Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....

[GNR4LIFE]

Anyone hear about a possible player swap with the Dragons? Farah in exchange with Mitch Rein? I wouldn't be against that as MItch Rein would rank in the top 5 hookers in the comp this yr IMO

 

[Tigersman]

Anyone hear about a possible player swap with the Dragons? Farah in exchange with Mitch Rein? I wouldn't be against that as MItch Rein would rank in the top 5 hookers in the comp this yr IMO

No way in the world!!! We have Cherrington for god sakes… If I was gonna swap Farah it would be for a damn good Back-Rower.

 

[benji_6]

Anyone hear about a possible player swap with the Dragons? Farah in exchange with Mitch Rein? I wouldn't be against that as MItch Rein would rank in the top 5 hookers in the comp this yr IMO

I read it on twitter. Agro the dragon or something like that reckons he has inside info. He then asked the lurker but there is no way I think its true

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[goldcoast_tiger]

I reckon it was moss call to cut farah… And I bet he would of presented the board and Taylor lots of facts to back up his decision.

Marina's alleged partner said it was the Coaches, don't know where he'd get the info though :laughing:

I'm sure the gm of football had some input.

You might be right. But that's not what what was said by her partner on Facebook.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Sorry batboy, crap comparison.
Cameron is one a salary cap cheat, two has top quality players around him always ie; state of origin, cronk, slater, inglis, belamy, etc, etc.
Hardly fair comparison to our young side and the crap rejects we have not to mention our great coach!!!
Farah has out played Cameron when they play each other at club level, more times than I can remember. Cameron smith has a very high opinion of Farah, it was probably his comments that got Farah picked for SOO.
Also when Farah signed the contract he was playing at that level, so not fair to compare the last few seasons when Taylor has instructed him to not play his normal game.

I'm not going to go as far as batboy and say Farah has been crap for 4 years, but Cameron Smith is in comfortably better form than Farah and has been for about 2 years.

Perhaps in 2007-2011 you'd have a strong argument, Farah was top of his game, but Smith is still there and Farah is not.

Don't get me wrong, I love Farah and I don't like Smith, but you are in a very small rugby league minority if you think Farah is performing anywhere near the level of Cameron Smith for the last few years.

No offence, but read the post how would smith be going at Newcastle? Average!
More importantly how would he go under the great maestro 'Taylor' . Being hamstrung told how to play, just pass the ball, etc, etc…
He would have his ass...
You are comparing apples to oranges, again not fair!
I admit farah hasn't been playing well the past few years, but I think for some valid reasons. If he had a descent coach that encouraged him or dare I say motivate him, things would be different!
As mentioned before by someone else farah has muffed up or overplayed his hand due to low options from our halves!

So that's this year, what about the inconsistent and sub standard form the years prior?

You mention apples to oranges, Sheens, Potter and Taylor are exactly that. All are vastly different coaches and have very different ways of dealing with the players, 2 of which didn't try and hold Farah back also.

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[lathami]

Sorry batboy, crap comparison.
Cameron is one a salary cap cheat, two has top quality players around him always ie; state of origin, cronk, slater, inglis, belamy, etc, etc.
Hardly fair comparison to our young side and the crap rejects we have not to mention our great coach!!!
Farah has out played Cameron when they play each other at club level, more times than I can remember. Cameron smith has a very high opinion of Farah, it was probably his comments that got Farah picked for SOO.
Also when Farah signed the contract he was playing at that level, so not fair to compare the last few seasons when Taylor has instructed him to not play his normal game.

I'm not going to go as far as batboy and say Farah has been crap for 4 years, but Cameron Smith is in comfortably better form than Farah and has been for about 2 years.

Perhaps in 2007-2011 you'd have a strong argument, Farah was top of his game, but Smith is still there and Farah is not.

Don't get me wrong, I love Farah and I don't like Smith, but you are in a very small rugby league minority if you think Farah is performing anywhere near the level of Cameron Smith for the last few years.

No offence, but read the post how would smith be going at Newcastle? Average!
More importantly how would he go under the great maestro 'Taylor' . Being hamstrung told how to play, just pass the ball, etc, etc…
He would have his ass...
You are comparing apples to oranges, again not fair!
I admit farah hasn't been playing well the past few years, but I think for some valid reasons. If he had a descent coach that encouraged him or dare I say motivate him, things would be different!
As mentioned before by someone else farah has muffed up or overplayed his hand due to low options from our halves!

So that's this year, what about the inconsistent and sub standard form the years prior?

You mention apples to oranges, Sheens, Potter and Taylor are exactly that. All are vastly different coaches and have very different ways of dealing with the players, 2 of which didn't try and hold Farah back also.

