Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....

[The_Tooth]

I think its worth remembering that Manly got rid of Ballin for a few reasons. None of which the Tigers had reason to punt Farah. Its not a equal comparison imo.

From my recollection, correct me if I'm wrong:
Ballin was resigned by Manly during the 2015 year for another 2 years.
Then there was the Cherry Evans backflip which put pressure on their cap.
They signed 2 very good young hookers around the same time that they told Ballin to look elsewhere.
Ballin needs knee reconstruction.

They also signed the likes of Nate Myles, Lewis Brown and no doubt they were in discussions with Tapau for some time.

All that combined makes a very easy decision to let him go, even if its costing them some coin.
It would cost us alot more for Farah to play for another club and we don't even have any star signings to justify it.

 

[hammertime]

hmmertime
mate i agree with your sentiment 100%
i actually wrote something similar to this nearly 250 pages ago.
There was always a better way of handling this situation.
the two bulls needed to meet halfway and if the best for the club is what they truly want - it should never have got to this stage.

Thanks bobo. I knew you sounded like a smart bloke :slight_smile:
Frustrating that it continues to happen to our club.

I honestly wish they would work out a way to plug through this year then call it quits. The best will be if Robbie pursues the UK otherwise removing Taylor sends a really bad message to the juniors about accountability and respecting the hierarchy. But if it has to be Taylor, then so be it.

I just can't see this dragging on for 2 years. Every loss will focus on this.

 

[Black_n_White]

I think its worth remembering that Manly got rid of Ballin for a few reasons. None of which the Tigers had reason to punt Farah. Its not a equal comparison imo.

From my recollection, correct me if I'm wrong:
Ballin was resigned by Manly during the 2015 year for another 2 years.
Then there was the Cherry Evans backflip which put pressure on their cap.
They signed 2 very good young hookers around the same time that they told Ballin to look elsewhere.
Ballin needs knee reconstruction.

They also signed the likes of Nate Myles, Lewis Brown and no doubt they were in discussions with Tapau for some time.

All that combined makes a very easy decision to let him go, even if its costing them some coin.
It would cost us alot more for Farah to play for another club and we don't even have any star signings to justify it.

Neither of manlys hooking options, even combined have the quality of Cherrington, whom in his debut year in FG was also included in the Kiwis squad… and the clubs solidarity from top to bottom that shifting Farah on was worth the high price it was likely to cost us, speaks volumes itself.

Being soley a personality clash doesnt cut it, Taylor couldnt have swung it alone. Things would have to be bent well out of shape for the club to take this option.

 

[BuzzTiger]

Hope JT doesnt mind coaching NSW cup :laughing:

 

[Geo]

10 pages and almost 48hrs since Bulldogs 'exclusive' and nothing official yet from the Wests Tigers…I wonder what is holding things up....

 

[BuzzTiger]

so someone breaks into your house - eats your cat.
you shoot him….
but its all your fault -
you should have offered the guy some milk to digest the cat......

yes mate - thats the level of stupidity this is all at.

You become surplus to what the business deem they want/need and you get moved on. People get paid out their redundancies, upper echelon management get paid out their remaining contract periods. You forget this sport is professional. This happens every day in the real world.

yes mate - not 1 sane person has disagreed with this point ! !

its the manner in which it was done.
which has been and is the issue.

In which it was done? The club kept it behind closed doors until Farah's grub manager blew it up to the media! Apart from what Rocket said, which he was subsequently sacked for, up until Farah requested a release how did the club act unconscionably toward Farah?

The media circus lays at the feet of Ayoub, and by extension, Farah. You can slice that any which way you like, blame the club for it until you're blue in the face, but that is the reality of the situation.

Which genius personally tried to shop Robbie around? Ofcoarse the media were going to get wind of it.

JT has proven again why he is not an NRL standard coach.

 

[stevetiger]

If Taylor is sacked, especially before round 1 it will cement us as a laughing stock that will take 5 yrs to recover from. Our image will be even worse than when Hoppa was examining other players prostates. And lol @ Cleary, thinking a coach of his calibre would come anywhere near us. What coach would knowing the reigns that have been put on the previous 2 coaches and the petulant nature of the playing group. Btw, weren't we only negotiating with the Walker bros a month ago, what happened to them, not the flavour of the month anymore?

If Taylor or Robbie got the sack and we win 5 out of 10 games to start next season it will all be completely forgotten about.

If they need to sack Taylor they should do it.

