Referees and commentators

Consistency -seen it happen all before they get whistle happy about something at the beginning of each season and then dont sustain it. They put pressure on themselves and then they make crucial errors.
Glad I didnt pay money to go to that game last night it was embarrassing.
 
I hope the refs get harder and also make the defending side keep their feet (both) behind the try line at play the balls,
It’s ridiculous now with some defenders front foot being behind the bloke playing the ball.

Apart from that, I think that the stop start nature of the game helps a team like us who have to rely on a swarming defence, as there is much more stoppages due to all the penalties that are being blown, there’s a lot more rest time at the moment

It’s hard to keep this type of defence going effectively over a season,, but the way it’s going will certainly help us.
And I think it’s a reason why other sides like the cowboys and others are not as effective as they with a free rolling game
 
Beautiful. Love every minute of it. For far too long clubs (some a lot better than others)have been ruining the games through spoiling tactics. I ve said before and ill say it again, the rules are there so its in black and white. You don't have to interpret anything. I'm over the moon the NRL is FINALLY taking back control of the game.

Cameron Smith asked the the ref last night why a player on the opposite side of the field was penalised for being half a metre offside, so ill reply with this Cameron, if it has no effect on the play, then why couldn't he go back that extra half a metre?

I hope the NRL stays strong on this.
 
Nobody asked me the first time around, I dont want 30 penalties per game, kills the momentum and emphasises penalty goals.

I agree w the commentators. Sure players bend the rulea a little but with smart leeway, esp when it doesnt result in points, you can ref an exciting and fair spectacle. Origin is always like this.

But 33 penalties, I didnt ask for that. Fatty is right, if your look at every play you could potentially penalise someone, 26 players are never 100% within the rules.

So if you penalise hard, IMO all you do is emphasise even more the penalties you missed to blow, like the Tigers GP last week.

I never realised we had such a problem with foot on the ball and the 10m in previous seasons, didnt realise it was such a blight that needed aggressive rectification.
 
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Refs can't win

Don't impose the rules they cop it

Now they do impose the rules and they cop it

Players and coaches have got to accept this is how it will be and change

How hard is it , not if the players don't understand the 10 metres rule , strip rule , standing square , playing the ball with your foot

Coaches are just full of it , we didn't get enough time …...are you kidding me ...... when they bend the rules they work it out within a week

I’m with you 100%. Keep it going refs.
 
The ref issue either positive or negative can stop today, right now, if the players played within the rules and the coaches stopped coaching them to break the rules.

It really is that simple.
 
Agree with most.
All those years of watching the game and saying " look at the opposition !! always offside in front of the ref . . . right next to him , and he doesn't blow the penalty !!!!"
We scream at the ground or the TV about laying in the ruck, play the balls and off sides.
Now, all the penalties interrupt our game enjoyment.
Rules are rules. No rule is really more important, or should be policed at the expense of other rules.
Over the years,a few rules have been swept aside to enable a quicker game, and now the NRL seems to be going back to square one . . . "These are the rules of the game, and we will enforce all of them" And we cant really whinge about that.
Yes, it is a pain in the arse, but the long term benefits should outweigh the short term pain.
Unless of course the players just keep breaking the rules.
 
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For far too long clubs (some a lot better than others)have been ruining the games through spoiling tactics. I ve said before and ill say it again, the rules are there so its in black and white. You don't have to interpret anything.

Clubs won't stop w spoiling tactics, if you think so you are deluded. Clubs will always pressure the rules and the refs to gain an advantage.

E.g. all of a sudden clubs have switched to penalty goals because of the penalties blown and constant rest the defence is getting. Already Slater and Smith have taken very clear dives to get players sin-binned.

I'm all for sin bin but binning Lewis for that and Smith for backchat is ridiculuous. Sure Smith deserves a smack for his career of rule-bending but there was so much backchat and fighting last night from frustrated players, yet only 1 went to the bin.

You ask for consistency in black and white rules, but there is not consistency that is the problem, once you ref like a Nazi you can't go back "when the players learn their lesson" because the minute you relax, the players are pushing the boundaries again.

