Paul Kent - 'Take a flamethrower to the roster'

[Telltails]

When the SOO series sits at 76 -0 and one club has seven representatives - the talent pool is looking thin. Every club know what they need to be better it's just not readily available.

6 of those blokes debuted at penrith. Lazy or poorly run clubs not developing is the problem.

Still doesn't help resolve the current problem of the lack of talent. Clubs paying a fortune for halves that don't cut it - because there are only about three that are any good. Players are getting too much money to bother improving when they know some other club will pick them up. Managers are currently what real estate agents are to the property market - reaping the rewards of market where the stock is limited and the prices inflated.

 

[Russell]

I like how when new players are signed - "how good is Hartigan," "just the type of player we should have signed," "roster looking just great." "Best move we ever made, signing Hartigan, doesn't pay overs either etc."

After a few games - "Player xyz is an absolute dud," "why would Madge sign him?" "Madge has to go, couldn't even sign his own name,"
"Well it's his roster, he signed them etc."

Good signings, it is Hartigan, Bad signings it is Madge - make up your minds.

This thread is just another excuse for a Madge bashing it would seem.

 

[MarySt]

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Yet he doesnt hold madge accountable for any of it?

Tom Amone - Madge signing
Shawn Blore - Madge signing
Luke Brooks - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Michael Chee-Kam - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Zac Cini - Past signing
Adam Doueihi (gk) - Madge signing
Luke Garner - Past signing
Asu Kepaoa - Madge signing
Daine Laurie - Madge signing
Joseph Leilua - Madge signing
Luciano Leilua - Madge signing
Jacob Liddle - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jock Madden (gk) - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Ken Maumalo - Madge signing
Moses Mbye (gk) - Past signing
Thomas Mikaele - Past signing
Zane Musgrove - Madge signing
David Nofoaluma - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Joe Ofahengaue - Madge signing
Russell Packer - Past signing
James Roberts - Madge signing
Alex Seyfarth - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jake Simpkin - Madge signing
Tukimihia Simpkins - Madge signing
Tommy Talau - Past signing - Madge re-signing
James Tamou (c) - Madge signing
Alex Twal - Past signing
Stefano Utoikamanu - Madge signing
Billy Walters - Madge signing
Reece Hoffman - Past signing
William Kei - Madge signing
Kelma Tuilagi - Madge signing
Extended squad
Kiah Cooper - Madge signing
Junior Pauga - Madge signing


only 7 of the squad were from before Madges time... whos responsible here?

The players.

Makes you wonder why he signed them?

I think you need to understand how the process here works? If you are interested, google Adam Hartigan's story about joining the WT's, probably around the pre-season, it explains it quite well, it is also on here, but couldn't tell you where?

So he's not responsible for recruitment or the poor performances on the field. What is he responsible for?

hes not responsible for anything, he is truly untouchable and none of the clubs results from this year or the two years prior have anything to do with him, didnt you know?

The thing is, you have to have 30 players on the books. You have to make choices. Madge was set a task to rebuild after the joint was practically burnt to the ground. To get to the 30, he signed a couple of stop gaps that may or may not have worked, ie: BJ, JTJ, etc. His priority signings were AD, DL, Simpkin, Simpkins, Blore and all the other 19 and 20 year olds who will be stars ( hopefully ) in a year or two ( or three ). Look at the improvement in Seyfarth from last season. Tamou is here for two years to help those guys along. Good move. Joffa is also a great signing, experience and grit for low dollars. Madge has a modicum of patience, unlike most forumers, and confidence in his long term plan. The team he won the comp with at Souths was built around two stars in Sam Burgess and Greg Inglis, but Adam Reynolds was only a two season veteran, Dylan Walker season and a half, Johston, Gray, Koriasu rookies....he know's how to put a side together.

Your job as a coach is primarily a man manager, to get the best out of the players and ensure success on the field

You can blame the players, but the coach is responsible for their attitude, he has assembled them, he is responsible for their performance

What a load of RUBBISH!

The players are responsible for their own attitude, nobody else. If they won't buy in to what the club, coach and the team are trying to achieve, you cannot change it. You have to get rid of the ones that won't.

Eg. Latrine would not buy in to what Freddy and NSW where doing a couple of years ago - he was dropped.
Last year he did not play.
This year in his own words "I have bought into what Freddy and the NSW team are doing" ....

Attitude is all on the player.

It's not all on the player, they're responsible to some extent but need to be helped as well. Look at how many players leave struggling clubs and go on to be strong performers at the storm, like Jahrome Hughes, Reimis Smith, Brenko Lee, Nicho Hynes etc etc

Some are beyond helping sometimes but how many more times do we need to 'torch' our roster or replace coaches before we see results?

 

[TrueTiger]

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Yet he doesnt hold madge accountable for any of it?

Tom Amone - Madge signing
Shawn Blore - Madge signing
Luke Brooks - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Michael Chee-Kam - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Zac Cini - Past signing
Adam Doueihi (gk) - Madge signing
Luke Garner - Past signing
Asu Kepaoa - Madge signing
Daine Laurie - Madge signing
Joseph Leilua - Madge signing
Luciano Leilua - Madge signing
Jacob Liddle - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jock Madden (gk) - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Ken Maumalo - Madge signing
Moses Mbye (gk) - Past signing
Thomas Mikaele - Past signing
Zane Musgrove - Madge signing
David Nofoaluma - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Joe Ofahengaue - Madge signing
Russell Packer - Past signing
James Roberts - Madge signing
Alex Seyfarth - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jake Simpkin - Madge signing
Tukimihia Simpkins - Madge signing
Tommy Talau - Past signing - Madge re-signing
James Tamou (c) - Madge signing
Alex Twal - Past signing
Stefano Utoikamanu - Madge signing
Billy Walters - Madge signing
Reece Hoffman - Past signing
William Kei - Madge signing
Kelma Tuilagi - Madge signing
Extended squad
Kiah Cooper - Madge signing
Junior Pauga - Madge signing


only 7 of the squad were from before Madges time... whos responsible here?

The players.

Makes you wonder why he signed them?

I think you need to understand how the process here works? If you are interested, google Adam Hartigan's story about joining the WT's, probably around the pre-season, it explains it quite well, it is also on here, but couldn't tell you where?

So he's not responsible for recruitment or the poor performances on the field. What is he responsible for?

hes not responsible for anything, he is truly untouchable and none of the clubs results from this year or the two years prior have anything to do with him, didnt you know?

The thing is, you have to have 30 players on the books. You have to make choices. Madge was set a task to rebuild after the joint was practically burnt to the ground. To get to the 30, he signed a couple of stop gaps that may or may not have worked, ie: BJ, JTJ, etc. His priority signings were AD, DL, Simpkin, Simpkins, Blore and all the other 19 and 20 year olds who will be stars ( hopefully ) in a year or two ( or three ). Look at the improvement in Seyfarth from last season. Tamou is here for two years to help those guys along. Good move. Joffa is also a great signing, experience and grit for low dollars. Madge has a modicum of patience, unlike most forumers, and confidence in his long term plan. The team he won the comp with at Souths was built around two stars in Sam Burgess and Greg Inglis, but Adam Reynolds was only a two season veteran, Dylan Walker season and a half, Johston, Gray, Koriasu rookies....he know's how to put a side together.

Your job as a coach is primarily a man manager, to get the best out of the players and ensure success on the field

You can blame the players, but the coach is responsible for their attitude, he has assembled them, he is responsible for their performance

What a load of RUBBISH!