 

[stevetiger]

keep swinging B&W

i and all the other commentators and stakeholders in the game must all be wrong.
we must be !
its simple … all of us are wrong in our assessment of this situation.

nice… bringing hear-say to a fact fight !

not suprised in the slightest your fantasy buckles under the weight of reality.

I think basically everything said about Robbie has also been hearsay. I love how these arguments seem to come about. Robbie and Ayoub are just ruining our club and pulling strings all over the place.

Robbie should have a new nickname - the puppet master.

Alternatively this has just been a terribly handled situation from Taylor and the board. That is what I think has happened.

 

[Goose]

keep swinging B&W

i and all the other commentators and stakeholders in the game must all be wrong.
we must be !
its simple … all of us are wrong in our assessment of this situation.

nice… bringing hear-say to a fact fight !

not suprised in the slightest your fantasy buckles under the weight of reality.

I think basically everything said about Robbie has also been hearsay. I love how these arguments seem to come about. Robbie and Ayoub are just ruining our club and pulling strings all over the place.

Robbie should have a new nickname - the puppet master.

Alternatively this has just been a terribly handled situation from Taylor and the board. That is what I think has happened.

Probably a bit of both.

Robbie has been around the club along time and probably has more pull than he should and prob did get 2 big for his boots.

How the club reacted to it was probably also poor.

Very often is life like the movies where there is a clear good guy and bad guy, normally we all ahve a bit of duality.

 

[BuzzTiger]

1\. Club gets new coach at start of 2015\. His name is Jason Taylor and he was once thrown out of the cricket at the SCG for beer-related boofheadery.
2\. Taylor steers Tigers to equal last ladder position in 2015, narrowly avoiding wooden spoon on percentages.
3\. At end of 2015 season, Tigers tell long-serving skipper Robbie Farah that he’s no longer wanted, that he’s free to negotiate with rival clubs and that he’ll play reserve grade if he sticks around in 2016.
4\. Tigers buy player to fill Farah’s position. Farah seeks employment elsewhere.
5\. Quest is unsuccessful.Club backflips.
6\. News Corp today reports that the Tigers will announce any moment now that Farah will play out his NRL career at Wests Tigers.That means Wests Tigers will now pay Farah his $1.9 million contract money for seasons 2016 and 2017.
7\. There are even reports that Wests Tigers will officially apologise to fans and members for the whole debacle, though there is unlikely to be an apology to Farah.
8\. So basically, we’re back where we started, minus a whole bunch of goodwill and newsprint.

 

[851]

Seems Tim Brasher is on Farah's side, quite a few quotes in this article.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/wests-tigers-coach-jason-taylor-faces-being-made-a-fool-over-robbie-farah-fiasco/story-fni3gpz1-1227630146895
UNDER-pressure Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor faces being made “a fool” if he dumps returning star Robbie Farah to NSW Cup next season.

The Daily Telegraph revealed exclusively on Tuesday that Farah would now remain at Concord for the final two years of his contract, despite a public fallout with Taylor.

Taylor now faces the ultimate dilemma — select Farah in the NRL side or dump him to reserve grade, as he has threatened.

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“This will be the biggest gamble of Jason Taylor’s coaching career,” said Tigers legend Ben Elias. “And if they want to embarrass themselves more, play him in reserve grade.

“If Taylor doesn’t pick Robbie and the team loses, he will be made to look like a fool. If he doesn’t pick Robbie and they win, Taylor will be a super hero.”

The development prompted ex-Balmain champion Tim Brasher to declare: “If Robbie is put in reserve grade, everyone is going to ridicule the coach even more. It’s not going to happen, it can’t happen.”
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West Tigers coach Jason Taylor is under pressure. Picture: Peter Lorimer
It is understood Wests Tigers will publicly announce Farah’s retention sometime this week. The cease fire ends three-months of ugly banter, speculation and headlines between the club and Farah, who was initially told he was free to negotiate with rival NRL clubs.

“There’s got to be some bad blood there — it’s going to be tough at training isn’t it?,” Brasher asked. “It (being picked in reserve grade) would be a massive and bitter pill for Robbie to swallow. He has done nothing wrong, he’s the good guy. If he is put in reserve grade, everyone is going to ridicule the coach even more. I’m not sure what Taylor was thinking or where he got his advice from.

“I hope Robbie goes out there and kicks arse and shows how good a player he is and how much the Tigers need him. You don’t have to like the coach. There have been coaches through everyone’s career who you don’t get on with. I think it’s horrible what they have done. Wests Tigers agreed to the deal and it’s not like Robbie is out of form. He is a Tiger through and through.”

