Referendum 2023

[Tim Sheens]

Good content bar the last paragraph.
State your case, don’t rip the other side down.

Oh come on, their slogan is "Don't Know Vote No", which is literally, if you are ignorant, vote no.

 

[Tucker]

Oh come on, their slogan is "Don't Know Vote No", which is literally, if you are ignorant, vote no.

I don’t like that, it’s far too simplistic.
There are other factors that can be used to back up a no decision as have been discussed in this thread.

 

[crazycat]

Have no time for politicians that try to treat the voting public as fools.

Can see a valid argument for citizen initiated referenda to be held at the same time as general elections are held so that there is no additional, or little additional cost to the tax payer at the time.

Why cost is always the issue raised here with Citizen Referendum?

Seriously, why?

Yes there is some cost in asking the questions... As you say we can just run this parallel to elections most of the time.

Ultimately... WERE IN CONTROL.
We should be in control, it's our Democracy and our country.
Ofcourse there is going to be some cost, but were the bosses and we deserve to be asked about a lot more decisions.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Why cost is always the issue raised here with Citizen Referendum?

Seriously, why?

Yes there is some cost in asking the questions... As you say we can just run this parallel to elections most of the time.

Ultimately... WERE IN CONTROL.
We should be in control, it's our Democracy and our country.
Ofcourse there is going to be some cost, but were the bosses and we deserve to be asked about a lot more decisions.

To be honest in this day and age with smartphones computers and the like there isn't as much need for representative democracy acting as a proxy for us.

We could all vote electronically on most issues bypassing the need for politicians in many cases.

At the very least many more frequent referendums and plebiscites generating real buy in from the public creating a more enfranchised electorate.

But I suppose that would largely mean the end of corruption and outside interference in our affairs not to mention real issues would need to be addressed head on instead of destructive and distractive ones.

 

[Siberian Kitten]

We already have 3278 Aboriginal corporations
243 Native title bodies
48 land councils
35 regional councils
122 Aboriginal agencies
3 advisory bodies
145 health organisations
11 indigenous federal MPs
$33 billion annually in funding

This post deserves another airing. It's not only relevant, but a bit mind-boggling. There's obviously tons of advice being given to government at all levels about Aboriginal issues.

Either the advice doesn't work or it's not being adopted. The above should be more than enough.

 

[Kaito]

This post deserves another airing. It's not only relevant, but a bit mind-boggling. There's obviously tons of advice being given to government at all levels about Aboriginal issues.

Either the advice doesn't work or it's not being adopted. The above should be more than enough.

It's decentralised, that's always been the issue.
Pulling strings from all sides has been an issue

 

[Tucker]

This post deserves another airing. It's not only relevant, but a bit mind-boggling. There's obviously tons of advice being given to government at all levels about Aboriginal issues.

Either the advice doesn't work or it's not being adopted. The above should be more than enough.

250 mobs with multiple clans within each are going to put a lot of pressure on the services. I’d like to see how one representative body will manage to pull all these wants and ideas together to provide an advisory voice to parliament. They’ll need a huge staff just to get around them all.

 

[Kaito]

Marcia Langton winning friends and influencing people

‘Racist or just stupid’: Professor Marcia Langton’s attack on opponents of Indigenous Voice to Parliament

The Australian has backtracked. Another bold
face lie and smear. She wasn't addressing voters.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701528277339557996

 

[Tucker]

It's decentralised, that's always been the issue.
Pulling strings from all sides has been an issue

The squeaky wheel always gets the oil.
Inner city and semi rural wheels squeak louder.

 

[Tucker]

The Australian has backtracked. Another bold
face lie and smear. She wasn't addressing voters.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701528277339557996

Can’t read that, what does it say?

 

[Kaito]

This in response to a now deleted post
from someone but you get the picture.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701466605467927035

 

[Kaito]

Can’t read that, what does it say?

What cant you read, want me to screenshot it?

 

[Tucker]

The Australian has backtracked. Another bold
face lie and smear. She wasn't addressing voters.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701528277339557996

Where does it say The Australian has backtracked? That’s the opinion from a reporter at The Gaurdian

 

[Tucker]

What cant you read, want me to screenshot it?

All good, I got it.

 

[jadtiger]

The Australian has backtracked. Another bold
face lie and smear. She wasn't addressing voters.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701528277339557996

The Murdoch media as always pushing right wing agendas and lies as facts,no great shock there.

 

[Kaito]

Where does it say The Australian has backtracked? That’s the opinion from a reporter at The Gaurdian

They've gone ahead & deleted their headline,
not b4 it made prime time news & got bites though.

You don't have to agree with her comments
but it's nasty stuff again from no campaigners
& their mouth pieces propping up the status quo

 

[twentyforty]

This post deserves another airing. It's not only relevant, but a bit mind-boggling. There's obviously tons of advice being given to government at all levels about Aboriginal issues.

Either the advice doesn't work or it's not being adopted. The above should be more than enough.

Is it possible that the advice is in conflict with Aboriginal way of life ?if it’s not coming from Blackfellas then it may not be readily accepted?
The one thing we do know is of the hundreds of mobs, each mob wants what’s best for their mob and it may not always be the same.
Aboriginals have many leaders and activists but none so far have been able to bring people together for a common cause.

 

[Tucker]

They've gone ahead & deleted their headline,
not b4 it made prime time news & got bites though.

You don't have to agree with her comments
but it's nasty stuff again from no campaigners
& their mouth pieces propping up the status quo

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It depends on your interpretation.
I took it they she said if you look at arguments for the no campaign and pull them apart, they are either based in racism or just plain stupidity.
She isn’t just referring to the Liberals and other campaigners.
This woman has form.

 

[Kaito]

It depends on your interpretation.
I took it they she said if you look at arguments for the no campaign and pull them apart, they are either based in racism or just plain stupidity.
She isn’t just referring to the Liberals and other campaigners.
This woman has form.

Dunno man, Murdoch media/libs have form too.
Seems pretty black & white 2 me (pun intended)

 

[Tucker]

Dunno man, Murdoch media/libs have form too.
Seems pretty black & white 2 me (pun intended)

Irrespective, it didn’t need to be said. According to polls, the majority of the country agree with the NO Campaign. Playing the man rather than the topic through conspiracy theories and vile rhetoric won’t change peoples minds.
If they are getting this nasty 4 weeks out, we’re in for a hell of a ride.