The players are responsible for their own attitude, nobody else. If they won't buy in to what the club, coach and the team are trying to achieve, you cannot change it. You have to get rid of the ones that won't.

Eg. Latrine would not buy in to what Freddy and NSW where doing a couple of years ago - he was dropped.
Last year he did not play.
This year in his own words "I have bought into what Freddy and the NSW team are doing" ....

Attitude is all on the player.

It's not all on the player, they're responsible to some extent but need to be helped as well. Look at how many players leave struggling clubs and go on to be strong performers at the storm, like Jahrome Hughes, Reimis Smith, Brenko Lee, Nicho Hynes etc etc

Some are beyond helping sometimes but how many more times do we need to 'torch' our roster or replace coaches before we see results?

First of all the Storm system has been set up for many years with the same coach for many years...players do well because the Storm are consistent in maintaining stability and discipline..
Madge has come to a system that he is overhauling and is trying to develop and buy young talent so the future is much clearer from the clubs point of view as well as a huge cultural change that has been needed for quite some time...we will develop players in the mould of Hynes,Smith etc etc,but as most really good things it takes time to establish a winning platform for many years to come...
Madge has plenty of knockers,but you cant knock his passion for the club and to develop youth from within...

 

[MarySt]

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Yet he doesnt hold madge accountable for any of it?

Tom Amone - Madge signing
Shawn Blore - Madge signing
Luke Brooks - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Michael Chee-Kam - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Zac Cini - Past signing
Adam Doueihi (gk) - Madge signing
Luke Garner - Past signing
Asu Kepaoa - Madge signing
Daine Laurie - Madge signing
Joseph Leilua - Madge signing
Luciano Leilua - Madge signing
Jacob Liddle - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jock Madden (gk) - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Ken Maumalo - Madge signing
Moses Mbye (gk) - Past signing
Thomas Mikaele - Past signing
Zane Musgrove - Madge signing
David Nofoaluma - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Joe Ofahengaue - Madge signing
Russell Packer - Past signing
James Roberts - Madge signing
Alex Seyfarth - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jake Simpkin - Madge signing
Tukimihia Simpkins - Madge signing
Tommy Talau - Past signing - Madge re-signing
James Tamou (c) - Madge signing
Alex Twal - Past signing
Stefano Utoikamanu - Madge signing
Billy Walters - Madge signing
Reece Hoffman - Past signing
William Kei - Madge signing
Kelma Tuilagi - Madge signing
Extended squad
Kiah Cooper - Madge signing
Junior Pauga - Madge signing


only 7 of the squad were from before Madges time... whos responsible here?

The players.

Makes you wonder why he signed them?

I think you need to understand how the process here works? If you are interested, google Adam Hartigan's story about joining the WT's, probably around the pre-season, it explains it quite well, it is also on here, but couldn't tell you where?

So he's not responsible for recruitment or the poor performances on the field. What is he responsible for?

hes not responsible for anything, he is truly untouchable and none of the clubs results from this year or the two years prior have anything to do with him, didnt you know?

The thing is, you have to have 30 players on the books. You have to make choices. Madge was set a task to rebuild after the joint was practically burnt to the ground. To get to the 30, he signed a couple of stop gaps that may or may not have worked, ie: BJ, JTJ, etc. His priority signings were AD, DL, Simpkin, Simpkins, Blore and all the other 19 and 20 year olds who will be stars ( hopefully ) in a year or two ( or three ). Look at the improvement in Seyfarth from last season. Tamou is here for two years to help those guys along. Good move. Joffa is also a great signing, experience and grit for low dollars. Madge has a modicum of patience, unlike most forumers, and confidence in his long term plan. The team he won the comp with at Souths was built around two stars in Sam Burgess and Greg Inglis, but Adam Reynolds was only a two season veteran, Dylan Walker season and a half, Johston, Gray, Koriasu rookies....he know's how to put a side together.

Your job as a coach is primarily a man manager, to get the best out of the players and ensure success on the field

You can blame the players, but the coach is responsible for their attitude, he has assembled them, he is responsible for their performance

What a load of RUBBISH!

The players are responsible for their own attitude, nobody else. If they won't buy in to what the club, coach and the team are trying to achieve, you cannot change it. You have to get rid of the ones that won't.

Eg. Latrine would not buy in to what Freddy and NSW where doing a couple of years ago - he was dropped.
Last year he did not play.
This year in his own words "I have bought into what Freddy and the NSW team are doing" ....

Attitude is all on the player.

It's not all on the player, they're responsible to some extent but need to be helped as well. Look at how many players leave struggling clubs and go on to be strong performers at the storm, like Jahrome Hughes, Reimis Smith, Brenko Lee, Nicho Hynes etc etc

Some are beyond helping sometimes but how many more times do we need to 'torch' our roster or replace coaches before we see results?

First of all the Storm system has been set up for many years with the same coach for many years...players do well because the Storm are consistent in maintaining stability and discipline..
Madge has come to a system that he is overhauling and is trying to develop and buy young talent so the future is much clearer from the clubs point of view as well as a huge cultural change that has been needed for quite some time...we will develop players in the mould of Hynes,Smith etc etc,but as most really good things it takes time to establish a winning platform for many years to come...
Madge has plenty of knockers,but you cant knock his passion for the club and to develop youth from within...

agreed

my argument, is that the responsibility lies on both player and coach

 

[TrueTiger]

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Yet he doesnt hold madge accountable for any of it?

Tom Amone - Madge signing
Shawn Blore - Madge signing
Luke Brooks - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Michael Chee-Kam - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Zac Cini - Past signing
Adam Doueihi (gk) - Madge signing
Luke Garner - Past signing
Asu Kepaoa - Madge signing
Daine Laurie - Madge signing
Joseph Leilua - Madge signing
Luciano Leilua - Madge signing
Jacob Liddle - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jock Madden (gk) - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Ken Maumalo - Madge signing
Moses Mbye (gk) - Past signing
Thomas Mikaele - Past signing
Zane Musgrove - Madge signing
David Nofoaluma - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Joe Ofahengaue - Madge signing
Russell Packer - Past signing
James Roberts - Madge signing
Alex Seyfarth - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jake Simpkin - Madge signing
Tukimihia Simpkins - Madge signing
Tommy Talau - Past signing - Madge re-signing
James Tamou (c) - Madge signing
Alex Twal - Past signing
Stefano Utoikamanu - Madge signing
Billy Walters - Madge signing
Reece Hoffman - Past signing
William Kei - Madge signing
Kelma Tuilagi - Madge signing
Extended squad
Kiah Cooper - Madge signing
Junior Pauga - Madge signing


only 7 of the squad were from before Madges time... whos responsible here?

The players.

Makes you wonder why he signed them?

I think you need to understand how the process here works? If you are interested, google Adam Hartigan's story about joining the WT's, probably around the pre-season, it explains it quite well, it is also on here, but couldn't tell you where?

So he's not responsible for recruitment or the poor performances on the field. What is he responsible for?

hes not responsible for anything, he is truly untouchable and none of the clubs results from this year or the two years prior have anything to do with him, didnt you know?