Taylor has already indicated he may start Farah in NSW Cup, the likelihood increasing when Wests Tigers signed Manly’s Matt Ballin.

Ballin has no intentions of seeking any release now that Farah has agreed to stay.
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Robbie Farah in camp with the West Tigers. Picture: Peter Lorimer
“Has Taylor shot himself in the foot or will he turn out to be a hero?,” Elias asked. “I think they may pick Robbie in reserve grade if they lose their first few games.

“Taylor will have no bigger decision than where to play Robbie Farah. If he doesn’t select Robbie and Wests Tigers start badly, you’d think the coach would be under enormous pressure.”

The Daily Telegraph rang Taylor three times on Tuesday and texted him once. There was no reply.

Wests Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe — who helped broker peace between Farah and Taylor — was locked in strategy meetings all of Tuesday and was unavailable for comment.

“Robbie’s got a contract for two years and he’s rock-solid, stubborn and he’s not going to move,” Elias said.

“Every time I have had a conversation with Robbie Farah, he has always wanted to stay. He loves the club. They have to announce he is staying. There is no other option.

“This has been like Days of Our Lives. It’s been a saga.”

Farah is unlikely to re-seek the captaincy after relinquishing the role during this drama. His mate, Aaron Woods, is the new skipper.

“They have got him on the phones calling up sponsors and season ticket-holders to re-sign and then on the other hand they are trying to let go of him,” Elias said. “What the hell is happening? We have been very consistent with making rotten choices in recent years without considering any implications.”

 

[851]

It's amazing how many conclusions have been jumped to on here, through not so much as a few media beat up articles.. nothing has changed from the start. Farah was given permission to look around, a bloke who said something stupid was sacked and that's about all that has happened, that has been proven anyway, everything else, is BS… Unless proven. Do people not understand the way "news" reporters work? There are a few around that have been sucked in hook line and sinker...

Conclusions, the article has quotes from a former star player, I was letting fellow forum members have a read, don't know how you come to the believing scribes theory.

 

[rialto]

Taylor thought he'd get his way, Farah thought he'd get his.

They've both gone the power play and it's only served to shine the spotlight on them both far more intensely. If Farah has an off year and JT doesn't get results, it would well be curtains for them both.

IMO, both of them going would be the best result.

Don't agree with you this time CB. Taylor has put his career on the line and do what is in the best interest of the clubs future. He has shown determination and we need that right now. He deserves to stay.

 

[Blaze]

It's amazing how many conclusions have been jumped to on here, through not so much as a few media beat up articles.. nothing has changed from the start. Farah was given permission to look around, a bloke who said something stupid was sacked and that's about all that has happened, that has been proven anyway, everything else, is BS… Unless proven. Do people not understand the way "news" reporters work? There are a few around that have been sucked in hook line and sinker...

Conclusions, the article has quotes from a former star player, I was letting fellow forum members have a read, don't know how you come to the believing scribes theory.

Not sure what your post had to do with what I said, I was talking about people's point of view on this whole matter in general… I appreciate reading articles being posted here to read, people just need to know that unless it comes straight from the person/club involved, past players or anyone else for that matter are only expressing their opinion, is still hearsay...

 

[Geo]

It's amazing how many conclusions have been jumped to on here, through not so much as a few media beat up articles.. nothing has changed from the start. Farah was given permission to look around, a bloke who said something stupid was sacked and that's about all that has happened, that has been proven anyway, everything else, is BS… Unless proven. Do people not understand the way "news" reporters work? There are a few around that have been sucked in hook line and sinker...

Conclusions, the article has quotes from a former star player, I was letting fellow forum members have a read, don't know how you come to the believing scribes theory.

It's funny though…I remember when this first came out Brasher on FSN was one who actually supported the decision and to stick by Jason Taylor...

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/tim-brasher-explains-why-wests-tigers-must-side-with-jason-taylor-in-robbie-farah-power-struggle/story-e6frf3wu-1227531528260

Time changes opinions I guess....

 

[Tigermama]

I hate to dredge up the old ''true supporter'' card, but this is such a poor comment that it makes you question why people even support this club.

I don't agree with this outcome, but it doesn't mean im throwing my membership away. I was always renewing regardless of the outcome. Those holding the club to ransom over this should do everyone a favour and go away.

