Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Nelson]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1


Have you actually read those documents?

I have been totally respectful of the woman making the allegations ans she deserves this, however now these documents have been released publicly and those details are out in the open, they are subject to scrutiny.

This woman had ***serious*** mental health issues as outlined in the documents with frequent hospitalisations. Her parents and family did not believe the allegations and specifically made ABC remove them from the four Corners programme.

To this point I am still of the opinion that having serious mental health issues doesnt preclude someone from being raped and in fact such a serious incident may be enough to trigger mental health issues, I think that is totally plausible. Its also obviously possible that her family w ere wrong in their belief that the allegations were false.

But then I get to page 4 of the womans statement about the rape in which she states the rape happened in 1988, but she hadnt realised that she had been raped until 2019 after seeing a psychologist and reading a book which unlocked "somatic memories" that werent stored in her brain but in her body. Despite the fact that these memories were not in her brain and werent known to her for 31 years until the psychologist unlocked them, she can now remember word for word whole phrases.

I really feel for this woman, her life was clearly not easy and it is a tragedy that she took her own life but my god this is not a clear situation and Christian Porters life will be irrevokably connected to these allegations.

Looks more like a case of implanted memories by the psychologist. Very easy to do.


In a case so tragic, Im pretty loathed to make any presumptions, but at best it is very clear that this is not a straightforward case with claims that are not only "he said/she said" but "he said/she remembered 31 years later". Im not a lawyer but it actually seems very clear to me why it wasnt pursued. I'm nnot going to detail but there are claims in her statement that she "remembered 31 years later" that Im pretty sure arent physically possible.

You appear to have missed the part where she said, "I have always remembered these things". That and the fact that she made complaint to her then-boyfriend in 1989. Plus the diary entries, some of which (if the originals could be obtained) could be dated.


you have missed the part where she explained that "I have always remembered these things" but goes on to explain that it was remembered in her body and not her brain and that the psychologist explained that they are "somatic memories". Its written pretty clearly.

No, I didn't miss it at all. I'm quite familiar with reading statements of that kind. She explicitly says that she has always remembered these things. She is not saying that it was remembered in her body, she is giving an explanation of what was told to her by psychologist and psychiatrist and what she has read on the subject.

 

[Nelson]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1


Have you actually read those documents?

I have been totally respectful of the woman making the allegations ans she deserves this, however now these documents have been released publicly and those details are out in the open, they are subject to scrutiny.

This woman had ***serious*** mental health issues as outlined in the documents with frequent hospitalisations. Her parents and family did not believe the allegations and specifically made ABC remove them from the four Corners programme.

To this point I am still of the opinion that having serious mental health issues doesnt preclude someone from being raped and in fact such a serious incident may be enough to trigger mental health issues, I think that is totally plausible. Its also obviously possible that her family w ere wrong in their belief that the allegations were false.

But then I get to page 4 of the womans statement about the rape in which she states the rape happened in 1988, but she hadnt realised that she had been raped until 2019 after seeing a psychologist and reading a book which unlocked "somatic memories" that werent stored in her brain but in her body. Despite the fact that these memories were not in her brain and werent known to her for 31 years until the psychologist unlocked them, she can now remember word for word whole phrases.

I really feel for this woman, her life was clearly not easy and it is a tragedy that she took her own life but my god this is not a clear situation and Christian Porters life will be irrevokably connected to these allegations.

Looks more like a case of implanted memories by the psychologist. Very easy to do.


In a case so tragic, Im pretty loathed to make any presumptions, but at best it is very clear that this is not a straightforward case with claims that are not only "he said/she said" but "he said/she remembered 31 years later". Im not a lawyer but it actually seems very clear to me why it wasnt pursued. I'm nnot going to detail but there are claims in her statement that she "remembered 31 years later" that Im pretty sure arent physically possible.

You appear to have missed the part where she said, "I have always remembered these things". That and the fact that she made complaint to her then-boyfriend in 1989. Plus the diary entries, some of which (if the originals could be obtained) could be dated.


The "diary entries" are included in the statement. None of them are incriminating other than she didnt like him.

Go back and read page 17 of the 31 page document. I know nothing of the authenticity of the entries (obviously) but that would clearly be incriminating if it were able to be dated to circa February 1989.

