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[tigerman 0]

This forum has become boring, uninteresting, woke and overly sensitive literally overnight. What a joke

Woke?

With respect mate, you have been here for 2 months, what a lot of us are discussing is how to get it back to how it was 12 months ago.


Maybe its COVID?

Ive been here for about 15 years.
Thanks for taking an interest

 

[JC99]

Hilarious that adults get so upset by a little red thumb on a website

Guess I'll eternally the be #2 most upvoted person on the forum

There's a list?
Explains a lot

There was - not anymore ?

 

[cochise]

Hilarious that adults get so upset by a little red thumb on a website

Guess I'll eternally the be #2 most upvoted person on the forum

There's a list?
Explains a lot

There was - not anymore ?

Who was in front of you?

 

[Tiger5150]

Nothing's changed.
Bless you guys

PJ, swearing is not on thanks. That has been made very clear, and your continued derided attacks against me are also not appreciated thanks. Please post constructively as I am sure Kul intended for this thread. If you have particular issue with me, take it up with me privately.

I thought you handed in your badge willow? you were going pretty hard in the paint against Kul at one point recently.

That's a separate issue. The forum has changed somewhat over the years and has always relied on moderation as not everyone who joins on here, respects or plays by the rules. As an FYI when someone is banned, a reason is given and despite what some people on here may think about me, I can justify every permanent banning I've ever issued. Having said that, I'm not the only one responsible for that. We attempted to relax our stance earlier this year as some users started to swear more and more frequently, but that didn't work - members complained that it was degrading threads, and we (the moderation team) agreed so we went back to sticking with the rules as they currently are. We don't want this place turning into the forums on LU, that would really drive members away. We sought support from Kul, but he hasn't responded to us for reasons unknown. I'm sure he's busy with other things though and is enjoying life in Europe.

Yes, it's Kul's forum, no one is disputing that, but there has been no discussion from him regarding a relaxing of the rules or otherwise. So until that happens, we will continue to moderate within those rules. Admittedly I let my frustrations get the better of me last week and I regret that, but this place can get pretty depressing during the offseason, particularly given the way WT finished the season. It left a sour taste in many people's minds I feel and we have had more and more members having a go at one another - that's naturally going to deter people away from the forum. The upvote/downvote system also played a part in that which I suspect is something that has annoyed Kul - maybe I've annoyed him too, I don't know.

Sticking to topics is another reason why people lose interest - the signing and rumours thread is the best example - not a lot of substance in there and it's probably the most popular thread as we're all keen on reading who the latest potential signing may be, but there's very little quality content in there and every time we ask people to stick to topic, or clean up posts which are just spam, it degrades the very next day.

I spend a lot of time on here and because I delete a lot of posts that either contain swearing or involve personal attacks against other members - and some of those are ban worthy in accordance with the rules. This probably paints a bit of a target on my back because I've been on here a long time.

We have no idea what changes Kul has in store for the forum. It would certainly be nice to know as this thread has already generated a decent amount of comment and I think all members on here would like to continue to be a part of the forum moving forward. Let's see what the future holds, hopefully Kul can shed some light on that soon.

Honestly, that's a bunch of pearl clutching rubbish with a side of passive aggressive for Kul.

Who do you think you are protecting from swear words? or threads going off topic? How many actual DM's have you got from someone complaining about a swear word vs how many people have literally left the forum because it has become stagnant and ridged.

Threads being "derailed" is another prime example of over moderation. If people are talking about Brooks in the signings thread its because there are no signings. Very simple. If Wests make a signing the conversation comes back to the signing BUT what I think you are missing is in the interim, the thread has interaction and kept people posting.

If people want specific details only go follow Wests twitter and wait for news.

No racists / homophobic or doxing. the rest will work it self out. If someone can't handle that then maybe the internet is not for them or they can go start safeplacewestforum.com.

I have a slightly different opinion.

There are plenty of places to go and discuss the Tigers. LU, FB, Reddit, Demps Discord and probably others. What made this place a bit different was it was better behaved and more civil than the others.

Wests Tigers are a football team and as a result and loved and followed by a lot of kids. My kids were on this forum. I dont see the problem with having a reasonable standard that can include fans of all ages and genders for that matter. **We just successfully chased out the only female on the forum.**

Why not have the standards kept here as a point of difference from LU/FB/Reddit/Discord? Why be like all the others? So you can swear?


We? I have no idea of what or who you are talking about. To be honest I don't care. ***What's gender got to do with footy chat?***

Its got nothing to do with the subject of the chat, but surely the forum is a better place with a diversity of people and views making a contribution? Or should this just be an echo chamber of all blokes with the same background, thoughts and opinions? We already have the Luke Brooks thread for that.

>Stop making drama where there is none.

I'm making drama? I misinterpreted this thread as a discussion of what is wrong with the forum and suggestions for what could be done to improve it. An hour ago you made a very well expressed and eloquent post expressing everything that YOU thought was wrong with the forum and what needed to be fixed but because my opinion of what is wrong and needs to be fixed is different to yours....I'm "making drama".

That kind of call out is a big part of what I dislike about this forum lately.

