Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[system]

I thought I had accidently logged onto the Labor Party's web site. I have not read so much garbage for a long time. Where have some of you been living for the past 6 years?

Check out the results of the election. Worst vote for your so called great party for nearly 100 years. Wise up for Christ's sake. Our country was becoming a joke and worse a broke joke.

You know the saying about fooling some of the people some of the time? Maybe not. Get off the left wing web sites and the ABC and check things out for yourselves.

Hahahaha im with you mate, these bunch of hight talking verbally educated but souless wankers who have no idea,,,,

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[Tiger_Watto]

I found this interesting

http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/election-2013-newspapers.html

Yes, it's very interesting and supports my point in a previous post, exactly. The Australian public have been spoon fed this garbage for the 6 years of Labor leadership and they swallowed it hook, line and sinker. Labor was never given any leeway to govern the bloody nation without someone jumping on their backs about every trivial thing - be it the gutter press or some smarmy, sniveling opposition politician, yet they still managed to pass more legislation than any other govt in our history.

Since the mainstream media have never bothered to acknowledge _anything_ good that the Rudd/Gillard govts did, I'd like you to consider their achievements that I've listed below:

It actually had to guts to say 'Sorry' to Indigenous Australians for the stolen generations, something long overdue and something that John Howard was too frightened to do because of the supposed legal repercussions that have never eventuated. The restoration and healing of our nation brought about by this act was phenomenal.

It dismantled the unpopular Work Choices reform and introduced Fair Work Australia in its place.
It acted quickly to save us from recession during the world’s financial and economic meltdown, but just as important, it resisted cutting the Budget to shreds when revenue fell, despite immense political pressure to do so.

It transformed our schools and our schooling (Gonski), thus setting us up for the future and giving our children the best possible start in life. It invested wisely in tertiary education, including trades, to meet the needs of a growing and changing economy.

It made the biggest cuts on consumer prices of medicines in Australian history under the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) and allocated funding for children and concession holders to receive dental insurance through Medicare.

It created the National Disability Insurance Scheme.
It raised the pension to a decent level.
It introduced paid parental leave.
It implemented a national pay increase for Careworkers (an industry group that has been ignored by previous govts)
It introduced the 'Living Longer, Living Better' Aged Care reforms in July 2013.
It invested in roads, ports and other infrastructure that was holding us back because the previous Coalition govt ignored it.
It improved relations with China whilst maintaining a strong US commitment. In fact, its Foreign Affairs was excellent throughout its term.

It fixed the Murray-Darling river system.
It put a price on carbon that would've led to a transformation of our energy generation, if given a chance.
It was building an NBN that would've transformed the way we live and work for the better and moved us up to speed with the rest of the world.

It tried hard to stem the flow of boat people, but was blocked at every turn by an Opposition that revelled in the political mileage gained from it, whilst the media preyed on this situation by discrediting Labor's Immigration policy and painting the asylum seekers coming to our shores as akin to being invaded by the Nazis!

And it did all this, for the most part, as a **minority** government in the face of unfair resistance and schoolyard bullying from Tony Abbott & co and years of division within its own ranks.

Now, after reading the above (stuff you would never see written in the Murdoch Press or heard about on 2GB), can someone please tell me what the hell was so wrong with this last government that it needed to be changed, because when I usually ask this question to people all they can do is parrot the same crap that the mainstream media spews out - they have no real idea of their own.

During this year, I have met many people from other countries who thought that Australians were insane wanting a new government when the one they had was doing so well running their country, especially compared to the rest of the world! What does this say about us? I can only deduce that the majority of Australians are just a bunch of spoilt, ignorant whingers, who care only for their own little world and have no idea when they've got it good - me included!

Let the games begin! :mrgreen:

It's all well and good to list how much they pushed through, but I doubt they would of achieved half of this if they were a majority government and didn't need to buy everything from the Independants & Greens… The Independants got what they wanted, the Greens got plenty, and as a result Labor got what they wanted.

Strangely enough, for a Government which pushed through so much, they ended up with its lowest primary vote in its history... 66% of the Country think they are crap. Why? Labor not only sold out, they only looked after minority groups & bottom feeders. They forgot about the 'majority' of this country and got what they deserved at the election.