 

[Tiger5150]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1


Have you actually read those documents?

I have been totally respectful of the woman making the allegations ans she deserves this, however now these documents have been released publicly and those details are out in the open, they are subject to scrutiny.

This woman had ***serious*** mental health issues as outlined in the documents with frequent hospitalisations. Her parents and family did not believe the allegations and specifically made ABC remove them from the four Corners programme.

To this point I am still of the opinion that having serious mental health issues doesnt preclude someone from being raped and in fact such a serious incident may be enough to trigger mental health issues, I think that is totally plausible. Its also obviously possible that her family w ere wrong in their belief that the allegations were false.

But then I get to page 4 of the womans statement about the rape in which she states the rape happened in 1988, but she hadnt realised that she had been raped until 2019 after seeing a psychologist and reading a book which unlocked "somatic memories" that werent stored in her brain but in her body. Despite the fact that these memories were not in her brain and werent known to her for 31 years until the psychologist unlocked them, she can now remember word for word whole phrases.

I really feel for this woman, her life was clearly not easy and it is a tragedy that she took her own life but my god this is not a clear situation and Christian Porters life will be irrevokably connected to these allegations.

Looks more like a case of implanted memories by the psychologist. Very easy to do.


In a case so tragic, Im pretty loathed to make any presumptions, but at best it is very clear that this is not a straightforward case with claims that are not only "he said/she said" but "he said/she remembered 31 years later". Im not a lawyer but it actually seems very clear to me why it wasnt pursued. I'm nnot going to detail but there are claims in her statement that she "remembered 31 years later" that Im pretty sure arent physically possible.

You appear to have missed the part where she said, "I have always remembered these things". That and the fact that she made complaint to her then-boyfriend in 1989. Plus the diary entries, some of which (if the originals could be obtained) could be dated.


you have missed the part where she explained that "I have always remembered these things" but goes on to explain that it was remembered in her body and not her brain and that the psychologist explained that they are "somatic memories". Its written pretty clearly.

No, I didn't miss it at all. I'm quite familiar with reading statements of that kind. She explicitly says that she has always remembered these things. She is not saying that it was remembered in her body, she is giving an explanation of what was told to her by psychologist and psychiatrist and what she has read on the subject.

Mate either you did miss it, or you are intentionally twisting it for your own reasons. She says in her own words "I have always remembered these things......My Adelaide based psychiatrist Tony Davis confirmed that these are somatic memories (ie lodged in the body rather than the brain, although the mind can access them) in an appointment in late 2019". These are her own words and not sure how or why you would try to twist them.

She does say "I have always remembered these things" and then immediately spends 7 lines explaining that the way she remembers them is in her body and that a psychologist and a psychiatrist enabled her to understand what these memories are in 2019.

 

[Tiger5150]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1


Have you actually read those documents?

I have been totally respectful of the woman making the allegations ans she deserves this, however now these documents have been released publicly and those details are out in the open, they are subject to scrutiny.

This woman had ***serious*** mental health issues as outlined in the documents with frequent hospitalisations. Her parents and family did not believe the allegations and specifically made ABC remove them from the four Corners programme.

To this point I am still of the opinion that having serious mental health issues doesnt preclude someone from being raped and in fact such a serious incident may be enough to trigger mental health issues, I think that is totally plausible. Its also obviously possible that her family w ere wrong in their belief that the allegations were false.

But then I get to page 4 of the womans statement about the rape in which she states the rape happened in 1988, but she hadnt realised that she had been raped until 2019 after seeing a psychologist and reading a book which unlocked "somatic memories" that werent stored in her brain but in her body. Despite the fact that these memories were not in her brain and werent known to her for 31 years until the psychologist unlocked them, she can now remember word for word whole phrases.

I really feel for this woman, her life was clearly not easy and it is a tragedy that she took her own life but my god this is not a clear situation and Christian Porters life will be irrevokably connected to these allegations.

Looks more like a case of implanted memories by the psychologist. Very easy to do.


In a case so tragic, Im pretty loathed to make any presumptions, but at best it is very clear that this is not a straightforward case with claims that are not only "he said/she said" but "he said/she remembered 31 years later". Im not a lawyer but it actually seems very clear to me why it wasnt pursued. I'm nnot going to detail but there are claims in her statement that she "remembered 31 years later" that Im pretty sure arent physically possible.

