Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Tim Sheens]


Wonder if the "race baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot"s chief adviser has any of his relevant notes in his hand in this photo, and will a few of his party's senators take their oath even half seriously to allow them to be tested?


Democrats made their case to impeach, what dont you like about it?

Nothing major, well little apart from them not being allowed to present the central figures.


Why did they not subpoena them for the House process?

They did issue them and they were refused under direction of the White House and well, with little to no doubt, you already know that and reasonably why they did not further persue them also. So please do not once again start arguing with fellow forumers and temporarily hijack another thread simply for the sake of it.


A few points if that is ok with you.

1. Is this not a "Politics Super Thread"? If so would this not be the place to ...you know.....discuss politics? Is it possible to "hijack" a politics thread by discussing politics? Or is this thread only for discussing politics that you agree with?

2. Im pretty sure you do not know what a subpeona is. They did not issue subpeonas for John Bolton in the house hearings. They requested John Bolton and the Executive branch rejected those requests claiming Executive Privilege. That is when they should have issued a subpeona for him to give testimony because with a subpeona, if it is not acted on then it goes to the Supreme Court who makes a ruling on whether or not the witness has to give testimony. This is the correct process. The Democrats control the House and they should have subpeonaed Bolton for those hearings.

Yep, aware of all that and agree with parts of it, but also the reasoning in not persuing that drawn out line. In what areas do you think the Republicans have been reasonable throughout the process in both houses and do you believe that the withholding that particular round of aid to also be reasonable in such circumstances?

 

[Tiger5150]

Meanwhile on the other side of the world, even a few of a group have lacked the backbone to hear evidence from witnesses, that further to their national agencies' earlier investigation findings that their leader's campaign had a foreign government interfere in his election, would little doubt directly show that he had done so again with another country as well, to further his chances of re-election by harming yet another opponent. That the nation's citizens overwhelmingly wanted witnesses, plus that the Senate leader and one of the loudest voices in Graham could also have been implicated makes it even more disgraceful.

Let me throw a little hypothetical by you. This impeachment process has been very weird. The Democrats are either totally incompetent in screwing this up or their end game was never having Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon removed. They should have subpoenaed Bolton and anyone else that they wanted to hear from (Guiliani as well IMO) in the House, but they chose not to and they chose to rush an unarguable case to the Senate with zero chance of winning.

So....are they incompetent or are they playing another game? What would they stand to gain by rushing a rubbish case through to the Senate?

Making Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon look bad? - Possibly. Although Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon gets off and can point the finger back at the Dems. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has a knack of turning these things to his advantage.

Here is another theory. Who else does it make look bad? The crime that Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is supposed to have committed is to ask Ukraine to investigate allegations of corruption of Joe & Hunter Biden, again supposedly to hurt Biden in the 2020 race. Ukraine got the military aid (late) and did not investigate Biden (by any public record). So the only people that would have known would have been the 4 or 5 people around the call. Instead, the Democrats impeach and in doing so create a stage on which allegations of the Bidens corruption will be broadcast daily, loudy, internationally, keeping news of Biden alleged corruption before Americans eyes and ears right up to the Iowa caucuses. It has effectively ruled Biden out of the race.


Still, by attacking one particular opponent, I think they have opened up the opportunity for the only person that will actually drain that which the ultimate swamp rat and his cohorts have made even murkier over the past few years, to get the endorsement to challenge. Sanders will have to struggle against the Murdoch and other media, plus donations of the rich and corporations that will flood the country with advertising in an attempt to stop the people from voting for him, that will dwarf that of the influence similar had on our own election last year.

I think it is a strange situation where in an 80yo communist, both the DNC & Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon will have exactly who they want running.

 

[Tiger5150]


Wonder if the "race baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot"s chief adviser has any of his relevant notes in his hand in this photo, and will a few of his party's senators take their oath even half seriously to allow them to be tested?


Democrats made their case to impeach, what dont you like about it?

Nothing major, well little apart from them not being allowed to present the central figures.


Why did they not subpoena them for the House process?

They did issue them and they were refused under direction of the White House and well, with little to no doubt, you already know that and reasonably why they did not further persue them also. So please do not once again start arguing with fellow forumers and temporarily hijack another thread simply for the sake of it.


