Referendum 2023

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TillLindemann said:
Last time I checked there were political parties representing every single electorate in the country.

You'd be entirely wrong then.

"A recent RFDS report highlighted the huge gaps in life expectancy of people in the most remote areas of the country, where in 2020 females died on average 19 years younger than their counterparts in major cities, with the figure standing at 13.9 years for males."

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newsGP - Huge disadvantages for rural patients exposed

New details in an already concerning picture have emerged in research carried out on behalf of the National Rural Health Alliance.
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Who do you suppose lives in very remote areas? Which ethnic group?
 
I’m not understanding this argument that the voice would only be so for the ‘elite/ educated’ indigenous people (as if they shouldn’t be entitled to a say). It’s an in principle question, the nuts and bolts still to be determined and changed if required by future legislatures.
 
WestsEffTheRest said:
I never said it will bro I just think dealing with these issues that effect all Australians rather then Aboriginals are currently more important.
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Both are important bro. And as Yoss stated the
1st nations are the most disenfranchised
community. Have been for some time. I think
it's pretty shameful personally. A lot of folks
seem to be really cavalier about this point...
I went to NZ and was stunned at the difference
between the indigenous community & maōri
community — we haven't even had a treaty here.
The coexistence between the anglos and maōri
is worlds apart compared to here. Embarrassing
 
Yossarian said:
Who do you suppose lives in very remote areas? Which ethnic group?
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Rural Australia typically has higher than national average white Australians, and higher than national average indigenous Australians. And in both cases the life expectancy, incomes, education, and other similar metrics significantly underperform those of more privileged Australians (of whatever race) who live in cities.
 
Jux said:
I’m not understanding this argument that the voice would only be so for the ‘elite/ educated’ indigenous people (as if they shouldn’t be entitled to a say). It’s an in principle question, the nuts and bolts still to be determined and changed if required by future legislatures.
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Yeah haha, not like Warren Mundine and Jacinta
Nampijinpa-Price aren't elite anyway. It's a laugh
 
TillLindemann said:
Rural Australia typically has higher than national average white Australians, and higher than national average indigenous Australians. And in both cases the life expectancy, incomes, education, and other similar metrics significantly underperform those of more privileged Australians (of whatever race) who live in cities.
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You’re saying rural Australians have lower health outcomes than Indigenous Australians?
 
Kaito said:
Both are important bro. And as Yoss stated the
1st nations are the most disenfranchised
community. Have been for some time. I think
it's pretty shameful personally. A lot of folks
seem to be really cavalier about this point...
I went to NZ and was stunned at the difference
between the indigenous community & maōri
community — we haven't even had a treaty here.
The coexistence between the anglos and maōri
is worlds apart compared to here. Embarrassing
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Can you give me an explanation as to how this referendum will help Aboriginals? I'm genuinely asking mate because I've done quite a bit of research & the info from people advocating for it has been very vague. I just struggle to vote yes for something that isn't guaranteed to work. It's also costing the country quite a bit of money when that money can be used actually making a change for everyone out there struggling.
 
WestsEffTheRest said:
Can you give me an explanation as to how this referendum will help Aboriginals? I'm genuinely asking mate because I've done quite a bit of research & the info from people advocating for it has been very vague. I just struggle to vote yes for something that isn't guaranteed to work. It's also costing the country quite a bit of money when that money can be used actually making a change for everyone out there struggling.
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Not being funny but there's plenty of info out
there that will answer your questions. I think
you've been looking in the wrong places haha
or not looking at all. Vote as you please...
 
Yossarian said:
Sure. Who’s saying they’re not? But the fact remains Indigenous Australians have poorer health and life expectancy indicators compared to comparable non-indigenous in any measurable circumstances.
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He never said they didn't. You missed his original point from point blank.

If you want to start opening up health outcome discussions, are we going to ignore the accountability elephant in the room?

Or is this just another episode of 'everything is someone else's fault'?

Back to the original point of this thread, as far as I'm concerned, nothing should ever be more obvious than to allow, and enshrine in law, the right for indigenous Australians to be be consulted on decisions that affect their communities, however, Labor and the Pro-Yes movement have done themselves and the cause the biggest disservice possible by the lack of simplistic transperancy, so much so that many would-be yes voters hold reservations due to the ambiguity of the language around this decision, completely removed from any influence from the NO camp.

The uncertainty of voters' confidence and the failing YES projected numbers falls solely at the feet of the Labor government and their 'devil is in the details' ignorance.
 
I don’t know, maybe I’m becoming more cynical in my advanced years, but did anyone else think a major news network putting out a story on who owns Balmoral Beach was too clever by half.
 
I don't like getting involved in political debate but may have some insight that could help.

I lived in a remote Indigenous community in Arnhem land for many years. My kids grew up out there. I've visited and worked in many more. Traditional communities, hunting, ceremonies, with English often being the third or fourth language. I have Indigenous family, work with Indigenous colleagues/friends on projects. My wife grew up on Groote Eylandt. I've lived in the Top End for over 25 years.

I'm voting yes. It makes the most sense. Ignore the fear-mongering. Coming from the communities, a voice to parliament is just more political stuff but at least it's something. To many of my Indigenous friends and family, it is very meaningful.
 
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