You appear to have missed the part where she said, "I have always remembered these things". That and the fact that she made complaint to her then-boyfriend in 1989. Plus the diary entries, some of which (if the originals could be obtained) could be dated.


The "diary entries" are included in the statement. None of them are incriminating other than she didnt like him.

Go back and read page 17 of the 31 page document. I know nothing of the authenticity of the entries (obviously) but that would clearly be incriminating if it were able to be dated to circa February 1989.

That info if corroborated and proved would be incriminating I agree and I have no idea of the authenticity of it or not. I find it unusual that there are photos of all of the other non or less incriminating entries but not that one and I also dont know the meaning of "transcribed" whether that means someone has seen it and transcribed it or it is being transcribed to them.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1


Have you actually read those documents?

I have been totally respectful of the woman making the allegations ans she deserves this, however now these documents have been released publicly and those details are out in the open, they are subject to scrutiny.

This woman had ***serious*** mental health issues as outlined in the documents with frequent hospitalisations. Her parents and family did not believe the allegations and specifically made ABC remove them from the four Corners programme.

To this point I am still of the opinion that having serious mental health issues doesnt preclude someone from being raped and in fact such a serious incident may be enough to trigger mental health issues, I think that is totally plausible. Its also obviously possible that her family w ere wrong in their belief that the allegations were false.

But then I get to page 4 of the womans statement about the rape in which she states the rape happened in 1988, but she hadnt realised that she had been raped until 2019 after seeing a psychologist and reading a book which unlocked "somatic memories" that werent stored in her brain but in her body. Despite the fact that these memories were not in her brain and werent known to her for 31 years until the psychologist unlocked them, she can now remember word for word whole phrases.

I really feel for this woman, her life was clearly not easy and it is a tragedy that she took her own life but my god this is not a clear situation and Christian Porters life will be irrevokably connected to these allegations.

Not fully as yet, though have been through most of it and much written elsewhere.

Troubled mind, no doubt, but from pretty well all accounts it dates back to that time.

Without going through individual statements and denials, from watching them, I trust Porter as little as I did the WT Traitor during in his 2018 statement and less than that which I hear from Ben Roberts-Smith's mouth.

 

[Tiger5150]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1


Have you actually read those documents?

I have been totally respectful of the woman making the allegations ans she deserves this, however now these documents have been released publicly and those details are out in the open, they are subject to scrutiny.

This woman had ***serious*** mental health issues as outlined in the documents with frequent hospitalisations. Her parents and family did not believe the allegations and specifically made ABC remove them from the four Corners programme.

To this point I am still of the opinion that having serious mental health issues doesnt preclude someone from being raped and in fact such a serious incident may be enough to trigger mental health issues, I think that is totally plausible. Its also obviously possible that her family w ere wrong in their belief that the allegations were false.

But then I get to page 4 of the womans statement about the rape in which she states the rape happened in 1988, but she hadnt realised that she had been raped until 2019 after seeing a psychologist and reading a book which unlocked "somatic memories" that werent stored in her brain but in her body. Despite the fact that these memories were not in her brain and werent known to her for 31 years until the psychologist unlocked them, she can now remember word for word whole phrases.

I really feel for this woman, her life was clearly not easy and it is a tragedy that she took her own life but my god this is not a clear situation and Christian Porters life will be irrevokably connected to these allegations.

Not fully as yet, though have been through most of it and much written elsewhere.

Troubled mind, no doubt, but from pretty well all accounts it dates back to that time.

Without going through individual statements and denials, from watching them, I trust Porter as little as I did the WT Traitor during in his 2018 statement and less than that which I hear from Ben Roberts-Smith's mouth.

Thats fine, and you are never cagey about your political preferences.

I actually have zero preconception about Porter prior to this blowing up and since I have actually tried to maintain a balance of caring about what has happened to this poor woman whilst the old presumption of innocence thing for Porter.

Having read the full document, my opinion has shifted. To me now it is clear why her parents did not believe her and forced the ABC to remove the rape claims from the Four Corners report and it is also clear to me why it has never progressed to an investigation since 2019.That is not to say that I know for a fact what happened, no one alive other than Porter does.