A few points if that is ok with you.

1. Is this not a "Politics Super Thread"? If so would this not be the place to ...you know.....discuss politics? Is it possible to "hijack" a politics thread by discussing politics? Or is this thread only for discussing politics that you agree with?

2. Im pretty sure you do not know what a subpeona is. They did not issue subpeonas for John Bolton in the house hearings. They requested John Bolton and the Executive branch rejected those requests claiming Executive Privilege. That is when they should have issued a subpeona for him to give testimony because with a subpeona, if it is not acted on then it goes to the Supreme Court who makes a ruling on whether or not the witness has to give testimony. This is the correct process. The Democrats control the House and they should have subpeonaed Bolton for those hearings.

Yep, aware of all that and agree with parts of it, but also the reasoning in not persuing that drawn out line. In what areas do you think the Republicans have been reasonable throughout the process in both houses and do you believe that the withholding that particular round of aid to also be reasonable in such circumstances?

We never heard exactly why the aid was withheld. The Democrats said it was to force Ukraine into investigating the Bidens and yet there was no investigation into the Bidens and the aid was still paid. There is no evidence and no explanation from the White House on why the aid was withheld.

Regardless, IF the aid was withheld, conditional on Ukraine investigating allegations of corruption by Joe and Hunter Biden, in what way would that be different from Joe Biden bragging that he withheld $1B in aid unless the Ukraine fired a procesutor (coincidently the prosecutor investigating his sons company)? What would be the difference?
https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-joe-biden-forced-ukraine-to-fire-prosecutor-for-aid-money/C1C51BB8-3988-4070-869F-CAD3CA0E81D8.html

 

[Tim Sheens]

Meanwhile on the other side of the world, even a few of a group have lacked the backbone to hear evidence from witnesses, that further to their national agencies' earlier investigation findings that their leader's campaign had a foreign government interfere in his election, would little doubt directly show that he had done so again with another country as well, to further his chances of re-election by harming yet another opponent. That the nation's citizens overwhelmingly wanted witnesses, plus that the Senate leader and one of the loudest voices in Graham could also have been implicated makes it even more disgraceful.

Let me throw a little hypothetical by you. This impeachment process has been very weird. The Democrats are either totally incompetent in screwing this up or their end game was never having Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon removed. They should have subpoenaed Bolton and anyone else that they wanted to hear from (Guiliani as well IMO) in the House, but they chose not to and they chose to rush an unarguable case to the Senate with zero chance of winning.

So....are they incompetent or are they playing another game? What would they stand to gain by rushing a rubbish case through to the Senate?

Making Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon look bad? - Possibly. Although Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon gets off and can point the finger back at the Dems. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has a knack of turning these things to his advantage.

Here is another theory. Who else does it make look bad? The crime that Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is supposed to have committed is to ask Ukraine to investigate allegations of corruption of Joe & Hunter Biden, again supposedly to hurt Biden in the 2020 race. Ukraine got the military aid (late) and did not investigate Biden (by any public record). So the only people that would have known would have been the 4 or 5 people around the call. Instead, the Democrats impeach and in doing so create a stage on which allegations of the Bidens corruption will be broadcast daily, loudy, internationally, keeping news of Biden alleged corruption before Americans eyes and ears right up to the Iowa caucuses. It has effectively ruled Biden out of the race.


Still, by attacking one particular opponent, I think they have opened up the opportunity for the only person that will actually drain that which the ultimate swamp rat and his cohorts have made even murkier over the past few years, to get the endorsement to challenge. Sanders will have to struggle against the Murdoch and other media, plus donations of the rich and corporations that will flood the country with advertising in an attempt to stop the people from voting for him, that will dwarf that of the influence similar had on our own election last year.

I think it is a strange situation where in an 80yo communist, both the DNC & Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon will have exactly who they want running.

Have considered such hypothetical options as well and whilst not completely discounting some democrats having such thoughts, as a whole and in guiding the process generally, no.

I don't consider the Sanders to be anywhere near a communist, social democrat is a perfect description for mine.