And really all you do when you crack down on one rule is overlook the other rules. E.g. forward passes, they are illegal, but clubs still throwing a lot of forward passes from dummy half arent getting called.

Finally, rules actually are not black and white. Some have opinion and interpretation literally written into the law. E.g. penalty tries: _"the Referee may award a penalty try if, in his
opinion, a try would have been scored but for the unfair play of the defending team. A penalty try is awarded between the goal posts irrespective of where the offence occurred"._

Even the current NRL lawbook is actually called "Rugby League International Rules and NRL Interpretations" (paraphrased). If the laws are so black and white, why does the NRL have a 68-page document of interpretations?

Some people are in a fantasy of "how it should be" or "how it used to be" when those themselves are just interpretations of the game. Is the game better viewing? IMO no. Are the refs catching all the penalties? Certainly not.

And lastly are clubs figuring out the new interpretations and successfully reducing their penalty load? Not in 4 rounds. Actually, as noted, some clubs like the penalty counts. They like scrappy affairs where attacking sides are stifled. It's potentially very accurate that one of the reasons Tigers are defending well this yr is because we predicted the penalty fest of 2018 and we are prepared to give up goals instead of tries, and stifle teams like Storm and Roosters. Sharks played Melb last night exactly how we played, it was ugly and Storm fell apart.
 
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Nobody asked me the first time around, I dont want 30 penalties per game, kills the momentum and emphasises penalty goals.

I agree w the commentators. Sure players bend the rulea a little but with smart leeway, esp when it doesnt result in points, you can ref an exciting and fair spectacle. Origin is always like this.

But 33 penalties, I didnt ask for that. Fatty is right, if your look at every play you could potentially penalise someone, 26 players are never 100% within the rules.

So if you penalise hard, IMO all you do is emphasise even more the penalties you missed to blow, like the Tigers GP last week.

I never realised we had such a problem with foot on the ball and the 10m in previous seasons, didn't realise it was such a blight that needed aggressive rectification.

RE: the foot on the ball. I've always seen it as an indiscretion, and not just " a silly rule". When you just lift your foot and roll the ball on it's belly to your dummy half . . . it rolls at an even speed, you don't waste micro-seconds lifting your foot to contact the ball, it rolls behind you without any wobble and is predictable and simple for your DH to pick it up.
All of that gives you a distinct advantage over someone who plays the ball as per the rules.
An advantage very similar to say a forward pass.
If we choose to ignore the PTB correctly rule, why get our knickers in a twist over 9 or 10 forward passes in a game ?

And re the commentators . . . . funny how they can look at a team ( say the Storm ) stand offside, wrestle the neck, do the Cameron flop, throw DH blatant forward passes . . . and never say one word, yet now they are laying into referees for cleaning up all the indiscretions that they casually turned a blind eye to for the past 30 years.

And yes J, the penalty goal is gonna feature a lot more till this sorts itself out. Interesting times ahead . . . .
 
I am in support of the crack down. Except I would take it further. Sides that repeatedly get penalised should lose competition points. It is cheating, pure and simple.

If the refs win this battle, we will have a far better game as a result.

I realise we are finalising using these tactics and they are working for us. Im okay with using them whilst other sides use them. However, the game would be better if we got rid of Bellamy Ball.
 
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If the refs win this battle, we will have a far better game as a result.

This is the key thing for mine the refs have to stay strong the players/coaches need to adjust. The game will benefit from it.

I think the commentators have gone in strong saying everyone is against it but fans seem to be 50/50 on the issue from what I see. A lot of people can see the long term benefits.
 
