Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[system]

You pick the best person for the job not because of their gender.

The labor party did the opposite and look what happened. Every one of the female ministers in that awful Government were a disaster. The Prime Minister being the worst by far.

Do you still carry a club around to keep women in their place Col?

You are entitled to an opinion, but you should at least try to base it on facts. One must be just as conservative as those wielding the power within the Libs to even think about making a statement such as your second paragraph.

Please inform us as to where "every one" of these female ministers failed in their duties. I will help you with some of the names, starting with Macklin (one of the most respected by all), Roxon, Plibersek, Lundy, Collins, King, etc etc.

I also have a few spare candles lying around in case you would like to brighten the cave up a little.

You forgot Wong and Gillard.

Need I say more.

Yes you do. What did Wong do wrong? A very good, intelligent minister who represented us well.

Gillard was a good minister but simply not a great PM. The disgusting attacks on her didnt help. However, the National Disability Scheme will go down as one of the great achievements of any government in the past 20 years.

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[Cultured_Bogan]

You pick the best person for the job not because of their gender.

The labor party did the opposite and look what happened. Every one of the female ministers in that awful Government were a disaster. The Prime Minister being the worst by far.

Do you still carry a club around to keep women in their place Col?

You are entitled to an opinion, but you should at least try to base it on facts. One must be just as conservative as those wielding the power within the Libs to even think about making a statement such as your second paragraph.

Please inform us as to where "every one" of these female ministers failed in their duties. I will help you with some of the names, starting with Macklin (one of the most respected by all), Roxon, Plibersek, Lundy, Collins, King, etc etc.

I also have a few spare candles lying around in case you would like to brighten the cave up a little.

You forgot Wong and Gillard.

Need I say more.

Yeah, you do actually. They asked you where said ministers failed in their duties? Care to present any facts or will you spill the usual rhetoric?

 

[system]

Stryker, it is "my call" that the mob that Rupert elected is the most appalling, deceitful, disgraceful, shameful and embarrassing government in Australia's history. And, I'm proud to own that call and I will work to make sure others hear that opinion. If you want to support them and their policies and values, go for your life. But that, in my eyes, diminishes you. But…hey...it's a democracy.

LOL Worst government in this nations history? you are a fair dinkum joke. Enjoy your anger…as misplaced and irrational as it is

had a good laugh over the past 72hours…

First we saw a Swing towards the LNP in the Griffith By-Election over the weekend, and todays polls revealed Labors Primary Vote has dropped since the election, followed by Bill Shitons Dissatisfaction Rating rising...

The LNP must be worried?!

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[Winnipeg]

Labor's primary vote dropped by one percentage point which is within the margin of error.

You may want to mention that the Greens' primary vote was up 3 to 12 per cent, not bad for a supposedly dead party.

But I guess it's nice to see conservative supporters drop their 'who cares about polls' attitude, at least for one poll result :smiley:

 

[hammertime]

Labor's primary vote dropped by one percentage point which is within the margin of error.

You may want to mention that the Greens' primary vote was up 3 to 12 per cent, not bad for a supposedly dead party.

But I guess it's nice to see conservative supporters drop their 'who cares about polls' attitude, at least for one poll result :smiley:

Is it down to single figures yet?

If not, once Abbott gets everyone back to work and people realise that it's not too bad, we might get it dropping even further…. :wink:

 

[Yossarian]

Gets everyone back to work??? He's probably lost more jobs in his first 6 months than any incoming PM since Federation. He's got Buckleys of even reaching his BS million job target.

 

[happy_tiger]

Gets everyone back to work??? He's probably lost more jobs in his first 6 months than any incoming PM since Federation. He's got Buckleys of even reaching his BS million job target.

Yoss so you are condoning the government basically giving the employees of these companies $30000 per employee to keep their business alive

Where do we draw the line , what about small business ??

The car industry will never prosper until our population doubles or our dollar drops by 1/3-1/2 its current value

Drop the tariffs , make imported cars far cheaper

Consumers will then have more money to spend in other areas were hopefully many of these manufacturing staff can be retrained and everyone is a winner

Not so simple I understand , but we need to be making smart decisions in these changing times

 

[Anthism]

Labor's primary vote dropped by one percentage point which is within the margin of error.