 

[Tiger5150]

Meanwhile on the other side of the world, even a few of a group have lacked the backbone to hear evidence from witnesses, that further to their national agencies' earlier investigation findings that their leader's campaign had a foreign government interfere in his election, would little doubt directly show that he had done so again with another country as well, to further his chances of re-election by harming yet another opponent. That the nation's citizens overwhelmingly wanted witnesses, plus that the Senate leader and one of the loudest voices in Graham could also have been implicated makes it even more disgraceful.

Let me throw a little hypothetical by you. This impeachment process has been very weird. The Democrats are either totally incompetent in screwing this up or their end game was never having Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon removed. They should have subpoenaed Bolton and anyone else that they wanted to hear from (Guiliani as well IMO) in the House, but they chose not to and they chose to rush an unarguable case to the Senate with zero chance of winning.

So....are they incompetent or are they playing another game? What would they stand to gain by rushing a rubbish case through to the Senate?

Making Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon look bad? - Possibly. Although Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon gets off and can point the finger back at the Dems. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has a knack of turning these things to his advantage.

Here is another theory. Who else does it make look bad? The crime that Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is supposed to have committed is to ask Ukraine to investigate allegations of corruption of Joe & Hunter Biden, again supposedly to hurt Biden in the 2020 race. Ukraine got the military aid (late) and did not investigate Biden (by any public record). So the only people that would have known would have been the 4 or 5 people around the call. Instead, the Democrats impeach and in doing so create a stage on which allegations of the Bidens corruption will be broadcast daily, loudy, internationally, keeping news of Biden alleged corruption before Americans eyes and ears right up to the Iowa caucuses. It has effectively ruled Biden out of the race.


Still, by attacking one particular opponent, I think they have opened up the opportunity for the only person that will actually drain that which the ultimate swamp rat and his cohorts have made even murkier over the past few years, to get the endorsement to challenge. Sanders will have to struggle against the Murdoch and other media, plus donations of the rich and corporations that will flood the country with advertising in an attempt to stop the people from voting for him, that will dwarf that of the influence similar had on our own election last year.

I think it is a strange situation where in an 80yo communist, both the DNC & Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon will have exactly who they want running.

Have considered such hypothetical options as well and whilst not completely discounting some democrats having such thoughts, as a whole and in guiding the process generally, no.

So....incompetence then? (genuinely not trolling or antagonising you)

I don't consider the Sanders to be anywhere near a communist, social democrat is a perfect description for mine.

You are entitled to your own description of Bernie. Bernie describes himself as a democratic socialist which is an entirely different beast.

IMO it will be a hard sell to the US to elect an 80yo socialist spruking, open borders, free healthcare for all (without private insurance), waiving college debt.

 

[Tim Sheens]


Wonder if the "race baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot"s chief adviser has any of his relevant notes in his hand in this photo, and will a few of his party's senators take their oath even half seriously to allow them to be tested?


Democrats made their case to impeach, what dont you like about it?

Nothing major, well little apart from them not being allowed to present the central figures.


Why did they not subpoena them for the House process?

They did issue them and they were refused under direction of the White House and well, with little to no doubt, you already know that and reasonably why they did not further persue them also. So please do not once again start arguing with fellow forumers and temporarily hijack another thread simply for the sake of it.


A few points if that is ok with you.

1. Is this not a "Politics Super Thread"? If so would this not be the place to ...you know.....discuss politics? Is it possible to "hijack" a politics thread by discussing politics? Or is this thread only for discussing politics that you agree with?

2. Im pretty sure you do not know what a subpeona is. They did not issue subpeonas for John Bolton in the house hearings. They requested John Bolton and the Executive branch rejected those requests claiming Executive Privilege. That is when they should have issued a subpeona for him to give testimony because with a subpeona, if it is not acted on then it goes to the Supreme Court who makes a ruling on whether or not the witness has to give testimony. This is the correct process. The Democrats control the House and they should have subpeonaed Bolton for those hearings.

Yep, aware of all that and agree with parts of it, but also the reasoning in not persuing that drawn out line. In what areas do you think the Republicans have been reasonable throughout the process in both houses and do you believe that the withholding that particular round of aid to also be reasonable in such circumstances?


We never heard exactly why the aid was withheld. The Democrats said it was to force Ukraine into investigating the Bidens and yet there was no investigation into the Bidens and the aid was still paid. There is no evidence and no explanation from the White House on why the aid was withheld.

