Pascoe

GNR4LIFE said:
I’d very much doubt the average league fan would be sitting at the pub talking about the Tigers CEO going on holiday. To me, this is the same as Laurie being at the pub the night before a game not causing trouble. Big deal. And I don’t really care about Pascoe one way or the other. We’re startling to sound like Saints fans the way we constantly go after the CEO.
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So we're discussing it here but no one anywhere else in real time would discuss last nights TV program?

😏

That's what happens at the office water cooler, the smoko lunch room and the pub
It was brought up at my workplace the day after it was aired

If these programs aren't talked about they get axed
 
BAGNF05 said:
Dude, it’s not just results. Did you not see his rap sheet reported today. Which didnt need to be reported because we have all been living it. It’s been mismanagement and consecutive boneheaded debacles for 7 YEARS!
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OK but this thread didn't start as a critique of Pascoe's entire operation. It started only as a commentary about the holiday he took, and whether or not that was bad timing.

I've only commented on the holiday itself. I haven't commented on his back-catalogue of mistakes or the ongoing failure of the Tigers to succeed on-field. That's an entirely separate and wide debate.

Personally, if you really want my opinion, I don't care if Pascoe stays or goes. I believe he is fairly good at his job from a business perspective, and there cannot be any argument that from an off-field perspective we are fairly stable and financially viable, especially taking into account our chequered history of factionalism and selfish self-preservation, and a general lack of football success that could be used as a launchpad for financial success.

But I don't care if Pascoe gets the boot. We may or may not be able to find a better CEO, and I am not sufficiently qualified or informed to make that call.

If we decide to boot Pascoe simply because of ongoing football failures, or a decision for a change in direction - so be it, fine, I am not upset.
 
Tcat said:
Scomo copped a flogging when he pissed off to Hawaii during the NSW Bushfires, even tho it was a state issue and he doesnt pick up the hoses and put out the fire. Point being, the leaders of organisations get paid ridiculous money to be in their positions and its their job to be present when things turn to crap. We are spiralling atm and he's off fishing. Doesn't sit right with me.
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Yeah but Scomo is an elected politician and literally a representative of his constituents. He gets to his position via a popularity contest. The PM's job includes saving face and keeping up appearances, which are part of a politician's job description.

Pascoe runs a business and answers to a board. Pascoe's boss would have rubber-stamped his holidays.

So they are not really comparable except that some ppl get upset about both instances. Obviously the criticism of Scomo based on decision-making or "holding hoses" is weak, because he does not make the calls or fight the fires himself, and certainly the PM is only a phone call away. Criticism of Scomo based on "appearances" is valid, because being PM is a popularity contest.
 
Furious1 said:
Come on mate. You always give a calm and measured response to things but I'm really surprised at this from you.
Pascoe is the leader (a term i use very loosely for him) of the club. In reality from a physical sense there is nothing he can do for the footy team, but Wests Tigers is an organisation that has struggled for a long time to have any sort of identity and having the CEO go on holidays while the club is setting records (0-5) for all the wrong reasons only adds to the perception that we are not a well run club.
He was happy to be front and centre in his Doco, yet has disappeared when the hounds are at the door. To compare him taking leave with other staff having sick days is laughable. They are not paid to be the boss, nor are they the head of the organisation.
As for there being no issue if we were 5-0 or 2-3, you're right, there wouldn't be, because we wouldn't be the laughing stock of the league and the perception wouldn't be we are a leaderless rabble. Our club lacks credibility ( justifiably so) and sure as hell isn't helped by old mate up there sipping Pina Coladas.

"Well run club" ............a comment that is never used to describe Wests Tigers.
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On a scale of 1 to 5, 1 being "no issue whatsoever" and 5 being "major horrible trauma" I consider the vacation to be a 2. It's not nothing, but it's insignificant.

If it really has no bearing on what the club is doing right now, then that's the end of it for me. If Pascoe being away makes no practical difference between last week and this week, then fine it makes no difference and not worth getting worked up about.

I'll say it again - he will have had his holiday's approved and planned already, he isn't just going rogue a la Sonny Bill and disappearing without notice.

Perception is irrelevant, the CEO's job is not a popularity contest. The only thing that will turn Tigers around is wins. The perception of Tigers cannot really get worse, we are already soaked to the bone. The media will invent things to complain about as they pile the muck on. It's not just generating content - portions of the media appear to revel in the sick pleasure of flogging dead horses.

They invented a story with James Roberts on the pokies, they invented a story about Pascoe taking a vacation. People got upset because Daine Laurie wore a Panthers jersey last year. I understand the responses to these incidents but they are all rather primal, primitive, non-constructive responses.

