Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Yossarian]

Okay well there it is I guess. I'm talking about primary evidence and expert testimony. If you'd rather go with gut instinct and internet amateurs that's your call.

Because politicians have never lied to us, lol I think we're both talking about primary evidence and therein lies the inaccuracies that don't make sense. Jusst because someone is sceptical it is "internet ametuers and gut instinct" LOL gtfo

Looks like other people can't even be bothered to argue and show you their evidence cause you are so close minded to counter theories. I could send you links to first hand witnesses but then again you wouldn't agree with it anyway. Debating the wind.

Ive tried to be respectful to you, it'd be nice if you returned the favour. Witnesses vary in what they report. That's what they do. But as an overall collective and when considered with actual proper evidence they don't support the 35 shooter theory… if you want to put something forward that's supported by evidence and not dotted lines or fantasy stories from ex felons go for it.

I just finished reading JFK and the unspeakable.. and read Brothers few years ago by Talbot…No doubt in my mind it was a conspiracy.

Amazing evidence in there from LHO's handler George de Mohrenschildt to Richard Case Nagell to Hoover and LBJ's hatchetman Mac Wallace; Clay Shaw and on and on and on.

one shooter from the texas book depository was Mac Wallace

People like Jim Garrison and Mark Lane have interviewed dozens and dozens of witnesses who all claim shots came from behind and in front on the grassy knoll. In my opinion the shot from the front came from James Files (linked to the mob/cia). The evidence is overwhelming. It really is. I am happy to run all of it through with you but...

perhaps lets all just agree to disagree.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxtrFoh3Pao

I'm not the one reopening the debate. I've studied the evidence with actual bona fide detectives - the actual primary evidence not a book where it's filtered or YouTube videos.

What is overwhelming is the evidence pointing to Oswald. If you want to believe fairy tales go for it.

 

[Abraham]

I legally have to vote now. 😢 😢
And i don't know a think about politics even though i did Commerce and Business studies at school.

Politics is about values, not what subjects you did at school.

Find out what your values are, and then try and match them to a politician or party that represents them.

The major parties are all so closely aligned at present its hard to tell them apart, which is why many people are ditching them for smaller 'micro' parties.

If you get stuck, just steer clear or anything to do with the socialism/marxism/leftism.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

"Find out what your values are and run with that. Except the values that I oppose…"

 

[jadtiger]

I legally have to vote now. 😢 😢
And i don't know a think about politics even though i did Commerce and Business studies at school.

Politics is about values, not what subjects you did at school.

Find out what your values are, and then try and match them to a politician or party that represents them.

The major parties are all so closely aligned at present its hard to tell them apart, which is why many people are ditching them for smaller 'micro' parties.

If you get stuck, just steer clear or anything to do with the socialism/marxism/leftism.

You forgot the worst 3 nationalism/capitalism/rightism.

 

[Geo]

Politics and values…bwhahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[Abraham]

I legally have to vote now. 😢 😢
And i don't know a think about politics even though i did Commerce and Business studies at school.

Politics is about values, not what subjects you did at school.

Find out what your values are, and then try and match them to a politician or party that represents them.

The major parties are all so closely aligned at present its hard to tell them apart, which is why many people are ditching them for smaller 'micro' parties.

If you get stuck, just steer clear or anything to do with the socialism/marxism/leftism.

You forgot the worst 3 nationalism/capitalism/rightism.

Your typing a criticism of capitalism, on a computer/tablet/smart phone that capitalism gave you.

Not the smartest move.

 

[Abraham]

Politics and values…bwhahahahahahahahahahaha

Have you ever voted?

 

[Abraham]

"Find out what your values are and run with that. Except the values that I oppose…"

Yes. And i didn't even try to hide it.

Very perceptive.

However its not about my 'values'. If young swaggy wants to grow old in a stable and prosperous country, he will want to make sure Australia has nothing to do with policies such as marxism and socialism, that have failed everywhere else in the world they have ever been tried.

Someone needs to let him in on the secret, because it sure as hell wont be his pink haired university professors.