Regardless, IF the aid was withheld, conditional on Ukraine investigating allegations of corruption by Joe and Hunter Biden, in what way would that be different from Joe Biden bragging that he withheld $1B in aid unless the Ukraine fired a procesutor (coincidently the prosecutor investigating his sons company)? What would be the difference?
https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-joe-biden-forced-ukraine-to-fire-prosecutor-for-aid-money/C1C51BB8-3988-4070-869F-CAD3CA0E81D8.html

I think it has been made pretty clear why the aid was withheld by evidence presented by government officials and not argued against on an individual payment basis, apart from general corruption, but reforms had long met all departmental requirements and some 45 approved fundings previously fulfilled by this administration over preceding years and nothing had changed.

I don't like the previous potential Biden family involvement as much as anyone, but that previous withholding of funds was supported by the Congress and both parties for genuine and present corruption concerns, not at the behest of an individual and his personal representatives when no such concerns remained. Very different.

 

[Tiger5150]


Wonder if the "race baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot"s chief adviser has any of his relevant notes in his hand in this photo, and will a few of his party's senators take their oath even half seriously to allow them to be tested?


Democrats made their case to impeach, what dont you like about it?

Nothing major, well little apart from them not being allowed to present the central figures.


Why did they not subpoena them for the House process?

They did issue them and they were refused under direction of the White House and well, with little to no doubt, you already know that and reasonably why they did not further persue them also. So please do not once again start arguing with fellow forumers and temporarily hijack another thread simply for the sake of it.


A few points if that is ok with you.

1. Is this not a "Politics Super Thread"? If so would this not be the place to ...you know.....discuss politics? Is it possible to "hijack" a politics thread by discussing politics? Or is this thread only for discussing politics that you agree with?

2. Im pretty sure you do not know what a subpeona is. They did not issue subpeonas for John Bolton in the house hearings. They requested John Bolton and the Executive branch rejected those requests claiming Executive Privilege. That is when they should have issued a subpeona for him to give testimony because with a subpeona, if it is not acted on then it goes to the Supreme Court who makes a ruling on whether or not the witness has to give testimony. This is the correct process. The Democrats control the House and they should have subpeonaed Bolton for those hearings.

Yep, aware of all that and agree with parts of it, but also the reasoning in not persuing that drawn out line. In what areas do you think the Republicans have been reasonable throughout the process in both houses and do you believe that the withholding that particular round of aid to also be reasonable in such circumstances?


We never heard exactly why the aid was withheld. The Democrats said it was to force Ukraine into investigating the Bidens and yet there was no investigation into the Bidens and the aid was still paid. There is no evidence and no explanation from the White House on why the aid was withheld.

Regardless, IF the aid was withheld, conditional on Ukraine investigating allegations of corruption by Joe and Hunter Biden, in what way would that be different from Joe Biden bragging that he withheld $1B in aid unless the Ukraine fired a procesutor (coincidently the prosecutor investigating his sons company)? What would be the difference?
https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-joe-biden-forced-ukraine-to-fire-prosecutor-for-aid-money/C1C51BB8-3988-4070-869F-CAD3CA0E81D8.html

I think it has been made pretty clear why the aid was withheld by evidence presented by government officials and not argued against on an individual payment basis, ***apart from general corruption***, but reforms had long met all departmental requirements and some 45 approved fundings previously fulfilled by this administration over preceding years and nothing had changed.

I don't like the previous potential Biden family involvement as much as anyone, but that previous withholding of funds was supported by the Congress and both parties for genuine and present corruption concerns, not at the behest of an individual and his personal representatives when no such concerns remained. Very different.

I genuinely dont want to get into a detailed debate about this, i really dont have a dog in the fight, Im not a Trumper or a never trumper. Like you stated above under general corruption, in his "perfect" phone call Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon listed a shopping list of things he wanted done and investigated including "the Bidens". It is not a stretch that he wanted all corruption investigated as did Obama & Biden. It is just as reasonable that he wanted Biden investigated over 2016 rather than 2020.