The thing is, you have to have 30 players on the books. You have to make choices. Madge was set a task to rebuild after the joint was practically burnt to the ground. To get to the 30, he signed a couple of stop gaps that may or may not have worked, ie: BJ, JTJ, etc. His priority signings were AD, DL, Simpkin, Simpkins, Blore and all the other 19 and 20 year olds who will be stars ( hopefully ) in a year or two ( or three ). Look at the improvement in Seyfarth from last season. Tamou is here for two years to help those guys along. Good move. Joffa is also a great signing, experience and grit for low dollars. Madge has a modicum of patience, unlike most forumers, and confidence in his long term plan. The team he won the comp with at Souths was built around two stars in Sam Burgess and Greg Inglis, but Adam Reynolds was only a two season veteran, Dylan Walker season and a half, Johston, Gray, Koriasu rookies....he know's how to put a side together.

Your job as a coach is primarily a man manager, to get the best out of the players and ensure success on the field

You can blame the players, but the coach is responsible for their attitude, he has assembled them, he is responsible for their performance

What a load of RUBBISH!

The players are responsible for their own attitude, nobody else. If they won't buy in to what the club, coach and the team are trying to achieve, you cannot change it. You have to get rid of the ones that won't.

Eg. Latrine would not buy in to what Freddy and NSW where doing a couple of years ago - he was dropped.
Last year he did not play.
This year in his own words "I have bought into what Freddy and the NSW team are doing" ....

Attitude is all on the player.

It's not all on the player, they're responsible to some extent but need to be helped as well. Look at how many players leave struggling clubs and go on to be strong performers at the storm, like Jahrome Hughes, Reimis Smith, Brenko Lee, Nicho Hynes etc etc

Some are beyond helping sometimes but how many more times do we need to 'torch' our roster or replace coaches before we see results?

First of all the Storm system has been set up for many years with the same coach for many years...players do well because the Storm are consistent in maintaining stability and discipline..
Madge has come to a system that he is overhauling and is trying to develop and buy young talent so the future is much clearer from the clubs point of view as well as a huge cultural change that has been needed for quite some time...we will develop players in the mould of Hynes,Smith etc etc,but as most really good things it takes time to establish a winning platform for many years to come...
Madge has plenty of knockers,but you cant knock his passion for the club and to develop youth from within...

agreed

my argument, is that the responsibility lies on both player and coach

Yeah I agree,however if the players attitude stinks in relation to what the coach and club need than that is solely on them...

 

[TigerWest]

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Yet he doesnt hold madge accountable for any of it?

Tom Amone - Madge signing
Shawn Blore - Madge signing
Luke Brooks - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Michael Chee-Kam - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Zac Cini - Past signing
Adam Doueihi (gk) - Madge signing
Luke Garner - Past signing
Asu Kepaoa - Madge signing
Daine Laurie - Madge signing
Joseph Leilua - Madge signing
Luciano Leilua - Madge signing
Jacob Liddle - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jock Madden (gk) - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Ken Maumalo - Madge signing
Moses Mbye (gk) - Past signing
Thomas Mikaele - Past signing
Zane Musgrove - Madge signing
David Nofoaluma - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Joe Ofahengaue - Madge signing
Russell Packer - Past signing
James Roberts - Madge signing
Alex Seyfarth - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jake Simpkin - Madge signing
Tukimihia Simpkins - Madge signing
Tommy Talau - Past signing - Madge re-signing
James Tamou (c) - Madge signing
Alex Twal - Past signing
Stefano Utoikamanu - Madge signing
Billy Walters - Madge signing
Reece Hoffman - Past signing
William Kei - Madge signing
Kelma Tuilagi - Madge signing
Extended squad
Kiah Cooper - Madge signing
Junior Pauga - Madge signing


only 7 of the squad were from before Madges time... whos responsible here?

The players.

Makes you wonder why he signed them?

I think you need to understand how the process here works? If you are interested, google Adam Hartigan's story about joining the WT's, probably around the pre-season, it explains it quite well, it is also on here, but couldn't tell you where?

So he's not responsible for recruitment or the poor performances on the field. What is he responsible for?

hes not responsible for anything, he is truly untouchable and none of the clubs results from this year or the two years prior have anything to do with him, didnt you know?

The thing is, you have to have 30 players on the books. You have to make choices. Madge was set a task to rebuild after the joint was practically burnt to the ground. To get to the 30, he signed a couple of stop gaps that may or may not have worked, ie: BJ, JTJ, etc. His priority signings were AD, DL, Simpkin, Simpkins, Blore and all the other 19 and 20 year olds who will be stars ( hopefully ) in a year or two ( or three ). Look at the improvement in Seyfarth from last season. Tamou is here for two years to help those guys along. Good move. Joffa is also a great signing, experience and grit for low dollars. Madge has a modicum of patience, unlike most forumers, and confidence in his long term plan. The team he won the comp with at Souths was built around two stars in Sam Burgess and Greg Inglis, but Adam Reynolds was only a two season veteran, Dylan Walker season and a half, Johston, Gray, Koriasu rookies....he know's how to put a side together.

Your job as a coach is primarily a man manager, to get the best out of the players and ensure success on the field

You can blame the players, but the coach is responsible for their attitude, he has assembled them, he is responsible for their performance

What a load of RUBBISH!

The players are responsible for their own attitude, nobody else. If they won't buy in to what the club, coach and the team are trying to achieve, you cannot change it. You have to get rid of the ones that won't.

Eg. Latrine would not buy in to what Freddy and NSW where doing a couple of years ago - he was dropped.
Last year he did not play.
This year in his own words "I have bought into what Freddy and the NSW team are doing" ....

Attitude is all on the player.

It's not all on the player, they're responsible to some extent but need to be helped as well. Look at how many players leave struggling clubs and go on to be strong performers at the storm, like Jahrome Hughes, Reimis Smith, Brenko Lee, Nicho Hynes etc etc

Some are beyond helping sometimes but how many more times do we need to 'torch' our roster or replace coaches before we see results?

Just wonder what you think will happen to the Storm, when Bellamy leaves?

There is no doubt, he is a great coach, but will it last when he's gone?

For me, I seriously believe, it is all a cycle? Bronc's are a classic example.

Panthers will find it hard to retain the elite players they have, due to cap issues, I think they will struggle if they don't win it this year?
Are the Roosters on a downward slide, who knows, but they have lost a few players.

 

[avocadoontoast]

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Yet he doesnt hold madge accountable for any of it?

Tom Amone - Madge signing
Shawn Blore - Madge signing
Luke Brooks - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Michael Chee-Kam - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Zac Cini - Past signing
Adam Doueihi (gk) - Madge signing
Luke Garner - Past signing
Asu Kepaoa - Madge signing
Daine Laurie - Madge signing
Joseph Leilua - Madge signing
Luciano Leilua - Madge signing
Jacob Liddle - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jock Madden (gk) - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Ken Maumalo - Madge signing
Moses Mbye (gk) - Past signing
Thomas Mikaele - Past signing
Zane Musgrove - Madge signing
David Nofoaluma - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Joe Ofahengaue - Madge signing
Russell Packer - Past signing
James Roberts - Madge signing
Alex Seyfarth - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jake Simpkin - Madge signing
Tukimihia Simpkins - Madge signing
Tommy Talau - Past signing - Madge re-signing
James Tamou (c) - Madge signing
Alex Twal - Past signing
Stefano Utoikamanu - Madge signing
Billy Walters - Madge signing
Reece Hoffman - Past signing
William Kei - Madge signing
Kelma Tuilagi - Madge signing
Extended squad
Kiah Cooper - Madge signing
Junior Pauga - Madge signing


only 7 of the squad were from before Madges time... whos responsible here?

The players.

Makes you wonder why he signed them?

I think you need to understand how the process here works? If you are interested, google Adam Hartigan's story about joining the WT's, probably around the pre-season, it explains it quite well, it is also on here, but couldn't tell you where?