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Fair point with sheens, but our team at this point was ageing and in a bit if a hole!
Potters time u can't count as he did hamper him there was lots of in fighting, which did affect his game.
Look at SOO that year farah was almost the best player on field and of the series! That shows he still had it, just a crap coach in potter couldn't bring it out….
Just remember after sheens we were buying cheap basement coaches! As I have said before cam smith wouldn't have put up with these last two idiot coaches either.
A seasoned established descent coach would of embraced farah not stifled him.
It gets me annoyed that JT tells him to play a crap way all year, then when it isn't working he gives him the flick. Making him look worse than he really is. At a really crap time of the year, why didn't he tell him during the first half of thè season?

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Anyone hear about a possible player swap with the Dragons? Farah in exchange with Mitch Rein? I wouldn't be against that as MItch Rein would rank in the top 5 hookers in the comp this yr IMO

Now I have read everything. A huge critic of Farah suggesting Mitch Rein. Dragons fans would have paid you to take him earlier in the year. Please stop the Farah bashing, your view on Rein proves you have absolutely no idea.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Anyone hear about a possible player swap with the Dragons? Farah in exchange with Mitch Rein? I wouldn't be against that as MItch Rein would rank in the top 5 hookers in the comp this yr IMO

Now I have read everything. A huge critic of Farah suggesting Mitch Rein. Dragons fans would have paid you to take him earlier in the year. Please stop the Farah bashing, your view on Rein proves you have absolutely no idea.

It's almost as if you're taking this "Farah bashing" personally. I'm not going to get into a useless back and forth about Rein, but seriously the paranoia and over protectiveness about Farah when somebody doesn't state anything less than what a club legend he is getting out of hand.

 

[TrueTiger]

Anyone hear about a possible player swap with the Dragons? Farah in exchange with Mitch Rein? I wouldn't be against that as MItch Rein would rank in the top 5 hookers in the comp this yr IMO

Now I have read everything. A huge critic of Farah suggesting Mitch Rein. Dragons fans would have paid you to take him earlier in the year. Please stop the Farah bashing, your view on Rein proves you have absolutely no idea.

You're so over sensitive and protective it's ridiculous. All most like you're taking this "Farah bashing" personally.

You know what guys,everyone can speculate and make suggestions on what is going to happen to Farah,who we can swap him for etc etc..but when the crunch comes about WHY Farah has been shown the door and why we have this thread,we won't know until the truth comes out.We all have input and theories as to why this has happened,myself included,wether you love Farah or you don't,there must be a reason and blaming Taylor blindly without the facts or to blame Farah without the facts,then it is only hearsay and you may as well try and pee against the wind,it will achieve little except dampen the theory….

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

At some point the 'why' of it won't matter anymore- if it ever really did.

The 'fact' as far as I can see it is- the coach has the authority, granted by the board, to make this call. And he did. It's been happening in clubs since the salary cap was brought in. And only on very few occasions has a player made a huge issue of it.

This is one of those occasions.

I like Farah as a player- but I have to admit he hasn't been doing much to stem the flow of averageness in this club the last 3 years. He's been the 'key player' for this club during that time & if you look at it objectively, you'd have to say he hasn't proven to be 'worth' the kind of money he'll command on this contract.

The speculation to his role in removing coaches is just that- speculation. Without facts, it's all just theories.

But the board- who have taken over a club that has floundered for many years- have made a decision on a coach, Taylor- no matter if you like it or not. Clearly he had something to offer that they liked. It's very ignorant to just claim he was signed because he was 'cheapest'. You'd have to think his price tag would not have exceeded either Mick Potter's before him, or guys like Walters & Brown. He had previous 1st grade experience & had come from a strong club prior to us.

The club has made a choice, like nearly every other NRL club has made in the last 5-6 years, to let a player go. It happens ALL THE TIME. Just on this occasion, the player is acting very unprofessionally in response to it. That is on Farah.

Benji also acted very unprofessionally prior to his release.

Gibbs & Beau Ryan continue to be unprofessional.

Maybe it's time the Tigers took a big step away from that group of players that came through Tim Sheens' reign, who seem to have a certain amount of belief in their own entitlement, and try to forge a strong culture in the club?

The last remaining remanents of the 2005 group are just about out the door. And Farah is the last piece.

He's been a great player for the Tigers, and I don't doubt that he's a very loyal Tigers man. But for the better of the club, in the near future at least, the culture needs to change. And it simply won't happen when a man with the emotional influence over the younger players, like Farah reportedly does, who embodies the previous culture of the club, is still on the roster.

the Tigers might be poorer, short term, by losing Robbie Farah. But, if Taylor can get the young group of players left behind to buy into a more structured, professional attitude & set-up as a result, then it's a move that needs to be made.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

JT definitely wasn't the cheapest, certainly some revisionist history there. Potter may have been, Taylor wasn't.

