Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Tiger5150]

The past was erased. The erasure was forgotten, the lie became the truth.

Orwell foretold present day Aust politics in *Nineteen Eighty Four.*

I genuinely think that US politics (beside the obvious Soviet comparisons) more closely resembles Orwells 1984. I think it is giving Auspol too much credit to think they are capable of developing an authoritarian system that complex.

 

[TillLindemann]

A few years ago France suddenly pulled out of a major naval deal with Russia for political reasons, which infuriated the Ruskies. There's nothing new under the sun.
But I do think we should have let France at least bid to to offer nuclear subs as well.

 

[mike]

Morrison wants everyone to “move on” from his untruths and dishonesty. Fat chance.

 

[jadtiger]

Morrison wants everyone to “move on” from his untruths and dishonesty. Fat chance.

His supporters will ignore his dishonesty as they always do.Hopefully the swinging voters will not and give him the same treatment that Abbott got except nationwide.

 

[happy_tiger]

And the French need to remember one very big fact ...those pussies would be Germans if it wasn't for us

I can't stand Americans ....I despise the French .....and learnt the language for 2 years .....

Pourquoi la haine? La France t’aime Heureux!!

Je ne sais pas ....Heureux hait la Francais .....Viva la Heureux

 

[tigger]

A massive political shift in US politics.

Republican Glenn Youngkin's win in the Virginia Gubernatorial Election, in a state that elected Joe Biden by 10points is a massive message to the Democrats. The election was based on a lot of new "woke" policies, centering on public schools and IMO signals a desire by the US populace to get away from woke policies.

With Congressional elections less than a year away, it will be interesting how the Dems react and if they are able to overcome the interfactional friction to provide a united and cohesive policy front that gels with the electorate. **IMO if the Republicans can distance themselves from Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and concentrate on common sense** "centrist", anti woke policies they will go very close to winning back the Congress which would make life very interesting for the Biden administration as they have been trying to push through a very progressive and aggresive agenda through Congress.

Yep. I think that the turn around in the vote, from Democrat to Republican, is actually an indication of the extent to which Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon was on the nose with the US electorate. It should give the Republicans something to consider prior to selecting a candidate for 2024, but it probably won't.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

You going gets up in Virginia Biden and the Dems will be on the ropes in midterms
Let's Go Brandon" the catch cry

 

[FinestTigers]

Just as when the pandemic (aka, China virus) seemed to be now getting under control, China wants to now start something thats even bigger, this is very concerning, and i think it just shows China’s real intentions about their big suspicious future plans.

@SamClench
News.com.au
November 14, 2021 - 6:35AM
"**Be prepared to sacrifice**" Chinese state media threatens Australia as Taiwan tensions continue
Australia has been warned it could suffer a “heavy attack” and had better “be prepared to sacrifice” in the latest blow-up over China’s aggression,
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news.com.au/world/asia/be-prepared-to-sacrifice-chinese-state-media-threatens-australia-as-taiwan-tensions-continue/news-story/b47bcf70791f7c5676b5c066bec693d8%3Famp
.

 

[Tim Sheens]

So glad that we have a federation of states and governments. Ones that generally take responsibility, even if belatedly in the case of NSW in returning to reasonable health measures after ridiculously removing them last week.

The "personal responsibility" crap lead by Morrison in trying to keep or gain the votes of the extremes of society at the expense of the majority to retain power, was downright dangerous to society as a whole.

 

[Swordy]

Morrison wants everyone to “move on” from his untruths and dishonesty. Fat chance.


His supporters will ignore his dishonesty as they always do.Hopefully the swinging voters will not and give him the same treatment that Abbott got except nationwide.

I'm generally a swinging voter, but what do I swing to? Albanese is hell bent on just going on about why you shouldn't vote for Morrison's government. Nothing about why we should vote for his. If Morrison says black, Albanese says white. Has he learned nothing from the last election?

I don't need Morrison, Albanese or anyone else telling me why I shouldn't vote for the other team. I WILL MAKE THAT DECISION THANK YOU!!!

Jut tell me what you and your team offer and I will decide. At the moment, I know nothing and they both offer lip service and dribble. If Labor's offer is similar to Palazcuk, Andrews and McGowan, I'll be giving them a miss too!

 

[Swordy]

Or, @Swordy, let's make it easier for you to make clear where your thoughts lie (no pun intended).