Players have been offside, punching/stripping balls out, trying to get away with whatever they can since 1908.
People that think this will clean up the game aren't being realistic…. Professional top level sportsmen will Always push the letter... Even competitive kids in park footy will... The player that plays by the rules sees another that gets away with something the ref misses and thinks " I need to compete with my rival, bugger the ref, I'll take a chance".
I don't think players will change... if the refs don't change we're in for a long dull frustrating season... Tho I do agree with GCT it appears to be helping teams like us.
The refs will relent... They always do...but they'll come out and say they've done what they set out to do... They'll treat the fans like mugs.
These butt ugly games were seeing now cannot continue
 
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I am in support of the crack down. **Except I would take it further. Sides that repeatedly get penalised should lose competition points. It is cheating, pure and simple.**

If the refs win this battle, we will have a far better game as a result.

I realise we are finalising using these tactics and they are working for us. Im okay with using them whilst other sides use them. However, the game would be better if we got rid of Bellamy Ball.

Be careful what you wish for! We are one of the most heavily penalised teams for repeat infringements.
 
I’m glad I’m not alone.

I don’t watch heaps of Fox. Do the commentators on there complain a lot, like they do on 9?

Btw, not sure what people are expecting from a Sharks v Storm game? It’s never going to be pretty to watch w those two teams.
 
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The ref issue either positive or negative can stop today, right now, if the players played within the rules and the coaches stopped coaching them to break the rules.

It really is that simple.

Do you honestly think 272 players will, for 80 minutes play 100% to the rules every single week?

Come on…. :crazy
 
I don't care what happens but all I know is at the moment I'm not enjoying watching rugby league!!!!

The refs heads are spinning at the moment, last night's Jackson incident is a perfect example of the ref being caught in two minds, he called Jackson out to lay down the law which held up the attacking teams momentum but then wanted to cover it by quickly restarting play which of course left poor Jackson in no man's land.
Two weeks in a row now we've had the ref admitting and apologising for making a mistake that cost both teams 2 points.
This is what happens when you try to be perfect, this is what happens when you want to pull up every minor infringement but at the same time let the game flow.

We have to decide what we as fans want football to be.
Do we want it free flowing and open and a battle of the fittest and most skillful or do we want it slow and stop start full of penalties for every little minor infringement?

If we want it free flowing we have to be ok with refs overlooking the little things, as long as it goes both ways.

If I lived in Sydney there's no way I'd be spending my $ to go and watch the type of football that we're seeing, this isn't a matter of "we'll the players will get it eventually"
Ask yourself do you want the brand of football that they're trying to create?
Even if the players adapt and the refs don't have to blow the pea out of it anymore, do we want what that game looks like?
I know I don't. I'm pretty sure if most thought about it they won't either.

If the crowds start dropping off, you'll soon see these penalties reduce, we the fans have the power to change this, don't consume the product if it tastes bad and right now it's putrid!!!!
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Here's an idea, let's just play games with no ref and then have the officials decide who won by sitting in a studio watching the replay in slow motion and deduct points for every try scored that there was an infringement prior to.
Whoever ends up with the most points wins.
Is that how we want it to be?
 
Rugby League was slowly killing itself. It was becoming boring and predictable.

Speeding the ruck up, keeping a decent 10 and increased fatigue will lead to better football and skillful players being rewarded.

As long as the refs are applying the rules consistently, to both teams equally regardless of the time in the game or field position, then I do not care what some of the talking heads have to say.

You cannot continue to have 30 penalties a game, but the refs should not back down. If the players and coaches aren't learning, up the ante and start binning players. 10 on 11 will open the game up.

I think this is short term pain for the long term benefit of the game. How short term it is depends on the players & coaches.
 
The hope is that eventually the game improves but watching the crackdown is painful.
Ironically - in an effort to produce a free flowing, open game - we are seeing a stop/start penalty fest. We can only hope the players and coaches can comply sooner rather than later because at this stage it's like watching Union where they can find a technical penalty at every ruck.
As much as I enjoy watching us win, I'm finding the high penalty counts incredibly annoying.
 
Its like watching Rugby Union. Thats what you will get a game won on penalties, no free flowing play and people hating the refs more than they do now.
When the refs are the focus of the game we have a problem.
 
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Just wondering why this year suddenly the way Melbourne play the game is no longer acceptable!

Because the NRL don't want them to win the premiership this year - would upset their level playing field myth.
 

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