IMO the impeachment was over nothing and a misguided attempt by the Dems to remove Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon that they botched horribly. It will be tested now how it will impact the presidential race

 

[happy_tiger]


Yes and it your fault ..fix it

Whilst the numbers are completely wrong, you can can probably do more than him, as you are closer to one there at happy rock.

Long time ago my late brother used to manage a saw mill ...as a joke me and a mate went out and chained ourselves to a tree with a boom buster playing "rip rip woodchip" by John Williamson

He was nuts at the best of times ...when he started coming down with the chainsaw we cleared out

 

[colinbh]

Big day in politics today, with the Greens deciding on a replacement leader and me, me, me Barnaby trying to wrestle power back his way at his first opportunity.

Meanwhile on the other side of the world, even a few of a group have lacked the backbone to hear evidence from witnesses, that further to their national agencies' earlier investigation findings that their leader's campaign had a foreign government interfere in his election, would little doubt directly show that he had done so again with another country as well, to further his chances of re-election by harming yet another opponent. That the nation's citizens overwhelmingly wanted witnesses, plus that the Senate leader and one of the loudest voices in Graham could also have been implicated makes it even more disgraceful.

Still, by attacking one particular opponent, I think they have opened up the opportunity for the only person that will actually drain that which the ultimate swamp rat and his cohorts have made even murkier over the past few years, to get the endorsement to challenge. Sanders will have to struggle against the Murdoch and other media, plus donations of the rich and corporations that will flood the country with advertising in an attempt to stop the people from voting for him, that will dwarf that of the influence similar had on our own election last year.

I have told you before, get off CNN. You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Nelson]


Yes and it your fault ..fix it

Whilst the numbers are completely wrong, you can can probably do more than him, as you are closer to one there at happy rock.

Long time ago my late brother used to manage a saw mill ...as a joke me and a mate went out and chained ourselves to a tree with a boom buster playing "rip rip woodchip" by John Williamson

He was nuts at the best of times ...when he started coming down with the chainsaw we cleared out

Byron Bay Fan? Is that you?

 

[Tim Sheens]

Big day in politics today, with the Greens deciding on a replacement leader and me, me, me Barnaby trying to wrestle power back his way at his first opportunity.

Meanwhile on the other side of the world, even a few of a group have lacked the backbone to hear evidence from witnesses, that further to their national agencies' earlier investigation findings that their leader's campaign had a foreign government interfere in his election, would little doubt directly show that he had done so again with another country as well, to further his chances of re-election by harming yet another opponent. That the nation's citizens overwhelmingly wanted witnesses, plus that the Senate leader and one of the loudest voices in Graham could also have been implicated makes it even more disgraceful.

Still, by attacking one particular opponent, I think they have opened up the opportunity for the only person that will actually drain that which the ultimate swamp rat and his cohorts have made even murkier over the past few years, to get the endorsement to challenge. Sanders will have to struggle against the Murdoch and other media, plus donations of the rich and corporations that will flood the country with advertising in an attempt to stop the people from voting for him, that will dwarf that of the influence similar had on our own election last year.


I have told you before, get off CNN. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Big day in politics today, with the Greens deciding on a replacement leader and me, me, me Barnaby trying to wrestle power back his way at his first opportunity.

Meanwhile on the other side of the world, even a few of a group have lacked the backbone to hear evidence from witnesses, that further to their national agencies' earlier investigation findings that their leader's campaign had a foreign government interfere in his election, would little doubt directly show that he had done so again with another country as well, to further his chances of re-election by harming yet another opponent. That the nation's citizens overwhelmingly wanted witnesses, plus that the Senate leader and one of the loudest voices in Graham could also have been implicated makes it even more disgraceful.

Still, by attacking one particular opponent, I think they have opened up the opportunity for the only person that will actually drain that which the ultimate swamp rat and his cohorts have made even murkier over the past few years, to get the endorsement to challenge. Sanders will have to struggle against the Murdoch and other media, plus donations of the rich and corporations that will flood the country with advertising in an attempt to stop the people from voting for him, that will dwarf that of the influence similar had on our own election last year.


I have told you before, get off CNN. You have no idea what you are talking about.

In case you did not take notice the other times that I have stated so, I don't watch that station, but I do watch some Sky and Fox news to get the other perspective.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]


I thought you were better than that Geo.

