Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Citizen_Tiger]

What about discussing a real issue ? Like
The recommendations of the Gonski report . This initiative ( getting the report) by the Gillard govt is a massive step in the right direction for social justice and fair education in Australia .

ATM a child who attends a private school receives more education $$/student then a child who attends a public school ( its aproxx double ! ) . This regressive system of
Providing more funding to children who ( generally but not exclusively ) come from already privileged backgrounds needs to change , and congratulations to this Labor govt for addressing the issue .
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If you assume that the majority of kids that go to private schools are from priveliged
backgrounds, you're simply unaware. Private schools these days have a majority of parents with second mortgages, generous grandparents or children with bursaries or scolarships.

Which is fine but why should their choice be heavily subsidised by the government? If you want to put yourself in a bind to send your kids to Kings or Barker, that's your choice but don't expect my taxes to help you out. And in any case I think it is crazy to suggest the majority of students at these schools aren't from well-off families but if you've got some stats that say otherwise I'm happy to look at them.

You're arguing with yourself, I didn't mention the morality or economics of private school funding. I don't need to produce any stats, being the parent of two boys who have attended a private institution over the last seven years, I'm in a significantly better position than either you or the previous poster to have a lucid understanding of parent's aspirations for their children and how they sacrifice some basics to fulfil them. Perhaps you thought I toted their statement
of financial position around in my briefcase?

On the contrary, it's up to you blokes that rely on nothing more than anecdotal evidence and your comfortable stereotypes, to either put up or shut up?

By the by Yoss, I assume the level of your rage must have been catatonic with the introduction and management of the BER scheme? $16.2bill on fences, canteens and second libraries? Would have covered a lot of teacher salaries, training and development, laptops, airconditioning etc?

 

[Yossarian]

To quote you "Private schools these days have a majority of parents with second mortgages, generous grandparents or children with bursaries or scolarships." That's a claim of fact.

I said " I think it is crazy to suggest the majority of students at these schools aren't from well-off families." - that's an opinion.

There are a lot of private schools out there but I assume you're only linked to one of them right? In any event I think anyone has the right to pass a comment on the matter despite your "expertise" on the matter.

 

[Yossarian]

By the by Yoss, I assume the level of your rage must have been catatonic with the introduction and management of the BER scheme? $16.2bill on fences, canteens and second libraries? Would have covered a lot of teacher salaries, training and development, laptops, airconditioning etc?

Pretty lousy argument. We're talking about an ongoing funding model, you're trying to draw in a one-off project.

You can downplay it all you like - you've already said you send your kids to a private school - but a lot of schools not so well off are extremely thankful for the buildings made possible by BER.

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

To quote you "Private schools these days have a majority of parents with second mortgages, generous grandparents or children with bursaries or scolarships." That's a claim of fact.

I said " I think it is crazy to suggest the majority of students at these schools aren't from well-off families." - that's an opinion.

There are a lot of private schools out there but I assume you're only linked to one of them right? In any event I think anyone has the right to pass a comment on the matter despite your "expertise" on the matter.

Appreciate your prompt response in the middle of what must be a turbulent period comrade :wink:

I was responding to a loose, uninformed view. Because it's an opinion doesn't preclude me from commenting re it's accuracy. I don't have 'expertise', but I do have the benefit of many hours of inetraction with parents, particularly on Saturdays at school sport. Over the years you come to know these people quite well, as you do parents from other schools.

If you're looking for real wealth you might just visit the playing grounds at Bellevue Hill on Saturdays. Struggle St it's not

 

[Yossarian]

To quote you "Private schools these days have a majority of parents with second mortgages, generous grandparents or children with bursaries or scolarships." That's a claim of fact.

I said " I think it is crazy to suggest the majority of students at these schools aren't from well-off families." - that's an opinion.

There are a lot of private schools out there but I assume you're only linked to one of them right? In any event I think anyone has the right to pass a comment on the matter despite your "expertise" on the matter.

Appreciate your prompt response in the middle of what must be a turbulent period comrade :wink:

I was responding to a loose, uninformed view. Because it's an opinion doesn't preclude me from commenting re it's accuracy. I don't have 'expertise', but I do have the benefit of many hours of inetraction with parents, particularly on Saturdays at school sport. Over the years you come to know these people quite well, as you do parents from other schools.

If you're looking for real wealth you might just visit the playing grounds at Bellevue Hill on Saturdays. Struggle St it's not

Fair enough. We all have different life experiences I guess and there is a world of difference between some private schools.

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

By the by Yoss, I assume the level of your rage must have been catatonic with the introduction and management of the BER scheme? $16.2bill on fences, canteens and second libraries? Would have covered a lot of teacher salaries, training and development, laptops, airconditioning etc?

Pretty lousy argument. We're talking about an ongoing funding model, you're trying to draw in a one-off project.

You can downplay it all you like - you've already said you send your kids to a private school - but a lot of schools not so well off are extremely thankful for the buildings made possible by BER.

My kids spent their first seven years of school at a public institution. I know only too well how difficult it is to get the appropriate resources. The school my boys went to are thankfully awesome fund raisers, so they didn't need to rely on bureaucrats. You should speak to them about the grand folly known as the BER and it's capacity to provide things that they don't need

 

[stryker]

I think Rudd is most definetly going to have a crack Happy. He has been unsubtely selling himself for a while now. In both his recent press conferences, he gave every indication he was going for it. He was even talking future policy this morning….

