roosters for example. Players don’t usually renege to sign with another club besides the one they are leaving.

As much of a blow as it would be for him to not come, he actually won’t change our fortunes on his own. At best, he will just be another marquee forward at an average club. And their are plenty of those around, i.e Fifita at the Titans, Haas at the Broncos, Lolo at the Cows Api is in great form but his age is a slight concern, plus the possibility he could always come and half arse it. But he is significantly better than what we already have, so Api half arsing it is still an improvement.

 

[Cobarcats]

Can’t remember where I posted it, so I’ll just post it again. On one hand, I can see it as a very real possibility that Pap wants to backflip. Playing in one of the form sides of the comp who look on track for another top 4 finish, facing the prospect of going to a club that has nothing going for them. The only plus is that players usually only backflip to stay at their current clubs, and to do that, he’d have to take considerably less than what he will make with us to stay at Parra. They might only be able to pay him what he’s already on which by all reports is only 200k. I can’t see us freeing him from the contract to take up a deal at the Roosters for example. Players don’t usually renege to sign with another club besides the one they are leaving.

As much of a blow as it would be for him to not come, he actually won’t change our fortunes on his own. At best, he will just be another marquee forward at an average club. And their are plenty of those around, i.e Fifita at the Titans, Haas at the Broncos, Lolo at the Cows Api is in great form but his age is a slight concern, plus the possibility he could always come and half arse it. But he is significantly better than what we already have, so Api half arsing it is still an improvement.

This is a Pascoe topic, maybe the duplicate post your looking for is in Dad's Humour. 🤔

 

[Cobarcats]

I was going to quote you jirskyr but your post went on for too long.
You said,
“perception means nothing"....really.
When the NRL was in COVID crisis, Peter V'landys took the bull by the horns and charged ahead, giving us a competion.
Do you think he would have had the players support to go into lockdown and the confidence in him from the politicians if Peter V'landys conducted all of his dealings by zoom in London....No.
Perceptions mean a lot when your dealing with peoples emotions.
Blind freddy could have predicted this team shit fight was going to happen before round 1.
For starters he could have been here and done interviews with Sheens and encourage and sympathize with members.
Instead he's not here and has thrown Madge under a bus. [Irrelevant if you like Madge or not]

 

[Tiger-ferret]

On a scale of 1 to 5, 1 being "no issue whatsoever" and 5 being "major horrible trauma" I consider the vacation to be a 2. It's not nothing, but it's insignificant.

If it really has no bearing on what the club is doing right now, then that's the end of it for me. If Pascoe being away makes no practical difference between last week and this week, then fine it makes no difference and not worth getting worked up about.

I'll say it again - he will have had his holiday's approved and planned already, he isn't just going rogue a la Sonny Bill and disappearing without notice.

Perception is irrelevant, the CEO's job is not a popularity contest. The only thing that will turn Tigers around is wins. The perception of Tigers cannot really get worse, we are already soaked to the bone. The media will invent things to complain about as they pile the muck on. It's not just generating content - portions of the media appear to revel in the sick pleasure of flogging dead horses.

They invented a story with James Roberts on the pokies, they invented a story about Pascoe taking a vacation. People got upset because Daine Laurie wore a Panthers jersey last year. I understand the responses to these incidents but they are all rather primal, primitive, non-constructive responses.

Who knows, maybe Pascoe is on stress leave and he has been given time off for his mental health. Imagine that, if Pascoe came back and pulled the Mitchell Moses "mental health" card. Would people still want to pile on then?

I agree and disagree. Particularly because we do not know all the details.

However I think perception is very relevant to if you are trying to build a positive culture.

 

[gallagher]

I was going to quote you jirskyr but your post went on for too long.

🤣🤣🤣

 

[jirskyr]

Who are you - aside from a QA specialist who uses a subtle reference from a mid-20th century dystopian novel as their online alias?

I am me - genius!

Grow up & accept an honest response on a forum from someone who can translate your nonsense!

You are a self-described "moderate" in a non-political coversation that is clearly over your head sir!

Sure thing pal, thanks for the aggression of your contributions

 

[jirskyr]

I was going to quote you jirskyr but your post went on for too long.
You said,
“perception means nothing"....really.
When the NRL was in COVID crisis, Peter V'landys took the bull by the horns and charged ahead, giving us a competion.
Do you think he would have had the players support to go into lockdown and the confidence in him from the politicians if Peter V'landys conducted all of his dealings by zoom in London....No.
Perceptions mean a lot when your dealing with peoples emotions.
Blind freddy could have predicted this team shit fight was going to happen before round 1.
For starters he could have been here and done interviews with Sheens and encourage and sympathize with members.
Instead he's not here and has thrown Madge under a bus. [Irrelevant if you like Madge or not]

Perception of the CEO, yes I think it's irrelevant. Are players really signing or not signing for the club because Justin Pascoe is the CEO?

Perception of the coach or players, sure, Perception of the club performance and culture - absolutely.

Perception of the CEO, no I don't think so. I don't expect players or sponsors are going to turn away from the club because the CEO took a vacation.

