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@Anthism said:
Internet is NOT a luxury at all and it's stances like this that are going to time machine us so we can't keep up with the rest of the world.

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1\. The colilitions policy is to extend fibre to the premisis anywhere there 'is sufficient demand to justify it', such as schools, hospitals and commercial centres which would just reduce the number of wasted connections. Like my grandparents premisis would be.

2\. Because of the lower cost, the internet will be more accessabile (and sooner) which is actually the biggest barrier towards promoting the educational benefits, not speed.

3\. New estates will require fibre connections which means the developers bare the cost.

Finally, If you REALLY want it, you can pay for it! Which is a far more efficient use of capital.

Getting it sooner and cheaper will strengthen our competivness, not the other way around.
 
@happy tiger said:
@Winnipeg said:
'Internet is a luxury'

Deadset

Where do you think the jobs of the future will come from, especially with manufacturing being left to die?

But what else can we do with manufacturing Winnipeg ,honestly

If we can compete internationally with a product that's fine , but in the majority of cases we can't

Businesses don't want quality products anymore , they want stuff made cheap that the consumer has to replace 2-3 in the lifetime of something that would of lasted as long as three of those things 30 years ago

We can't subsidise everyone so we compete , we need to think smarter in this day and age

The world is changing and we need to change with it

I know what you're saying, and it might be true that manufacturing is on the way out and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

If we want to have a future in manufacturing it has to be high end precision stuff and not just a piece of crap that can be assembled by any unskilled third world worker. BAE still makes jet fighter parts in australia for example.

But really my point was that IF manufacturing goes, people will need jobs, and the NBN will help facilitate job creation. Mining and farming isn't going to employ the whole nation.

Watto, why does the government build roads? Why not just let corporations build roads where they need them?
 
@Winnipeg said:
@happy tiger said:
@Winnipeg said:
'Internet is a luxury'

Deadset

Where do you think the jobs of the future will come from, especially with manufacturing being left to die?

But what else can we do with manufacturing Winnipeg ,honestly

If we can compete internationally with a product that's fine , but in the majority of cases we can't

Businesses don't want quality products anymore , they want stuff made cheap that the consumer has to replace 2-3 in the lifetime of something that would of lasted as long as three of those things 30 years ago

We can't subsidise everyone so we compete , we need to think smarter in this day and age

The world is changing and we need to change with it

I know what you're saying, and it might be true that manufacturing is on the way out and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

If we want to have a future in manufacturing it has to be high end precision stuff and not just a piece of crap that can be assembled by any unskilled third world worker. BAE still makes jet fighter parts in australia for example.

But really my point was that IF manufacturing goes, people will need jobs, and the NBN will help facilitate job creation. Mining and farming isn't going to employ the whole nation.

Watto, why does the government build roads? Why not just let corporations build roads where they need them?

Better still , why don't we use the work for the dole scheme build roads and get some value for our tax payers dollars ??

Or even better our "safe " prisoners could be used to work on the roads ??

Or even better again , when our infantry aren't needed for war time operations use them for road works ??
 
@Winnipeg said:
Yeah but why have an army?

Corporations and the wealthy can just pay people to protect their assets

:smiley:

well the government needs an army & policing to ensure corporations & the wealthy don't simply go around bashing Labor supporters

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@hammertime said:
Finally, If you REALLY want it, you can pay for it! Which is a far more efficient use of capital.

Getting it sooner and cheaper will strengthen our competivness, not the other way around.

I don't know if you've read the coalitions NBN document, but you can only pay to upgrade it if it doesn't meet the coalitions minimum of 25mbit. so if you REALLY want it, and you meet Tony "Jesus didn't use emails" Abbot arbitrary number, best of luck to you and whatever business you happen to be running.

It also depends on what you mean by sooner and cheaper

It won't be cheaper for people to sign up to it. it will only cost $800m less and have to replaced and I don't mean "extended" into homes. I mean the nodes will be have to be removed and replaced.

Deadset anyone who believes the internet isn't a critical part of business today, I'd wager isn't in business at all.
 
@Tiger Watto said:
@Winnipeg said:
'Internet is a luxury'

Deadset

Where do you think the jobs of the future will come from, especially with manufacturing being left to die?

There will be plenty of jobs that wont need to rely on the Internet buddy… If it doesn't exist, corporations and businesses will find a way around it. We have done so for 100's of years :unamused:

Watto, that's an odd comment. You can't seriously want the country to dumb down and "find a way around things"? Businesses would shun Australia with that backward thinking. The rest of the world commits to technologically advancements and we commit to horse n cart. It's a weird political strategy, but hey, the less info we have the less likely we are to complain.
 