 

[happy_tiger]

Gittins nails it again

5 years of sooking about labor's economic management, then with 2 days to go they come out with their numbers and they're cutting gross debt by less than 1 percent

http://www.smh.com.au/business/big-change-in-party-little-in-policy-20130908-2te1h.html

Funnily enough , when Labour comes out the day before an election with their numbers its OK ,when the Coalition comes out 2 days before an election its not OK

Hypocritical analysis possibly ??

At what point did I say it was ok for labor to do it?

Are you impressed with the numbers that were released Happy?

After years of hysteria over Labor's supposed reckless spending, they come out with a less than 1% improvement on the budget bottom line?

What's your objective analysis of that?

They are returning the budget to surplus in the exact same time period as labor's forecasts, yet claim to somehow be better economic managers?

Unlike most Labor supporters I will give the the Coalition the benefit of the doubt until they screw up Winnipeg

And my objective opinion , I can't give you one at this stage the Coalition have been in power for 3 days now

Personally , I think we need a conservative approach with the world economy at the stage it is at ,something that in my opinion Abbott will supply better than Rudd

My vote was a fine balancing act , was still tossing up Saturday morning who I would vote for

As many people have said , Abbott in power will be far different than Abbott in opposition

 

[Tim Sheens]

Are you there Guest/Anonymous?

If so please back up your comments with some tangible evidence. I am still waiting for you and others to name all the great reforms and infrastructure programs the coalition is responsible for.

 

[avocadoontoast]

I thought I had accidently logged onto the Labor Party's web site. I have not read so much garbage for a long time. Where have some of you been living for the past 6 years?

Check out the results of the election. Worst vote for your so called great party for nearly 100 years. Wise up for Christ's sake. Our country was becoming a joke and worse a broke joke.

You know the saying about fooling some of the people some of the time? Maybe not. Get off the left wing web sites and the ABC and check things out for yourselves.

Hahahaha im with you mate, these bunch of hight talking verbally educated but souless wankers who have no idea,,,,

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The past 6 years kept us out of recession, kept unemployment low and performed better than almost all of the western world.

You saying the coalition could have done better. Please explain how, I'm all ears.

As an aside, we attained AAA rating during the Labor years from all three ratings agencies, something the Howard/Costello government were unable to achieve. Doesn't sound like irresponsible economic management to me..

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[Flippedy]

I found this interesting

http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/election-2013-newspapers.html

Yes, it's very interesting and supports my point in a previous post, exactly. The Australian public have been spoon fed this garbage for the 6 years of Labor leadership and they swallowed it hook, line and sinker. Labor was never given any leeway to govern the bloody nation without someone jumping on their backs about every trivial thing - be it the gutter press or some smarmy, sniveling opposition politician, yet they still managed to pass more legislation than any other govt in our history.

Since the mainstream media have never bothered to acknowledge _anything_ good that the Rudd/Gillard govts did, I'd like you to consider their achievements that I've listed below:

It actually had to guts to say 'Sorry' to Indigenous Australians for the stolen generations, something long overdue and something that John Howard was too frightened to do because of the supposed legal repercussions that have never eventuated. The restoration and healing of our nation brought about by this act was phenomenal.

It dismantled the unpopular Work Choices reform and introduced Fair Work Australia in its place.
It acted quickly to save us from recession during the world’s financial and economic meltdown, but just as important, it resisted cutting the Budget to shreds when revenue fell, despite immense political pressure to do so.

It transformed our schools and our schooling (Gonski), thus setting us up for the future and giving our children the best possible start in life. It invested wisely in tertiary education, including trades, to meet the needs of a growing and changing economy.

It made the biggest cuts on consumer prices of medicines in Australian history under the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) and allocated funding for children and concession holders to receive dental insurance through Medicare.

It created the National Disability Insurance Scheme.
It raised the pension to a decent level.
It introduced paid parental leave.
It implemented a national pay increase for Careworkers (an industry group that has been ignored by previous govts)
It introduced the 'Living Longer, Living Better' Aged Care reforms in July 2013.
It invested in roads, ports and other infrastructure that was holding us back because the previous Coalition govt ignored it.
It improved relations with China whilst maintaining a strong US commitment. In fact, its Foreign Affairs was excellent throughout its term.