As of July 2019, the Global Coal Plant Tracker shows:

Within the 28 European Union countries, there are 268 coal-fired power plants in operation, with 7 in construction and 8 in pre-construction.
Turkey has 29 plants in operation, with 2 in construction and 31 in preconstruction.
South Africa has 19 plants in operation, with 2 in construction and 5 in preconstruction.
India has 291 plants in operation, with 33 in construction and 41 in preconstruction.
Philippines has 21 plants in operation, with 8 in construction and 19 in preconstruction.
South Korea has 24 plants in operation, with 3 in construction and 1 in preconstruction.
Japan has 83 plants in operation, with 15 in construction and 5 in preconstruction.
China has 1032 plants in operation, with 126 in construction and 76 in preconstruction.
Australia has 20 plants in operation, with 0 in construction and 2 in preconstruction.

https://factcheck.afp.com/these-figures-number-active-coal-fired-power-plants-select-countries-are-inaccurate

 

[Geo]


I thought you were better than that Geo.

As of July 2019, the Global Coal Plant Tracker shows:

Within the 28 European Union countries, there are 268 coal-fired power plants in operation, with 7 in construction and 8 in pre-construction.
Turkey has 29 plants in operation, with 2 in construction and 31 in preconstruction.
South Africa has 19 plants in operation, with 2 in construction and 5 in preconstruction.
India has 291 plants in operation, with 33 in construction and 41 in preconstruction.
Philippines has 21 plants in operation, with 8 in construction and 19 in preconstruction.
South Korea has 24 plants in operation, with 3 in construction and 1 in preconstruction.
Japan has 83 plants in operation, with 15 in construction and 5 in preconstruction.
China has 1032 plants in operation, with 126 in construction and 76 in preconstruction.
Australia has 20 plants in operation, with 0 in construction and 2 in preconstruction.

https://factcheck.afp.com/these-figures-number-active-coal-fired-power-plants-select-countries-are-inaccurate

I though we just wanted to save the World...so shutting down our 20 will do it....?

plus..just thought it was funny..

Nuclear is the way to go for me anyway..we have had that discussion before...

 

[dazza65]


I thought you were better than that Geo.

As of July 2019, the Global Coal Plant Tracker shows:

Within the 28 European Union countries, there are 268 coal-fired power plants in operation, with 7 in construction and 8 in pre-construction.
Turkey has 29 plants in operation, with 2 in construction and 31 in preconstruction.
South Africa has 19 plants in operation, with 2 in construction and 5 in preconstruction.
India has 291 plants in operation, with 33 in construction and 41 in preconstruction.
Philippines has 21 plants in operation, with 8 in construction and 19 in preconstruction.
South Korea has 24 plants in operation, with 3 in construction and 1 in preconstruction.
Japan has 83 plants in operation, with 15 in construction and 5 in preconstruction.
China has 1032 plants in operation, with 126 in construction and 76 in preconstruction.
Australia has 20 plants in operation, with 0 in construction and 2 in preconstruction.

https://factcheck.afp.com/these-figures-number-active-coal-fired-power-plants-select-countries-are-inaccurate

The numbers quoted by Geo's post aren't accurate but IMHO the sentiment is valid - we need to be a PART of the solution but we aren't the solution when the issue is a truly global one. When China,India and the US reduce emissions we all win, regardless of whether Aus does a thing or not to reduce our 1% carbon footprint.
https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/each-countrys-share-co2-emissions

 

[Cultured_Bogan]


I thought you were better than that Geo.

As of July 2019, the Global Coal Plant Tracker shows:

Within the 28 European Union countries, there are 268 coal-fired power plants in operation, with 7 in construction and 8 in pre-construction.
Turkey has 29 plants in operation, with 2 in construction and 31 in preconstruction.
South Africa has 19 plants in operation, with 2 in construction and 5 in preconstruction.
India has 291 plants in operation, with 33 in construction and 41 in preconstruction.
Philippines has 21 plants in operation, with 8 in construction and 19 in preconstruction.
South Korea has 24 plants in operation, with 3 in construction and 1 in preconstruction.
Japan has 83 plants in operation, with 15 in construction and 5 in preconstruction.
China has 1032 plants in operation, with 126 in construction and 76 in preconstruction.
Australia has 20 plants in operation, with 0 in construction and 2 in preconstruction.

https://factcheck.afp.com/these-figures-number-active-coal-fired-power-plants-select-countries-are-inaccurate

I though we just wanted to save the World...so shutting down our 20 will do it....?

plus..just thought it was funny..