 

[happy_tiger]

There is a lot of bad "ism's" in the world at the moment , one of the worst is commercialism

Vote on what you feel most strongly about and then completely rule out the Greens ,Labour and One Nation

You'll be fine then

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

"Find out what your values are and run with that. Except the values that I oppose…"

Yes. And i didn't even try to hide it.

Very perceptive.

However its not about my 'values'. If young swaggy wants to grow old in a stable and prosperous country, he will want to make sure Australia has nothing to do with policies such as marxism and socialism, that have failed everywhere else in the world they have ever been tried.

Someone needs to let him in on the secret, because it sure as hell wont be his pink haired university professors.

It may surprise you Abe but I think we have the right mix of socialist and capitalist philosophies (while I'm fairly left wing on social issues, I am pretty liberal economically also.) We have safety nets like welfare and universal healthcare which ensures the population don't go into hock trying to get conditions treated. We also have the ability to earn a good living in a regulated (admittedly certain industries are over regulated,) economy.

I agree that company tax hinders business, EBA's reward slackers for the fruits of labour of the hard working and unions don't care about the workers as much as some think (they're not completely redundant but they are not this supposed champion of the worker like they are purported to be, I have experienced this first hand.)

Australia is not perfect but I think it is a pretty centrist society which borrows most of the good that either side of the political spectrum has to offer and little of the bad. Fringe left and right wing philosophies are becoming more mainstream and are starting to stink up the centrist nature of Australian politics, largely due to apathy with the poor crop of politicians on both sides of politics of late.

 

[Abraham]

"Find out what your values are and run with that. Except the values that I oppose…"

Yes. And i didn't even try to hide it.

Very perceptive.

However its not about my 'values'. If young swaggy wants to grow old in a stable and prosperous country, he will want to make sure Australia has nothing to do with policies such as marxism and socialism, that have failed everywhere else in the world they have ever been tried.

Someone needs to let him in on the secret, because it sure as hell wont be his pink haired university professors.

It may surprise you Abe but I think we have the right mix of socialist and capitalist philosophies (while I'm fairly left wing on social issues, I am pretty liberal economically also.) We have safety nets like welfare and universal healthcare which ensures the population don't go into hock trying to get conditions treated. We also have the ability to earn a good living in a regulated (admittedly certain industries are over regulated,) economy.

I agree that company tax hinders business, EBA's reward slackers for the fruits of labour of the hard working and unions don't care about the workers as much as some think (they're not completely redundant but they are not this supposed champion of the worker like they are purported to be, I have experienced this first hand.)

Australia is not perfect but I think it is a pretty centrist society which borrows most of the good that either side of the political spectrum has to offer and little of the bad. Fringe left and right wing philosophies are becoming more mainstream and are starting to stink up the centrist nature of Australian politics, largely due to apathy with the poor crop of politicians on both sides of politics of late.

I pretty much agree with most of what you have said.

I would say our social welfare programs are way too generous, and we are gradually moving away from what made us a successful country (as is happening throughout the West in general).

However according the the Left, we are a terrible country with terrible values, and the only way to rectify this is to implement social and political policies that have failed each and every time they have been tried anywhere in the world.

Go figure.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

"Find out what your values are and run with that. Except the values that I oppose…"

Yes. And i didn't even try to hide it.

Very perceptive.

However its not about my 'values'. If young swaggy wants to grow old in a stable and prosperous country, he will want to make sure Australia has nothing to do with policies such as marxism and socialism, that have failed everywhere else in the world they have ever been tried.

Someone needs to let him in on the secret, because it sure as hell wont be his pink haired university professors.

It may surprise you Abe but I think we have the right mix of socialist and capitalist philosophies (while I'm fairly left wing on social issues, I am pretty liberal economically also.) We have safety nets like welfare and universal healthcare which ensures the population don't go into hock trying to get conditions treated. We also have the ability to earn a good living in a regulated (admittedly certain industries are over regulated,) economy.

I agree that company tax hinders business, EBA's reward slackers for the fruits of labour of the hard working and unions don't care about the workers as much as some think (they're not completely redundant but they are not this supposed champion of the worker like they are purported to be, I have experienced this first hand.)

