Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Tiger5150]

The current PM has seemingly done very little when it comes to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people.

There's a whopping one media release in 2021 on the Prime Minister and Cabinet Indigenous Affairs page.

Nothing on his Instagram for Naidoc Week. In fact, nothing relating to first nations people, ever?

The only thing I can recall is that he got his knickers in a knot when someone even dared question moving Australia Day.

I never thought I'd stick up for Tony Abbott, but at least he seemed to have a crack, albeit sometimes with his foot in his mouth (i.e lifestyle choices).


Unbelievable regarding inaction on NAIDOC week. Even on a cynical token basis yo uwould think they would have a generic process in place to "tick the box".

Tony Abbott was a poor PM but would be the most honest PM with the most integrity we have had since probably Howard and has the most integrity. Obviously many disagree with his POV but at lesat we all knew the truth about him and he doesnt pretend.

Can't agree on the Howard bit, with the lies to take us into the horrors of Iraq and the children overboard stunt for starters, but just another example of why I hate Morrison.

Well I did say since Howard, maybe its before, maybe its since Whitlam.

To make my point clearer, if we go back before Howard, I consider Hawke probably the greatest PM we have had in my lifetime but I wouldn't say that he was necessarily honest or had integrity in the sense that what he said or his actions were expressions of his internal principles. On the contrary he was a pragmatist which was one of his strengths.

So we go further back, Fraser was a poor PM and I think was dishonest and did not have integrity in this same sense because his policies were contrary to his internal principles.

I put Whitlam in the same bracket as Abbott in this incredibly narrow sense that I am talking about. I think Whitlam was a poor PM however he, like Abbott walked his talk and what he said and his actions were in step with his principles.

Keating, Rudd, Gillard, Morrison, I wouldnt believe that *they* believe anything they say.

 

[Tim Sheens]

The current PM has seemingly done very little when it comes to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people.

There's a whopping one media release in 2021 on the Prime Minister and Cabinet Indigenous Affairs page.

Nothing on his Instagram for Naidoc Week. In fact, nothing relating to first nations people, ever?

The only thing I can recall is that he got his knickers in a knot when someone even dared question moving Australia Day.

I never thought I'd stick up for Tony Abbott, but at least he seemed to have a crack, albeit sometimes with his foot in his mouth (i.e lifestyle choices).


Unbelievable regarding inaction on NAIDOC week. Even on a cynical token basis yo uwould think they would have a generic process in place to "tick the box".

Tony Abbott was a poor PM but would be the most honest PM with the most integrity we have had since probably Howard and has the most integrity. Obviously many disagree with his POV but at lesat we all knew the truth about him and he doesnt pretend.

Can't agree on the Howard bit, with the lies to take us into the horrors of Iraq and the children overboard stunt for starters, but just another example of why I hate Morrison.

Well I did say since Howard, maybe its before, maybe its since Whitlam.

To make my point clearer, if we go back before Howard, I consider Hawke probably the greatest PM we have had in my lifetime but I wouldn't say that he was necessarily honest or had integrity in the sense that what he said or his actions were expressions of his internal principles. On the contrary he was a pragmatist which was one of his strengths.

So we go further back, Fraser was a poor PM and I think was dishonest and did not have integrity in this same sense because his policies were contrary to his internal principles.

I put Whitlam in the same bracket as Abbott in this incredibly narrow sense that I am talking about. I think Whitlam was a poor PM however he, like Abbott walked his talk and what he said and his actions were in step with his principles.

Keating, Rudd, Gillard, Morrison, I wouldnt believe that *they* believe anything they say.

I must though say that at least Howard is voicing his support for much more to be done for our Afghan aides that have not already been killed as the Taliban wreak havoc upon the people as the alliance withdrawal continues.

Gillard achievements in minority government for mine should not be dismissed lightly.

Morrison is once again lying in the background as I type.

 

[Tiger5150]

The current PM has seemingly done very little when it comes to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people.

There's a whopping one media release in 2021 on the Prime Minister and Cabinet Indigenous Affairs page.

Nothing on his Instagram for Naidoc Week. In fact, nothing relating to first nations people, ever?

The only thing I can recall is that he got his knickers in a knot when someone even dared question moving Australia Day.

I never thought I'd stick up for Tony Abbott, but at least he seemed to have a crack, albeit sometimes with his foot in his mouth (i.e lifestyle choices).


Unbelievable regarding inaction on NAIDOC week. Even on a cynical token basis yo uwould think they would have a generic process in place to "tick the box".

Tony Abbott was a poor PM but would be the most honest PM with the most integrity we have had since probably Howard and has the most integrity. Obviously many disagree with his POV but at lesat we all knew the truth about him and he doesnt pretend.

Can't agree on the Howard bit, with the lies to take us into the horrors of Iraq and the children overboard stunt for starters, but just another example of why I hate Morrison.

Well I did say since Howard, maybe its before, maybe its since Whitlam.

To make my point clearer, if we go back before Howard, I consider Hawke probably the greatest PM we have had in my lifetime but I wouldn't say that he was necessarily honest or had integrity in the sense that what he said or his actions were expressions of his internal principles. On the contrary he was a pragmatist which was one of his strengths.

So we go further back, Fraser was a poor PM and I think was dishonest and did not have integrity in this same sense because his policies were contrary to his internal principles.

I put Whitlam in the same bracket as Abbott in this incredibly narrow sense that I am talking about. I think Whitlam was a poor PM however he, like Abbott walked his talk and what he said and his actions were in step with his principles.

Keating, Rudd, Gillard, Morrison, I wouldnt believe that *they* believe anything they say.

I must though say that at least Howard is voicing his support for much more to be done for our Afghan aides that have not already been killed as the Taliban wreak havoc upon the people as the alliance withdrawal continues.