It fixed the Murray-Darling river system.
It put a price on carbon that would've led to a transformation of our energy generation, if given a chance.
It was building an NBN that would've transformed the way we live and work for the better and moved us up to speed with the rest of the world.

It tried hard to stem the flow of boat people, but was blocked at every turn by an Opposition that revelled in the political mileage gained from it, whilst the media preyed on this situation by discrediting Labor's Immigration policy and painting the asylum seekers coming to our shores as akin to being invaded by the Nazis!

And it did all this, for the most part, as a **minority** government in the face of unfair resistance and schoolyard bullying from Tony Abbott & co and years of division within its own ranks.

Now, after reading the above (stuff you would never see written in the Murdoch Press or heard about on 2GB), can someone please tell me what the hell was so wrong with this last government that it needed to be changed, because when I usually ask this question to people all they can do is parrot the same crap that the mainstream media spews out - they have no real idea of their own.

During this year, I have met many people from other countries who thought that Australians were insane wanting a new government when the one they had was doing so well running their country, especially compared to the rest of the world! What does this say about us? I can only deduce that the majority of Australians are just a bunch of spoilt, ignorant whingers, who care only for their own little world and have no idea when they've got it good - me included!

Let the games begin! :mrgreen:

What absolute total rubbish, business does not exist in this country, we pay one of the heighest taxes in all arenas, property market and taxes is ridicolous, and prostituting ourselves to the chinese government and UN.
Labour drained us to the gutter, it was the strength of the Howard government that made us survive the world exonomy crisis, the only reason we got rid of liberal is that we went the tall poppy way and got rid of the best due to change.
Wake up and open your union eyes buddy labour is run by the UN elite

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Like I said - when I usually ask this question to people all they can do is parrot the same crap that the mainstream media spews out - they have no real idea of their own :unamused:

At least Tiger Watto provided a thoughtful response, even if I don't necessarily agree with him.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

It's all well and good to list how much they pushed through, but I doubt they would of achieved half of this if they were a majority government and didn't need to buy everything from the Independants & Greens… The Independants got what they wanted, the Greens got plenty, and as a result Labor got what they wanted.

Strangely enough, for a Government which pushed through so much, they ended up with its lowest primary vote in its history... 66% of the Country think they are crap. Why? Labor not only sold out, they only looked after minority groups & bottom feeders. They forgot about the 'majority' of this country and got what they deserved at the election.

There was an interview done with Gillard many months ago when she was PM and she was asked about having to work with the Greens et al. She answered by saying although it was harder and drawn out, policy development became more inclusive.

Instead of stating that the ALP "sold out", why not acknowledge the inclusive approach taken and perhaps think an optimal policy solution was actually found that represented the views of the voting public. The people voted in the Greens, Independents, Family First etc for a reason - to represent their local area or political views. You can't state a party "sold out" when it was just working in the constitutional framework we have created. People can complain as much as they like, but the facts are Gillard's government played the cards it was dealt and got a tremendous amount of policy through parliament. Importantly, exceptional and forward looking policies such as the Carbon Tax, NBN and Gonski reforms.

The new government has the same dilemma as it does not have a majority in the upper house. This Coalition government will have to be inclusive or "sell out" to get legislation through the upper house. Let's see how long it lasts….

 

[system]

Are you there Guest/Anonymous?

If so please back up your comments with some tangible evidence. I am still waiting for you and others to name all the great reforms and infrastructure programs the coalition is responsible for.

I have run a exporting business for over 30 years with an annual turnover of 15 million, the last six years has been a nightmare to my business my workers who i was forced to lay off, i have been there and done that so dont [This word has been automatically removed]in ask me to provide you with tangible evidence…..

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[avocadoontoast]

If small business is so much better under the coalition, why did Abbott vote against tax cuts for small business?