Australia is not perfect but I think it is a pretty centrist society which borrows most of the good that either side of the political spectrum has to offer and little of the bad. Fringe left and right wing philosophies are becoming more mainstream and are starting to stink up the centrist nature of Australian politics, largely due to apathy with the poor crop of politicians on both sides of politics of late.

I pretty much agree with most of what you have said.

I would say our social welfare programs are way too generous, and we are gradually moving away from what made us a successful country (as is happening throughout the West in general).

However according the the Left, we are a terrible country with terrible values, and the only way to rectify this is to implement social and political policies that have failed each and every time they have been tried anywhere in the world.

Go figure.

Depends which left you talk to. Like anything in life the loudest element is generally the smallest. Same as how you generally don't hear from the centre-right and right, but more likely to hear from far-right groups. It's the same thing for mine, they're just as annoying and potentially dangerous as each other as they thrive on marginalising sections of the population.

Welfare could be reined in, but if it means at the expense of those whom truly need it I can cop the waste.

The most dangerous thing in this country is short term policy. No one wants to put their nuts on the line and work for a long term vision. Bi-partisanship and ending race to the bottom politicking needs to occur for this to happen.

 

[jadtiger]

I legally have to vote now. 😢 😢
And i don't know a think about politics even though i did Commerce and Business studies at school.

Politics is about values, not what subjects you did at school.

Find out what your values are, and then try and match them to a politician or party that represents them.

The major parties are all so closely aligned at present its hard to tell them apart, which is why many people are ditching them for smaller 'micro' parties.

If you get stuck, just steer clear or anything to do with the socialism/marxism/leftism.

You forgot the worst 3 nationalism/capitalism/rightism.

Your typing a criticism of capitalism, on a computer/tablet/smart phone that capitalism gave you.

Not the smartest move.

Your defination of capitalism is far removed from mine.We probably have wide variance in divisive subjects like monarchy and organised religion too

 

[Abraham]

Depends which left you talk to. Like anything in life the loudest element is generally the smallest. Same as how you generally don't hear from the centre-right and right, but more likely to hear from far-right groups. It's the same thing for mine, they're just as annoying and potentially dangerous as each other as they thrive on marginalising sections of the population.

Welfare could be reined in, but if it means at the expense of those whom truly need it I can cop the waste.

The most dangerous thing in this country is short term policy. No one wants to put their nuts on the line and work for a long term vision. Bi-partisanship and ending race to the bottom politicking needs to occur for this to happen.

What you're saying used to be true of the left, however in today's world all of the self labelled 'progressive' parties, be it the Dems in the US, Labour in the UK, and Labor here in OZ, are all moving swiftly to be 'left of the left'. Its no longer about trade unions and workers rights, its about social justice and cultural marxism.

The traditional left, of which you probably belong, has been left squarely behind. You're probably considered to be a centrist these days.

Conversely, i don't think there has been the same shift right for the major right wing parties. There will be though.

 

[Abraham]

Politics is about values, not what subjects you did at school.

Find out what your values are, and then try and match them to a politician or party that represents them.

The major parties are all so closely aligned at present its hard to tell them apart, which is why many people are ditching them for smaller 'micro' parties.

If you get stuck, just steer clear or anything to do with the socialism/marxism/leftism.

You forgot the worst 3 nationalism/capitalism/rightism.

Your typing a criticism of capitalism, on a computer/tablet/smart phone that capitalism gave you.

Not the smartest move.

Your defination of capitalism is far removed from mine.We probably have wide variance in divisive subjects like monarchy and organised religion too

You said capitalism is the 'worst'. And then got well and truly pinged for making such a ridiculous comment.

So now its just a 'definition' problem? How convenient.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Depends which left you talk to. Like anything in life the loudest element is generally the smallest. Same as how you generally don't hear from the centre-right and right, but more likely to hear from far-right groups. It's the same thing for mine, they're just as annoying and potentially dangerous as each other as they thrive on marginalising sections of the population.

Welfare could be reined in, but if it means at the expense of those whom truly need it I can cop the waste.

The most dangerous thing in this country is short term policy. No one wants to put their nuts on the line and work for a long term vision. Bi-partisanship and ending race to the bottom politicking needs to occur for this to happen.

