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@willow said in [Quick update](/post/1498418) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Quick update](/post/1498397) said:
@willow said in [Quick update](/post/1498390) said:
@pj said in [Quick update](/post/1498387) said:
Nothing's changed.
Bless you guys

PJ, swearing is not on thanks. That has been made very clear, and your continued derided attacks against me are also not appreciated thanks. Please post constructively as I am sure Kul intended for this thread. If you have particular issue with me, take it up with me privately.

I thought you handed in your badge willow? you were going pretty hard in the paint against Kul at one point recently.

That's a separate issue. The forum has changed somewhat over the years and has always relied on moderation as not everyone who joins on here, respects or plays by the rules. As an FYI when someone is banned, a reason is given and despite what some people on here may think about me, I can justify every permanent banning I've ever issued. Having said that, I'm not the only one responsible for that. We attempted to relax our stance earlier this year as some users started to swear more and more frequently, but that didn't work - members complained that it was degrading threads, and we (the moderation team) agreed so we went back to sticking with the rules as they currently are. We don't want this place turning into the forums on LU, that would really drive members away. We sought support from Kul, but he hasn't responded to us for reasons unknown. I'm sure he's busy with other things though and is enjoying life in Europe.

Yes, it's Kul's forum, no one is disputing that, but there has been no discussion from him regarding a relaxing of the rules or otherwise. So until that happens, we will continue to moderate within those rules. Admittedly I let my frustrations get the better of me last week and I regret that, but this place can get pretty depressing during the offseason, particularly given the way WT finished the season. It left a sour taste in many people's minds I feel and we have had more and more members having a go at one another - that's naturally going to deter people away from the forum. The upvote/downvote system also played a part in that which I suspect is something that has annoyed Kul - maybe I've annoyed him too, I don't know.

Sticking to topics is another reason why people lose interest - the signing and rumours thread is the best example - not a lot of substance in there and it's probably the most popular thread as we're all keen on reading who the latest potential signing may be, but there's very little quality content in there and every time we ask people to stick to topic, or clean up posts which are just spam, it degrades the very next day.

I spend a lot of time on here and because I delete a lot of posts that either contain swearing or involve personal attacks against other members - and some of those are ban worthy in accordance with the rules. This probably paints a bit of a target on my back because I've been on here a long time.

We have no idea what changes Kul has in store for the forum. It would certainly be nice to know as this thread has already generated a decent amount of comment and I think all members on here would like to continue to be a part of the forum moving forward. Let's see what the future holds, hopefully Kul can shed some light on that soon.

Honestly, that's a bunch of pearl clutching rubbish with a side of passive aggressive for Kul.

Who do you think you are protecting from swear words? or threads going off topic? How many actual DM's have you got from someone complaining about a swear word vs how many people have literally left the forum because it has become stagnant and ridged.

Threads being "derailed" is another prime example of over moderation. If people are talking about Brooks in the signings thread its because there are no signings. Very simple. If Wests make a signing the conversation comes back to the signing BUT what I think you are missing is in the interim, the thread has interaction and kept people posting.

If people want specific details only go follow Wests twitter and wait for news.

No racists / homophobic or doxing. the rest will work it self out. If someone can't handle that then maybe the internet is not for them or they can go start safeplacewestforum.com.
 
@gnr4life said in [Quick update](/post/1498425) said:
@pascoes_barber said in [Quick update](/post/1498414) said:
Anyway, good luck with it all.

@GNR4LIFE whinging about other people whinging is peak WTF.

I mean, you can deny you haven’t been here before, but the mods would know

*Because it's just.so.important* :face_with_rolling_eyes: ...

They absolutely would/do know; happy for them to verify (that I haven't) and let you know if that'd bring some sunshine to your day?

:+1: 🙂
 
@tigerbalm said in [Quick update](/post/1498428) said:
@willow said in [Quick update](/post/1498418) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Quick update](/post/1498397) said:
@willow said in [Quick update](/post/1498390) said:
@pj said in [Quick update](/post/1498387) said:
Nothing's changed.
Bless you guys

PJ, swearing is not on thanks. That has been made very clear, and your continued derided attacks against me are also not appreciated thanks. Please post constructively as I am sure Kul intended for this thread. If you have particular issue with me, take it up with me privately.

