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[cochise]

“I watched the PM apologise to me through the media while his office actively worked to discredit my loved ones.” - Brittany Higgins


Serious but dangerous question. Why is this woman not prosecuting the man that did this to her?

I understand it would be a horrible and traumatic experience, where you are forced to revisit it multiple times, under scrutiny, but with the publicity surrounding this issue now, surely she couldnt be more exposed.

**There are (I think) three other women that this guy is accused of assaulting, this may not have happened if he was prosecuted.**

Without the prosecution, it all starts to look like politicisation of a horrible event.

There were reports a couple of weeks ago that she was going to go to the police and make a formal report. I am unaware if that has happened or not.

There were reports she was going to on 25/02 but no reports that it has happened and the more that is discussed about it daily in public the chances of prosecution diminish.


I really don't like the part of your post that I have bolded, that is placing a level of blame on the victim for future crimes of the perpetrator, that is not right. If these events occurred there is one person to blame and that is the perpetrator and not the victim.

Why is any criminal prosecuted? To punish the criminal and protect the public.

Of course its not the victims fault if the perpetrator commits a crime, it is the perpetrators decision and his fault, however it is a stone cold fact that if the perpetrator was prosecuted he would not have repeated the crimes.

I'm going to be a little more honest than I probably should here, I have been in a similar situation and didn't speak out about it. I had guilt for half my life over future crimes committed and it still effects me to this day. I will stand in support of anyone who is unable to speak out about or prosecute, the shame and guilt that gets placed on the victim in such a crime is unbelievable and immeasurable. No blame should ever be placed on or implied onto the victim over what future actions someone else makes.

The victim has enough to deal without having to deal with people's expectations about what they should do or who they should tell.

 

[Tiger5150]

“I watched the PM apologise to me through the media while his office actively worked to discredit my loved ones.” - Brittany Higgins


Serious but dangerous question. Why is this woman not prosecuting the man that did this to her?

I understand it would be a horrible and traumatic experience, where you are forced to revisit it multiple times, under scrutiny, but with the publicity surrounding this issue now, surely she couldnt be more exposed.

**There are (I think) three other women that this guy is accused of assaulting, this may not have happened if he was prosecuted.**

Without the prosecution, it all starts to look like politicisation of a horrible event.

There were reports a couple of weeks ago that she was going to go to the police and make a formal report. I am unaware if that has happened or not.

There were reports she was going to on 25/02 but no reports that it has happened and the more that is discussed about it daily in public the chances of prosecution diminish.


I really don't like the part of your post that I have bolded, that is placing a level of blame on the victim for future crimes of the perpetrator, that is not right. If these events occurred there is one person to blame and that is the perpetrator and not the victim.

Why is any criminal prosecuted? To punish the criminal and protect the public.

Of course its not the victims fault if the perpetrator commits a crime, it is the perpetrators decision and his fault, however it is a stone cold fact that if the perpetrator was prosecuted he would not have repeated the crimes.

I'm going to be a little more honest than I probably should here, I have been in a similar situation and didn't speak out about it. I had guilt for half my life over future crimes committed and it still effects me to this day. I will stand in support of anyone who is unable to speak out about or prosecute, the shame and guilt that gets placed on the victim in such a crime is unbelievable and immeasurable. No blame should ever be placed on or implied onto the victim over what future actions someone else makes.

Mate Im sorry that you have been throught that, and Im also terribly sorry that Brittany Higgins has been through what she has.

There is no blame from me implicit or explicit on Brittany for the other crimes. I totally understand why someone in her position would not feel comfortable pressing charges however having said that, after the media/public glare has been shone on her (at her doing) and her continued shining a light on herself and the issue (not a bad thing), I now dont understand the reticence to prosecute, it no longer makes sense as the negative implications would be minimal based on what has already come to pass.


The victim has enough to deal without having to deal with people's expectations about what they should do or who they should tell.

Well now she has told the whole world, but not the cops?



I genuinely hope that she pushes for prosecution (as you say there have been reports that she was going to).

 

[Tim Sheens]

I thought that she has at the very least had contact the with relevant authorities in the ACT. As to what has been done statement or interview wise from there, I am unsure.

That the cleaning of "the couch" and the rest of the alleged crime scene was scheduled and then brought forward, also changed the dynamics of the situation and most likely directly removed forensic evidence.

As per my original post of the day, the handling of this and the subsequent unveiling of the Porter issue is damning of Morrison's government. He was informed, just as Bishop, Credlin and Turnbull have confirmed that protocols would have ensured.

I hate being directly lied to by my leader.

 

[TillLindemann]

Geez I am no fan of Trumpy, but a massive howler has just emerged.

I'm sure most of you remember the widely-reported story about Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon calling a Georgia official after the election and pressuring him to 'find votes'. Turns out it didn't happen at all, and was an actual case of 'fake news'. An audio recording of the conversation - that was deleted by the Georgia Secretary of State but later recovered from a trash folder - completely disproves the story.