@owley girl said:
@Tiger Watto said:
@Winnipeg said:
'Internet is a luxury'

Deadset

Where do you think the jobs of the future will come from, especially with manufacturing being left to die?

There will be plenty of jobs that wont need to rely on the Internet buddy… If it doesn't exist, corporations and businesses will find a way around it. We have done so for 100's of years :unamused:

Watto, that's an odd comment. You can't seriously want the country to dumb down and "find a way around things"? Businesses would shun Australia with that backward thinking. The rest of the world commits to technologically advancements and we commit to horse n cart. It's a weird political strategy, but hey, the less info we have the less likely we are to complain.

The country has already been "dumbed down"

Check out our results re education.

Check out the behaviour of our "future leaders" on a friday night in any pub or club.

We need less internet and more discipline.
 
@owley girl said:
@Tiger Watto said:
@Winnipeg said:
'Internet is a luxury'

Deadset

Where do you think the jobs of the future will come from, especially with manufacturing being left to die?

There will be plenty of jobs that wont need to rely on the Internet buddy… If it doesn't exist, corporations and businesses will find a way around it. We have done so for 100's of years :unamused:

Watto, that's an odd comment. You can't seriously want the country to dumb down and "find a way around things"? Businesses would shun Australia with that backward thinking. The rest of the world commits to technologically advancements and we commit to horse n cart. It's a weird political strategy, but hey, the less info we have the less likely we are to complain.

don't want to dumb down, or get rid of internet… It currently works, we are currently upgrading it to ensure it is smarter, but under no circumstances should it be a subject of political alignment.

Both parties are committed to it, they just have a difference in opinion in how to execute it.

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Happy new year everyone

I hope those of you with small businesses got you instant asset write offs in before the new year.

Meanwhile, it turns out Tony Abbott has been lying repeatedly

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/broken-vows-pile-up-as-coalitions-pledge-of-1-million-new-jobs-refuted-20140101-3066n.html

**Broken vows pile up as Coalition's pledge of 1 million new jobs refuted**
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The Abbott government faces further pressure over broken promises with a new analysis showing it will fall well short of its pledge to create 1 million jobs over five years.
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Despite Tony Abbott's repeated vows as opposition leader to ''under-promise and over-deliver'' in government, new parliamentary research based on the government's own economic forecasts indicates the Coalition will fall at least 200,000 jobs short.
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The analysis, carried out by the Parliamentary Library at the request of Labor, was backed by a range of economists.
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In the run-up to the election, Mr Abbott repeatedly vowed to create 1 million new jobs over five years, and 2 million over a decade, by scrapping the carbon and mining taxes, cutting red tape for business, and boosting productivity, among other measures.
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By combining employment data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics with Treasury's jobs growth forecast in last month's mini-budget, the library calculated the Australian economy would add about 620,000 jobs over the next four years. Even allowing for a fifth year, the figures show the government will fall well short of 1 million new jobs.
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The mini-budget, or midyear economic and fiscal outlook (MYEFO), was the government's first major economic statement.
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The analysis follows broken Coalition promises on school funding and the roll-out of the National Broadband Network, as well as hints at changes to paid parental leave, the National Disability Insurance Scheme and Medicare. It also comes as the government battles the political fallout of job losses with the planned pull-out by Holden and lay-offs by SPC Ardmona.
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Acting Treasurer Mathias Cormann stood by the government's jobs pledge, blaming Labor for the modest jobs growth forecast in the MYEFO.
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''It is no secret that we inherited an economy growing below trend, rising unemployment, and a budget in very bad shape,'' he said. ''MYEFO is a reflection of that.''
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But shadow treasurer Chris Bowen said the shortfall looked set to become Mr Abbott's ''biggest broken promise''.
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''We cannot continue to see the poor performance on jobs continue with mass lay-offs, particularly in manufacturing, as the government abandons any meaningful role in fostering innovation and the high-skills and high-wage jobs that come with that,'' he said.
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Professor Bill Mitchell, head of the University of Newcastle's Centre of Full Employment and Equity, said the jobs promise was ''incredibly far-fetched''. He said the shortfall would be greater even than the Parliamentary Library's figures suggested because Treasury's employment forecasts were overly optimistic.
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Employment growth over the past two years had been ''virtually flat'', he said. Deep cuts flagged by the government in its coming May budget would worsen the problem.
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Bank of America Merrill Lynch chief economist Saul Eslake said the government would need real GDP growth to be 4 per cent to 4.5 per cent. ''Nobody is forecasting that,'' he said. And Shane Oliver, chief economist at AMP Capital, said the pledge was ''a bit of a stretch'', given Treasury's jobs growth forecast was fairly flat.
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John Daley, chief executive officer of the Grattan Institute, said employment growth would depend largely on factors beyond the government's control, such as the global economy.

