Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Jedi_Tiger]

Wow, I read that as you proposing that a right wing candidate beating an inner suburban independent is more likely than a moderate, is that correct?

In Sharma's case I think he loses to an independent yes, last election he took on Phelps and she had nfi so was not that hard to beat. This time Sharma will be lucky to hang on to his seat

 

[jadtiger]

yes do think a Dutton type is what the conservatives should be looking at to bring back the hard right. Not necessarily a Dutton fan but if they go to Dutton then they stand for something like that did when Abbott was leader
Some of the moderates are not what the Libs necessarily need if they want to attract that conservative voters from one nation and liberal democratic party and UAP etc they are voters the coalition have lost and not likely to vote Labor or green.
Look at Matt Keann in nsw as a moderate he is treasurer but geez not the best for the party really

If the LNP are stupid enough to embrace going hard right they can forget about ever ruling in this country.Most voters of either the moderate right or moderate left of politics loathe extremitism and will not accept hardline governments,this is the vast majority of voters.Very very few will embrace an extreme government of either side which is what you want the LNP to do.You want extreme right go and live under a despot.

 

[Tim Sheens]

In Sharma's case I think he loses to an independent yes, last election he took on Phelps and she had nfi so was not that hard to beat. This time Sharma will be lucky to hang on to his seat

Okay, I would expect to see a right wing candidate struggle to get even 20% of first preference votes in any of such seats. So basically saying goodbye forever to half a dozen seats or more if the went that path in my view.

 

[FinestTigers]

the coalition needs to get back to hard right and they will regain the one nation and UAP voters, the bulk of people voting for one nation and UAP are not Labor or Green voters anyway the Libs lost the way when turnbull tried to stuff the party from within. He almost lost the un losable election
The Libs have let in many moderates and they need to sort that out as it is the Sharma type of liberal who will lose to an independent at the election.
Libs if they lose will fix up the moderates in the party and bring the one nation and UAP vote back to the coalition next time
It should clear the deck for a Dutton to take over if frydenberg loses his seat at election

God forbid,
This is one thing we do not want to happen,
If you thought things are bad now then that would be disastrous for the Libs. and Aust. If it were to happen.
He is a complete donk and knucklehead.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

If the LNP are stupid enough to embrace going hard right they can forget about ever ruling in this country.Most voters of either the moderate right or moderate left of politics loathe extremitism and will not accept hardline governments,this is the vast majority of voters.Very very few will embrace an extreme government of either side which is what you want the LNP to do.You want extreme right go and live under a despot.

just think the Liberals need that Abbott and Dutton type, Morrison is not that type of hard right hence plenty of disenchanted coalition voters have gone to UAP and One Nation and liberal Democrats. Remember by doing that they are not wanting to appeal to the left or hard left faction if you are a Labor or a green extreme left well you are never voting for coalition anyway so that should not matter much likewise greens know they dont appeal to a conservative voter. They do need to be careful agree that they do not scare of the Labor swing voter
With Turnbull in power the coalition tried to have a bet each way and what resulted was right voters walking away from the party, even with Morrison they have not got them all back

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Okay, I would expect to see a right wing candidate struggle to get even 20% of first preference votes in any of such seats. So basically saying goodbye forever to half a dozen seats or more if the went that path in my view.

agree they might struggle with inner city seats moving forward but teal independents might be a headache foe them anyway

 

[pawsandclaws1]

just think the Liberals need that Abbott and Dutton type, Morrison is not that type of hard right hence plenty of disenchanted coalition voters have gone to UAP and One Nation and liberal Democrats. Remember by doing that they are not wanting to appeal to the left or hard left faction if you are a Labor or a green extreme left well you are never voting for coalition anyway so that should not matter much likewise greens know they dont appeal to a conservative voter. They do need to be careful agree that they do not scare of the Labor swing voter
With Turnbull in power the coalition tried to have a bet each way and what resulted was right voters walking away from the party, even with Morrison they have not got them all back

The thing is Jedi, it looks to be far left when you are viewing it from the far right. In reality, the far left is the centre, the true Liberals or the right wing of Labor.

 

[jadtiger]

just think the Liberals need that Abbott and Dutton type, Morrison is not that type of hard right hence plenty of disenchanted coalition voters have gone to UAP and One Nation and liberal Democrats. Remember by doing that they are not wanting to appeal to the left or hard left faction if you are a Labor or a green extreme left well you are never voting for coalition anyway so that should not matter much likewise greens know they dont appeal to a conservative voter. They do need to be careful agree that they do not scare of the Labor swing voter
With Turnbull in power the coalition tried to have a bet each way and what resulted was right voters walking away from the party, even with Morrison they have not got them all back