A lot of you appear eager to conflate a single issue - the CEO's holiday, with other broader issues like club culture and the CEO's all-time rap sheet. I am only talking about the CEO's holiday here and whether or not taking a holiday as CEO is a bad look, and if it is a bad look, why that would be so (meaning who actually cares about what the CEO is doing with his schedule).

 

[earl]

I'll add a couple of points:-

1. @Jirksyr is one of the best posters on this forum.
2. Perception is a complex topic. It might matter a bit but I reckon the dollar signs matter a lot as well. We've signed two players for next year at their peaks and they are very good players.

We just need to win games.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Perception is subjective. Everyone assumes because something looks bad to them, it looks bad to everyone else. The amount of disagreement in this thread should prove that’s BS.

 

[Cobarcats]

Perception of the CEO, yes I think it's irrelevant. Are players really signing or not signing for the club because Justin Pascoe is the CEO?

Perception of the coach or players, sure, Perception of the club performance and culture - absolutely.

Perception of the CEO, no I don't think so. I don't expect players or sponsors are going to turn away from the club because the CEO took a vacation.

A lot of you appear eager to conflate a single issue - the CEO's holiday, with other broader issues like club culture and the CEO's all-time rap sheet. I am only talking about the CEO's holiday here and whether or not taking a holiday as CEO is a bad look, and if it is a bad look, why that would be so (meaning who actually cares about what the CEO is doing with his schedule).

Good to see you can post without beating your chest.
It's your opinion, I respect that, don't agree in total but at least I read it. 👍

 

[The Fresh Oil]

I'll add a couple of points:-

1. @Jirksyr is one of the best posters on this forum.
2. Perception is a complex topic. It might matter a bit but I reckon the dollar signs matter a lot as well. We've signed two players for next year at their peaks and they are very good players.

We just need to win games.

Perception is subjective. Everyone assumes because something looks bad to them, it looks bad to everyone else. The amount of disagreement in this thread should prove that’s BS.

You’re right to an extent.

Like, Earl thinks Jetski is a great poster, contributing positively to the forum. That is subjective and not something that I can prove one way or the other. I have an opinion and that’s it.


Pascoe being an absolute failure by most of , if not all metrics you could judge a NRL CEO on us not subjective but indeed fact.

 

[earl]

Pascoe being an absolute failure by most of , if not all metrics you could judge a NRL CEO on us not subjective but indeed fact.

Do you have the metrics that Pascoe is judged on ? If they are so bad why is he still in a job ?

I'm pretty confident you are confusing facts with your subjective opinion.

 

[twentyforty]

Do you have the metrics that Pascoe is judged on ? If they are so bad why is he still in a job ?

I'm pretty confident you are confusing facts with your subjective opinion.

Good point Earl.
Obviously he has certain skills and experience, which were needed by the club. To know if he has successfully delivered on his end we would need to know exactly what was expected of him? What did he bring to the club that we were missing? If he hasn’t delivered then the questions regarding his performance need to be directed to those responsible for hiring him.

 

[The Fresh Oil]

Do you have the metrics that Pascoe is judged on ? If they are so bad why is he still in a job ?

I'm pretty confident you are confusing facts with your subjective opinion.

LOL!

So he has a job still so he must be doing well. Have you been paying attention? ?? ?

 

[Viking Warrior]

What a joke to assume to know what my standards are. In this instance I am talking about people getting themselves in a bind about when the CEO takes his holidays, as if it's their business or as if they understand when a CEO should be taking holidays.

It's not about defending anyone, it's about calm progress and common sense. The hysteria around something as simple as a vacation shows you how in a bind Tigers truly are, because hysteria and impulsive / reactive decision making will get us nowhere.

Haha you have got blind faith you must enjoy loosing? If we keep trying and sticking with the things that haven't worked like we have for the past 3 years how do you expect things to change. Management needs a clean out and your buddy Pascoe should be first.

 

[Honkylips]

Is there a way to block seeing peoples posts? My thumb gets tired scrolling past jizskys epic essays.

Thanks in advance.

Why would you want to block him? He is one of only a few that make measured and intelligent comments?

 

[Geo]

Can’t remember where I posted it, so I’ll just post it again. On one hand, I can see it as a very real possibility that Pap wants to backflip. Playing in one of the form sides of the comp who look on track for another top 4 finish, facing the prospect of going to a club that has nothing going for them. The only plus is that players usually only backflip to stay at their current clubs, and to do that, he’d have to take considerably less than what he will make with us to stay at Parra. They might only be able to pay him what he’s already on which by all reports is only 200k. I can’t see us freeing him from the contract to take up a deal at the Roosters for example. Players don’t usually renege to sign with another club besides the one they are leaving.

As much of a blow as it would be for him to not come, he actually won’t change our fortunes on his own. At best, he will just be another marquee forward at an average club. And their are plenty of those around, i.e Fifita at the Titans, Haas at the Broncos, Lolo at the Cows Api is in great form but his age is a slight concern, plus the possibility he could always come and half arse it. But he is significantly better than what we already have, so Api half arsing it is still an improvement.

So Mahoney, Kikau Bromwich Bros Kafusi who are going elsewhere next year all want to backflip to and stay with stronger Clubs..don’t think so.. it is a very loser mindset..