Great news, I think he is underrated.
Tigers_Wests
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Max Taotua and Pheonix Godinet the 2 real shining lights in todays game for me. Pheonix in a couple of runs showed just what he is capable of. Unfortunately didn't see a heap of ball after that point. Super positive sign to see a 17/18 year old backrower produce that in NSW Cup.
Max Taotua handled the step up with ease and looked very dangerous.
Plenty of ups and downs for a lot of the other boys.
Kit looked incredible with ball in hand and has made huge developments in his game in this area. His job over the pre-season is to now work on his defensive aspect and the 1% stuff.
Solo looked comfortable with ball in hand and ran well. But laziness/unwilling to put his body on the line at times in defence in the last 15 minutes hurt (and has been the question mark over him moving forward). Coming off contract at end of 26' and with Benji recruiting the likes of Roberts and Geyer (along with the emergence of Pheonix), Saukuru will need to show he is willing to put his body on the line and work on the stuff off the ball. I never doubt his attacking ability and I rate him highly. I really hope he succeeds...but it is a huge 6 to 12 months ahead for him.
After 55 minutes I thought we were looking on top and I was starting to think "by how many" in our favour. Unfortunately the shift in momentum and lack of defensive resolve today determined our fate.
Not end of the world stuff and the roster doesn't need to be fully blown up (yes some changes...but not everyone!). Plenty of young blokes got some valuable experience today and this year. The loss doesn't cover over cracks that may have happened had we potentially won the match and it certainly gives the boys who are here next year areas to work on.
Last year these Cup boys were getting pumped like this every game and it was not a pleasure to watch. There have been improvements in 2025 and we had a stretch this year where finals weren't totally out of the question. They were actually great to watch!
Some tweaks to the roster, some more experience for the younger lads and a big pre-season should see us continue on an upward trajectory.
Max Taotua handled the step up with ease and looked very dangerous.
Plenty of ups and downs for a lot of the other boys.
Kit looked incredible with ball in hand and has made huge developments in his game in this area. His job over the pre-season is to now work on his defensive aspect and the 1% stuff.
Solo looked comfortable with ball in hand and ran well. But laziness/unwilling to put his body on the line at times in defence in the last 15 minutes hurt (and has been the question mark over him moving forward). Coming off contract at end of 26' and with Benji recruiting the likes of Roberts and Geyer (along with the emergence of Pheonix), Saukuru will need to show he is willing to put his body on the line and work on the stuff off the ball. I never doubt his attacking ability and I rate him highly. I really hope he succeeds...but it is a huge 6 to 12 months ahead for him.
After 55 minutes I thought we were looking on top and I was starting to think "by how many" in our favour. Unfortunately the shift in momentum and lack of defensive resolve today determined our fate.
Not end of the world stuff and the roster doesn't need to be fully blown up (yes some changes...but not everyone!). Plenty of young blokes got some valuable experience today and this year. The loss doesn't cover over cracks that may have happened had we potentially won the match and it certainly gives the boys who are here next year areas to work on.
Last year these Cup boys were getting pumped like this every game and it was not a pleasure to watch. There have been improvements in 2025 and we had a stretch this year where finals weren't totally out of the question. They were actually great to watch!
Some tweaks to the roster, some more experience for the younger lads and a big pre-season should see us continue on an upward trajectory.
BlackWhiteGold
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Most of the boys just didn't turn up with the defensive resolve & attitude backed up by the stats of 49 missed tackles to 14. Roosters had 11 line breaks to our 2. Pretty damning those 2 team stats right there.
In my previous post, I mentioned the middles let us down ...
Peter Taateo 7 missed 2 ineffective
Kit Laulilii 5 missed 1 ineffective
Jaxson Rahme 5 missed 1 ineffective
plus on the left edge Mapapalangi 3 missed 4 ineffective & Saukuru 5 missed 1 ineffective.
One thing we need to turn around in the pre-season is the defensive resolve & intent of players right through our roster. It is no good being damaging on one side of the ball when the opposition punches through you on the other.
I'm p*ssed & disappointed particularly in Taateo & Mapapalangi as I've seen the talent they have with the ball and to be on the fringe of the NRL. Their defence is just not good enough!
Now let's have a look at 3 hungry young players getting an opportunity
Pheonix Godinet 1 missed 1 ineffective 90% efficiency in 51 mins
Elijah Mataale 0 missed 1 ineffective 94% efficiency in 36 mins
Max Taotua 2 missed 0 ineffective 86% efficiency in 80 mins
Buttface
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Those D stats are alarming to say the least.
I’m sick of this ineffective tackle stat; if your tackle is poor enough to put your team under pressure then it’s a miss.
For me D shows how much you want it.
I am interested to know the age of each of those players you mentioned. Is it also the younger ones out performing the older players? Bcoz that’s the vibe I was getting.
