Repeat Sets

[Madge]

It almost feels like we havent applied pressure through repeat sets all year. Do the halves not practice at training?

Anyone have the stats as to how many we have actually repeat sets we have gotten from kicks?

It was something Brooks was extremely good at in 2018 and 2019
Reynolds was quite consistent with it last year
Benji was doing it in the first few rounds of the year
Now it just non-existent.

 

[TigerVinnie]

I agree with this. It has become non existent in our game plan. I remember hearing the commentators say during the dogs game we are one of the best at scoring from within the opposition 20, if we learn to spend more time and camp down a team's end there is no doubt we would be able to score even more.

 

[05TIGZZ]

BecAuse we keep going for the mid field bomb that opposition full backs love, rather then kicking to the sideline and putting the pressure on .

 

[jrtiger]

not even just repeat sets, our last tackle options have been horrendous for months. Brooks's form as well as Marshall's complete lack of being able to manage a game has killed us and enabled teams to get on the front foot when they start their sets. hopefully this is addressed in recruitment, or even a halves coach/consultant

 

[jirskyr]

We have to get close enough to the line to kick for a repeat set. Frankly against Dogs, it was either score or kicking from near half-way.

Dogs forced 1 dropout, it wasn't that kind of game, and both sides had pretty good handling. Both sides bombed deep and had to work it out from 20m.

 

[Madge]

We have to get close enough to the line to kick for a repeat set. Frankly against Dogs, it was either score or kicking from near half-way.

Dogs forced 1 dropout, it wasn't that kind of game, and both sides had pretty good handling. Both sides bombed deep and had to work it out from 20m.

Not necessarily against the dogs, I’m not sure about the stats but for this year in general it seems as if we’ve barely gotten a repeat set and applied pressure through that Avenue.

 

[JC99]

Brooks has 3 forced dropouts, Reynolds the same and Benji 7. For comparison, Cleary has 20 and Moses has 18.

It’s a major issue, we are probably last for forced dropouts and it makes your forwards have to tackle twice as much which leaves them exhausted. We also don’t hold any good field position, it’s a wonder we have scored so many tries, we would score more if we were better at building pressure

 

[JC99]

Another interesting stat is that we are first for decoy runs, but 13th for support runs. Maybe we need less decoys and more support runners as it seems we have barely anyone doing it sometimes.

 

[gallagher]

Another interesting stat is that we are first for decoy runs, but 13th for support runs. Maybe we need less decoys and more support runners as it seems we have barely anyone doing it sometimes.

And just more runs

 

[Bones]

Another interesting stat is that we are first for decoy runs, but 13th for support runs. Maybe we need less decoys and more support runners as it seems we have barely anyone doing it sometimes.

That’s a good point. How many times against the Dogs did LL make a half break and stand there looking for an offload only to find nobody supporting?

The repeat sets are also a good point but it’s a bit of a chicken and egg scenario. I would guess we spend far less time in the opposition 20 so have less chances of repeat sets, but If you get the repeat sets you spend more time in the 20.

I’m pretty sure the commentators mentioned on the weekend that we have the best strike rate of tries scored per tackles inside the opposition 20 so that probably contributes as well.

 

[AdelaideTiger]

Brooks has 3 forced dropouts, Reynolds the same and Benji 7. For comparison, Cleary has 20 and Moses has 18.

It’s a major issue, we are probably last for forced dropouts and it makes your forwards have to tackle twice as much which leaves them exhausted. We also don’t hold any good field position, it’s a wonder we have scored so many tries, we would score more if we were better at building pressure

It's not just the fact that we don't get repeat sets, it's the double impact of also giving up 7 tackle sets over and over again. This has been a big issue since the 7 tackle sets came in, Brooks is bad but Marshall is by far the worst offender. It should be a cardinal sin to give up a 7 tackle set, akin to a late set penalty or a mistake after scoring, and yet we give up multiple per game with no signs of change. This is a training issue, they should be putting in the work to get the muscle memory of not putting attacking kicks long, it's the biggest coach killer at the moment for my mind.

 

[the_third]

We have 21 forced drop outs in 7th place. Panthers way in front at 42, broncos last on 11

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/stats/teams?category=kicking&sortBy=forcedDropOuts

 

[Geo]

We have 21 forced drop outs in 7th place. Panthers way in front at 42, broncos last on 11

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/stats/teams?category=kicking&sortBy=forcedDropOuts

So in the top half..lol

 

[tigerbalm]

hard to get a repeat set with a midfield bomb being the go to play for tackle 5.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Apply pressure without the ball through aggressive defence. We suck at that because we have players in the team who either fail to learn from previous defensive errors or are lazy and happy to let their team mates do the work.

 

[OzLuke]

We have 21 forced drop outs in 7th place. Panthers way in front at 42, broncos last on 11

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/stats/teams?category=kicking&sortBy=forcedDropOuts

So in the top half..lol

at least we aren't 9th in that category

 

[Geo]

We have 21 forced drop outs in 7th place. Panthers way in front at 42, broncos last on 11

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/stats/teams?category=kicking&sortBy=forcedDropOuts

So in the top half..lol

at least we aren't 9th in that category

Ahead of the Storm Manly and the Rorters..they must suck

 

[OzLuke]

We have 21 forced drop outs in 7th place. Panthers way in front at 42, broncos last on 11

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/stats/teams?category=kicking&sortBy=forcedDropOuts

So in the top half..lol

at least we aren't 9th in that category

Ahead of the Storm Manly and the Rorters..they must suck

We're not first....clearly we are rancid.....

 

[JC99]

We have 21 forced drop outs in 7th place. Panthers way in front at 42, broncos last on 11

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/stats/teams?category=kicking&sortBy=forcedDropOuts

Really? That’s mega surprising. They must’ve been at the start of the season mostly.

 

[JC99]

Brooks has 3 forced dropouts, Reynolds the same and Benji 7. For comparison, Cleary has 20 and Moses has 18.

It’s a major issue, we are probably last for forced dropouts and it makes your forwards have to tackle twice as much which leaves them exhausted. We also don’t hold any good field position, it’s a wonder we have scored so many tries, we would score more if we were better at building pressure

It's not just the fact that we don't get repeat sets, it's the double impact of also giving up 7 tackle sets over and over again. This has been a big issue since the 7 tackle sets came in, Brooks is bad but Marshall is by far the worst offender. It should be a cardinal sin to give up a 7 tackle set, akin to a late set penalty or a mistake after scoring, and yet we give up multiple per game with no signs of change. This is a training issue, they should be putting in the work to get the muscle memory of not putting attacking kicks long, it's the biggest coach killer at the moment for my mind.

You’re right Benji often kicks the ball dead and it’s a huge penalty, 20 metres tap and 7 tackles you’re often defending your line at the end of it. Halves need to step up