I thought you handed in your badge willow? you were going pretty hard in the paint against Kul at one point recently.

That's a separate issue. The forum has changed somewhat over the years and has always relied on moderation as not everyone who joins on here, respects or plays by the rules. As an FYI when someone is banned, a reason is given and despite what some people on here may think about me, I can justify every permanent banning I've ever issued. Having said that, I'm not the only one responsible for that. We attempted to relax our stance earlier this year as some users started to swear more and more frequently, but that didn't work - members complained that it was degrading threads, and we (the moderation team) agreed so we went back to sticking with the rules as they currently are. We don't want this place turning into the forums on LU, that would really drive members away. We sought support from Kul, but he hasn't responded to us for reasons unknown. I'm sure he's busy with other things though and is enjoying life in Europe.

Yes, it's Kul's forum, no one is disputing that, but there has been no discussion from him regarding a relaxing of the rules or otherwise. So until that happens, we will continue to moderate within those rules. Admittedly I let my frustrations get the better of me last week and I regret that, but this place can get pretty depressing during the offseason, particularly given the way WT finished the season. It left a sour taste in many people's minds I feel and we have had more and more members having a go at one another - that's naturally going to deter people away from the forum. The upvote/downvote system also played a part in that which I suspect is something that has annoyed Kul - maybe I've annoyed him too, I don't know.

Sticking to topics is another reason why people lose interest - the signing and rumours thread is the best example - not a lot of substance in there and it's probably the most popular thread as we're all keen on reading who the latest potential signing may be, but there's very little quality content in there and every time we ask people to stick to topic, or clean up posts which are just spam, it degrades the very next day.

I spend a lot of time on here and because I delete a lot of posts that either contain swearing or involve personal attacks against other members - and some of those are ban worthy in accordance with the rules. This probably paints a bit of a target on my back because I've been on here a long time.

We have no idea what changes Kul has in store for the forum. It would certainly be nice to know as this thread has already generated a decent amount of comment and I think all members on here would like to continue to be a part of the forum moving forward. Let's see what the future holds, hopefully Kul can shed some light on that soon.

Honestly, that's a bunch of pearl clutching rubbish with a side of passive aggressive for Kul.

Who do you think you are protecting from swear words? or threads going off topic? How many actual DM's have you got from someone complaining about a swear word vs how many people have literally left the forum because it has become stagnant and ridged.

Threads being "derailed" is another prime example of over moderation. If people are talking about Brooks in the signings thread its because there are no signings. Very simple. If Wests make a signing the conversation comes back to the signing BUT what I think you are missing is in the interim, the thread has interaction and kept people posting.

If people want specific details only go follow Wests twitter and wait for news.

No racists / homophobic or doxing. the rest will work it self out. If someone can't handle that then maybe the internet is not for them or they can go start safeplacewestforum.com.

Well said. I come from the sane school of thought.

You don't make rules based on the minority. Simple
 
@tigerbalm said in [Quick update](/post/1498428) said:
@willow said in [Quick update](/post/1498418) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Quick update](/post/1498397) said:
@willow said in [Quick update](/post/1498390) said:
@pj said in [Quick update](/post/1498387) said:
Nothing's changed.
Bless you guys

PJ, swearing is not on thanks. That has been made very clear, and your continued derided attacks against me are also not appreciated thanks. Please post constructively as I am sure Kul intended for this thread. If you have particular issue with me, take it up with me privately.

I thought you handed in your badge willow? you were going pretty hard in the paint against Kul at one point recently.

That's a separate issue. The forum has changed somewhat over the years and has always relied on moderation as not everyone who joins on here, respects or plays by the rules. As an FYI when someone is banned, a reason is given and despite what some people on here may think about me, I can justify every permanent banning I've ever issued. Having said that, I'm not the only one responsible for that. We attempted to relax our stance earlier this year as some users started to swear more and more frequently, but that didn't work - members complained that it was degrading threads, and we (the moderation team) agreed so we went back to sticking with the rules as they currently are. We don't want this place turning into the forums on LU, that would really drive members away. We sought support from Kul, but he hasn't responded to us for reasons unknown. I'm sure he's busy with other things though and is enjoying life in Europe.