 

[ghost]

Ive come to terms with the fact that he is gone.

This isnt the boards fault, they are just backing the coach up….which they have to do i guess.

I hope Cherrington kills it.....and I hope Robbie,wherever he is absolutely slays it. He deserves to go out on top!

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Ive come to terms with the fact that he is gone.

This isnt the boards fault, they are just backing the coach up….which they have to do i guess.

I hope Cherrington kills it.....and I hope Robbie,wherever he is absolutely slays it. He deserves to go out on top!

Agreed… Robbie does deserve to leave the game as a champion and I also wish him well.

I still get a smile when Benji has a good game.

Both will forever be in our minds regardless where they are playing [except when playing for the kiwis & NSW.. I hope they get smashed!]

 

[Tigermama]

Ive come to terms with the fact that he is gone.

This isnt the boards fault, they are just backing the coach up….which they have to do i guess.

I hope Cherrington kills it.....and I hope Robbie,wherever he is absolutely slays it. He deserves to go out on top!

Agreed… Robbie does deserve to leave the game as a champion and I also wish him well.

I still get a smile when Benji has a good game.

Both will forever be in our minds regardless where they are playing [except when playing for the kiwis & NSW.. I hope they get smashed!]

Totally agree TW! Once a champion -always a -champ.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Ive come to terms with the fact that he is gone.

This isnt the boards fault, they are just backing the coach up….which they have to do i guess.

I hope Cherrington kills it.....and I hope Robbie,wherever he is absolutely slays it. He deserves to go out on top!

Agreed… Robbie does deserve to leave the game as a champion and I also wish him well.

I still get a smile when Benji has a good game.

Both will forever be in our minds regardless where they are playing [except when playing for the kiwis & NSW.. I hope they get smashed!]

Well said and same for me TW.

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[happy_tiger]

Anyone hear about a possible player swap with the Dragons? Farah in exchange with Mitch Rein? I wouldn't be against that as MItch Rein would rank in the top 5 hookers in the comp this yr IMO

I read it on twitter. Agro the dragon or something like that reckons he has inside info. He then asked the lurker but there is no way I think its true

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Question

Why does a bloke with inside info need to confirm it with the Lurker :laughing:

I wait until I hear the same thing from 3 separate sources before I mention something

So far in regards to Farah I have heard he will be a Rabbitoh , a Knight , A Dog , An Eagle ,A Warrior and a Titan :roll

 

[Spartan117]

We have Cherrington and Liddle. We don't need a hooker in return.

I cant wait till it is all over

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

So far in regards to Farah I have heard he will be a Rabbitoh , a Knight , A Dog , An Eagle ,A Warrior and a Titan :roll

…..and a reserve grader.

 

[Telltails]

At some point the 'why' of it won't matter anymore- if it ever really did.

The 'fact' as far as I can see it is- the coach has the authority, granted by the board, to make this call. And he did. It's been happening in clubs since the salary cap was brought in. And only on very few occasions has a player made a huge issue of it.

This is one of those occasions.

I like Farah as a player- but I have to admit he hasn't been doing much to stem the flow of averageness in this club the last 3 years. He's been the 'key player' for this club during that time & if you look at it objectively, you'd have to say he hasn't proven to be 'worth' the kind of money he'll command on this contract.

The speculation to his role in removing coaches is just that- speculation. Without facts, it's all just theories.

But the board- who have taken over a club that has floundered for many years- have made a decision on a coach, Taylor- no matter if you like it or not. Clearly he had something to offer that they liked. It's very ignorant to just claim he was signed because he was 'cheapest'. You'd have to think his price tag would not have exceeded either Mick Potter's before him, or guys like Walters & Brown. He had previous 1st grade experience & had come from a strong club prior to us.

The club has made a choice, like nearly every other NRL club has made in the last 5-6 years, to let a player go. It happens ALL THE TIME. Just on this occasion, the player is acting very unprofessionally in response to it. That is on Farah.

Benji also acted very unprofessionally prior to his release.

Gibbs & Beau Ryan continue to be unprofessional.

Maybe it's time the Tigers took a big step away from that group of players that came through Tim Sheens' reign, who seem to have a certain amount of belief in their own entitlement, and try to forge a strong culture in the club?

The last remaining remanents of the 2005 group are just about out the door. And Farah is the last piece.