The horrible single fact is that this poor woman took her own life and something is to blame for it. Could simply be the mental illness, could be Porter, could equally be the psychologist and psychiatrist.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1


Have you actually read those documents?

I have been totally respectful of the woman making the allegations ans she deserves this, however now these documents have been released publicly and those details are out in the open, they are subject to scrutiny.

This woman had ***serious*** mental health issues as outlined in the documents with frequent hospitalisations. Her parents and family did not believe the allegations and specifically made ABC remove them from the four Corners programme.

To this point I am still of the opinion that having serious mental health issues doesnt preclude someone from being raped and in fact such a serious incident may be enough to trigger mental health issues, I think that is totally plausible. Its also obviously possible that her family w ere wrong in their belief that the allegations were false.

But then I get to page 4 of the womans statement about the rape in which she states the rape happened in 1988, but she hadnt realised that she had been raped until 2019 after seeing a psychologist and reading a book which unlocked "somatic memories" that werent stored in her brain but in her body. Despite the fact that these memories were not in her brain and werent known to her for 31 years until the psychologist unlocked them, she can now remember word for word whole phrases.

I really feel for this woman, her life was clearly not easy and it is a tragedy that she took her own life but my god this is not a clear situation and Christian Porters life will be irrevokably connected to these allegations.

Not fully as yet, though have been through most of it and much written elsewhere.

Troubled mind, no doubt, but from pretty well all accounts it dates back to that time.

Without going through individual statements and denials, from watching them, I trust Porter as little as I did the WT Traitor during in his 2018 statement and less than that which I hear from Ben Roberts-Smith's mouth.


Thats fine, and you are never cagey about your political preferences.

I actually have zero preconception about Porter prior to this blowing up and since I have actually tried to maintain a balance of caring about what has happened to this poor woman whilst the old presumption of innocence thing for Porter.

Having read the full document, my opinion has shifted. To me now it is clear why her parents did not believe her and forced the ABC to remove the rape claims from the Four Corners report and it is also clear to me why it has never progressed to an investigation since 2019.That is not to say that I know for a fact what happened, no one alive other than Porter does.

The horrible single fact is that this poor woman took her own life and something is to blame for it. Could simply be the mental illness, could be Porter, could equally be the psychologist and psychiatrist.

I am for accountability for all politicians and there has been virtually zero by federal ministers here since late 2013.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1


Have you actually read those documents?

I have been totally respectful of the woman making the allegations ans she deserves this, however now these documents have been released publicly and those details are out in the open, they are subject to scrutiny.

This woman had ***serious*** mental health issues as outlined in the documents with frequent hospitalisations. Her parents and family did not believe the allegations and specifically made ABC remove them from the four Corners programme.

To this point I am still of the opinion that having serious mental health issues doesnt preclude someone from being raped and in fact such a serious incident may be enough to trigger mental health issues, I think that is totally plausible. Its also obviously possible that her family w ere wrong in their belief that the allegations were false.

But then I get to page 4 of the womans statement about the rape in which she states the rape happened in 1988, but she hadnt realised that she had been raped until 2019 after seeing a psychologist and reading a book which unlocked "somatic memories" that werent stored in her brain but in her body. Despite the fact that these memories were not in her brain and werent known to her for 31 years until the psychologist unlocked them, she can now remember word for word whole phrases.

I really feel for this woman, her life was clearly not easy and it is a tragedy that she took her own life but my god this is not a clear situation and Christian Porters life will be irrevokably connected to these allegations.

Not fully as yet, though have been through most of it and much written elsewhere.

Troubled mind, no doubt, but from pretty well all accounts it dates back to that time.

Without going through individual statements and denials, from watching them, I trust Porter as little as I did the WT Traitor during in his 2018 statement and less than that which I hear from Ben Roberts-Smith's mouth.


Thats fine, and you are never cagey about your political preferences.

I actually have zero preconception about Porter prior to this blowing up and since I have actually tried to maintain a balance of caring about what has happened to this poor woman whilst the old presumption of innocence thing for Porter.

