Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Tiger5150]

Democracy is a farce. When you understand this it all makes sense. Don't ever expect positive changes to occur under this system.

“Democracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried.” - Winston Churchill

He should have just kept it at the first part - ofc he had to say that. He was fighting against dictators

No worries, so which form of Government has been tried and shown to be better?

 

[DGilly]

Democracy is a farce. When you understand this it all makes sense. Don't ever expect positive changes to occur under this system.

“Democracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried.” - Winston Churchill

He should have just kept it at the first part - ofc he had to say that. He was fighting against dictators

No worries, so which form of Government has been tried and shown to be better?

Monarchy, lasted thousands of years. I know you'll come at me telling me all monarchies were tyrannical. This is nonsense, read actual history, most were loved by their people and there is a reason they lasted so long - because their incentive structure is much more linked to the average person compared to the "democratically" elected representatives

N.b. not trying to be hostile, I just cop it a lot for having this position

 

[dazza65]

News at 11 : Australian Politicians lie! Who'd have thought it.
: French Politicians don't lie and can say whatever they want ,whenever they want, with no repercussions and if you do they act the victim.
: All former PM's of both political persuasions should have their lips stitched up or loose their golden tickets in retirement.

End of rant.

 

[happy_tiger]

Not blaming Scomo for lying ...but the French wouldn't be letting us walk away if we couldn't contract wise .......

Would they ??

they still apparently have the option to call us bad things in front of our friends.....

Les Bastards ...Bon debarras ....

Zoot allures!

C'est ce que C'est .....Moi aussi , je t'aime Woodsy ....

 

[bathursttiger1]

Macron was correct in saying Scammo is a liar,most Australians know it even including many who are liberal voters.I am sure his puppet master/owner in the USA (Murdoch) will come out in full support of Scammo and his government and continue the process of misinformation and lies his media is known for.

But was it a good idea, best for Australia?

Yes it was
even the staunch Labor supporters should realise labor would have done the same thing
it was a dud deal worked out by turnbull and Pine,

I'm a Labor supporter and i agree it was a better outcome for Australia, however that doesn't exonerate Morrison. He was called out for lying and from what has transpired in the last few days it seems pretty plausible that he did.

Have you been asleep for the last few days, Morrison should not have disclosed the private txt message from Macron but it shows the Macron looks like the one that’s been caught telling porkies.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I’m not sure if this is political, but its pretty close. Apparently a large group of Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporters/QAnon members gathered in Dealey Plaza, the site where JFK was assassinated, because they believed….wait for it…..That JFK jr, a man that’s been dead for over 20 years, was going to appear and make an announcement that he was running in 2024. Apparently someone from a prominent Democrat family announcing they would run as a Republican would be the ultimate way to own the libs. Other celebrities rumoured fo show up were Robin Williams, Kobe Bryant and Tupac. Spoiler, they didn’t turn up, but apparently word is they are now showing up at the Rolling Stones concert that is Dallas today. You probably think I’m kidding…

https://www.thedailybeast.com/qanon-crowd-super-bummed-that-jfk-jr-did-not-appear-in-dallas

 

[Oggyz]

I’m not sure if this is political, but its pretty close. Apparently a large group of Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporters/QAnon members gathered in Dealey Plaza, the site where JFK was assassinated, because they believed….wait for it…..That JFK jr, a man that’s been dead for over 20 years, was going to appear and make an announcement that he was running in 2024. Apparently someone from a prominent Democrat family announcing they would run as a Republican would be the ultimate way to own the libs. Other celebrities rumoured fo show up were Robin Williams, Kobe Bryant and Tupac. Spoiler, they didn’t turn up, but apparently word is they are now showing up at the Rolling Stones concert that is Dallas today. You probably think I’m kidding…

https://www.thedailybeast.com/qanon-crowd-super-bummed-that-jfk-jr-did-not-appear-in-dallas

That’s terrifying

 

[mike]

Macron was correct in saying Scammo is a liar,most Australians know it even including many who are liberal voters.I am sure his puppet master/owner in the USA (Murdoch) will come out in full support of Scammo and his government and continue the process of misinformation and lies his media is known for.

But was it a good idea, best for Australia?

Yes it was
even the staunch Labor supporters should realise labor would have done the same thing
it was a dud deal worked out by turnbull and Pine,

I'm a Labor supporter and i agree it was a better outcome for Australia, however that doesn't exonerate Morrison. He was called out for lying and from what has transpired in the last few days it seems pretty plausible that he did.


Have you been asleep for the last few days, Morrison should not have disclosed the private txt message from Macron but it shows the Macron looks like the one that’s been caught telling porkies.

Morrison has proven that he cannot be trusted, by anyone.

 

[bathursttiger1]

Macron was correct in saying Scammo is a liar,most Australians know it even including many who are liberal voters.I am sure his puppet master/owner in the USA (Murdoch) will come out in full support of Scammo and his government and continue the process of misinformation and lies his media is known for.