He's been a great player for the Tigers, and I don't doubt that he's a very loyal Tigers man. But for the better of the club, in the near future at least, the culture needs to change. And it simply won't happen when a man with the emotional influence over the younger players, like Farah reportedly does, who embodies the previous culture of the club, is still on the roster.

the Tigers might be poorer, short term, by losing Robbie Farah. But, if Taylor can get the young group of players left behind to buy into a more structured, professional attitude & set-up as a result, then it's a move that needs to be made.

Some valid points Chadmans Ghost seems to be the new approach to players that have served you well in more clubs than just ours. Just remember though with that comes the repercussions of players chasing the dollar/success with no loyalty whatsoever.. So the message has been sent to Tedesco, Moses, Woods, Brooks Tapau and whoever else generates an offer from another club - look after yourselves first. Terrible culture Robbie represented to the young players - committed, loyal, successful, intelligent, educated, oh yeah but he has got an ego and gets angry when he loses. The problem more likely that they respect him more than the coach likes.

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

At some point the 'why' of it won't matter anymore- if it ever really did.

The 'fact' as far as I can see it is- the coach has the authority, granted by the board, to make this call. And he did. It's been happening in clubs since the salary cap was brought in. And only on very few occasions has a player made a huge issue of it.

This is one of those occasions.

I like Farah as a player- but I have to admit he hasn't been doing much to stem the flow of averageness in this club the last 3 years. He's been the 'key player' for this club during that time & if you look at it objectively, you'd have to say he hasn't proven to be 'worth' the kind of money he'll command on this contract.

The speculation to his role in removing coaches is just that- speculation. Without facts, it's all just theories.

But the board- who have taken over a club that has floundered for many years- have made a decision on a coach, Taylor- no matter if you like it or not. Clearly he had something to offer that they liked. It's very ignorant to just claim he was signed because he was 'cheapest'. You'd have to think his price tag would not have exceeded either Mick Potter's before him, or guys like Walters & Brown. He had previous 1st grade experience & had come from a strong club prior to us.

The club has made a choice, like nearly every other NRL club has made in the last 5-6 years, to let a player go. It happens ALL THE TIME. Just on this occasion, the player is acting very unprofessionally in response to it. That is on Farah.

Benji also acted very unprofessionally prior to his release.

Gibbs & Beau Ryan continue to be unprofessional.

Maybe it's time the Tigers took a big step away from that group of players that came through Tim Sheens' reign, who seem to have a certain amount of belief in their own entitlement, and try to forge a strong culture in the club?

The last remaining remanents of the 2005 group are just about out the door. And Farah is the last piece.

He's been a great player for the Tigers, and I don't doubt that he's a very loyal Tigers man. But for the better of the club, in the near future at least, the culture needs to change. And it simply won't happen when a man with the emotional influence over the younger players, like Farah reportedly does, who embodies the previous culture of the club, is still on the roster.

the Tigers might be poorer, short term, by losing Robbie Farah. But, if Taylor can get the young group of players left behind to buy into a more structured, professional attitude & set-up as a result, then it's a move that needs to be made.

Some valid points Chadmans Ghost seems to be the new approach to players that have served you well in more clubs than just ours. Just remember though with that comes the repercussions of players chasing the dollar/success with no loyalty whatsoever.. So the message has been sent to Tedesco, Moses, Woods, Brooks Tapau and whoever else generates an offer from another club - look after yourselves first. Terrible culture Robbie represented to the young players - committed, loyal, successful, intelligent, educated, oh yeah but he has got an ego and gets angry when he loses. The problem more likely that they respect him more than the coach likes.

But that, Telltails, is just the 'fans view' of the situation. At no point has Taylor or the board said that Farah isn't committed, loyal, successful, intelligent or educated. In fact, they've not said a bad word about Robbie Farah as a player.

What we can glean from it is that there are most likely 2 factors driving this- financially the club needs to free up cash for now & the future (board driven) & that JT feels he needs to flush out the "Sheens Era" playing group- Farah, Galloway, Richards etc.

It's not that JT & the board have said these players are no good- but they have stated, many times, that the club needs a new culture. The best & most effective way to do that is to remove the elements of the previous culture that they are trying to move away from.

People might try to find where I'm critical of Farah, Galloway or Richards in that comment- but I'm not. I will just say that the playing group under Tim Sheens had a lot of sway on board decisions- either directly or indirectly. (I digress, but Tim Sheens previous clubs, post Tim Sheens have ALWAYS had a major rebuild required post Sheens).

The culture needs to change. The team attitude needs to change. They need to become more ruthless. It could just be that JT & his coaching staff feel they need to influence less 'developed' minds to instill this attitude.

It might be a WHOLE lot less sinister than people want it to be.