So he's not responsible for recruitment or the poor performances on the field. What is he responsible for?

hes not responsible for anything, he is truly untouchable and none of the clubs results from this year or the two years prior have anything to do with him, didnt you know?

The thing is, you have to have 30 players on the books. You have to make choices. Madge was set a task to rebuild after the joint was practically burnt to the ground. To get to the 30, he signed a couple of stop gaps that may or may not have worked, ie: BJ, JTJ, etc. His priority signings were AD, DL, Simpkin, Simpkins, Blore and all the other 19 and 20 year olds who will be stars ( hopefully ) in a year or two ( or three ). Look at the improvement in Seyfarth from last season. Tamou is here for two years to help those guys along. Good move. Joffa is also a great signing, experience and grit for low dollars. Madge has a modicum of patience, unlike most forumers, and confidence in his long term plan. The team he won the comp with at Souths was built around two stars in Sam Burgess and Greg Inglis, but Adam Reynolds was only a two season veteran, Dylan Walker season and a half, Johston, Gray, Koriasu rookies....he know's how to put a side together.

Your job as a coach is primarily a man manager, to get the best out of the players and ensure success on the field

You can blame the players, but the coach is responsible for their attitude, he has assembled them, he is responsible for their performance

What a load of RUBBISH!

The players are responsible for their own attitude, nobody else. If they won't buy in to what the club, coach and the team are trying to achieve, you cannot change it. You have to get rid of the ones that won't.

Eg. Latrine would not buy in to what Freddy and NSW where doing a couple of years ago - he was dropped.
Last year he did not play.
This year in his own words "I have bought into what Freddy and the NSW team are doing" ....

Attitude is all on the player.

It's not all on the player, they're responsible to some extent but need to be helped as well. Look at how many players leave struggling clubs and go on to be strong performers at the storm, like Jahrome Hughes, Reimis Smith, Brenko Lee, Nicho Hynes etc etc

Some are beyond helping sometimes but how many more times do we need to 'torch' our roster or replace coaches before we see results?

First of all the Storm system has been set up for many years with the same coach for many years...players do well because the Storm are consistent in maintaining stability and discipline..
Madge has come to a system that he is overhauling and is trying to develop and buy young talent so the future is much clearer from the clubs point of view as well as a huge cultural change that has been needed for quite some time...we will develop players in the mould of Hynes,Smith etc etc,but as most really good things it takes time to establish a winning platform for many years to come...
Madge has plenty of knockers,but you cant knock his passion for the club and to develop youth from within...

agreed

my argument, is that the responsibility lies on both player and coach

Yeah I agree,however if the players attitude stinks in relation to what the coach and club need than that is solely on them...

If I was looking at where we are at the moment i'd apportion 75% of the blame to coaching, and 25% to the players. That's just my opinion though.

 

[TrueTiger]

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Yet he doesnt hold madge accountable for any of it?

Tom Amone - Madge signing
Shawn Blore - Madge signing
Luke Brooks - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Michael Chee-Kam - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Zac Cini - Past signing
Adam Doueihi (gk) - Madge signing
Luke Garner - Past signing
Asu Kepaoa - Madge signing
Daine Laurie - Madge signing
Joseph Leilua - Madge signing
Luciano Leilua - Madge signing
Jacob Liddle - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jock Madden (gk) - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Ken Maumalo - Madge signing
Moses Mbye (gk) - Past signing
Thomas Mikaele - Past signing
Zane Musgrove - Madge signing
David Nofoaluma - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Joe Ofahengaue - Madge signing
Russell Packer - Past signing
James Roberts - Madge signing
Alex Seyfarth - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jake Simpkin - Madge signing
Tukimihia Simpkins - Madge signing
Tommy Talau - Past signing - Madge re-signing
James Tamou (c) - Madge signing
Alex Twal - Past signing
Stefano Utoikamanu - Madge signing
Billy Walters - Madge signing
Reece Hoffman - Past signing
William Kei - Madge signing
Kelma Tuilagi - Madge signing
Extended squad
Kiah Cooper - Madge signing
Junior Pauga - Madge signing


only 7 of the squad were from before Madges time... whos responsible here?

The players.

Makes you wonder why he signed them?

I think you need to understand how the process here works? If you are interested, google Adam Hartigan's story about joining the WT's, probably around the pre-season, it explains it quite well, it is also on here, but couldn't tell you where?

So he's not responsible for recruitment or the poor performances on the field. What is he responsible for?

hes not responsible for anything, he is truly untouchable and none of the clubs results from this year or the two years prior have anything to do with him, didnt you know?

The thing is, you have to have 30 players on the books. You have to make choices. Madge was set a task to rebuild after the joint was practically burnt to the ground. To get to the 30, he signed a couple of stop gaps that may or may not have worked, ie: BJ, JTJ, etc. His priority signings were AD, DL, Simpkin, Simpkins, Blore and all the other 19 and 20 year olds who will be stars ( hopefully ) in a year or two ( or three ). Look at the improvement in Seyfarth from last season. Tamou is here for two years to help those guys along. Good move. Joffa is also a great signing, experience and grit for low dollars. Madge has a modicum of patience, unlike most forumers, and confidence in his long term plan. The team he won the comp with at Souths was built around two stars in Sam Burgess and Greg Inglis, but Adam Reynolds was only a two season veteran, Dylan Walker season and a half, Johston, Gray, Koriasu rookies....he know's how to put a side together.

Your job as a coach is primarily a man manager, to get the best out of the players and ensure success on the field

You can blame the players, but the coach is responsible for their attitude, he has assembled them, he is responsible for their performance

What a load of RUBBISH!

The players are responsible for their own attitude, nobody else. If they won't buy in to what the club, coach and the team are trying to achieve, you cannot change it. You have to get rid of the ones that won't.

Eg. Latrine would not buy in to what Freddy and NSW where doing a couple of years ago - he was dropped.
Last year he did not play.
This year in his own words "I have bought into what Freddy and the NSW team are doing" ....

Attitude is all on the player.

It's not all on the player, they're responsible to some extent but need to be helped as well. Look at how many players leave struggling clubs and go on to be strong performers at the storm, like Jahrome Hughes, Reimis Smith, Brenko Lee, Nicho Hynes etc etc

Some are beyond helping sometimes but how many more times do we need to 'torch' our roster or replace coaches before we see results?

First of all the Storm system has been set up for many years with the same coach for many years...players do well because the Storm are consistent in maintaining stability and discipline..
Madge has come to a system that he is overhauling and is trying to develop and buy young talent so the future is much clearer from the clubs point of view as well as a huge cultural change that has been needed for quite some time...we will develop players in the mould of Hynes,Smith etc etc,but as most really good things it takes time to establish a winning platform for many years to come...
Madge has plenty of knockers,but you cant knock his passion for the club and to develop youth from within...

agreed

my argument, is that the responsibility lies on both player and coach

Yeah I agree,however if the players attitude stinks in relation to what the coach and club need than that is solely on them...

If I was looking at where we are at the moment i'd apportion 75% of the blame to coaching, and 25% to the players. That's just my opinion though.

And thats fair enough....I would also add that the mix of youth and experience still havent found the same page to be on yet,but it will come...

 

[avocadoontoast]

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Yet he doesnt hold madge accountable for any of it?