Having read the full document, my opinion has shifted. To me now it is clear why her parents did not believe her and forced the ABC to remove the rape claims from the Four Corners report and it is also clear to me why it has never progressed to an investigation since 2019.That is not to say that I know for a fact what happened, no one alive other than Porter does.

The horrible single fact is that this poor woman took her own life and something is to blame for it. Could simply be the mental illness, could be Porter, could equally be the psychologist and psychiatrist.

I am for accountability for all politicians and there has been virtually zero by federal ministers here since late 2013.

So the scapegoat for Scotty's sports rorts in Bridget McKenzie is returning to the ministry, so will officially be no long term consequences for any of them.

 

[Tim Sheens]

So yet another abuse of taxpayer monies and we need not wonder why it is nearly a thousand days since a supposed corruption commission was announced and yet no monies were allowed for it in the budget.

Per the writer below; **The Auditor-General has delivered a scathing report over the Morrison government’s $660m Commuter Car Park Projects fund, finding almost 90 per cent of the projects were in targeted or Coalition-held seats and none were chosen by the department.**

Yes, you read correctly, not a single one was chosen by the department. They likely still have plenty of bulging pork barrels at the ready to mirror the last election's spending biases and with chief distributor McKenzie back on the ministry, plus no real investigation into the PM's office, together with Laming who also should not be there, they will be ready to roll out more.


 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Remember when receiving a three thousand dollar of piss was enough to roll a pollie?

 

[jadtiger]

Remember when receiving a three thousand dollar of piss was enough to roll a pollie?

If it was at the federal level of the LNP nothing would have happened

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Remember when receiving a three thousand dollar of piss was enough to roll a pollie?


If it was at the federal level of the LNP nothing would have happened

It wouldn't at state level now either.

 

[Tiger5150]

The US (cold) Civil War has begun.....

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2021/06/28/california-bans-state-funded-travel-to-florida-4-other-red-states-1387264

My bet is Ron DeSantis becomes the GOP Presidential candidate in 2024 and I think he could surprise Biden (or Kamala)

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The US (cold) Civil War has begun.....

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2021/06/28/california-bans-state-funded-travel-to-florida-4-other-red-states-1387264

My bet is Ron DeSantis becomes the GOP Presidential candidate in 2024 and I think he could surprise Biden (or Kamala)

Biden won't care, he won't be going around again.

 

[Tiger5150]

The US (cold) Civil War has begun.....

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2021/06/28/california-bans-state-funded-travel-to-florida-4-other-red-states-1387264

My bet is Ron DeSantis becomes the GOP Presidential candidate in 2024 and I think he could surprise Biden (or Kamala)

Biden won't care, he won't be going around again.

I wouldnt be surprised if he doesnt make it that far.

 

[TillLindemann]

The NSA Tucker Carlson story should be a way bigger story than it is.

 

[Tiger5150]

The NSA Tucker Carlson story should be a way bigger story than it is.

If he had any sort of corroborating evidence to back it up it might be.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

The NSA Tucker Carlson story should be a way bigger story than it is.


If he had any sort of corroborating evidence to back it up it might be.

Like when he promised to have exclusive evidence on Hunter’s laptop which got “lost” in the mail ?

 

[TillLindemann]

The NSA Tucker Carlson story should be a way bigger story than it is.


If he had any sort of corroborating evidence to back it up it might be.

NSA whistleblowers tend to not have happy lives after they leak information.

The sole reason the story is being ignored (or joked about, doubted etc) is because he is a politically divisive figure. And we live in such partisan times that very few people who dislike Carlson politically would care about the story (and vice versa if it was his equivalent on the left).

The story is absolutely credible and not surprising in the least, given what we know about what the NSA gets up to, via courageous people like Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, William Binney etc.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The NSA Tucker Carlson story should be a way bigger story than it is.


If he had any sort of corroborating evidence to back it up it might be.

NSA whistleblowers tend to not have happy lives after they leak information.

The sole reason the story is being ignored (or joked about, doubted etc) is because he is a politically divisive figure. And we live in such partisan times that very few people who dislike Carlson politically would care about the story (and vice versa if it was his equivalent on the left).

The story is absolutely credible and not surprising in the least, given what we know about what the NSA gets up to, via courageous people like Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, William Binney etc.

Sources?