I also think he has more support than we are being told about. Gillards office leaking that tape of him was very childish and it has surely upset some. It will backfire on her for mine...I think he will go very close - if not actually succeed in toppling her on Monday. He has some high profile backers as well..Bowen supported him today for one. He has played the victim to perfection. That 4 corners report last week also envoked sympathy for him. I expect some very nasty dealings to take place over the next 3 days.

Remember he has been stewing about his treatment and certainly plotting his revenge. It will be all for nothing if he has totally misjudged the situation. As I said, it will be an interesting day....

 

[Yossarian]

By the by Yoss, I assume the level of your rage must have been catatonic with the introduction and management of the BER scheme? $16.2bill on fences, canteens and second libraries? Would have covered a lot of teacher salaries, training and development, laptops, airconditioning etc?

Pretty lousy argument. We're talking about an ongoing funding model, you're trying to draw in a one-off project.

You can downplay it all you like - you've already said you send your kids to a private school - but a lot of schools not so well off are extremely thankful for the buildings made possible by BER.

My kids spent their first seven years of school at a public institution. I know only too well how difficult it is to get the appropriate resources. The school my boys went to are thankfully awesome fund raisers, so they didn't need to rely on bureaucrats. You should speak to them about the grand folly known as the BER and it's capacity to provide things that they don't need

Fundraising only gets you so far. You'd need a lot of fundraising to pay for a large hall. I've spoken to plenty of people who are extremely happy with the infrastructure built by the BER.

 

[stryker]

I've spoken to plenty of people who are extremely happy with the infrastructure built by the BER.

Yeah I know lots of builders as well :wink:

 

[Yossarian]

I've spoken to plenty of people who are extremely happy with the infrastructure built by the BER.

Yeah I know lots of builders as well :wink:

I'm sure you do

 

[tomcat]

http://www.lolrudd.com/wp-content/gallery/rudd-images-1/rudd-gillard.png

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

http://www.lolrudd.com/wp-content/gallery/rudd-images-1/rudd-gillard.png

i'm not that fussed about Rudd challenging, that's the right of any politician with aspirations, but I am reminded of how utterly self destructive the Labor Party are capable of being at times like this. The accusations, recriminations, finger pointing and 'tales from the vault' are just unbelievable. Hayden, Hawke, Beazley, Keating and Crean were masters of the art, but Gillard has just raised the bar with her 'sabotage' comment. Dare I say she's just poured a bucket of petrol on the fire of female stereotypes.

Might be time to roll out Paul Keating for some keen political comment ? :smiley:

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

By the by Yoss, I assume the level of your rage must have been catatonic with the introduction and management of the BER scheme? $16.2bill on fences, canteens and second libraries? Would have covered a lot of teacher salaries, training and development, laptops, airconditioning etc?

Pretty lousy argument. We're talking about an ongoing funding model, you're trying to draw in a one-off project.

You can downplay it all you like - you've already said you send your kids to a private school - but a lot of schools not so well off are extremely thankful for the buildings made possible by BER.

My kids spent their first seven years of school at a public institution. I know only too well how
difficult it is to get the appropriate resources. The school my boys went to are thankfully awesome fund raisers, so they didn't need to rely on bureaucrats. You should speak to them
about the grand folly known as the BER and it's capacity to provide things that they don't need

Fundraising only gets you so far. You'd need a lot of fundraising to pay for a large hall. I've spoken to plenty of people who are extremely happy with the infrastructure built by the BER.

The bloke who won the tender for the black fences must be wealthier than Gina Reinhart. Mind you, they look very, very sharp

 

[Yossarian]

Gina Rinehart gets enough help from your friends in the Liberal Party - someone else might as well get a share.

 

[happy_tiger]

http://www.lolrudd.com/wp-content/gallery/rudd-images-1/rudd-gillard.png

To make out that Julia is as remotely as good looking as that is an abomination

 

[stryker]

hahaha listen to Rudd dribbling on…..

Half his speech is about beating Abbott. Very little about beating the coalition.

Play the ball not the man Cruddy

 

[system]

You don't need to beat the coalition for them to be beaten. Only coax Tony out of his shell and he will do the rest.

The best thing would be if this manouvering somehow shifted that biggoted god botherer out of the coalition leadership

 

[tomcat]

Unbelievable folks, Kev Rudds cornerman has stopped the bleeding and is sending Kev back out for another round. Stick and move Kev, stick and move, keep that left hand up and watch for the suckerpunch and the overhand right from the faceless men. lol

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

You don't need to beat the coalition for them to be beaten. Only coax Tony out of his shell and he will do the rest.

The best thing would be if this manouvering somehow shifted that biggoted god botherer out of the coalition leadership

That sort of shallow stuff would be funny if it were not for the fact that the Labor Party rely on exactly the same sort of strategy i.e Direct attention away from the endless blunders and play the man.

Rudd's press conference today was less about his capabilities and more about Abbott's 'shortcomings'. Isn't it good to see that the oh so fashionable atheists and self indulgent idealists have picked up the vibe.

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

hahaha listen to Rudd dribbling on…..

Half his speech is about beating Abbott. Very little about beating the coalition.

Play the ball not the man Cruddy

And yet another jibe about the coalition's lack of hard 'policy'. One of Labor's favourites, sure to pop up in every interview, along with the predictable slur about Abbott's negativity.

http://www.liberal.org.au/Policies.aspx

Perhaps Labor need some lessons in web navigation?