 

[happy_tiger]

Hilarious that adults get so upset by a little red thumb on a website

Guess I'll eternally the be #2 most upvoted person on the forum

There's a list?
Explains a lot

There was - not anymore ?

Who was in front of you?

@geo .......he has been upvoting himself through Covid

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I used to post multiple times a day on here but over the last few months I feel the forum has been almost hijacked by a few incredibly negative posters who want to criticise the club, players and fellow forum members nonstop. I post rarely now but still read some threads. I don’t believe in over moderation but if this place is going to remain civil, constructive and positive it needs moderators who have the temerity to moderate consistently to a standard.

 

[4jtigers]

Anyway, 5 pages of differing viewpoints in, there's clearly no *underlying issues* (to quote our illustrious captain) that need addressing.

It has been a good discussion. Why dont you add to it rather than simple obfuscating.

Be specific. What is the underlying issue?

Double standards, hypocrisy, and IMHO excessive moderation of 'topic drift'.

BTW if your kids were on the forum I hope they were using an ad-blocker, there was all kinds of, um...'questionable' (let's call it adult themes, sexual references) anime style cartoon ads appearing in separation panels a couple of months back alongside the regular ads for obvious financial scams using Elon Musk or Dick Smith's likeness.

You know the ads are personalised by the provider to YOUR preferences, based on YOUR search results and site visits.

Well that's ridiculous - I hate cartoons.

:laughing:

Actually can be explained by CGNAT and a mobile device absent an ad-blocker; never saw them on the laptop.

They are personalised by device. The provider doesn’t know who you are but it knows your device. They know what device it is, the browser you use the screen resolution and a few other metrics. From that they generate an ID hash. They generate that every time. They check the databases and when the ID hash matches they send advertisements based on what they have tracked for that device.

exactly that - I have been getting a lot of ads regarding gaming chairs and mobile phones because that's what I have been searching for lately... fancy blaming it on the actual forum or the owner of the forum :face_with_rolling_eyes:

 

[happy_tiger]

I used to post multiple times a day on here but over the last few months I feel the forum has been almost hijacked by a few incredibly negative posters who want to criticise the club, players and fellow forum members nonstop. I post rarely now but still read some threads. I don’t believe in over moderation but if this place is going to remain civil, constructive and positive it needs moderators who have the temerity to moderate consistently to a standard.

It will be amazing that once this side improves it's performances on field what happens to the positivity on the Forum ....so it's Pascoe's fault

 

[The_Patriot]

The rules have been bent the last 6 months though. Hasn’t made the place any better. I feel like some just want to swear for the sake of it. Just because they can. Probably why a lot them run to Discord.

From what I've seen on discord the main reason people head there is to do with the double standards when it comes to moderation.

Some people here are serial agitators who love nothing more than to rile people up. They hardly ever post their own opinions on topics, every second post is having a go at someone else's opinion. People are fed up with these guys getting off scott free from the mods while the guy who react to these agitators cops a ban.

Most people just want an open and friendly place to shoot the breeze and discuss the Wests Tigers. Most people are happy to have a bit of back and forward banter. Some light hearted disagreements and blow ups.

This place as a result of these double standards and favouritism has become far too emotional. As a result the moderation has become heavy handed and draconian, killing the fun and banter that a forum needs to keep people interested.

Even now people think this is about swearing and downvotes lol. It's nothing of the sort. The down votes only became a problem when the issues that have been mentioned and in some other posts above started to mess things up.

 

[4jtigers]

I used to post multiple times a day on here but over the last few months I feel the forum has been almost hijacked by a few incredibly negative posters who want to criticise the club, players and fellow forum members nonstop. I post rarely now but still read some threads. I don’t believe in over moderation but if this place is going to remain civil, constructive and positive it needs moderators who have the temerity to moderate consistently to a standard.

:+1:

 

[Tiger5150]

This forum has become boring, uninteresting, woke and overly sensitive literally overnight. What a joke

Woke?

With respect mate, you have been here for 2 months, what a lot of us are discussing is how to get it back to how it was 12 months ago.


Maybe its COVID?

Ive been here for about 15 years.
Thanks for taking an interest

Great, then you have experience. You say you think its gone downhill in the last two weeks. Can you see a longer duration change, like last 6-12 months?

Was the forum better or worse 18months ago?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I used to post multiple times a day on here but over the last few months I feel the forum has been almost hijacked by a few incredibly negative posters who want to criticise the club, players and fellow forum members nonstop. I post rarely now but still read some threads. I don’t believe in over moderation but if this place is going to remain civil, constructive and positive it needs moderators who have the temerity to moderate consistently to a standard.

That’s just opinion though. There’s no rules against being negative unless you are insulting someone personally. The day mods sensor negative opinions about the team is when there is a problem.

 

[tigerman 0]

This forum has become boring, uninteresting, woke and overly sensitive literally overnight. What a joke

Woke?

With respect mate, you have been here for 2 months, what a lot of us are discussing is how to get it back to how it was 12 months ago.


Maybe its COVID?