Agree to your sentiments wholeheartedly.

I just wish Farah goes. He doesn't love the club. If he does then he would've told his manager to shut up and keep everything in house. Even if he was treated the way he was, be the better man and take it on the chin and work it out. It can be done behind closed doors.

I hope whatever the outcome is good for the club not just one man.

He propably did cop one on the chin. But that would be his limit. How many would you cop before you start fighting back? Who's to say that Robbie and his management didn't try to be reasonable and work everything out confidentially ?
JT's lack of man-management skills, tried to bully him into leaving, pushed the envelope.
Pascoe comes in and straight away things seem better. It just shows that JT and the board should have handled the whole thing better then they did. Robbie's not at fault here. He's fighting for what's rightly his( financially) and his reputation. As for Robbie not loving the WT? You must be joking.

Apologies, I erred in saying that he doesn't love the club. He does love the club (as stated by him) but the actions of his manager (with his support) to involve the media - does that action show that he does love the club or just desperation? again everything could be dealt with behind closed doors. Didn't he think first before doing this because if you involve the media then the good name of the club will be dragged into the dirt. We don't need this, what we need is to talk about football.

I just don't get the "blame JT" for all this. I agree JT could've handled it better but he can't be everywhere to be able to police everything his staff does.

Fair enough 4J. Let's hope 2016 is a good one!

 

[rialto]

It's amazing how many conclusions have been jumped to on here, through not so much as a few media beat up articles.. nothing has changed from the start. Farah was given permission to look around, a bloke who said something stupid was sacked and that's about all that has happened, that has been proven anyway, everything else, is BS… Unless proven. Do people not understand the way "news" reporters work? There are a few around that have been sucked in hook line and sinker...

Conclusions, the article has quotes from a former star player, I was letting fellow forum members have a read, don't know how you come to the believing scribes theory.

It's funny though…I remember when this first came out Brasher on FSN was one who actually supported the decision and to stick by Jason Taylor...

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/tim-brasher-explains-why-wests-tigers-must-side-with-jason-taylor-in-robbie-farah-power-struggle/story-e6frf3wu-1227531528260

Time changes opinions I guess....

'Perhaps AYOUB AND CO had a hand in there somewhere? Just a BS leak here and there….....all in a good days work!

 

[rialto]

Know this is a bit off topic for this thread but pleased that Teddy is apparently 'VERY HAPPY WITH TAYLOR .' Good to read positive stuff about the club at the moment!

 

[Tigermama]

How many more times do people need to be told that Farah would have never been financially worse off? He had a contract with us and if he moved on he would have been paid out whatever shortfall remained from a new club's offer. Seems to be a regular reason for Farah digging in the heels.
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The only reason why he dug in is because he doesn't want to go. It was going to be handled away from the media and when Farah wasn't going to be able to negotiate his way into staying, his manager went public. The media crapstorm is a result of a d*** move by Farah's management, not the club. The only thing they did wrong was that an employee no longer with the club made an inappropriate comment about playing in reserve grade.

That employee was JT assistant coach. Chosen by him. Says a lot about the people he surrounded himself with doesn't it?
Bottom line is, that the whole thing's been handled badly and it falls on the coach and the board's shoulders. Only thing I've got to say is " Thank God it appears to be over"… Hopefully 😛ray:

Reddy was never an assistant coach. He was there to ease the way for players making the transition to NRL from the lower grades. Basically a nothing job.

Why would JT take him in, to an important meeting then? The mind boggles 😱pen_mouth:
In the WT site announcement, it lists Reddy, Cameron and Kidwel as the clubs three assistant coaches for 2015.

 

[851]

It's amazing how many conclusions have been jumped to on here, through not so much as a few media beat up articles.. nothing has changed from the start. Farah was given permission to look around, a bloke who said something stupid was sacked and that's about all that has happened, that has been proven anyway, everything else, is BS… Unless proven. Do people not understand the way "news" reporters work? There are a few around that have been sucked in hook line and sinker...

Conclusions, the article has quotes from a former star player, I was letting fellow forum members have a read, don't know how you come to the believing scribes theory.

It's funny though…I remember when this first came out Brasher on FSN was one who actually supported the decision and to stick by Jason Taylor...

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/tim-brasher-explains-why-wests-tigers-must-side-with-jason-taylor-in-robbie-farah-power-struggle/story-e6frf3wu-1227531528260

Time changes opinions I guess....

I wonder how many forum members have changed their opinion over the 300 plus pages ?