Tom Amone - Madge signing
Shawn Blore - Madge signing
Luke Brooks - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Michael Chee-Kam - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Zac Cini - Past signing
Adam Doueihi (gk) - Madge signing
Luke Garner - Past signing
Asu Kepaoa - Madge signing
Daine Laurie - Madge signing
Joseph Leilua - Madge signing
Luciano Leilua - Madge signing
Jacob Liddle - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jock Madden (gk) - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Ken Maumalo - Madge signing
Moses Mbye (gk) - Past signing
Thomas Mikaele - Past signing
Zane Musgrove - Madge signing
David Nofoaluma - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Joe Ofahengaue - Madge signing
Russell Packer - Past signing
James Roberts - Madge signing
Alex Seyfarth - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jake Simpkin - Madge signing
Tukimihia Simpkins - Madge signing
Tommy Talau - Past signing - Madge re-signing
James Tamou (c) - Madge signing
Alex Twal - Past signing
Stefano Utoikamanu - Madge signing
Billy Walters - Madge signing
Reece Hoffman - Past signing
William Kei - Madge signing
Kelma Tuilagi - Madge signing
Extended squad
Kiah Cooper - Madge signing
Junior Pauga - Madge signing


only 7 of the squad were from before Madges time... whos responsible here?

The players.

Makes you wonder why he signed them?

I think you need to understand how the process here works? If you are interested, google Adam Hartigan's story about joining the WT's, probably around the pre-season, it explains it quite well, it is also on here, but couldn't tell you where?

So he's not responsible for recruitment or the poor performances on the field. What is he responsible for?

hes not responsible for anything, he is truly untouchable and none of the clubs results from this year or the two years prior have anything to do with him, didnt you know?

The thing is, you have to have 30 players on the books. You have to make choices. Madge was set a task to rebuild after the joint was practically burnt to the ground. To get to the 30, he signed a couple of stop gaps that may or may not have worked, ie: BJ, JTJ, etc. His priority signings were AD, DL, Simpkin, Simpkins, Blore and all the other 19 and 20 year olds who will be stars ( hopefully ) in a year or two ( or three ). Look at the improvement in Seyfarth from last season. Tamou is here for two years to help those guys along. Good move. Joffa is also a great signing, experience and grit for low dollars. Madge has a modicum of patience, unlike most forumers, and confidence in his long term plan. The team he won the comp with at Souths was built around two stars in Sam Burgess and Greg Inglis, but Adam Reynolds was only a two season veteran, Dylan Walker season and a half, Johston, Gray, Koriasu rookies....he know's how to put a side together.

Your job as a coach is primarily a man manager, to get the best out of the players and ensure success on the field

You can blame the players, but the coach is responsible for their attitude, he has assembled them, he is responsible for their performance

What a load of RUBBISH!

The players are responsible for their own attitude, nobody else. If they won't buy in to what the club, coach and the team are trying to achieve, you cannot change it. You have to get rid of the ones that won't.

Eg. Latrine would not buy in to what Freddy and NSW where doing a couple of years ago - he was dropped.
Last year he did not play.
This year in his own words "I have bought into what Freddy and the NSW team are doing" ....

Attitude is all on the player.

It's not all on the player, they're responsible to some extent but need to be helped as well. Look at how many players leave struggling clubs and go on to be strong performers at the storm, like Jahrome Hughes, Reimis Smith, Brenko Lee, Nicho Hynes etc etc

Some are beyond helping sometimes but how many more times do we need to 'torch' our roster or replace coaches before we see results?

First of all the Storm system has been set up for many years with the same coach for many years...players do well because the Storm are consistent in maintaining stability and discipline..
Madge has come to a system that he is overhauling and is trying to develop and buy young talent so the future is much clearer from the clubs point of view as well as a huge cultural change that has been needed for quite some time...we will develop players in the mould of Hynes,Smith etc etc,but as most really good things it takes time to establish a winning platform for many years to come...
Madge has plenty of knockers,but you cant knock his passion for the club and to develop youth from within...

agreed

my argument, is that the responsibility lies on both player and coach

Yeah I agree,however if the players attitude stinks in relation to what the coach and club need than that is solely on them...

If I was looking at where we are at the moment i'd apportion 75% of the blame to coaching, and 25% to the players. That's just my opinion though.

And thats fair enough....I would also add that the mix of youth and experience still havent found the same page to be on yet,but it will come...

I think for the most part our young guys have been reasonably good. Laurie, AD, Stef and Seyfarth have probably been the positives of the year. It's some of the experienced players that have been the most disappointing, both in performance and attitude.

 

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Yet he doesnt hold madge accountable for any of it?

Tom Amone - Madge signing
Shawn Blore - Madge signing
Luke Brooks - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Michael Chee-Kam - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Zac Cini - Past signing
Adam Doueihi (gk) - Madge signing
Luke Garner - Past signing
Asu Kepaoa - Madge signing
Daine Laurie - Madge signing
Joseph Leilua - Madge signing
Luciano Leilua - Madge signing
Jacob Liddle - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jock Madden (gk) - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Ken Maumalo - Madge signing
Moses Mbye (gk) - Past signing
Thomas Mikaele - Past signing
Zane Musgrove - Madge signing
David Nofoaluma - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Joe Ofahengaue - Madge signing
Russell Packer - Past signing
James Roberts - Madge signing
Alex Seyfarth - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jake Simpkin - Madge signing
Tukimihia Simpkins - Madge signing
Tommy Talau - Past signing - Madge re-signing
James Tamou (c) - Madge signing
Alex Twal - Past signing
Stefano Utoikamanu - Madge signing
Billy Walters - Madge signing
Reece Hoffman - Past signing
William Kei - Madge signing
Kelma Tuilagi - Madge signing
Extended squad
Kiah Cooper - Madge signing
Junior Pauga - Madge signing


only 7 of the squad were from before Madges time... whos responsible here?

The players.

Makes you wonder why he signed them?

I think you need to understand how the process here works? If you are interested, google Adam Hartigan's story about joining the WT's, probably around the pre-season, it explains it quite well, it is also on here, but couldn't tell you where?

So he's not responsible for recruitment or the poor performances on the field. What is he responsible for?

hes not responsible for anything, he is truly untouchable and none of the clubs results from this year or the two years prior have anything to do with him, didnt you know?

The thing is, you have to have 30 players on the books. You have to make choices. Madge was set a task to rebuild after the joint was practically burnt to the ground. To get to the 30, he signed a couple of stop gaps that may or may not have worked, ie: BJ, JTJ, etc. His priority signings were AD, DL, Simpkin, Simpkins, Blore and all the other 19 and 20 year olds who will be stars ( hopefully ) in a year or two ( or three ). Look at the improvement in Seyfarth from last season. Tamou is here for two years to help those guys along. Good move. Joffa is also a great signing, experience and grit for low dollars. Madge has a modicum of patience, unlike most forumers, and confidence in his long term plan. The team he won the comp with at Souths was built around two stars in Sam Burgess and Greg Inglis, but Adam Reynolds was only a two season veteran, Dylan Walker season and a half, Johston, Gray, Koriasu rookies....he know's how to put a side together.

Your job as a coach is primarily a man manager, to get the best out of the players and ensure success on the field

You can blame the players, but the coach is responsible for their attitude, he has assembled them, he is responsible for their performance

What a load of RUBBISH!

The players are responsible for their own attitude, nobody else. If they won't buy in to what the club, coach and the team are trying to achieve, you cannot change it. You have to get rid of the ones that won't.

Eg. Latrine would not buy in to what Freddy and NSW where doing a couple of years ago - he was dropped.
Last year he did not play.
This year in his own words "I have bought into what Freddy and the NSW team are doing" ....