Ive been here for about 15 years.
Thanks for taking an interest

Great, then you have experience. You say you think its gone downhill in the last two weeks. Can you see a longer duration change, like last 6-12 months?

Was the forum better or worse 18months ago?

Definitely more bitchy over the last couple of years than previously

 

[GNR4LIFE]

The rules have been bent the last 6 months though. Hasn’t made the place any better. I feel like some just want to swear for the sake of it. Just because they can. Probably why a lot them run to Discord.

From what I've seen on discord the main reason people head there is to do with the double standards when it comes to moderation.

Some people here are serial agitators who love nothing more than to rile people up. They hardly ever post their own opinions on topics, every second post is having a go at someone else's opinion. People are fed up with these guys getting off scott free from the mods while the guy who react to these agitators cops a ban.

Most people just want an open and friendly place to shoot the breeze and discuss the Wests Tigers. Most people are happy to have a bit of back and forward banter. Some light hearted disagreements and blow ups.

This place as a result of these double standards and favouritism has become far too emotional. As a result the moderation has become heavy handed and draconian, killing the fun and banter that a forum needs to keep people interested.

Even now people think this is about swearing and downvoted lol. It's nothing of the sort. The down votes only became a problem when the issues that have been mentioned and in some other posts above stated to mess things up.

When you have a group of people who are as passionate as we are, it isn’t going to be all skipping through the flowers. A lot of topics in relation to the club are divisive, so conflict is inevitable.

 

[tigerman 0]

The rules have been bent the last 6 months though. Hasn’t made the place any better. I feel like some just want to swear for the sake of it. Just because they can. Probably why a lot them run to Discord.

From what I've seen on discord the main reason people head there is to do with the double standards when it comes to moderation.

Some people here are serial agitators who love nothing more than to rile people up. They hardly ever post their own opinions on topics, every second post is having a go at someone else's opinion. People are fed up with these guys getting off scott free from the mods while the guy who react to these agitators cops a ban.

Most people just want an open and friendly place to shoot the breeze and discuss the Wests Tigers. Most people are happy to have a bit of back and forward banter. Some light hearted disagreements and blow ups.

This place as a result of these double standards and favouritism has become far too emotional. As a result the moderation has become heavy handed and draconian, killing the fun and banter that a forum needs to keep people interested.

Even now people think this is about swearing and downvoted lol. It's nothing of the sort. The down votes only became a problem when the issues that have been mentioned and in some other posts above stated to mess things up.

When you have a group of people who are as passionate as we are, it isn’t going to be all skipping through the flowers. A lot of topics in relation to the club are divisive, so conflict is inevitable.

Upvote

 

[Tiger5150]

This forum has become boring, uninteresting, woke and overly sensitive literally overnight. What a joke

Woke?

With respect mate, you have been here for 2 months, what a lot of us are discussing is how to get it back to how it was 12 months ago.


Maybe its COVID?

Ive been here for about 15 years.
Thanks for taking an interest

Great, then you have experience. You say you think its gone downhill in the last two weeks. Can you see a longer duration change, like last 6-12 months?

Was the forum better or worse 18months ago?

Definitely more bitchy over the last couple of years than previously

Agreed.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I used to post multiple times a day on here but over the last few months I feel the forum has been almost hijacked by a few incredibly negative posters who want to criticise the club, players and fellow forum members nonstop. I post rarely now but still read some threads. I don’t believe in over moderation but if this place is going to remain civil, constructive and positive it needs moderators who have the temerity to moderate consistently to a standard.

That’s just opinion though. There’s no rules against being negative unless you are insulting someone personally. The day mods sensor negative opinions about the team is when there is a problem.

Yeah I get that. It’s just my personal choice but to be honest, as an example, I get sick of opening every single thread only to read over and over again that Brooks is no good, including countless personal and vindictive slurs against he bloke. Does he really deserve the level of vitriol he cops on here?? Just an example by the way.

 

[tig_prmz]

Overmoderation is definitely killing this place.

You talk about Brooks in signing thread, the post gets moved but you can have 3 pages full of people bickering like an old married couple and that's not an issue.

No one thinks this place will be like LU or facebook etc.. that's not coz of moderators but simply because the quality of posters here is better.

Can't imagine someone calling the cops over using abbreviations for words that the entire world uses.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I used to post multiple times a day on here but over the last few months I feel the forum has been almost hijacked by a few incredibly negative posters who want to criticise the club, players and fellow forum members nonstop. I post rarely now but still read some threads. I don’t believe in over moderation but if this place is going to remain civil, constructive and positive it needs moderators who have the temerity to moderate consistently to a standard.

That’s just opinion though. There’s no rules against being negative unless you are insulting someone personally. The day mods sensor negative opinions about the team is when there is a problem.

Yeah I get that. It’s just my personal choice but to be honest, as an example, I get sick of opening every single thread only to read over and over again that Brooks is no good, including countless personal and vindictive slurs against he bloke. Does he really deserve the level of vitriol he cops on here?? Just an example by the way.

I get it

 

[happy_tiger]

Not blaming the Discord ...but a lot of issues definitely went up another gear about the same time it started ......

Thought I would bring up the very obvious elephant in the room .....