Who knows, maybe Pascoe is on stress leave and he has been given time off for his mental health. Imagine that, if Pascoe came back and pulled the Mitchell Moses "mental health" card. Would people still want to pile on then?
 
jirskyr said:
Who knows, maybe Pascoe is on stress leave and he has been given time off for his mental health. Imagine that, if Pascoe came back and pulled the Mitchell Moses "mental health" card. Would people still want to pile on then?
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Probably. Because if people don’t like you they will accuse you of using the mental health card as a crutch.
 
jirskyr said:
OK but this thread didn't start as a critique of Pascoe's entire operation. It started only as a commentary about the holiday he took, and whether or not that was bad timing.

I've only commented on the holiday itself. I haven't commented on his back-catalogue of mistakes or the ongoing failure of the Tigers to succeed on-field. That's an entirely separate and wide debate.

Personally, if you really want my opinion, I don't care if Pascoe stays or goes. I believe he is fairly good at his job from a business perspective, and there cannot be any argument that from an off-field perspective we are fairly stable and financially viable, especially taking into account our chequered history of factionalism and selfish self-preservation, and a general lack of football success that could be used as a launchpad for financial success.

But I don't care if Pascoe gets the boot. We may or may not be able to find a better CEO, and I am not sufficiently qualified or informed to make that call.

If we decide to boot Pascoe simply because of ongoing football failures, or a decision for a change in direction - so be it, fine, I am not upset.
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Fair enough. My entire view can be summed up by this. Had he walked into an interview in 2015 and laid out his vision for the club in 5-7 years, would it look like this?
 
He doesn't need to be fired over this and this shouldn't even be put in any columns. Even putting this thing in any "for or against" column would be wrong.
 
jirskyr said:
OK but this thread didn't start as a critique of Pascoe's entire operation. It started only as a commentary about the holiday he took, and whether or not that was bad timing.

I've only commented on the holiday itself. I haven't commented on his back-catalogue of mistakes or the ongoing failure of the Tigers to succeed on-field. That's an entirely separate and wide debate.

Personally, if you really want my opinion, I don't care if Pascoe stays or goes. I believe he is fairly good at his job from a business perspective, and there cannot be any argument that from an off-field perspective we are fairly stable and financially viable, especially taking into account our chequered history of factionalism and selfish self-preservation, and a general lack of football success that could be used as a launchpad for financial success.

But I don't care if Pascoe gets the boot. We may or may not be able to find a better CEO, and I am not sufficiently qualified or informed to make that call.

If we decide to boot Pascoe simply because of ongoing football failures, or a decision for a change in direction - so be it, fine, I am not upset.
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Fair dinkum??

The litany of failures prove your subjective assessment to be so far off the mark it beggars belief that you typed it!!
 
jirskyr said:
On a scale of 1 to 5, 1 being "no issue whatsoever" and 5 being "major horrible trauma" I consider the vacation to be a 2. It's not nothing, but it's insignificant.

If it really has no bearing on what the club is doing right now, then that's the end of it for me. If Pascoe being away makes no practical difference between last week and this week, then fine it makes no difference and not worth getting worked up about.

I'll say it again - he will have had his holiday's approved and planned already, he isn't just going rogue a la Sonny Bill and disappearing without notice.

Perception is irrelevant, the CEO's job is not a popularity contest. The only thing that will turn Tigers around is wins. The perception of Tigers cannot really get worse, we are already soaked to the bone. The media will invent things to complain about as they pile the muck on. It's not just generating content - portions of the media appear to revel in the sick pleasure of flogging dead horses.

They invented a story with James Roberts on the pokies, they invented a story about Pascoe taking a vacation. People got upset because Daine Laurie wore a Panthers jersey last year. I understand the responses to these incidents but they are all rather primal, primitive, non-constructive responses.

Who knows, maybe Pascoe is on stress leave and he has been given time off for his mental health. Imagine that, if Pascoe came back and pulled the Mitchell Moses "mental health" card. Would people still want to pile on then?
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Given that you concede: "We may or may not be able to find a better CEO, and I am not sufficiently qualified or informed to make that call."

You sure have alot to say about the matter for someone so unqualified and evidently ill-informed!

The arrogance of your pontificating posts is simply breathtaking.
 
jirskyr said:
Are you calling me a Pascoe supporter? I'm not a Pascoe supporter, I'm a moderate. I think he's doing not a great job, not a terrible job. There's plenty to criticise Pascoe about, but taking a break really isn't one of them.
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Taking holidays when we have 2 away games....
 
Snidest 0 said:
Given that you concede: "We may or may not be able to find a better CEO, and I am not sufficiently qualified or informed to make that call."

You sure have alot to say about the matter for someone so unqualified and evidently ill-informed!

The arrogance of your pontificating posts is simply breathtaking.
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Sorry who are you?
 
jirskyr said:
Sorry who are you?
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Who are you - aside from a QA specialist who uses a subtle reference from a mid-20th century dystopian novel as their online alias?

I am me - genius!

Grow up & accept an honest response on a forum from someone who can translate your nonsense!

You are a self-described "moderate" in a non-political coversation that is clearly over your head sir!
 
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