What you're saying used to be true of the left, however in today's world all of the self labelled 'progressive' parties, be it the Dems in the US, Labour in the UK, and Labor here in OZ, are all moving swiftly to be 'left of the left'. Its no longer about trade unions and workers rights, its about social justice and cultural marxism.

The traditional left, of which you probably belong, has been left squarely behind. You're probably considered to be a centrist these days.

Conversely, i don't think there has been the same shift right for the major right wing parties. There will be though.

My economic viewpoints probably push me to the centre. Most of the political compasses I do tend to put me in the middle. That and my disregard for unions.

 

[jadtiger]

You forgot the worst 3 nationalism/capitalism/rightism.

Your typing a criticism of capitalism, on a computer/tablet/smart phone that capitalism gave you.

Not the smartest move.

Your defination of capitalism is far removed from mine.We probably have wide variance in divisive subjects like monarchy and organised religion too

You said capitalism is the 'worst'. And then got well and truly pinged for making such a ridiculous comment.

So now its just a 'definition' problem? How convenient.

Oh dear you really do have a closed mind.I added 3 bad things to avoid which you conveniently forgot to put in.Extremism in all forms is a bad thing but like many you only concentrate on the ones you dont like.

 

[Abraham]

Your typing a criticism of capitalism, on a computer/tablet/smart phone that capitalism gave you.

Not the smartest move.

Your defination of capitalism is far removed from mine.We probably have wide variance in divisive subjects like monarchy and organised religion too

You said capitalism is the 'worst'. And then got well and truly pinged for making such a ridiculous comment.

So now its just a 'definition' problem? How convenient.

Oh dear you really do have a closed mind.I added 3 bad things to avoid which you conveniently forgot to put in.Extremism in all forms is a bad thing but like many you only concentrate on the ones you dont like.

Knowing fact from falacy is not being closed minded.

And last i checked there was no extremist capitalists running for election. Unless you have another definitional problem on your hands (could be you just don't know what your talking about though)?

You enjoy the immeasurable benefits of Capitalism every second of your life, but then tell people it is evil. There is a word for people like you … in fact, there are quite a few.

 

[jadtiger]

Your defination of capitalism is far removed from mine.We probably have wide variance in divisive subjects like monarchy and organised religion too

You said capitalism is the 'worst'. And then got well and truly pinged for making such a ridiculous comment.

So now its just a 'definition' problem? How convenient.

Oh dear you really do have a closed mind.I added 3 bad things to avoid which you conveniently forgot to put in.Extremism in all forms is a bad thing but like many you only concentrate on the ones you dont like.

Knowing fact from falacy is not being closed minded.

And last i checked there was no extremist capitalists running for election. Unless you have another definitional problem on your hands (could be you just don't know what your talking about though)?

You enjoy the immeasurable benefits of Capitalism every second of your life, but then tell people it is evil. There is a word for people like you … in fact, there are quite a few.

We will agree to disagree because it is pointless to continue this discussion

 

[Abraham]

You said capitalism is the 'worst'. And then got well and truly pinged for making such a ridiculous comment.

So now its just a 'definition' problem? How convenient.

Oh dear you really do have a closed mind.I added 3 bad things to avoid which you conveniently forgot to put in.Extremism in all forms is a bad thing but like many you only concentrate on the ones you dont like.

Knowing fact from falacy is not being closed minded.

And last i checked there was no extremist capitalists running for election. Unless you have another definitional problem on your hands (could be you just don't know what your talking about though)?

You enjoy the immeasurable benefits of Capitalism every second of your life, but then tell people it is evil. There is a word for people like you … in fact, there are quite a few.

We will agree to disagree because it is pointless to continue this discussion

No actually its not.

Let me help you out, because you seem lost in a self-created world of confusion.

Capitalism has pulled more people out of poverty than any system - ever. It made the 20th century the most technologically advanced in human history. It gave us inventions like motor vehicles, life saving medications, computers, iphones, and every other conceivable luxury that we take for granted without even thinking about.

And you claim this to be on your list of 3 'worst' categories.

So unless i have interrupted your plans to migrate to Venezuela where you can live in a socialist paradise of stray cat meat for dinner, no electricity, and no medicine when you get sick, then i think you need to adjust your 'definitions' to suit reality.