The Washington Post has quietly retracted its story. Note that this story and its fake quotes were actually used in the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon impeachment brief.

It's an astonishing development in terms of press accountability, but as is often the case in these kinds of things, the retraction gets little attention compared to the original story, so it remains in the public memory as an actual legitimate story.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Geez I am no fan of Trumpy, but a massive howler has just emerged.

I'm sure most of you remember the widely-reported story about Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon calling a Georgia official after the election and pressuring him to 'find votes'. Turns out it didn't happen at all, and was an actual case of 'fake news'. An audio recording of the conversation - that was deleted by the Georgia Secretary of State but later recovered from a trash folder - completely disproves the story.

The Washington Post has quietly retracted its story. Note that this story and its fake quotes were actually used in the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon impeachment brief.

It's an astonishing development in terms of press accountability, but as is often the case in these kinds of things, the retraction gets little attention compared to the original story, so it remains in the public memory as an actual legitimate story.

Have you heard it, as Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's own words in the long conversation that was maybe an hour or so in duration were asking for them to revisit aspects of their count for about a fourth time? My recollection of the listen at the time is that it presented exactly as that and down to the precise number he wanted them to find, being one above that needed to change the result in the state, even if he muddled it up.

I cannot fathom how anyone could have listened to that call and think it was anything other than a request to find a way to overturn the result in the state. Particularly as Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon was told on multiple occasions during that the result had been checked and rechecked, plus it was lawful, fair and accurate, yet he persisted.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Geez I am no fan of Trumpy, but a massive howler has just emerged.

I'm sure most of you remember the widely-reported story about Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon calling a Georgia official after the election and pressuring him to 'find votes'. Turns out it didn't happen at all, and was an actual case of 'fake news'. An audio recording of the conversation - that was deleted by the Georgia Secretary of State but later recovered from a trash folder - completely disproves the story.

The Washington Post has quietly retracted its story. Note that this story and its fake quotes were actually used in the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon impeachment brief.

It's an astonishing development in terms of press accountability, but as is often the case in these kinds of things, the retraction gets little attention compared to the original story, so it remains in the public memory as an actual legitimate story.

It happens. Murdoch media gets away with it on the regular here.

 

[TillLindemann]

yeah maybe it was a bigger deal in my head when I first read it than it actually is. I guess even if a few of the specific quotes are not true, the gist is probably similar.

 

[jadtiger]

In the land of legal stupidity another religous nut job has gone on a shooting rampage with mainly asian victims(8 dead so far).After being captured he stated "I love god and guns".

 

[Tim Sheens]

In the land of legal stupidity another religous nut job has gone on a shooting rampage with mainly asian victims(8 dead so far).After being captured he stated "I love god and guns".

Probably another of those emboldened by the racist rhetoric of citizen Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and on the back of a huge increase in attacks since he started crossing out the correct word a year or so ago and going with stuff like the Kung Flu crap.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Meanwhile at home, we are lead by this poor excuse for a human, let alone a leader.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1372396447748874240

A couple of years on from this;


 

[Yossarian]

Geez I am no fan of Trumpy, but a massive howler has just emerged.

I'm sure most of you remember the widely-reported story about Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon calling a Georgia official after the election and pressuring him to 'find votes'. Turns out it didn't happen at all, and was an actual case of 'fake news'. An audio recording of the conversation - that was deleted by the Georgia Secretary of State but later recovered from a trash folder - completely disproves the story.

The Washington Post has quietly retracted its story. Note that this story and its fake quotes were actually used in the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon impeachment brief.

It's an astonishing development in terms of press accountability, but as is often the case in these kinds of things, the retraction gets little attention compared to the original story, so it remains in the public memory as an actual legitimate story.

There are two phone conversations in question. One with Frances Watson and another with Secretary of State Raffensperger. It is the latter conversation when Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon asked him to find enough votes to overturn the election. As I understand it, there is no suggestion that didn't happen nor is it being corrected.

What the WP has corrected is the conversation transcript between Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and Watson. The original quotes I would categorise as loose paraphrasing rather than flatout wrong.

The WP article is here if anyone wants the facts: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/16/washington-post-correction-Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon-call-georgia-investigator/

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Meanwhile at home, we are lead by this poor excuse for a human, let alone a leader.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1372396447748874240

A couple of years on from this;


I'd never thought I'd say this, but I actually wish that Toned Abs was still our PM than this gutless worm.

I hated what Abbott stood for as a politician, but I would never doubt his dedication to civic duty and by all accounts that I have heard he seems to be a good bloke. He was also far more genuine than ScaMo.

 

[TillLindemann]

Geez I am no fan of Trumpy, but a massive howler has just emerged.

I'm sure most of you remember the widely-reported story about Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon calling a Georgia official after the election and pressuring him to 'find votes'. Turns out it didn't happen at all, and was an actual case of 'fake news'. An audio recording of the conversation - that was deleted by the Georgia Secretary of State but later recovered from a trash folder - completely disproves the story.

The Washington Post has quietly retracted its story. Note that this story and its fake quotes were actually used in the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon impeachment brief.