Kit Laulilli his stats there are disappointing, it seems to me that those two brothers have been highly regarded and looked after a bit, and I would think if he was showing more attitude and ability in defence he would be getting a run in NRL?
Anyway, thanks love ya work.
BlackWhiteGold
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I suspect we have guaranteed him something for next season given he had a contract at the Raiders. From what I have seen imo, it should be no more than a NSW Cup deal.
BlackWhiteGold
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So true Bf.
In fairness, we were still in the game with 20 mins to go so there was some intent there, mainly moments of class from Hope, Naden & Lobb with good go-forward by our forwards. Just that last 20 mins in defence was diabolical. Maybe we are being harsh on the team in general but the efforts of KMapz & Taateo in recent weeks has told a story of where they are at (and it's not NRL level imo).
tigahhh
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you can see why Sukkar & Murray for all their faults are the ones being picked over these guys. they obviously do the 1%ers benji wants. maybe they aren’t being retained by the club and checked out early.
Payne and Kimmorley have deplorable coaching records. Nobody in their right mind would suggest keeping them on another year. You might be right about adding support, I won't argue that.
Tiger_Yoshi
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BWG...just want to say i appreciate the insights you bring to this forum, especially our pathways
Betterdays22
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Agreed. Provides lots of hope but also very measured and realistic about players in the pathways. Really value the contributions of BWG and others here
BlackWhiteGold
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I think so @tigahhh , almost like Benji has defensive &effort parameters this season that have to be met before playing NRL.
BlackWhiteGold
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Thanks guys. Will do a season wrap for both NSW Cup & Jersey Flegg over the next couple of weeks.
Tiger Stripes
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I was at the game yesterday.
My overall impression was;
1. A lot of new faces and not much time to gel
2. They were shell shocked in the 1st 10 min. of the speed of the game
3. They regrouped and gave as as good as they got.
4. The pack just ran out of puff towards the end. Their fitness or smaller size just caught up with them.
5. Great experience for the young guys with what's needed for next year. Up another gear or two.
Life is not meant to be easy.
TS I know you have been to plenty of games this season.
Aside from Makasini, which players that have not yet played NRL for us, fibula think are a good chance of making their NRL debut at some stage next season ?
What are your thoughts on the Laulilli brothers? Do you think they have the necessary improvement in them to become NRL regulars, or do you think they have a limited ceiling and might not get there ?
I’d like to see everyone else’s opinions on these topics also.
Yes your comments are fair enough
I'm especially not glad when they have 50 pts put on them
Makes me fearful about the lack of depth available to our NRL side
Tiger Stripes
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My humble opinion is;
I am big fan of Shane Sultana. (BTW, I used to work with another Sultana of Maltese heritage. Both of South Sydney background). I think he can identify and nurture future talent better than most. I've never met him; but assume the players show respect to his coaching, communications and ability to improve their game and chances of a successful NRL career.
So, why all this fluff of someone I have never met? Well, since his arrival at the Balmain S G Ball side he got them up to beat the red hot favourites Wests Magpies game 1. They then far exceeded their ranking.
He was promoted to coach a poorly performing Jersey Flegg side; assessed their abilities, best positions and coached them as such. And they of almost made the finals.
Where is all this going?
Last weekend around 5 Flegg players were given a taste of KOE. They held their own for most of the game until fatigue or inexperience kicked in. The point being; Shane Sultana earmarked these guys as our future. Max Taatua, Solo Saukuru, Pheonix Godinet, Elijah Mataale, Iverson Matai.
He is in a much better position than me to know exactly who has got the natural ability AND the desire to succeed. [Notable exception Tino Tavana? Could have shared with Lobb on the wing]
To answer your question on Kit Laulilii, not the NRL standard. I think he would get smashed-not big enough to last. Luke.....has a long way to go to eliminate his errors. Better players available. Tino is a favourite on here for starters!
PS. Vicious; Always enjoy hearing your valued opinions.
I dunno about Kit mate . Plenty of pocket rockets who play above thier weight . A Havillli type without the dummy half skills .
BlackWhiteGold
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Aaron Payne to depart from NSW Cup coaching role
Wests Tigers can confirm that NSW Cup Head Coach, Aaron Payne will not return to lead the Western Suburbs Magpies for the 2026 season.
www.weststigers.com.au
Didn't really stamp himself as a good coach.Aaron Payne to depart from NSW Cup coaching role
Wests Tigers can confirm that NSW Cup Head Coach, Aaron Payne will not return to lead the Western Suburbs Magpies for the 2026 season.
Wonder who will get the part time job, replacing him?
BlackWhiteGold
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Matt Church (Brisbane Tigers)
Jarred Farlow (Magpies Cup Asst Coach)
David Penna (Tweed Seagulls)
Other potentials anyone?
Both Church & Penna have finished at their QCup teams.