But was it a good idea, best for Australia?

Yes it was
even the staunch Labor supporters should realise labor would have done the same thing
it was a dud deal worked out by turnbull and Pine,

I'm a Labor supporter and i agree it was a better outcome for Australia, however that doesn't exonerate Morrison. He was called out for lying and from what has transpired in the last few days it seems pretty plausible that he did.


Have you been asleep for the last few days, Morrison should not have disclosed the private txt message from Macron but it shows the Macron looks like the one that’s been caught telling porkies.

Morrison has proven that he cannot be trusted, by anyone.

I don't think Macron is that trustworthy elither.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

News at 11 : Australian Politicians lie! Who'd have thought it.
: French Politicians don't lie and can say whatever they want ,whenever they want, with no repercussions and if you do they act the victim.
: All former PM's of both political persuasions should have their lips stitched up or loose their golden tickets in retirement.

End of rant.

Exactly
Turnbull say nothing
Rudd say nothing
Abbott re Taiwan was dumb too
Julia Gillard doesn't get involved in all the rubbish

Turnbull is dirty with Morrison but he was really a Labor man like his dad living at Point piper hence Richo said no thanks too
Rudd well he just wants a seat at the UN its all about Kevin

The French well if you challenge them then you are wrong, as some have said the contract can obviously be broken and this was exercised by Australia.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Macron was correct in saying Scammo is a liar,most Australians know it even including many who are liberal voters.I am sure his puppet master/owner in the USA (Murdoch) will come out in full support of Scammo and his government and continue the process of misinformation and lies his media is known for.

But was it a good idea, best for Australia?

Yes it was
even the staunch Labor supporters should realise labor would have done the same thing
it was a dud deal worked out by turnbull and Pine,

I'm a Labor supporter and i agree it was a better outcome for Australia, however that doesn't exonerate Morrison. He was called out for lying and from what has transpired in the last few days it seems pretty plausible that he did.

I think what has transpired in the last few days proves he didnt. You can be angry with Scomo for lying, or leaking confidential documents, but not both.

Plenty of Eachway Albo's out there that want to have a go at Morrison for breaking the French deal and also leaking the documents that show the sms to Macron
Can't have both guys be angry at one or the other

 

[Tiger5150]

News at 11 : Australian Politicians lie! Who'd have thought it.
: French Politicians don't lie and can say whatever they want ,whenever they want, with no repercussions and if you do they act the victim.
: All former PM's of both political persuasions should have their lips stitched up or loose their golden tickets in retirement.

End of rant.

Exactly
Turnbull say nothing
Rudd say nothing
Abbott re Taiwan was dumb too
Julia Gillard doesn't get involved in all the rubbish

Turnbull is dirty with Morrison but he was really a Labor man like his dad living at Point piper hence Richo said no thanks too
Rudd well he just wants a seat at the UN its all about Kevin

The French well if you challenge them then you are wrong, as some have said the contract can obviously be broken and this was exercised by Australia.

Missed a great opportunity with Julie Bishop

 

[Tiger5150]

Macron was correct in saying Scammo is a liar,most Australians know it even including many who are liberal voters.I am sure his puppet master/owner in the USA (Murdoch) will come out in full support of Scammo and his government and continue the process of misinformation and lies his media is known for.

But was it a good idea, best for Australia?

Yes it was
even the staunch Labor supporters should realise labor would have done the same thing
it was a dud deal worked out by turnbull and Pine,

I'm a Labor supporter and i agree it was a better outcome for Australia, however that doesn't exonerate Morrison. He was called out for lying and from what has transpired in the last few days it seems pretty plausible that he did.

I think what has transpired in the last few days proves he didnt. You can be angry with Scomo for lying, or leaking confidential documents, but not both.

Plenty of Eachway Albo's out there that want to have a go at Morrison for breaking the French deal and also leaking the documents that show the sms to Macron
Can't have both guys be angry at one or the other

I havent seen anyone have a go at him for breaking the French deal, some here were upset that Morrison lied to him

 

[mike]

Macron was correct in saying Scammo is a liar,most Australians know it even including many who are liberal voters.I am sure his puppet master/owner in the USA (Murdoch) will come out in full support of Scammo and his government and continue the process of misinformation and lies his media is known for.

But was it a good idea, best for Australia?

Yes it was
even the staunch Labor supporters should realise labor would have done the same thing
it was a dud deal worked out by turnbull and Pine,

I'm a Labor supporter and i agree it was a better outcome for Australia, however that doesn't exonerate Morrison. He was called out for lying and from what has transpired in the last few days it seems pretty plausible that he did.


Have you been asleep for the last few days, Morrison should not have disclosed the private txt message from Macron but it shows the Macron looks like the one that’s been caught telling porkies.