Attitude is all on the player.

It's not all on the player, they're responsible to some extent but need to be helped as well. Look at how many players leave struggling clubs and go on to be strong performers at the storm, like Jahrome Hughes, Reimis Smith, Brenko Lee, Nicho Hynes etc etc

Some are beyond helping sometimes but how many more times do we need to 'torch' our roster or replace coaches before we see results?

This is a good point that a lot of people overlook.

Modern NRL coaching is as much about managing personality/using psychology to get the best out of players as the technical and tactics side.

This isn't my opinion either. I've heard at least three current NRL coaches deliver seminars on it.

 

[MarySt]

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Yet he doesnt hold madge accountable for any of it?

Tom Amone - Madge signing
Shawn Blore - Madge signing
Luke Brooks - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Michael Chee-Kam - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Zac Cini - Past signing
Adam Doueihi (gk) - Madge signing
Luke Garner - Past signing
Asu Kepaoa - Madge signing
Daine Laurie - Madge signing
Joseph Leilua - Madge signing
Luciano Leilua - Madge signing
Jacob Liddle - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jock Madden (gk) - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Ken Maumalo - Madge signing
Moses Mbye (gk) - Past signing
Thomas Mikaele - Past signing
Zane Musgrove - Madge signing
David Nofoaluma - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Joe Ofahengaue - Madge signing
Russell Packer - Past signing
James Roberts - Madge signing
Alex Seyfarth - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jake Simpkin - Madge signing
Tukimihia Simpkins - Madge signing
Tommy Talau - Past signing - Madge re-signing
James Tamou (c) - Madge signing
Alex Twal - Past signing
Stefano Utoikamanu - Madge signing
Billy Walters - Madge signing
Reece Hoffman - Past signing
William Kei - Madge signing
Kelma Tuilagi - Madge signing
Extended squad
Kiah Cooper - Madge signing
Junior Pauga - Madge signing


only 7 of the squad were from before Madges time... whos responsible here?

The players.

Makes you wonder why he signed them?

I think you need to understand how the process here works? If you are interested, google Adam Hartigan's story about joining the WT's, probably around the pre-season, it explains it quite well, it is also on here, but couldn't tell you where?

So he's not responsible for recruitment or the poor performances on the field. What is he responsible for?

hes not responsible for anything, he is truly untouchable and none of the clubs results from this year or the two years prior have anything to do with him, didnt you know?

The thing is, you have to have 30 players on the books. You have to make choices. Madge was set a task to rebuild after the joint was practically burnt to the ground. To get to the 30, he signed a couple of stop gaps that may or may not have worked, ie: BJ, JTJ, etc. His priority signings were AD, DL, Simpkin, Simpkins, Blore and all the other 19 and 20 year olds who will be stars ( hopefully ) in a year or two ( or three ). Look at the improvement in Seyfarth from last season. Tamou is here for two years to help those guys along. Good move. Joffa is also a great signing, experience and grit for low dollars. Madge has a modicum of patience, unlike most forumers, and confidence in his long term plan. The team he won the comp with at Souths was built around two stars in Sam Burgess and Greg Inglis, but Adam Reynolds was only a two season veteran, Dylan Walker season and a half, Johston, Gray, Koriasu rookies....he know's how to put a side together.

Your job as a coach is primarily a man manager, to get the best out of the players and ensure success on the field

You can blame the players, but the coach is responsible for their attitude, he has assembled them, he is responsible for their performance

What a load of RUBBISH!

The players are responsible for their own attitude, nobody else. If they won't buy in to what the club, coach and the team are trying to achieve, you cannot change it. You have to get rid of the ones that won't.

Eg. Latrine would not buy in to what Freddy and NSW where doing a couple of years ago - he was dropped.
Last year he did not play.
This year in his own words "I have bought into what Freddy and the NSW team are doing" ....

Attitude is all on the player.

It's not all on the player, they're responsible to some extent but need to be helped as well. Look at how many players leave struggling clubs and go on to be strong performers at the storm, like Jahrome Hughes, Reimis Smith, Brenko Lee, Nicho Hynes etc etc

Some are beyond helping sometimes but how many more times do we need to 'torch' our roster or replace coaches before we see results?

This is a good point that a lot of people overlook.

Modern NRL coaching is as much about managing personality/using psychology to get the best out of players as the technical and tactics side.

This isn't my opinion either. I've heard at least three current NRL coaches deliver seminars on it.

Yeh i agree, biggest thing i want to know about, is what kinda of psychological training we are giving to the players, as its here that i think we are softest

 

[MarySt]

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Yet he doesnt hold madge accountable for any of it?

Tom Amone - Madge signing
Shawn Blore - Madge signing
Luke Brooks - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Michael Chee-Kam - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Zac Cini - Past signing
Adam Doueihi (gk) - Madge signing
Luke Garner - Past signing
Asu Kepaoa - Madge signing
Daine Laurie - Madge signing
Joseph Leilua - Madge signing
Luciano Leilua - Madge signing
Jacob Liddle - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jock Madden (gk) - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Ken Maumalo - Madge signing
Moses Mbye (gk) - Past signing
Thomas Mikaele - Past signing
Zane Musgrove - Madge signing
David Nofoaluma - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Joe Ofahengaue - Madge signing
Russell Packer - Past signing
James Roberts - Madge signing
Alex Seyfarth - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jake Simpkin - Madge signing
Tukimihia Simpkins - Madge signing
Tommy Talau - Past signing - Madge re-signing
James Tamou (c) - Madge signing
Alex Twal - Past signing
Stefano Utoikamanu - Madge signing
Billy Walters - Madge signing
Reece Hoffman - Past signing
William Kei - Madge signing
Kelma Tuilagi - Madge signing
Extended squad
Kiah Cooper - Madge signing
Junior Pauga - Madge signing


only 7 of the squad were from before Madges time... whos responsible here?

The players.

Makes you wonder why he signed them?

I think you need to understand how the process here works? If you are interested, google Adam Hartigan's story about joining the WT's, probably around the pre-season, it explains it quite well, it is also on here, but couldn't tell you where?

So he's not responsible for recruitment or the poor performances on the field. What is he responsible for?

hes not responsible for anything, he is truly untouchable and none of the clubs results from this year or the two years prior have anything to do with him, didnt you know?

The thing is, you have to have 30 players on the books. You have to make choices. Madge was set a task to rebuild after the joint was practically burnt to the ground. To get to the 30, he signed a couple of stop gaps that may or may not have worked, ie: BJ, JTJ, etc. His priority signings were AD, DL, Simpkin, Simpkins, Blore and all the other 19 and 20 year olds who will be stars ( hopefully ) in a year or two ( or three ). Look at the improvement in Seyfarth from last season. Tamou is here for two years to help those guys along. Good move. Joffa is also a great signing, experience and grit for low dollars. Madge has a modicum of patience, unlike most forumers, and confidence in his long term plan. The team he won the comp with at Souths was built around two stars in Sam Burgess and Greg Inglis, but Adam Reynolds was only a two season veteran, Dylan Walker season and a half, Johston, Gray, Koriasu rookies....he know's how to put a side together.

Your job as a coach is primarily a man manager, to get the best out of the players and ensure success on the field

You can blame the players, but the coach is responsible for their attitude, he has assembled them, he is responsible for their performance

What a load of RUBBISH!

The players are responsible for their own attitude, nobody else. If they won't buy in to what the club, coach and the team are trying to achieve, you cannot change it. You have to get rid of the ones that won't.