Most people i know are Liberal voters about 65%/35% (i live in a retirement village in a safe liberal seat) however most of those people would not accept a hard right government and would vote independent. I do expect my local member Falinski to be returned even though i will not be voting for him.You obviously are an extreme right wing voter which you are entitled to be if that is what you want but you are deluding yourself if you believe the majority of liberal voters feel the same way.
Extremetism of any kind is not what the majority of Australian voters want

 

[Don Kershane]

Bennelong looking a bit shaky the Libs . John Alexander had some good ideas but was always side lined by the troglodytes. His replacement not making much headway.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Most people i know are Liberal voters about 65%/35% (i live in a retirement village in a safe liberal seat) however most of those people would not accept a hard right government and would vote independent. I do expect my local member Falinski to be returned even though i will not be voting for him.You obviously are an extreme right wing voter which you are entitled to be if that is what you want but you are deluding yourself if you believe the majority of liberal voters feel the same way.
Extremetism of any kind is not what the majority of Australian voters want

no I'm not extreme right I preferred Morrison over Dutton but think Dutton has more appeal now than he did when Morrison contested just commenting that the leakage for the coalition are liberals moving to one nation and UAP they are not generally Labor voters moving to One nation and ALP
I myself am in a liberal safe liberal seat but seats like Parramatta might be interesting with Julie Owen's retiring is generally a marginal seat in which ALP usually always wins.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

The thing is Jedi, it looks to be far left when you are viewing it from the far right. In reality, the far left is the centre, the true Liberals or the right wing of Labor.

that is a fair point it does look far left when you are view it far right

 

[Mac]

In Sharma's case I think he loses to an independent yes, last election he took on Phelps and she had nfi so was not that hard to beat. This time Sharma will be lucky to hang on to his seat

OK Jedi I'm back lol.

Kerryn Phelps had/has more reason to be proud of her career in politics than many. After Turnbull resigned she won (Wentworth?) and was as good a local member as you good get.

My opinion obviously lol

 

[tigerballs]

A Government can increase the productivity of its citizens by improving the quality of its labour force, by increasing the quantity of its capital (investing in new private equipment and structures and public infrastructure) and by improving the efficiency with which these factors are used. Expenditure to improve the productive capacity of the nation to increase GDP is an accepted economic tool of Govt. Often expenditure is funded by a deficit. Not all debt is bad.

Note yesterday Jason Clare's comments that wage increases can occur as long as they are accompanied by productivity increases. Clare cited the reforms to the Aust economy achieved by Hawke and Keating which Howard lived off for years.

A wonderful theory. Which party has any plans or stated policy to improve the quality or efficiency of our labour force? Jason Clare's comment is no great insight, it's simply common sense. How do you propose those productivity increases will be achieved?

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

OK Jedi I'm back lol.

Kerryn Phelps had/has more reason to be proud of her career in politics than many. After Turnbull resigned she won (Wentworth?) and was as good a local member as you good get.

My opinion obviously lol

we differ there Mac, not my cup of tea was happy to see Sharma get in last time

 

[Mac]

no I'm not extreme right I preferred Morrison over Dutton but think Dutton has more appeal now than he did when Morrison contested just commenting that the leakage for the coalition are liberals moving to one nation and UAP they are not generally Labor voters moving to One nation and ALP
I myself am in a liberal safe liberal seat but seats like Parramatta might be interesting with Julie Owen's retiring is generally a marginal seat in which ALP usually always wins.

Jedi? It's like trying to choose between the devil and satan lol. Morrisson or Dutton?

Morrisson can't win from here. That means he will have been sacked from his last (insert no ) jobs in a row.

If Dutton then takes the mantle as leader of the coalition? God help them. They will be in opposition until some "moderate" gets the gig and Dutton gets the arse. The Liberal party is so far from where Menzies left them it's not even funny any more.

And if you want to point the finger at who caused the chaos for the coalition? Hard to go past good old Barnaby lol.

 

[tigerballs]

You are the only one carrying on in here. You also slightly change your narrative with every post, obviously taken aback by the opposition you have encountered to your YouTube inspired opinions.
What you are suggesting is lunacy and thank god those in charge have more sense as your fundamental lack of knowledge on this topic is colouring your opinion to the level of tin foil status.

See, this is why nothing ever improves. You're belittling the blokes argument because he has a different opinion but not presenting any convincing counter yourself. Use a few terms like lunacy and tin foil, that'll prove you right...

 

[Mac]

See, this is why nothing ever improves. You're belittling the blokes argument because he has a different opinion but not presenting any convincing counter yourself. Use a few terms like lunacy and tin foil, that'll prove you right...

I must be pissed. Agree with both of these statements lol

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

they as you put it havent lost anything yet

 

[Mac]

Yep lol. Abbott was only about him despite his Jesuit upbringing lol.

My best mate went to Iggies with him and was invited to the "last bash" at Kirribillil when he got the arse. All Abbott wanted to do was drink the PM's cellar dry of Penfolds 389? Wish I was there.

A couple of other stories about Abbott but can't be related till he dies lol