Given that we work under a preferential voting system, and depending on which seat you reside in, it is unlikely that your vote for an Independent or Greens or PHON or UAP candidate will make it to Canberra.

So, your votes exhausts when they are eliminated if you just vote 1 for them. Or will you bother to number your preferences beyond your first choice? And, if so, will you put the LNP candidate above Labor, or the Labor candidate above LNP? It really is that simple. Care to enlighten us?

I will enlighten you @Tiger-Tragic . I don't hold my vote secret like some.

The last federal election, I voted for the local Liberal candidate. The two before that, I voted for the local Labor candidate, including when a by-election was held because it was determined that the candidate was not a proper Australian citizen because of her mothers brothers uncle etc etc. (You will remember that period of our politics which was pathetic in my opinion.)

So despite your attempt at labelling me a Scomo apologist, you are wrong. More fool you.

As I have before, I will attend the booth, have my name marked off and leave. I understand I am required under the Act to cast a legitimate vote on the ballot paper, but if I choose to make no mark and put it in the box because NO ONE deserves my vote, I will do it. And no amount of carrying on about donkey votes or otherwise will change that.

FYI - I've never seen my current Liberal sitting member. I find that objectionable. I also noted the local Labor candidate waving at cars the other day and when I briefly spoke to her (1-2 minutes as I walked past with my coffee), I was left even more uncertain about her party and her platform, and I'm certain she has little idea too.

EDIT - So to make it clear - I am undecided at this time, but no vote is in the lead!
2ND EDIT - (Sorry mate, missed the last comment). I have NEVER, and will likely never put a '1' in the box and move on. I have ALWAYS numbered in my preferences, not any particular parties preference. It is my vote, not theirs. 🙂

 

[hank37w]

I can see this going the way of the Corona Virus thread.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Morrison wants everyone to “move on” from his untruths and dishonesty. Fat chance.


His supporters will ignore his dishonesty as they always do.Hopefully the swinging voters will not and give him the same treatment that Abbott got except nationwide.

I'm generally a swinging voter, but what do I swing to? Albanese is hell bent on just going on about why you shouldn't vote for Morrison's government. Nothing about why we should vote for his. If Morrison says black, Albanese says white. Has he learned nothing from the last election?

I don't need Morrison, Albanese or anyone else telling me why I shouldn't vote for the other team. I WILL MAKE THAT DECISION THANK YOU!!!

Jut tell me what you and your team offer and I will decide. At the moment, I know nothing and they both offer lip service and dribble. If Labor's offer is similar to Palazcuk, Andrews and McGowan, I'll be giving them a miss too!

I have come back and read replies since I reinvigorated this thread as the covid one has disappeared and whilst I have also seen your further post, I can also understand why you got such a reaction from TT. Namely that you mentioned the three Labor Premiers as reason for giving the party a miss.

To me such a response exemplified the false narrative that both the federal government and partner Murdoch media has amplified around the nation, with almost all other major outlets reporting echoing the same crap.

My remarks on the states acting with responsibility includes the work of Liberal Premiers Gutwein in Tasmania and Marshall in SA, along with leaders of the territories that have acted similarly to those you named in protecting their constituencies as their federal counterparts abrogated theirs.

We have the almost laughable situation of the opposition guiding the country in the right direction over that of an incompetent health minister and PM who's "personal responsibility" seems to be lies and absence when a nation burns, both literally and throughout this ongoing pandemic.

 

[BZN]

The past was erased. The erasure was forgotten, the lie became the truth.

Orwell foretold present day Aust politics in *Nineteen Eighty Four.*

I genuinely think that US politics (beside the obvious Soviet comparisons) more closely resembles Orwells 1984. I think it is giving Auspol too much credit to think they are capable of developing an authoritarian system that complex.

@Tiger5150 WHERE ARE YOU?
I reckon WTF needs you back.
I miss your hard hitting and sometimes controversial but very well written posts.
Merry Christmas :christmas_tree: :christmas_tree: :christmas_tree: 5150 and please stay Covid safe.

 

[Merlot]

place your bets Ladies n Gents,lockdowns start mid Jan or Feb,.....,KABOOM

 

[Merlot]

place your bets Ladies n Gents,lockdowns start mid Jan or Feb,.....,KABOOM