It's an astonishing development in terms of press accountability, but as is often the case in these kinds of things, the retraction gets little attention compared to the original story, so it remains in the public memory as an actual legitimate story.

There are two phone conversations in question. One with Frances Watson and another with Secretary of State Raffensperger. It is the latter conversation when Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon asked him to find enough votes to overturn the election. As I understand it, there is no suggestion that didn't happen nor is it being corrected.

What the WP has corrected is the conversation transcript between Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and Watson. The original quotes I would categorise as loose paraphrasing rather than flatout wrong.

The WP article is here if anyone wants the facts: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/16/washington-post-correction-Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon-call-georgia-investigator/

Yes my post confused two different conversations and was just generally rubbish.

 

[TillLindemann]

Meanwhile at home, we are lead by this poor excuse for a human, let alone a leader.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1372396447748874240

A couple of years on from this;


I'd never thought I'd say this, but I actually wish that Toned Abs was still our PM than this gutless worm.

I hated what Abbott stood for as a politician, but I would never doubt his dedication to civic duty and by all accounts that I have heard he seems to be a good bloke. He was also far more genuine than ScaMo.

Abbott and his boss Credlin single-handedly poisoned climate/energy policy in Australia for a decade, and the 2014 budget was a disgrace. I think he's the worst PM in recent times.

I might have said Scomo was the worst during the bushfires in 2019/20, but I think our politicians in Australia have done a pretty decent job in the face of covid. I think were Abbott still PM there would have been no covid stimulus, he would probably have gone the other way and made cuts, wanting to distance himself from Rudd and the GFC.

 

[Tiger5150]

Meanwhile at home, we are lead by this poor excuse for a human, let alone a leader.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1372396447748874240

A couple of years on from this;


I'd never thought I'd say this, but I actually wish that Toned Abs was still our PM than this gutless worm.

I hated what Abbott stood for as a politician, but I would never doubt his dedication to civic duty and by all accounts that I have heard he seems to be a good bloke. He was also far more genuine than ScaMo.

Ive had a bit to do with TA and I can say he really is genuinely a good bloke and very upfront and you know where you and he stand. He holds his convictions strongly and is very open about them, there is no equivocation on what he stands for. He was and still would be a poor PM in these times.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Meanwhile at home, we are lead by this poor excuse for a human, let alone a leader.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1372396447748874240

A couple of years on from this;


I'd never thought I'd say this, but I actually wish that Toned Abs was still our PM than this gutless worm.

I hated what Abbott stood for as a politician, but I would never doubt his dedication to civic duty and by all accounts that I have heard he seems to be a good bloke. He was also far more genuine than ScaMo.

Abbott and his boss Credlin single-handedly poisoned climate/energy policy in Australia for a decade, and the 2014 budget was a disgrace. I think he's the worst PM in recent times.

I might have said Scomo was the worst during the bushfires in 2019/20, but I think our politicians in Australia have done a pretty decent job in the face of covid. I think were Abbott still PM there would have been no covid stimulus, he would probably have gone the other way and made cuts, wanting to distance himself from Rudd and the GFC.

Yes, if you read what I said I did say that I virtually stood against everything he advocated for but as a human being I think he's head and shoulders above ScaMo, and let's not forget ScaMo has no real desire to do anything about climate policy either. Abbott "held a hose" for a start, and actually had a firm belief in doing his duty. His views were antiquated but they were bed in belief, he was an old school conservative. ScaMo is a lecherous thug masquerading as a knockabout dinky di Aussie who only cares about his prosperity faith and when it actually comes to leading and actually showing a semblance of being an empath he slinks back to his wife or his 200K empathy counsellors that we footed the bill for. The man that fell over the line.

He will go do down as one of our worst statesmen and Prime Minister's and rightfully so. Hope the ALP absolutely give this knob a hiding on debt leading up to the next election. At least when the ALP put the nation into debt they avoided a recession.

 

[mike]

Meanwhile at home, we are lead by this poor excuse for a human, let alone a leader.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1372396447748874240

A couple of years on from this;


I'd never thought I'd say this, but I actually wish that Toned Abs was still our PM than this gutless worm.

I hated what Abbott stood for as a politician, but I would never doubt his dedication to civic duty and by all accounts that I have heard he seems to be a good bloke. He was also far more genuine than ScaMo.


Ive had a bit to do with TA and I can say he really is genuinely a good bloke and very upfront and you know where you and he stand. He holds his convictions strongly and is very open about them, there is no equivocation on what he stands for. He was and still would be a poor PM in these times.

That’s his problem, his conviction, very hard to reason with.

 

[TillLindemann]

give this knob a hiding on debt leading up to the next election.

Yes the campaigning on 'the debt and deficit disaster' in 2013 has been followed by non-stop growth in debt ever since.

 

[Tiger5150]

I think Critical Race Theory is about to eat itself.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/we-cannot-be-complicit-biden-condemns-attacks-on-asian-americans-20210320-p57chi.html