Eg. Latrine would not buy in to what Freddy and NSW where doing a couple of years ago - he was dropped.
Last year he did not play.
This year in his own words "I have bought into what Freddy and the NSW team are doing" ....

Attitude is all on the player.

It's not all on the player, they're responsible to some extent but need to be helped as well. Look at how many players leave struggling clubs and go on to be strong performers at the storm, like Jahrome Hughes, Reimis Smith, Brenko Lee, Nicho Hynes etc etc

Some are beyond helping sometimes but how many more times do we need to 'torch' our roster or replace coaches before we see results?

Just wonder what you think will happen to the Storm, when Bellamy leaves?

There is no doubt, he is a great coach, but will it last when he's gone?

For me, I seriously believe, it is all a cycle? Bronc's are a classic example.

Panthers will find it hard to retain the elite players they have, due to cap issues, I think they will struggle if they don't win it this year?
Are the Roosters on a downward slide, who knows, but they have lost a few players.

Time will tell re: bellamy. Storm also have strong admin, so im guessing they will workshop the succession plan to ensure results. Even though, as you can see with Walters, Kearney, O'Brien, Maguire, assistant coaches dont always leave that system and are able to guarantee the same results

 

[Red88_Tiger]

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Yet he doesnt hold madge accountable for any of it?

Tom Amone - Madge signing
Shawn Blore - Madge signing
Luke Brooks - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Michael Chee-Kam - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Zac Cini - Past signing
Adam Doueihi (gk) - Madge signing
Luke Garner - Past signing
Asu Kepaoa - Madge signing
Daine Laurie - Madge signing
Joseph Leilua - Madge signing
Luciano Leilua - Madge signing
Jacob Liddle - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jock Madden (gk) - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Ken Maumalo - Madge signing
Moses Mbye (gk) - Past signing
Thomas Mikaele - Past signing
Zane Musgrove - Madge signing
David Nofoaluma - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Joe Ofahengaue - Madge signing
Russell Packer - Past signing
James Roberts - Madge signing
Alex Seyfarth - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jake Simpkin - Madge signing
Tukimihia Simpkins - Madge signing
Tommy Talau - Past signing - Madge re-signing
James Tamou (c) - Madge signing
Alex Twal - Past signing
Stefano Utoikamanu - Madge signing
Billy Walters - Madge signing
Reece Hoffman - Past signing
William Kei - Madge signing
Kelma Tuilagi - Madge signing
Extended squad
Kiah Cooper - Madge signing
Junior Pauga - Madge signing


only 7 of the squad were from before Madges time... whos responsible here?

The players.

Makes you wonder why he signed them?

I think you need to understand how the process here works? If you are interested, google Adam Hartigan's story about joining the WT's, probably around the pre-season, it explains it quite well, it is also on here, but couldn't tell you where?

So he's not responsible for recruitment or the poor performances on the field. What is he responsible for?

hes not responsible for anything, he is truly untouchable and none of the clubs results from this year or the two years prior have anything to do with him, didnt you know?

The thing is, you have to have 30 players on the books. You have to make choices. Madge was set a task to rebuild after the joint was practically burnt to the ground. To get to the 30, he signed a couple of stop gaps that may or may not have worked, ie: BJ, JTJ, etc. His priority signings were AD, DL, Simpkin, Simpkins, Blore and all the other 19 and 20 year olds who will be stars ( hopefully ) in a year or two ( or three ). Look at the improvement in Seyfarth from last season. Tamou is here for two years to help those guys along. Good move. Joffa is also a great signing, experience and grit for low dollars. Madge has a modicum of patience, unlike most forumers, and confidence in his long term plan. The team he won the comp with at Souths was built around two stars in Sam Burgess and Greg Inglis, but Adam Reynolds was only a two season veteran, Dylan Walker season and a half, Johston, Gray, Koriasu rookies....he know's how to put a side together.

Your job as a coach is primarily a man manager, to get the best out of the players and ensure success on the field

You can blame the players, but the coach is responsible for their attitude, he has assembled them, he is responsible for their performance

What a load of RUBBISH!

The players are responsible for their own attitude, nobody else. If they won't buy in to what the club, coach and the team are trying to achieve, you cannot change it. You have to get rid of the ones that won't.

Eg. Latrine would not buy in to what Freddy and NSW where doing a couple of years ago - he was dropped.
Last year he did not play.
This year in his own words "I have bought into what Freddy and the NSW team are doing" ....

Attitude is all on the player.

It's not all on the player, they're responsible to some extent but need to be helped as well. Look at how many players leave struggling clubs and go on to be strong performers at the storm, like Jahrome Hughes, Reimis Smith, Brenko Lee, Nicho Hynes etc etc

Some are beyond helping sometimes but how many more times do we need to 'torch' our roster or replace coaches before we see results?

This is a good point that a lot of people overlook.

Modern NRL coaching is as much about managing personality/using psychology to get the best out of players as the technical and tactics side.

This isn't my opinion either. I've heard at least three current NRL coaches deliver seminars on it.

If you don’t mind me asking
Who were the 3 coaches. And which one did you walk away from with more respect.
How did you get to go to the seminar.

 

[fibrodreaming]

It’s some of the experienced players that have been the most disappointing, both in performance and attitude.

And therein lies the problem. The good teams have a senior group of players that drive the standards and lead from the front.

Our highly paid senior players have been unable to make the side or can't nail down a permanent position. They don't lead; they are oxygen thieves. It's clear they couldn't give a toss. No wonder our culture is so poor.

 

[happy_tiger]

The problem is we keep picking / adding blokes with fundamental flaws.

Nofa can't read D...Ferguson did the same things for Parra, got dropped and now being pushed out...whilst Nofa gets four more years and a golden pass saying automatic selection.

Big Luc can't move at speed / can't get up and down quick enough to defend on the line. He is first bloke picked and his edge first to fold...every week...automatic selection.

Just so many more also...we need actual 'complete' players without gaping flaws.

Name 2 players at the WT's who don't have at least one serious flaw .....

 

[happy_tiger]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/tigers/nrl-2021-paul-kent-nrl360-wests-tigers-michael-maguire-james-roberts-joey-leilua-roster/news-story/ae0287b54532b62eb1ae941ed9ed285f

Yet he doesnt hold madge accountable for any of it?

Tom Amone - Madge signing
Shawn Blore - Madge signing
Luke Brooks - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Michael Chee-Kam - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Zac Cini - Past signing
Adam Doueihi (gk) - Madge signing
Luke Garner - Past signing
Asu Kepaoa - Madge signing
Daine Laurie - Madge signing
Joseph Leilua - Madge signing
Luciano Leilua - Madge signing
Jacob Liddle - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jock Madden (gk) - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Ken Maumalo - Madge signing
Moses Mbye (gk) - Past signing
Thomas Mikaele - Past signing
Zane Musgrove - Madge signing
David Nofoaluma - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Joe Ofahengaue - Madge signing
Russell Packer - Past signing
James Roberts - Madge signing
Alex Seyfarth - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jake Simpkin - Madge signing
Tukimihia Simpkins - Madge signing
Tommy Talau - Past signing - Madge re-signing
James Tamou (c) - Madge signing
Alex Twal - Past signing
Stefano Utoikamanu - Madge signing
Billy Walters - Madge signing
Reece Hoffman - Past signing
William Kei - Madge signing
Kelma Tuilagi - Madge signing
Extended squad
Kiah Cooper - Madge signing
Junior Pauga - Madge signing


only 7 of the squad were from before Madges time... whos responsible here?