Nuclear is the way to go for me anyway..we have had that discussion before...

Nuclear won't happen, it's too late, especially in Australia. I'd like it to but the decision should have been made in the early 90's which was still reeling from Chernobyl.

And yes, that's right that shutting our 20 plants down won't do bugger all in the grand scheme of things in reducing emissions. Graduating away from fossil fuels and returning manufacturing to Australia will also reduce our dependence upon developing nations so they won't open up so many coal fired plants to meet our needs. Might be a good time to be a trendsetter for once and get on the front foot because the coal will run out one day, or the tipping point will be hit and it might be nice to not be caught in the rush to implement post fossil fuel solutions because the cost will be enormous.

Or we could just adopt the "we'll keep doing it because everyone else is" mentality. If everyone else jumps in front of a moving train, would you do it too?

 

[happy_tiger]


Yes and it your fault ..fix it

Whilst the numbers are completely wrong, you can can probably do more than him, as you are closer to one there at happy rock.

Long time ago my late brother used to manage a saw mill ...as a joke me and a mate went out and chained ourselves to a tree with a boom buster playing "rip rip woodchip" by John Williamson

He was nuts at the best of times ...when he started coming down with the chainsaw we cleared out

Byron Bay Fan? Is that you?

lol , no mate ....just thought it was funny at the time ...late 80's ..think we had that "if a tree falls in the forest" song as well

 

[mrem]


I thought you were better than that Geo.

As of July 2019, the Global Coal Plant Tracker shows:

Within the 28 European Union countries, there are 268 coal-fired power plants in operation, with 7 in construction and 8 in pre-construction.
Turkey has 29 plants in operation, with 2 in construction and 31 in preconstruction.
South Africa has 19 plants in operation, with 2 in construction and 5 in preconstruction.
India has 291 plants in operation, with 33 in construction and 41 in preconstruction.
Philippines has 21 plants in operation, with 8 in construction and 19 in preconstruction.
South Korea has 24 plants in operation, with 3 in construction and 1 in preconstruction.
Japan has 83 plants in operation, with 15 in construction and 5 in preconstruction.
China has 1032 plants in operation, with 126 in construction and 76 in preconstruction.
Australia has 20 plants in operation, with 0 in construction and 2 in preconstruction.

https://factcheck.afp.com/these-figures-number-active-coal-fired-power-plants-select-countries-are-inaccurate

I though we just wanted to save the World...so shutting down our 20 will do it....?

plus..just thought it was funny..

Nuclear is the way to go for me anyway..we have had that discussion before...

Nuclear won't happen, it's too late, especially in Australia. I'd like it to but the decision should have been made in the early 90's which was still reeling from Chernobyl.

And yes, that's right that shutting our 20 plants down won't do bugger all in the grand scheme of things in reducing emissions. Graduating away from fossil fuels and returning manufacturing to Australia will also reduce our dependence upon developing nations so they won't open up so many coal fired plants to meet our needs. Might be a good time to be a trendsetter for once and get on the front foot because the coal will run out one day, or the tipping point will be hit and it might be nice to not be caught in the rush to implement post fossil fuel solutions because the cost will be enormous.

Or we could just adopt the "we'll keep doing it because everyone else is" mentality. If everyone else jumps in front of a moving train, would you do it too?

Your last paragraph doesn't hold in this case. This is the point that Geo and others and yourself in your second paragraph are making.

What it really should be is "if everyone else jumps in front of a moving train, whether we want to or not we are jumping in front of it too."

 

[weststigers]

Pelosi ripping up Trumps State of the Union speech....and she calls him a child.

Let the debate begin

 

[GNR4LIFE]

It was a petty thing to do, and she should know better. But it’s not like Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon or his supporters are in a position to take the moral high ground.

 

[colinbh]

What a sad, hateful, unhinged figure she made. But she is typical of her party. It was always going to happen, but she just guaranteed the presidents re-election.