Yes, it's Kul's forum, no one is disputing that, but there has been no discussion from him regarding a relaxing of the rules or otherwise. So until that happens, we will continue to moderate within those rules. Admittedly I let my frustrations get the better of me last week and I regret that, but this place can get pretty depressing during the offseason, particularly given the way WT finished the season. It left a sour taste in many people's minds I feel and we have had more and more members having a go at one another - that's naturally going to deter people away from the forum. The upvote/downvote system also played a part in that which I suspect is something that has annoyed Kul - maybe I've annoyed him too, I don't know.

Sticking to topics is another reason why people lose interest - the signing and rumours thread is the best example - not a lot of substance in there and it's probably the most popular thread as we're all keen on reading who the latest potential signing may be, but there's very little quality content in there and every time we ask people to stick to topic, or clean up posts which are just spam, it degrades the very next day.

I spend a lot of time on here and because I delete a lot of posts that either contain swearing or involve personal attacks against other members - and some of those are ban worthy in accordance with the rules. This probably paints a bit of a target on my back because I've been on here a long time.

We have no idea what changes Kul has in store for the forum. It would certainly be nice to know as this thread has already generated a decent amount of comment and I think all members on here would like to continue to be a part of the forum moving forward. Let's see what the future holds, hopefully Kul can shed some light on that soon.

Honestly, that's a bunch of pearl clutching rubbish with a side of passive aggressive for Kul.

Who do you think you are protecting from swear words? or threads going off topic? How many actual DM's have you got from someone complaining about a swear word vs how many people have literally left the forum because it has become stagnant and ridged.

Threads being "derailed" is another prime example of over moderation. If people are talking about Brooks in the signings thread its because there are no signings. Very simple. If Wests make a signing the conversation comes back to the signing BUT what I think you are missing is in the interim, the thread has interaction and kept people posting.

If people want specific details only go follow Wests twitter and wait for news.

No racists / homophobic or doxing. the rest will work it self out. If someone can't handle that then maybe the internet is not for them or they can go start safeplacewestforum.com.

Disagree mate, this site has rules that are expected to be followed, I much prefer to come to a site that is not littered with profanities and arguments. There are a number of people that have left due to the standards dropping here. I don't get it either, it is not like swearing has ever been allowed here, so why would opinions change now?
 
@tigerbalm said in [Quick update](/post/1498428) said:
@willow said in [Quick update](/post/1498418) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Quick update](/post/1498397) said:
@willow said in [Quick update](/post/1498390) said:
@pj said in [Quick update](/post/1498387) said:
Nothing's changed.
Bless you guys

PJ, swearing is not on thanks. That has been made very clear, and your continued derided attacks against me are also not appreciated thanks. Please post constructively as I am sure Kul intended for this thread. If you have particular issue with me, take it up with me privately.

I thought you handed in your badge willow? you were going pretty hard in the paint against Kul at one point recently.

That's a separate issue. The forum has changed somewhat over the years and has always relied on moderation as not everyone who joins on here, respects or plays by the rules. As an FYI when someone is banned, a reason is given and despite what some people on here may think about me, I can justify every permanent banning I've ever issued. Having said that, I'm not the only one responsible for that. We attempted to relax our stance earlier this year as some users started to swear more and more frequently, but that didn't work - members complained that it was degrading threads, and we (the moderation team) agreed so we went back to sticking with the rules as they currently are. We don't want this place turning into the forums on LU, that would really drive members away. We sought support from Kul, but he hasn't responded to us for reasons unknown. I'm sure he's busy with other things though and is enjoying life in Europe.

Yes, it's Kul's forum, no one is disputing that, but there has been no discussion from him regarding a relaxing of the rules or otherwise. So until that happens, we will continue to moderate within those rules. Admittedly I let my frustrations get the better of me last week and I regret that, but this place can get pretty depressing during the offseason, particularly given the way WT finished the season. It left a sour taste in many people's minds I feel and we have had more and more members having a go at one another - that's naturally going to deter people away from the forum. The upvote/downvote system also played a part in that which I suspect is something that has annoyed Kul - maybe I've annoyed him too, I don't know.