He promised a 'no surprises, no excuses' government.

I'm not surprised, I knew he was full of sh–.

Bit disappointed to see Mathias Cormann reaching for excuses though...
 
Winnipeg , he is how many months into his term and your judging him on a 4 year plan on that basis

If in four years he comes 320 k short on jobs shoot him then

Problem probably is they didn't realize how big a bloody mess Labor left this country in

But that's OK isn't it , as long as you protect businesses that can't support themselves

Strange how it was OK for major employers like Ansett to be left to die , but any other business is different
 
@happy tiger said:
Winnipeg , he is how many months into his term and your judging him on a 4 year plan on that basis

If in four years he comes 320 k short on jobs shoot him then

Problem probably is they didn't realize how big a bloody mess Labor left this country in

But that's OK isn't it , as long as you protect businesses that can't support themselves

Strange how it was OK for major employers like Ansett to be left to die , but any other business is different

Of course they knew. They have access to the same financial information. This tired old excuse is just that, an excuse. The economy is actually pretty good given the international economic circumstances. Abbot is just a liar. Pure and simple. Could lie straight in bed.

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@Guest said:
@happy tiger said:
Winnipeg , he is how many months into his term and your judging him on a 4 year plan on that basis

If in four years he comes 320 k short on jobs shoot him then

Problem probably is they didn't realize how big a bloody mess Labor left this country in

But that's OK isn't it , as long as you protect businesses that can't support themselves

Strange how it was OK for major employers like Ansett to be left to die , but any other business is different

Of course they knew. They have access to the same financial information. This tired old excuse is just that, an excuse. The economy is actually pretty good given the international economic circumstances. Abbot is just a liar. Pure and simple. Could lie straight in bed.

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Your right!!

Remember when he said " There will be no carbon tax under the Government I lead "

Oh wait.
 
@magpiecol said:
@Guest said:
@happy tiger said:
Winnipeg , he is how many months into his term and your judging him on a 4 year plan on that basis

If in four years he comes 320 k short on jobs shoot him then

Problem probably is they didn't realize how big a bloody mess Labor left this country in

But that's OK isn't it , as long as you protect businesses that can't support themselves

Strange how it was OK for major employers like Ansett to be left to die , but any other business is different

Of course they knew. They have access to the same financial information. This tired old excuse is just that, an excuse. The economy is actually pretty good given the international economic circumstances. Abbot is just a liar. Pure and simple. Could lie straight in bed.

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Your right!!

Remember when he said " There will be no carbon tax under the Government I lead "

Oh wait.

Abbott cronies still bringing this up despite the fact Gillard had to deal with the Greens to maintain government. Political realities can shape choice. Abbott just lies and then says poeple misheard. He is a crook and I say that as someone who voted for him.

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It's exactly because Abbott spent three years moaning about Gillard's political judgements that he can't afford to break any of his own promises

Happy, do you think the Libs will still be running the 'Labor are terrible' line at the next election? Or will they have found some aspirations of their own by then?
 
@Guest said:
@magpiecol said:
@Guest said:
@happy tiger said:
Winnipeg , he is how many months into his term and your judging him on a 4 year plan on that basis

If in four years he comes 320 k short on jobs shoot him then

Problem probably is they didn't realize how big a bloody mess Labor left this country in

But that's OK isn't it , as long as you protect businesses that can't support themselves

Strange how it was OK for major employers like Ansett to be left to die , but any other business is different

Of course they knew. They have access to the same financial information. This tired old excuse is just that, an excuse. The economy is actually pretty good given the international economic circumstances. Abbot is just a liar. Pure and simple. Could lie straight in bed.

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Your right!!

Remember when he said " There will be no carbon tax under the Government I lead "

Oh wait.

Abbott cronies still bringing this up despite the fact Gillard had to deal with the Greens to maintain government. Political realities can shape choice. Abbott just lies and then says poeple misheard. He is a crook and I say that as someone who voted for him.

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So it is ok to lie just to stay in Government.

Get off the kool-aid and think before mouthing off so much crap.
 
You seem to have 'lie just to stay in government' mixed up with 'negotiate in order to form a minority government'

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Every politician lies.

If we had a candidate that spoke the truth one day they would get nowhere fast.

My issue with labors lies were that they were blatant and used only to get votes and into office.

You will NEVER please everyone. NEVER.

This political devide will exist forever which is a good thing. But we all need to accept that we are great country with a very bright future. We will be fine as long as something extremes doesn't happen like the greens getting in.

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