 

[dazza65]

I own a small business and agree 1000% with the above. Last 6 years has been a nightmare for SME and if it would have continued even more small business would have either gone out of business or cut employees. The whole business with the car FBT was another example of the moronic views of the ALP.
SME employ a significant amount of people and should be encouraged.
As a side note, these idiots who want to lay into Abbott and others a few days in are,by proxy, calling 75% of Aussies idiots because they didn't agree with them. Lowest primary vote in history should indicate that the average person was totally fed up with the ALP's own actions with their self serving snouts in the trough.

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[Flippedy]

Are you there Guest/Anonymous?

If so please back up your comments with some tangible evidence. I am still waiting for you and others to name all the great reforms and infrastructure programs the coalition is responsible for.

I have run a exporting business for over 30 years with an annual turnover of 15 million, the last six years has been a nightmare to my business my workers who i was forced to lay off, i have been there and done that so dont [automatically edited] ask me to provide you with tangible evidence…..

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Can you explain to me how the reforms of the Labor govt that I listed above affected your business so adversely? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, just trying to understand.

 

[pHyR3]

Personally i appreciate labour raising the tax FREE threshold from 6k to 18k. That's a lotta money saved for someone on not much.

 

[happy_tiger]

Are you there Guest/Anonymous?

If so please back up your comments with some tangible evidence. I am still waiting for you and others to name all the great reforms and infrastructure programs the coalition is responsible for.

I have run a exporting business for over 30 years with an annual turnover of 15 million, the last six years has been a nightmare to my business my workers who i was forced to lay off, i have been there and done that so dont [automatically edited] ask me to provide you with tangible evidence…..

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Can you explain to me how the reforms of the Labor govt that I listed above affected your business so adversely? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, just trying to understand.

Gee Flip after your remark before about tangible evidence , you need him to explain what has affected his EXPORTING business

Maybe the high AUD to start with ,lack of support with small business ,too much red tape lack of protection from making it harder for importers where would you like me to stop

 

[Tim Sheens]

Are you there Guest/Anonymous?

If so please back up your comments with some tangible evidence. I am still waiting for you and others to name all the great reforms and infrastructure programs the coalition is responsible for.

I have run a exporting business for over 30 years with an annual turnover of 15 million, the last six years has been a nightmare to my business my workers who i was forced to lay off, i have been there and done that so dont [automatically edited] ask me to provide you with tangible evidence…..

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I also run my own business and have less staff than six years ago.

You may recall that the the majority of the worlds advanced market based (de-regulated) economy collapsed at the time. Our currency took a huge dive, which may have helped your business overcome the initial shock. Surely the subsequent rise and long standing value of the dollar would have had the dominant effect in your business?

My question stands.

 

[pHyR3]

Are you there Guest/Anonymous?

If so please back up your comments with some tangible evidence. I am still waiting for you and others to name all the great reforms and infrastructure programs the coalition is responsible for.

I have run a exporting business for over 30 years with an annual turnover of 15 million, the last six years has been a nightmare to my business my workers who i was forced to lay off, i have been there and done that so dont [automatically edited] ask me to provide you with tangible evidence…..

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Can you explain to me how the reforms of the Labor govt that I listed above affected your business so adversely? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, just trying to understand.

Gee Flip after your remark before about tangible evidence , you need him to explain what has affected his EXPORTING business

Maybe the high AUD to start with ,lack of support with small business ,too much red tape lack of protection from making it harder for importers where would you like me to stop

Ah yes, damn the government for raising global commodity prices, heavy mining investment and the US for printing money (devaluing their currency).

Lack of support how? and no idea about 'red tape.'

Reducing protection is a pretty well known economic concept. Produce what you're good at. Why subsidise industries that are inefficient and generally crap when you could use that labour/money for more productive stuff?

 

[happy_tiger]

[q"]Are you there Guest/Anonymous?

If so please back up your comments with some tangible evidence. I am still waiting for you and others to name all the great reforms and infrastructure programs the coalition is responsible for.

I have run a exporting business for over 30 years with an annual turnover of 15 million, the last six years has been a nightmare to my business my workers who i was forced to lay off, i have been there and done that so dont [automatically edited] ask me to provide you with tangible evidence…..

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Can you explain to me how the reforms of the Labor govt that I listed above affected your business so adversely? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, just trying to understand.

