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@happy tiger said:
The budget didn't miss us , did it

Its the budget we needed , but he is going to struggle to sell it to the Australian voters

He doesn't need to sell it to voters for another 2 years… Wait for the Pre-Election Budget!
 
Best Budget I have read in possible 15-20 years. [still reading though]

The Mining Tax is a 2 pronged argument CB… If its not profitable, who will dig it up? If its not dug up, whats the new budget shortfall? But, its our resources and are we selling it off too cheap? Once its gone, its gone?

The Pension whining is simply rubbish... Paul Keating told us decades ago this was coming. Now we had a Treasurer who has the balls to tell us! I've had the perspective for a long time now. If you were born after 1969, you knew the pension wasn't gona be around and you need to be self funded retiring... It comes into effect in 2035, so the maths is about fair!

Back to reading....
 
"The Budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed, lest Rome will become bankrupt.
People must again learn to work instead of living on public assistance."
- Cicero, 55 BC
 
The budget as a whole is a pass mark for mine.

The deregulation of University fees is very dangerous and stupid. Moving down a path which can eventually remove tertiary prospects for underprivileged people is not the way to go.

The small business help is appreciated.

The renovation of the Lodge (unrevealed but last estimate on the table for approval was 4.35 million over 3 years) is laughable. 25% of the budget is repair and prevention, the remainder is decoration.

I don't like the attack on the under privileged. As a substantial contributor to the tax system I think a society is not judged by numbers but by how we treat those amongst us who are the most vulnerable.

The simple lies being told by every government is a) surplus is vital b) cutting human services is essential and at the same time undervaluing our natural resources is acceptable.

The root causes of this economic lull actually lay with successive governments selling off public assets that employed millions of citizens to try and give surplus in a budget. We now find ourselves as a nation at the same point with no worthwhile assets remaining.

It is truly laughable.

The day we started listening to economists to determine public policy was the day we began this slide
 
@Tiger Watto said:
@happy tiger said:
The budget didn't miss us , did it

Its the budget we needed , but he is going to struggle to sell it to the Australian voters

He doesn't need to sell it to voters for another 2 years… Wait for the Pre-Election Budget!

You misjudge the climate Watto.

If Palmer thinks he has a chance at more power you will see a double dissolution of government because this will not pass the senate as it stands
 
Palmer has some pretty smart people around him… But ultimately, he wants Queensland!

I'm looking forward to the next round of State Elections...
 
@Tiger Watto said:
Best Budget I have read in possible 15-20 years. [still reading though]

The Mining Tax is a 2 pronged argument CB… If its not profitable, who will dig it up? If its not dug up, whats the new budget shortfall? But, its our resources and are we selling it off too cheap? Once its gone, its gone?

The Pension whining is simply rubbish... Paul Keating told us decades ago this was coming. Now we had a Treasurer who has the balls to tell us! I've had the perspective for a long time now. If you were born after 1969, you knew the pension wasn't gona be around and you need to be self funded retiring... It comes into effect in 2035, so the maths is about fair!

Back to reading....

Wish you had been right about after 1969 Watto :mrgreen:
 
I know this will probably become Australia's dirty little secret in the future

But I wonder how many 70 + year old people in the future who can't live off the pension and their retirement funds and don't want to burden their children end up committing suicide ??
 
Probably none of the former MP's who for some reason continue to draw a salary for life.

Would have been far more honest of Hockey to announce a Mandatory Euthanasia at 70 as part of his policy to reduce debt.
 
@happy tiger said:
I know this will probably become Australia's dirty little secret in the future

But I wonder how many 70 + year old people in the future who can't live off the pension and their retirement funds and don't want to burden their children end up committing suicide ??

hopefully all of them…itrs their own fault. :wink:
 
@stryker said:
@happy tiger said:
I know this will probably become Australia's dirty little secret in the future

But I wonder how many 70 + year old people in the future who can't live off the pension and their retirement funds and don't want to burden their children end up committing suicide ??

hopefully all of them…itrs their own fault. :wink:

so putting a wink after that comment makes it all ok?
pathetic.
 
It seems to me that if you are sick, old or disabled and therefore unable to pay income tax the upper echelon wants you dead. How long will it be until Logan's Run becomes a reality for us plebeians?
 
@TJL said:
It seems to me that if you are sick, old or disabled and therefore unable to pay income tax the upper echelon wants you dead. How long will it be until Logan's Run becomes a reality for us plebeians?

You get to 'they want us dead' that from capping indexation of pensions???

The handouts and set top boxes alone account for decades of pension indexation.

On the sick, while the $7 is a pain, it's a necessary evil in trying to rein in unessecary boomer spending… It makes me so angry that the public just simply whinges yet never comes up with alternate solution besides taxing the rich some more.

I'm over in Italy at the moment. It's amazing how messed up their economy is. If we don't protect ourselves, and do it soon, we will go down with the rest of the world when the boomer liabilities start hitting our trading partners.

We are in this together. I'm willing to play my part. It's so frustrating that others aren't.
 
@hammertime said:
@TJL said:
It seems to me that if you are sick, old or disabled and therefore unable to pay income tax the upper echelon wants you dead. How long will it be until Logan's Run becomes a reality for us plebeians?

You get to 'they want us dead' that from capping indexation of pensions???

The handouts and set top boxes alone account for decades of pension indexation.

On the sick, while the $7 is a pain, it's a necessary evil in trying to rein in unessecary boomer spending… It makes me so angry that the public just simply whinges yet never comes up with alternate solution besides taxing the rich some more.

I'm over in Italy at the moment. It's amazing how messed up their economy is. If we don't protect ourselves, and do it soon, we will go down with the rest of the world when the boomer liabilities start hitting our trading partners.

We are in this together. I'm willing to play my part. It's so frustrating that we have so many in Australia that whinge with no alternative solution. That not a go at you TLJ, just annoyed at the public response to less hardship now than later. Australians seem to love a quick buck.

Honestly, we should be raising the gst. I wish it wasn't such a political no no
 
@stryker said:
@happy tiger said:
I know this will probably become Australia's dirty little secret in the future

But I wonder how many 70 + year old people in the future who can't live off the pension and their retirement funds and don't want to burden their children end up committing suicide ??

hopefully all of them…itrs their own fault. :wink:

Australian altruism and humanity on show there… :unamused:
 
When the Budget is analysed and scrutinized, it all boils down to this:

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/natsem-confirms–australia-s-poorest-hardest-hit-by-budget-223950750.html?cmp=ydn
 
@softlaw said:
@stryker said:
@happy tiger said:
I know this will probably become Australia's dirty little secret in the future

But I wonder how many 70 + year old people in the future who can't live off the pension and their retirement funds and don't want to burden their children end up committing suicide ??

hopefully all of them…itrs their own fault. :wink:

so putting a wink after that comment makes it all ok?
pathetic.

Read between the lines you clown LOL
 
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