Sticking to topics is another reason why people lose interest - the signing and rumours thread is the best example - not a lot of substance in there and it's probably the most popular thread as we're all keen on reading who the latest potential signing may be, but there's very little quality content in there and every time we ask people to stick to topic, or clean up posts which are just spam, it degrades the very next day.

I spend a lot of time on here and because I delete a lot of posts that either contain swearing or involve personal attacks against other members - and some of those are ban worthy in accordance with the rules. This probably paints a bit of a target on my back because I've been on here a long time.

We have no idea what changes Kul has in store for the forum. It would certainly be nice to know as this thread has already generated a decent amount of comment and I think all members on here would like to continue to be a part of the forum moving forward. Let's see what the future holds, hopefully Kul can shed some light on that soon.

Honestly, that's a bunch of pearl clutching rubbish with a side of passive aggressive for Kul.

Who do you think you are protecting from swear words? or threads going off topic? How many actual DM's have you got from someone complaining about a swear word vs how many people have literally left the forum because it has become stagnant and ridged.

Threads being "derailed" is another prime example of over moderation. If people are talking about Brooks in the signings thread its because there are no signings. Very simple. If Wests make a signing the conversation comes back to the signing BUT what I think you are missing is in the interim, the thread has interaction and kept people posting.

If people want specific details only go follow Wests twitter and wait for news.

No racists / homophobic or doxing. the rest will work it self out. If someone can't handle that then maybe the internet is not for them or they can go start safeplacewestforum.com.

?????????????
 
The rules have been bent the last 6 months though. Hasn’t made the place any better. I feel like some just want to swear for the sake of it. Just because they can. Probably why a lot them run to Discord.
 
Oh man... you guys actually think this is about 'swearing' :face_palm:

![dea57eda-1d17-4e67-8690-d6f25fd0eb8e-image.png](/assets/uploads/files/1635295955818-dea57eda-1d17-4e67-8690-d6f25fd0eb8e-image.png)
 
@pascoes_barber said in [Quick update](/post/1498436) said:
Oh man... you guys actually think this is about 'swearing' :face_palm:

![dea57eda-1d17-4e67-8690-d6f25fd0eb8e-image.png](/assets/uploads/files/1635295955818-dea57eda-1d17-4e67-8690-d6f25fd0eb8e-image.png)

What is your issue then?
 
Anyway, 5 pages of differing viewpoints in, there's clearly no *underlying issues* (to quote our illustrious captain) that need addressing.
 
@cochise said in [Quick update](/post/1498433) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Quick update](/post/1498428) said:
@willow said in [Quick update](/post/1498418) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Quick update](/post/1498397) said:
@willow said in [Quick update](/post/1498390) said:
@pj said in [Quick update](/post/1498387) said:
Nothing's changed.
Bless you guys

PJ, swearing is not on thanks. That has been made very clear, and your continued derided attacks against me are also not appreciated thanks. Please post constructively as I am sure Kul intended for this thread. If you have particular issue with me, take it up with me privately.

I thought you handed in your badge willow? you were going pretty hard in the paint against Kul at one point recently.

That's a separate issue. The forum has changed somewhat over the years and has always relied on moderation as not everyone who joins on here, respects or plays by the rules. As an FYI when someone is banned, a reason is given and despite what some people on here may think about me, I can justify every permanent banning I've ever issued. Having said that, I'm not the only one responsible for that. We attempted to relax our stance earlier this year as some users started to swear more and more frequently, but that didn't work - members complained that it was degrading threads, and we (the moderation team) agreed so we went back to sticking with the rules as they currently are. We don't want this place turning into the forums on LU, that would really drive members away. We sought support from Kul, but he hasn't responded to us for reasons unknown. I'm sure he's busy with other things though and is enjoying life in Europe.

Yes, it's Kul's forum, no one is disputing that, but there has been no discussion from him regarding a relaxing of the rules or otherwise. So until that happens, we will continue to moderate within those rules. Admittedly I let my frustrations get the better of me last week and I regret that, but this place can get pretty depressing during the offseason, particularly given the way WT finished the season. It left a sour taste in many people's minds I feel and we have had more and more members having a go at one another - that's naturally going to deter people away from the forum. The upvote/downvote system also played a part in that which I suspect is something that has annoyed Kul - maybe I've annoyed him too, I don't know.