Gillard achievements in minority government for mine should not be dismissed lightly.

Morrison is once again lying in the background as I type.

On this same note (integrity of politicians), IMO that is what killed Bill Shorten, he is so transparently fake. I have never been a fan of Albo previously (he is from the Left) however I have been impressed with this aspect of him during his time as opp leader. IMO he does seem to have integrity and his efforts to date to eschew identity politics when it would be a convenient club for his party has been encouraging. I hope he is able to keep it up, it will be important to Australia.

 

[mike]

This made me laugh…

 

[happy_tiger]

This made me laugh…

Sir Donald is suing all the social media sites now .....they are running for the hills ...and is considering running again .....

Hey Don ...you needed to leave it another 5 years so everyone forgot all your other fake threats .....

I feel so left out ...he didn't sue me ....

 

[jadtiger]

This made me laugh…

Sir Donald is suing all the social media sites now .....they are running for the hills ...and is considering running again .....

Hey Don ...you needed to leave it another 5 years so everyone forgot all your other fake threats .....

I feel so left out ...he didn't sue me ....

I know a woman who is completely fooled by all Trumps nonsense,her husband who is also very right wing always warns people not to talk about USA politics to her.He is hoping somebody in the Republican party will remove Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon before he does even more damage by standing again.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I know some don't like Jordan Shanks but he's just released an hour long video about water theft and trading. About 20m in and it's quite good thus far.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

from twitter!
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[InBenjiWeTrust]

How can all those people be so unhappy in the "worker's paradise"? In the USA, they will get exploited by "evil capitalists"? :thinking_face:
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[tigger]

I really liked the idea (I think from the Uluru Statement from the heart?) of forming an indigenous council within parliament with members somehow voted in by the indigenous people. This Council does not have a say on general law in parliament but can advise parliament and has a vote on aspects directly involving indigenous matters. Playing devils advocate, the risk with this would be that anything could be argued to impact indigenous people and that the council would get a vote which would mean that one section of Australian citizens would get disproportional voice which would be dangerous IMO.

Good post (only partially quoted here).

The proposal from the statement was that the "Council" would be recognised in the constitution. The reason for this is that previous advisory groups have been dismissed or defunded by incoming governments. A constitutionally created council would not be at the whim of the government-of the-day for its existence.

The proposal was only ever in respect of an advisory council, but it was, at the time, misrepresented by some elements of the political landscape as a separate parliamentary chamber for aboriginals, with the ability to create law. Those types of statements were simply bald-faced lies.

From memory, Morrison rejected the proposal on the grounds that he didn't think it could successfully get through a referendum and that its rejection would do more harm than good. Which is at least partially honest because no referendum seems to be able to get through unless it has bi-partisan support. Morrison knew that his own party wouldn't support it.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

How can all those people be so unhappy in the "worker's paradise"? In the USA, they will get exploited by "evil capitalists"? :thinking_face:
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I don't think anyone here is advocating that communism is a good thing. It's been thoroughly implemented in various parts of the world and success has not been achieved in these systems without a large human cost. Russia is an outlier as well in that it is resource rich and basically used the annexed central Asian republics as their petrol station.

Full blown capitalism is not the right way to go either otherwise you end up like Pakistan. Japan and South Korea are the only two nations that I would exclude from that as they have a weird dynamic where their brand of capitalism is nationalistic and due to their culture corporate responsibility features heavily (this is largely not the case in the West.)

There's a happy medium where people can be reward for their efforts in labour and name a price based on their specialty but it also should be that people working full time should not be choosing between food and rent/mortgage. The cost of living and property has outstripped wage growth.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Meanwhile as we are in lockdown, Morrison at a press conference he called to discuss what happened at national cabinet when asked his opinion on a matter answers with "I don't discuss what happens at national cabinet”.

And our deputy state leader that basically said publicly that corruption with pork barreling is okay, with his barrister comparing his lying in parliament to that of a parent in regard to a child's dead goldfish.

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[Tim Sheens]

Geez I like to see a strong woman stand up to our disgusting PM and highlight his many inadequacies as both a human and a leader. Just another example here:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1418361520522551297

 

[Tim Sheens]

Finding it hard to believe that Porter has been made leader of the house and with plenty of woman representatives talking later today, as it will be a terrible look if/when the common go to of this government in avoiding debate arises.

To see an alleged rapist in a government accused of covering up a rape of one of their own move that a woman no longer be heard will not endear him to many of them.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Good to see Grace Tame addressing the issue and calling out Morrison in the SMH.

https://t.co/NEOHkTCTlC?amp=1


 

[Tim Sheens]

After Peter Costello removed him, assuming because he didn’t like the honesty of his column, it was good to see The Saturday Paper give the former Liberal party leader John Hewson some space and he echoed my feelings on Morrison, with part of it below.

“Morrison simply doesn't understand leadership,” Hewson wrote. “It involves strategic thinking, being proactive, and acceptance of responsibility with integrity and accountability. It is finely balanced on trust and confidence. It certainly can't be brushed aside with a rush of three-word slogans.”

Trouble is those three word slogans, even if almost always untrue, cut through to the easily led, as does his Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon like approach to the truth.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Henson can talk about leadership lol

 

[jadtiger]

And, as if we don't have enough issues of life threatening importance, social media is rife with footage, and comments, of a clearly tired-and-emotional, Deputy PM telling us ....well.....no one knows. How low have we stooped in this country????? Never fear my fellow patriots, we are in the capable hands of Scott Morrison, Barnaby Loyce and Christian Porter at this very moment in our National Parliament. How are you feeling, Australia??

Nervous and disgusted in equal measure