Gee Flip after your remark before about tangible evidence , you need him to explain what has affected his EXPORTING business

Maybe the high AUD to start with ,lack of support with small business ,too much red tape lack of protection from making it harder for importers where would you like me to stop

Ah yes, damn the government for raising global commodity prices, heavy mining investment and the US for printing money (devaluing their currency).

Lack of support how? and no idea about 'red tape.'

Reducing protection is a pretty well known economic concept. Produce what you're good at. Why subsidise industries that are inefficient and generally crap when you could use that labour/money for more productive stuff?

Totally agree You mean like the car industry that we will never be able to support with our lack of population ??

Who has been bailing them out , and had pot shots at the Coalition about their stance

And the continually changing stance on 457 and refugees and their employment status Trust me , I know all about this , it may not be making a big noise politically or in the press but it is crazy We've had three different stances change in 9 months

We need to accept we will get worse and worse when it comes to the manufacturing industry and that's neither parties issues

We need parties to work together to try and sort out many of issues that will become big problems in the future

Climate Change ,aging workforce ,Duoplies destroying competition ,massively increasing costs in services ,lack of CPI in employment negotiations the list goes on and on and is quite a scary proposition for our grandchildren to have tio try and negotiate

 

[Tim Sheens]

It's all well and good to list how much they pushed through, but I doubt they would of achieved half of this if they were a majority government and didn't need to buy everything from the Independants & Greens… The Independants got what they wanted, the Greens got plenty, and as a result Labor got what they wanted.

Strangely enough, for a Government which pushed through so much, they ended up with its lowest primary vote in its history... 66% of the Country think they are crap. Why? Labor not only sold out, they only looked after minority groups & bottom feeders. They forgot about the 'majority' of this country and got what they deserved at the election.

There was an interview done with Gillard many months ago when she was PM and she was asked about having to work with the Greens et al. She answered by saying although it was harder and drawn out, policy development became more inclusive.

Instead of stating that the ALP "sold out", why not acknowledge the inclusive approach taken and perhaps think an optimal policy solution was actually found that represented the views of the voting public. The people voted in the Greens, Independents, Family First etc for a reason - to represent their local area or political views. You can't state a party "sold out" when it was just working in the constitutional framework we have created. People can complain as much as they like, but the facts are Gillard's government played the cards it was dealt and got a tremendous amount of policy through parliament. Importantly, exceptional and forward looking policies such as the Carbon Tax, NBN and Gonski reforms.

The new government has the same dilemma as it does not have a majority in the upper house. This Coalition government will have to be inclusive or "sell out" to get legislation through the upper house. Let's see how long it lasts….

Too true. We live in a democratic country, meaning that we all have the right to a voice that represents our individual preference.

Once history has separated the BS from the facts, this past Parliament will be looked upon very favourably.

 

[Flippedy]

Are you there Guest/Anonymous?

If so please back up your comments with some tangible evidence. I am still waiting for you and others to name all the great reforms and infrastructure programs the coalition is responsible for.

I have run a exporting business for over 30 years with an annual turnover of 15 million, the last six years has been a nightmare to my business my workers who i was forced to lay off, i have been there and done that so dont [automatically edited] ask me to provide you with tangible evidence…..

_Posted using RoarFEED 2013_

Can you explain to me how the reforms of the Labor govt that I listed above affected your business so adversely? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, just trying to understand.

Gee Flip after your remark before about tangible evidence , you need him to explain what has affected his EXPORTING business

Maybe the high AUD to start with ,lack of support with small business ,too much red tape lack of protection from making it harder for importers where would you like me to stop

I didn't make that remark about tangible evidence, Happy. The above is the first question I asked of him/her.

 

[tig_prmz]

i havent read the entire thread but re: the election- the only thing is that i dont think Liberals won the election and more like the ALP lost it with the leadership dramas, carbon tax etc. public was fed up with them.

not sure if liberal is gonna do any better but ALP didn't deserve to be in the government esp led by keving rudd.

on the other side, liberals had a few very questionable policies as well.

 

[happy_tiger]

Who do you think that the Coalition will make Speaker of the House ??

Sophie Mirabella has a face that would scare a shark if she is re elected

Sorted Any other takers ??