Sticking to topics is another reason why people lose interest - the signing and rumours thread is the best example - not a lot of substance in there and it's probably the most popular thread as we're all keen on reading who the latest potential signing may be, but there's very little quality content in there and every time we ask people to stick to topic, or clean up posts which are just spam, it degrades the very next day.

I spend a lot of time on here and because I delete a lot of posts that either contain swearing or involve personal attacks against other members - and some of those are ban worthy in accordance with the rules. This probably paints a bit of a target on my back because I've been on here a long time.

We have no idea what changes Kul has in store for the forum. It would certainly be nice to know as this thread has already generated a decent amount of comment and I think all members on here would like to continue to be a part of the forum moving forward. Let's see what the future holds, hopefully Kul can shed some light on that soon.

Honestly, that's a bunch of pearl clutching rubbish with a side of passive aggressive for Kul.

Who do you think you are protecting from swear words? or threads going off topic? How many actual DM's have you got from someone complaining about a swear word vs how many people have literally left the forum because it has become stagnant and ridged.

Threads being "derailed" is another prime example of over moderation. If people are talking about Brooks in the signings thread its because there are no signings. Very simple. If Wests make a signing the conversation comes back to the signing BUT what I think you are missing is in the interim, the thread has interaction and kept people posting.

If people want specific details only go follow Wests twitter and wait for news.

No racists / homophobic or doxing. the rest will work it self out. If someone can't handle that then maybe the internet is not for them or they can go start safeplacewestforum.com.

Disagree mate, this site has rules that are expected to be followed, I much prefer to come to a site that is not littered with profanities and arguments. There are a number of people that have left due to the standards dropping here. I don't get it either, it is not like swearing has ever been allowed here, so why would opinions change now?

Man I've wasted too much time on this nonsense. If you can't see it I can't hep you.

At a guess Kul has to pay to keep the site going and probably draws a little bit of coin from adds. I would suggest this may be going down and I don't think its because threads are not staying on topic or profanities.
 
@roar_power said in [Quick update](/post/1498335) said:
Not sure why the neg vote button was introduced in the first place. Was always going to end in tears.

But why?
Why on earth would this bother someone?
Maybe if you have low self esteem and a thumbs up helps you in real life.... I dunno
Funny world these days I recall insta or FB removed likes or something similar because kids take this crap to heart I guess
Really soft
 
@tigerbalm said in [Quick update](/post/1498428) said:
@willow said in [Quick update](/post/1498418) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Quick update](/post/1498397) said:
@willow said in [Quick update](/post/1498390) said:
@pj said in [Quick update](/post/1498387) said:
Nothing's changed.
Bless you guys

PJ, swearing is not on thanks. That has been made very clear, and your continued derided attacks against me are also not appreciated thanks. Please post constructively as I am sure Kul intended for this thread. If you have particular issue with me, take it up with me privately.

I thought you handed in your badge willow? you were going pretty hard in the paint against Kul at one point recently.

That's a separate issue. The forum has changed somewhat over the years and has always relied on moderation as not everyone who joins on here, respects or plays by the rules. As an FYI when someone is banned, a reason is given and despite what some people on here may think about me, I can justify every permanent banning I've ever issued. Having said that, I'm not the only one responsible for that. We attempted to relax our stance earlier this year as some users started to swear more and more frequently, but that didn't work - members complained that it was degrading threads, and we (the moderation team) agreed so we went back to sticking with the rules as they currently are. We don't want this place turning into the forums on LU, that would really drive members away. We sought support from Kul, but he hasn't responded to us for reasons unknown. I'm sure he's busy with other things though and is enjoying life in Europe.

Yes, it's Kul's forum, no one is disputing that, but there has been no discussion from him regarding a relaxing of the rules or otherwise. So until that happens, we will continue to moderate within those rules. Admittedly I let my frustrations get the better of me last week and I regret that, but this place can get pretty depressing during the offseason, particularly given the way WT finished the season. It left a sour taste in many people's minds I feel and we have had more and more members having a go at one another - that's naturally going to deter people away from the forum. The upvote/downvote system also played a part in that which I suspect is something that has annoyed Kul - maybe I've annoyed him too, I don't know.