Morrison has proven that he cannot be trusted, by anyone.

I don't think Macron is that trustworthy elither.

Don't care about other leaders, all I know is the Australian Prime Minster has shown the world that he cannot be trusted. Whislt he is there Australia cannot be trusted.

 

[Yossarian]

And the French need to remember one very big fact ...those pussies would be Germans if it wasn't for us

I can't stand Americans ....I despise the French .....and learnt the language for 2 years .....

Pourquoi la haine? La France t’aime Heureux!!

 

[Yossarian]

Macron was correct in saying Scammo is a liar,most Australians know it even including many who are liberal voters.I am sure his puppet master/owner in the USA (Murdoch) will come out in full support of Scammo and his government and continue the process of misinformation and lies his media is known for.

But was it a good idea, best for Australia?

Yes it was
even the staunch Labor supporters should realise labor would have done the same thing
it was a dud deal worked out by turnbull and Pine,

I'm a Labor supporter and i agree it was a better outcome for Australia, however that doesn't exonerate Morrison. He was called out for lying and from what has transpired in the last few days it seems pretty plausible that he did.

I think what has transpired in the last few days proves he didnt. You can be angry with Scomo for lying, or leaking confidential documents, but not both.

I’m not sure about that. All we’ve seen is a text from Macron suggesting he thought something might be amiss. Is there anything solid to suggest he flat out told Macron the deal was off?

 

[Tiger5150]

Macron was correct in saying Scammo is a liar,most Australians know it even including many who are liberal voters.I am sure his puppet master/owner in the USA (Murdoch) will come out in full support of Scammo and his government and continue the process of misinformation and lies his media is known for.

But was it a good idea, best for Australia?

Yes it was
even the staunch Labor supporters should realise labor would have done the same thing
it was a dud deal worked out by turnbull and Pine,

I'm a Labor supporter and i agree it was a better outcome for Australia, however that doesn't exonerate Morrison. He was called out for lying and from what has transpired in the last few days it seems pretty plausible that he did.

I think what has transpired in the last few days proves he didnt. You can be angry with Scomo for lying, or leaking confidential documents, but not both.

I’m not sure about that. All we’ve seen is a text from Macron suggesting he thought something might be amiss. Is there anything solid to suggest he flat out told Macron the deal was off?

Dunno, dont care to be blunt. Despite the fact that half the population wont like the bloke, the PM has to get the right deal for Aus and IMO its clear that they did. Hurting Macrons feelings should be low on the list of things to care about. If we get hurt contractually that is another thing but doesnt seem to be the case.

I hope that I would feel the same way if it was a Labor PM.

 

[Yossarian]

Macron was correct in saying Scammo is a liar,most Australians know it even including many who are liberal voters.I am sure his puppet master/owner in the USA (Murdoch) will come out in full support of Scammo and his government and continue the process of misinformation and lies his media is known for.

But was it a good idea, best for Australia?

Yes it was
even the staunch Labor supporters should realise labor would have done the same thing
it was a dud deal worked out by turnbull and Pine,

I'm a Labor supporter and i agree it was a better outcome for Australia, however that doesn't exonerate Morrison. He was called out for lying and from what has transpired in the last few days it seems pretty plausible that he did.

I think what has transpired in the last few days proves he didnt. You can be angry with Scomo for lying, or leaking confidential documents, but not both.

I’m not sure about that. All we’ve seen is a text from Macron suggesting he thought something might be amiss. Is there anything solid to suggest he flat out told Macron the deal was off?

Dunno, dont care to be blunt. Despite the fact that half the population wont like the bloke, the PM has to get the right deal for Aus and IMO its clear that they did. Hurting Macrons feelings should be low on the list of things to care about. If we get hurt contractually that is another thing but doesnt seem to be the case.

I hope that I would feel the same way if it was a Labor PM.

I’m sure most people are fine with the general proposition that he should do what’s best for Australia. A lot of people think he should handled things better. Leaking the text messages is another example of this government wanting to score political points rather than behaving like a rational actor.

 

[Tiger5150]

A massive political shift in US politics.

Republican Glenn Youngkin's win in the Virginia Gubernatorial Election, in a state that elected Joe Biden by 10points is a massive message to the Democrats. The election was based on a lot of new "woke" policies, centering on public schools and IMO signals a desire by the US populace to get away from woke policies.

With Congressional elections less than a year away, it will be interesting how the Dems react and if they are able to overcome the interfactional friction to provide a united and cohesive policy front that gels with the electorate. IMO if the Republicans can distance themselves from Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and concentrate on common sense "centrist", anti woke policies they will go very close to winning back the Congress which would make life very interesting for the Biden administration as they have been trying to push through a very progressive and aggresive agenda through Congress.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The past was erased. The erasure was forgotten, the lie became the truth.

Orwell foretold present day Aust politics in *Nineteen Eighty Four.*