The players.

Makes you wonder why he signed them?

I think you need to understand how the process here works? If you are interested, google Adam Hartigan's story about joining the WT's, probably around the pre-season, it explains it quite well, it is also on here, but couldn't tell you where?

So he's not responsible for recruitment or the poor performances on the field. What is he responsible for?

hes not responsible for anything, he is truly untouchable and none of the clubs results from this year or the two years prior have anything to do with him, didnt you know?

The thing is, you have to have 30 players on the books. You have to make choices. Madge was set a task to rebuild after the joint was practically burnt to the ground. To get to the 30, he signed a couple of stop gaps that may or may not have worked, ie: BJ, JTJ, etc. His priority signings were AD, DL, Simpkin, Simpkins, Blore and all the other 19 and 20 year olds who will be stars ( hopefully ) in a year or two ( or three ). Look at the improvement in Seyfarth from last season. Tamou is here for two years to help those guys along. Good move. Joffa is also a great signing, experience and grit for low dollars. Madge has a modicum of patience, unlike most forumers, and confidence in his long term plan. The team he won the comp with at Souths was built around two stars in Sam Burgess and Greg Inglis, but Adam Reynolds was only a two season veteran, Dylan Walker season and a half, Johston, Gray, Koriasu rookies....he know's how to put a side together.

Your job as a coach is primarily a man manager, to get the best out of the players and ensure success on the field

You can blame the players, but the coach is responsible for their attitude, he has assembled them, he is responsible for their performance

What a load of RUBBISH!

The players are responsible for their own attitude, nobody else. If they won't buy in to what the club, coach and the team are trying to achieve, you cannot change it. You have to get rid of the ones that won't.

Eg. Latrine would not buy in to what Freddy and NSW where doing a couple of years ago - he was dropped.
Last year he did not play.
This year in his own words "I have bought into what Freddy and the NSW team are doing" ....

Attitude is all on the player.

It's not all on the player, they're responsible to some extent but need to be helped as well. Look at how many players leave struggling clubs and go on to be strong performers at the storm, like Jahrome Hughes, Reimis Smith, Brenko Lee, Nicho Hynes etc etc

Some are beyond helping sometimes but how many more times do we need to 'torch' our roster or replace coaches before we see results?

This is a good point that a lot of people overlook.

Modern NRL coaching is as much about managing personality/using psychology to get the best out of players as the technical and tactics side.

This isn't my opinion either. I've heard at least three current NRL coaches deliver seminars on it.

The one coach you are talking about just simplifies it to the mere basics ...and the same with his replacement ...and his replacement's replacement ...every player in the same boat ...same headspace .....and have pride ...when was the last time Melbourne had 50 put on them

 

[Russell]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/tigers/nrl-2021-paul-kent-nrl360-wests-tigers-michael-maguire-james-roberts-joey-leilua-roster/news-story/ae0287b54532b62eb1ae941ed9ed285f

Yet he doesnt hold madge accountable for any of it?

Tom Amone - Madge signing
Shawn Blore - Madge signing
Luke Brooks - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Michael Chee-Kam - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Zac Cini - Past signing
Adam Doueihi (gk) - Madge signing
Luke Garner - Past signing
Asu Kepaoa - Madge signing
Daine Laurie - Madge signing
Joseph Leilua - Madge signing
Luciano Leilua - Madge signing
Jacob Liddle - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jock Madden (gk) - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Ken Maumalo - Madge signing
Moses Mbye (gk) - Past signing
Thomas Mikaele - Past signing
Zane Musgrove - Madge signing
David Nofoaluma - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Joe Ofahengaue - Madge signing
Russell Packer - Past signing
James Roberts - Madge signing
Alex Seyfarth - Past signing - Madge re-signing
Jake Simpkin - Madge signing
Tukimihia Simpkins - Madge signing
Tommy Talau - Past signing - Madge re-signing
James Tamou (c) - Madge signing
Alex Twal - Past signing
Stefano Utoikamanu - Madge signing
Billy Walters - Madge signing
Reece Hoffman - Past signing
William Kei - Madge signing
Kelma Tuilagi - Madge signing
Extended squad
Kiah Cooper - Madge signing
Junior Pauga - Madge signing


only 7 of the squad were from before Madges time... whos responsible here?

The players.

Makes you wonder why he signed them?

I think you need to understand how the process here works? If you are interested, google Adam Hartigan's story about joining the WT's, probably around the pre-season, it explains it quite well, it is also on here, but couldn't tell you where?

So he's not responsible for recruitment or the poor performances on the field. What is he responsible for?

hes not responsible for anything, he is truly untouchable and none of the clubs results from this year or the two years prior have anything to do with him, didnt you know?

The thing is, you have to have 30 players on the books. You have to make choices. Madge was set a task to rebuild after the joint was practically burnt to the ground. To get to the 30, he signed a couple of stop gaps that may or may not have worked, ie: BJ, JTJ, etc. His priority signings were AD, DL, Simpkin, Simpkins, Blore and all the other 19 and 20 year olds who will be stars ( hopefully ) in a year or two ( or three ). Look at the improvement in Seyfarth from last season. Tamou is here for two years to help those guys along. Good move. Joffa is also a great signing, experience and grit for low dollars. Madge has a modicum of patience, unlike most forumers, and confidence in his long term plan. The team he won the comp with at Souths was built around two stars in Sam Burgess and Greg Inglis, but Adam Reynolds was only a two season veteran, Dylan Walker season and a half, Johston, Gray, Koriasu rookies....he know's how to put a side together.

Your job as a coach is primarily a man manager, to get the best out of the players and ensure success on the field

You can blame the players, but the coach is responsible for their attitude, he has assembled them, he is responsible for their performance

What a load of RUBBISH!

The players are responsible for their own attitude, nobody else. If they won't buy in to what the club, coach and the team are trying to achieve, you cannot change it. You have to get rid of the ones that won't.

Eg. Latrine would not buy in to what Freddy and NSW where doing a couple of years ago - he was dropped.
Last year he did not play.
This year in his own words "I have bought into what Freddy and the NSW team are doing" ....

Attitude is all on the player.

It's not all on the player, they're responsible to some extent but need to be helped as well. Look at how many players leave struggling clubs and go on to be strong performers at the storm, like Jahrome Hughes, Reimis Smith, Brenko Lee, Nicho Hynes etc etc

Some are beyond helping sometimes but how many more times do we need to 'torch' our roster or replace coaches before we see results?

First of all the Storm system has been set up for many years with the same coach for many years...players do well because the Storm are consistent in maintaining stability and discipline..
Madge has come to a system that he is overhauling and is trying to develop and buy young talent so the future is much clearer from the clubs point of view as well as a huge cultural change that has been needed for quite some time...we will develop players in the mould of Hynes,Smith etc etc,but as most really good things it takes time to establish a winning platform for many years to come...
Madge has plenty of knockers,but you cant knock his passion for the club and to develop youth from within...

agreed

my argument, is that the responsibility lies on both player and coach

Yeah I agree,however if the players attitude stinks in relation to what the coach and club need than that is solely on them...

If I was looking at where we are at the moment i'd apportion 75% of the blame to coaching, and 25% to the players. That's just my opinion though.

And thats fair enough....I would also add that the mix of youth and experience still havent found the same page to be on yet,but it will come...

I would think the fault is 25% Coach, and 75% players myself that will change dramatically as more dead wood is moved on - ie. Mbye, Packer etc. Just as I see it TT.