You may want to mention that the Greens' primary vote was up 3 to 12 per cent, not bad for a supposedly dead party.

But I guess it's nice to see conservative supporters drop their 'who cares about polls' attitude, at least for one poll result :smiley:

Is it down to single figures yet?

If not, once Abbott gets everyone back to work and people realise that it's not too bad, we might get it dropping even further…. :wink:

Unless you mean work for the dole, I wouldn't be too hopeful.
This government's only resolution to any problem with planning (I.e other than 3 word slogans) during the election was stopping the boats and the longevity of this program let alone details of operations and potential scandals is yet to be seen. Diversions everywhere.

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[magpiecol]

Labor's primary vote dropped by one percentage point which is within the margin of error.

You may want to mention that the Greens' primary vote was up 3 to 12 per cent, not bad for a supposedly dead party.

But I guess it's nice to see conservative supporters drop their 'who cares about polls' attitude, at least for one poll result :smiley:

Is it down to single figures yet?

If not, once Abbott gets everyone back to work and people realise that it's not too bad, we might get it dropping even further…. :wink:

Unless you mean work for the dole, I wouldn't be too hopeful.
This government's only resolution to any problem with planning (I.e other than 3 word slogans) during the election was stopping the boats and the longevity of this program let alone details of operations and potential scandals is yet to be seen. Diversions everywhere.

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Surprise!!!

The boats have stopped!!!

No more people drowning and you worry about "potential scandals". Whatever that means.

Wise up.

 

[Yossarian]

The boats haven't stopped at all. If they had you wouldn't see those lifeboats washing up in Indonesia.

 

[Yossarian]

Gets everyone back to work??? He's probably lost more jobs in his first 6 months than any incoming PM since Federation. He's got Buckleys of even reaching his BS million job target.

Yoss so you are condoning the government basically giving the employees of these companies $30000 per employee to keep their business alive

Where do we draw the line , what about small business ??

The car industry will never prosper until our population doubles or our dollar drops by 1/3-1/2 its current value

Drop the tariffs , make imported cars far cheaper

Consumers will then have more money to spend in other areas were hopefully many of these manufacturing staff can be retrained and everyone is a winner

Not so simple I understand , but we need to be making smart decisions in these changing times

It was okay for Cadbury. I'm not advocating that sort of spending but I'm not the person who promised to create a million jobs.

 

[happy_tiger]

Gets everyone back to work??? He's probably lost more jobs in his first 6 months than any incoming PM since Federation. He's got Buckleys of even reaching his BS million job target.

Yoss so you are condoning the government basically giving the employees of these companies $30000 per employee to keep their business alive

Where do we draw the line , what about small business ??

The car industry will never prosper until our population doubles or our dollar drops by 1/3-1/2 its current value

Drop the tariffs , make imported cars far cheaper

Consumers will then have more money to spend in other areas were hopefully many of these manufacturing staff can be retrained and everyone is a winner

Not so simple I understand , but we need to be making smart decisions in these changing times

It was okay for Cadbury. I'm not advocating that sort of spending but I'm not the person who promised to create a million jobs.

And they still have time to do that

I suppose now they have create 1.05 million jobs

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The boats haven't stopped at all. If they had you wouldn't see those lifeboats washing up in Indonesia.

Bingo, they haven't stopped, they're being turned around.

They're redirected the boats, they haven't stopped them at all.

 

[Anthism]

Labor's primary vote dropped by one percentage point which is within the margin of error.

You may want to mention that the Greens' primary vote was up 3 to 12 per cent, not bad for a supposedly dead party.

But I guess it's nice to see conservative supporters drop their 'who cares about polls' attitude, at least for one poll result :smiley:

Is it down to single figures yet?