Sticking to topics is another reason why people lose interest - the signing and rumours thread is the best example - not a lot of substance in there and it's probably the most popular thread as we're all keen on reading who the latest potential signing may be, but there's very little quality content in there and every time we ask people to stick to topic, or clean up posts which are just spam, it degrades the very next day.

I spend a lot of time on here and because I delete a lot of posts that either contain swearing or involve personal attacks against other members - and some of those are ban worthy in accordance with the rules. This probably paints a bit of a target on my back because I've been on here a long time.

We have no idea what changes Kul has in store for the forum. It would certainly be nice to know as this thread has already generated a decent amount of comment and I think all members on here would like to continue to be a part of the forum moving forward. Let's see what the future holds, hopefully Kul can shed some light on that soon.

Honestly, that's a bunch of pearl clutching rubbish with a side of passive aggressive for Kul.

Who do you think you are protecting from swear words? or threads going off topic? How many actual DM's have you got from someone complaining about a swear word vs how many people have literally left the forum because it has become stagnant and ridged.

Threads being "derailed" is another prime example of over moderation. If people are talking about Brooks in the signings thread its because there are no signings. Very simple. If Wests make a signing the conversation comes back to the signing BUT what I think you are missing is in the interim, the thread has interaction and kept people posting.

If people want specific details only go follow Wests twitter and wait for news.

No racists / homophobic or doxing. the rest will work it self out. If someone can't handle that then maybe the internet is not for them or they can go start safeplacewestforum.com.

I have a slightly different opinion.

There are plenty of places to go and discuss the Tigers. LU, FB, Reddit, Demps Discord and probably others. What made this place a bit different was it was better behaved and more civil than the others.

Wests Tigers are a football team and as a result and loved and followed by a lot of kids. My kids were on this forum. I dont see the problem with having a reasonable standard that can include fans of all ages and genders for that matter. We just successfully chased out the only female on the forum.

Why not have the standards kept here as a point of difference from LU/FB/Reddit/Discord? Why be like all the others? So you can swear?
 
The rules are here for all to see. They have been pointed out many times. It’s obvious some people don’t like rules and want to do things their way. This is not a democracy and the answer is if you don’t like the rules its simple, start your own forum and you can set whatever rules you like and swear to your hearts content and derail threads as much as you like.

@Kul i support you however make no mistake the degeneration of the forum is on you. You’ve set the tone by the things you have instigated in the last few months. There is no doubt the forum has regressed since then. It’s up to you @kul to decide what sort of forum this is. You know what you need to do.
 
@jc99 said in [Quick update](/post/1498350) said:
Hilarious that adults get so upset by a little red thumb on a website

Guess I'll eternally the be #2 most upvoted person on the forum

There's a list?
Explains a lot
 
@innsaneink said in [Quick update](/post/1498445) said:
@roar_power said in [Quick update](/post/1498335) said:
Not sure why the neg vote button was introduced in the first place. Was always going to end in tears.

But why?
Why on earth would this bother someone?
Maybe if you have low self esteem and a thumbs up helps you in real life.... I dunno
Funny world these days I recall insta or FB removed likes or something similar because kids take this crap to heart I guess
Really soft

Just as soft as someone who won't back up their opinion with an argument .....or reason why they disagree .....anyway it's gone now
 
@pascoes_barber said in [Quick update](/post/1498439) said:
Anyway, 5 pages of differing viewpoints in, there's clearly no *underlying issues* (to quote our illustrious captain) that need addressing.

It has been a good discussion. Why dont you add to it rather than simple obfuscating.

Be specific. What is the underlying issue?
 
@tiger5150 said in [Quick update](/post/1498452) said:
@pascoes_barber said in [Quick update](/post/1498439) said:
Anyway, 5 pages of differing viewpoints in, there's clearly no *underlying issues* (to quote our illustrious captain) that need addressing.

It has been a good discussion. Why dont you add to it rather than simple obfuscating.

Be specific. What is the underlying issue?

Luke Brooks, it seems.
 
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