GNR4LIFE
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I wonder how much his stance on Gay Marriage had in this. He was going to swept at the next election for his stance on that alone.
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Glen_McWilliams
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@Cultured Bogan said:
It's no surprise that this is happening just weeks after he was last in the country. He gave Abbott the job and now he's taking it away.
Glen_McWilliams
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On a serious note. If anyone thinks Abbott is winning this spill contact a bookie. 4/1 across the boards.
Tiger_Watto
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Treasurer Morrison is an interesting scenario.
GNR4LIFE
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They're saying now that there'll only be 2 or 3 votes in it. If that's true, its a loss for Abbott either way. How do you govern when half your Cabinet is against you?
@GNR4LIFE said:
They're not necessarily against him, this is a damage control exercise.
@Spartan117 said:
You've got to be kidding Spartan.
Fiscally, the Rudd Government was nationally and internationally lauded for the way it handled the GFC (see excerpt from an economic research article below)
_**PolitiFact Australia | Did Labor really save us from the GFC? We ask an expert**\
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It is hard to overstate just how scary the economic environment in the US was in 2008\. I was on the faculty at the University of Chicago at the time, and I saw it first hand. The world was terrifyingly close to a repeat of the Great Depression. Goldman Sachs stock once dropped nearly 50 percent in a single morning. Goldman Sachs!
And they were on the good side of credit default swaps and subprime mortgages. Around that time I spoke with a friend who was then an economic advisor in the Obama administration, and asked for his thoughts. He said, in all seriousness, "Go get cash and bottled water. ATMs might not be working two days from now."
It was that bad.\
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So, was the Rudd Government brilliant, lucky, or reckless?
My reading is: brilliant. For sure, they had a lot of other factors supporting the economy that many other countries did not have: a central bank with the decisiveness, and room, to slash interest rates; a major trading partner (i.e. China) enacting a massive stimulus of their own; and a very flexible exchange rate. They also arguably "played it safe" by following advice from Treasury and the International Monetary Fund._
_But two things merit the term "brilliant". One: the resolve to use overwhelming fiscal force, particularly in the face of political opposition; and two: the sophistication to understand the importance of shoring-up the banking system through deposit guarantees (announced in October, 2008). Together these gave Australians confidence that we would weather the crisis. That confidence
prevented the kind of expectations death spiral from which the US is still battling to recover.\
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http://research.economics.unsw.edu.au/richardholden/assets/did-labor-really-save-us-from-the-gfc-we-ask-an-expert.pdf_
Morally, average working people were actually being looked after under the Labor administration. For example, the Gillard Govt was the first govt, since I can't remember when, that has acknowledged the efforts of people who work in the Care Services industry and actually gave them an incremental wage rise :astonished: This govt also put through the National Disability Insurance Scheme, innovative educational reforms and created a much needed royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse.
Meanwhile we now have:
Annual GDP growth – now at 2 per cent – has been trending down for the last five quarters while living standards have fallen over the last five quarters.
**Australians are suffering through the highest unemployment level in 13 years.** Growth has flat-lined since the Abbott government’s first damaging budget last year and cost of living pressures are continuing to increase.
_http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-government-rocked-as-unemployment-hits-highest-rate-since-2002-20150212-13d9lr.html_
And yet Hockey goes on TV tonight saying that the current govt has created thousands of new jobs - really? If Australians are suffering through the highest unemployment level in 13 years, how can this possibly be? Someone has to be lying here and I don't think it's the stats.
Also, at a time when domestic violence is on a rapid increase in this country, the Honourable Minister for Women (Abbott himself) decided to cut funding to the service providers for women suffering abuse, resulting in a large number or women's refuges and shelters being forced to shut down all across the country!
The gap between rich and poor is becoming wider than it's ever been under the Abbott Govt. Big business has been well looked after at the expense of the working class poor. If you believe that this Liberal Govt is fiscally and morally superior to its Labor predecessors then I think you are sadly mistaken.
Blackpearl
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@Cultured Bogan said:
interesting that abbott " consulted " with the american, murdoch, to check on his ( murdoch ) views if abbott were to call an early election. who voted for that bastard !
Tiger_Watto
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Pyne, Brough & Bishop is enough for me… Turnbull will be PM
Tim Sheens
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@Flippedy said:
Bloody good post Flip.
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Tim Sheens
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Better than Abbott, but that does not mean much.
Time for Labor to do likewise and reverse their error as well.
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Time for Labor to do likewise and reverse their error as well.
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GNR4LIFE
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Ding dong the witch is dead
And take your fat mate with you
And take your fat mate with you
Tiger_Watto
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We now have new PM…
At least this means the end of Shorten?!
At least this means the end of Shorten?!
GNR4LIFE
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Losing a leadership is obviously more humiliating than losing an election isn't it?
A win for everyone.
The LNP may have become re-electable which means the ALP will have to pull their finger out and not expect a federal win by default. Shorten will be next. Australian politics in general will benefit from this.
In fairness, Turnbull should never have been shafted in the first place. The ALP were never going to be re-elected in '13 and the Libs have cost themselves, and Australia, two years to actually have a helmsman with some semblance of ability to run a country.
The LNP may have become re-electable which means the ALP will have to pull their finger out and not expect a federal win by default. Shorten will be next. Australian politics in general will benefit from this.
In fairness, Turnbull should never have been shafted in the first place. The ALP were never going to be re-elected in '13 and the Libs have cost themselves, and Australia, two years to actually have a helmsman with some semblance of ability to run a country.
Tiger_Watto
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@GNR4LIFE said:
Undoubtedly… The majority of Australians are only interested in a free ride and will vote for the best looking bus.
Losing to your close peers who you have worked side by side for many years would be gut wrenching.
happy_tiger
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@happy tiger said:
Sorry Watto
It had to happen and I think it could be one of the greatest things that could happen to this country
I and every other Australian will and should sleep far better this evening
Tim Sheens
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Abbott dug his own grave by taking our federal political landscape to new terrible low points when in opposition and was swallowed up by those same actions and words when in power.
Good riddance, first term assassination, just about rofl.
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