If not, once Abbott gets everyone back to work and people realise that it's not too bad, we might get it dropping even further…. :wink:

Unless you mean work for the dole, I wouldn't be too hopeful.
This government's only resolution to any problem with planning (I.e other than 3 word slogans) during the election was stopping the boats and the longevity of this program let alone details of operations and potential scandals is yet to be seen. Diversions everywhere.

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Surprise!!!

The boats have stopped!!!

No more people drowning and you worry about "potential scandals". Whatever that means.

Wise up.

You are so delusional if you think there's nothing suspicious about Abbott launching a royal commission at unions (Labor) at the same time as allegations of bad navy practice surface and gain evidence for a potential investigation (which Abbott is unlikely to act on - if he was confident there is no wrong doing he'd do it with no problem). Especially given they aren't prepared to release any details. Anyone who thinks the navy are saints is beyond naive. There are bad eggs in any profession and the navy are no exception.
So you clue up.
Maybe there is nothing more to it than allegations but to make an assumption there is no wrong doing is ridiculous.

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[Demonborger]

The entire problem is the subsidies and privileges for the financial sector. They chose to speculate on land prices rather than invest in new property, plant and equipment and labour skills. Speculation on land prices means that the capital is channeled into non-productive assets, and that labour here is more expensive than it should be. Seeing as real estate is needed as an overhead of labour and all….

The Hawke, Keating, Howard, Guillard, Rudd and Abbott governments have all had neoliberal policies that have arrived at this point, they'd rather do what their think tanks and ideological indoctrinators tell them, than do what is best for the Australian people.

We've had a good 20+ years of under investment in productive industry and public infrastructure. All while boosting our population with millions of people and opening our markets to foreign competitors (who didn't speculate on land and price themselves out of the market).

Nothing will happen from governments because pension and super schemes are all entwined with our land speculation ponzi scheme, and for now the retirees and soon to be retirees are a massive voting bloc unable to be ignored. At some point mass structural unemployment, underemployment and potential bankruptcy will swing the political spectrum the other way, but by then we would have given other countries a huge head start on capital investment in productive industry and seen our living standards and wealth inequality change for the worse.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Regardless of ones view on asylum seeker policy, the current situation on Manus Island is disgusting, and the immigration minister lying to our faces during his press conferences even more unacceptable. "I don"t have any of that information available to me", my arse.

:wtf were the additional one hundred security guards deployed there two weeks ago doing? Apparently they were protecting buildings whilst people under our care were being bludgeoned, one of them to death.

Staff being gagged by contracts, or worse, being told to lie about the situation in emails etc is shameful behavior, let alone in a supposed democratic country. Surely even those that suffer from stop signal like colouring around the collar region, cannot condone this.

 

[Tim Sheens]

People wanting political change are dying on the streets of a number of less developed countries than ours around the world, whilst I type this. Yet i believe that overall, we blindly allow corporations to dictate, and have recently elected a government with a platform based largely on misinformation.

Go figure.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Regardless of ones view on asylum seeker policy, the current situation on Manus Island is disgusting, and the immigration minister lying to our faces during his press conferences even more unacceptable. "I don"t have any of that information available to me", my arse.

:wtf were the additional one hundred security guards deployed there two weeks ago doing? Apparently they were protecting buildings whilst people under our care were being bludgeoned, one of them to death.

Staff being gagged by contracts, or worse, being told to lie about the situation in emails etc is shameful behavior, let alone in a supposed democratic country. Surely even those that suffer from stop signal like colouring around the collar region, cannot condone this.

what did you expect him to say "the locals don't want us there"?

 

[Tim Sheens]

[quote="Tiger Watto"
what did you expect him to say "the locals don't want us there"?

Not a bad suggestion for part of a response. Certainly better than the smoke and mirrors, or mushroom approach.

But hey, I understand there is an audience for them to cater to, including those that may well just prefer to keep their head shoved firmly up their ask your mother for six pence.

 

[magpiecol]

Who started this left wing crap thread?

There are plenty of ways to come to this country legally. Some people prefer to pay their way illegally thus stopping legitimate refugees from admission.

Tune out the ABC, Sarah Hansen - Dumb and get off twitter and make some legitimate inquiries for yourselves.