Round 1 team

@southerntiger said:
@Geo. said:
@southerntiger said:
I dont disagree with that just the assertion that because the Sharks were crap Lui's performance was not that good. You can only play the opposition in front of you. The Sharks may be an ordinary side but they still have some decent forwards who can make a tough hit on a young half. It sounds like Lui handled that with aplomb.

Which other NRL club is going to start the season with halves that they don't expect to be threr for the majority of the season?…Manly maybe...

Sheens has stated he doesn't want to rush Lui...so I'm expecting he will start the season and then go back to the 20's or State Cup just as he did with Moltzen in '08....

I don't see the logic especially in the crucial halves positions..where stability is key...

I can also see why Sheens will go down that path...it's a risk...IMO...

As I said, I dont disgaree with that. There are legitimate reasons why Lui should not be picked. Downplaying his performance against the Sharks, in my view, is not one of them if the person you are going to pick is Moltzen (who pkayed in the same and from what I have heard didnt really perform).

This actually comes back to one of my problems with Tim in the 7, his inability to organise and dominate a game. Like Lui, he is not a natural 7 and for this reason I am not a confident as others that he is a long term solution here.
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Your point about Moltzen is right. The thing with Tim is that i actually think with an organising half inside him, he'd be the best 5/8 this club has. Now im not saying he's a better player than Benji, just that with the right halfback, he'd be a better 5/8 than Benji. Should i start ducking?
 
1\. Moltzen (would rather he were at fullback and Lui or Taumata here)
2\. TUQIRI
3\. Ayshford
4\. Lawrence
5\. Ryan
6\. Marshall
7\. Lui (i would rather Moltzen)

8.Gibbs
9.Farrah
10.Galloway

11.Ellis
12.Fulton
13.Heighnington

14\. Cayless
15\. Payten
16\. Moors
17\. Mataka
 
Hard considering i didnt see the Sharks trial, but i did see the Roosters game, and the reports on the Sharks game were good, so:

1.Moltzen
2.Tuqiri
3.Ayshford
4.Lawrence'
5.Ryan
6.Marshall
7.Lui would need to really perform to retain his spot
13.Fulton
12.Mataka
11.Ellis
10.Gibbs
9\. Farah
8\. Galloway

14.Cayless
15.Payten
16.Moors
17.Heighington
 
@king sirro said:
Hard considering i didnt see the Sharks trial, but i did see the Roosters game, and the reports on the Sharks game were good, so:

1.Moltzen
2.Tuqiri
3.Ayshford
4.Lawrence'
5.Ryan
6.Marshall
7.Lui would need to really perform to retain his spot
13.Fulton
12.Mataka
11.Ellis
10.Gibbs
9\. Farah
8\. Galloway

14.Cayless
15.Payten
16.Moors
17.Heighington
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I'd like to see that side take the field….

Sheens on the other hand is more likely....

12\. Fulton
13\. Heighington

17\. Fitzherny...cause Lortay may need time to adjust to the pace...

Mataka>>>>>>>>State Cup.....

P.S. Agree..Re: Moltzen....
 
Mataka in front of the Rhino….....right.

Shame you didnt see his last game,he scored two tries,ran hard all day and tackled his ring off.
 
Heighno went well, he'll start. I'd like to see Mataka on the bench though. Not sure Payten will be right for round 1.
 
@simonthetiger said:
Mataka in front of the Rhino….....right.

Shame you didnt see his last game,he scored two tries,ran hard all day and tackled his ring off.
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Yeh the reports about his game against the Sharks is why i put him in the 17 otherwise i would have left him out all together. Hopefully he'll play like that against Manly and ill gladly have him starting. He'll be under a lot of pressure once Dwyer and Akeripa are fit, which is great for our club.
 
@simonthetiger said:
Mataka in front of the Rhino….....right.

Shame you didnt see his last game,he scored two tries,ran hard all day and tackled his ring off.
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I didn't see it. But it was against the Sharks, who are atrocious.. and he was bloody ordinary against the Roosters, that game I did see. But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.. hopefully it was just first game jitters against Easts, shaking off the rust etc. I'm not a Rhino hater, I'd love nothing more for him to get back to his best.. but if he drags his 2009 form into this season I'll be whistling a different tune. :wink:
 
@southerntiger said:
As I said, I dont disgaree with that. There are legitimate reasons why Lui should not be picked. Downplaying his performance against the Sharks, in my view, is not one of them if the person you are going to pick is Moltzen (who pkayed in the same and from what I have heard didnt really perform).

This actually comes back to one of my problems with Tim in the 7, his inability to organise and dominate a game. Like Lui, he is not a natural 7 and for this reason I am not a confident as others that he is a long term solution here.
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Moltzen is a better organiser than Lui ….IMO

Thing is though in OUR team Robbie and Benji Run the Show....Farah does most of the organising from dummy half for the first 4 shifting to the right of the field....then It's the Benji show down the left....That's been Sheens go since '07...

Unless you got Kimmorely or Thurstan as our halfback I can't see anyone in our roster that will dominate these two no matter what Number is on there back...

I think an X Factor could be Fulton ....know your not a fan... but he Attacks well down the right of the field..I see points in Farah/Fulton down that edge....
 
Lui touched the ball a lot against the Roosters, for better or worse he seemed more involved than Moltzen ever did in any of his 5 games at halfback.
 
My team. Hopefully it's on the money…
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1.Brown
2.tuqiri
3.lawrence
4.ayshford
5.ryan
6.marshall
7.Moltzen
8.gibbs
9.farah
10.galloway
11.ellis
12.heinington
13.Fulton

14.cayless
15.moors
16.payten
17.taumata
 
@Danos said:
Lui touched the ball a lot against the Roosters, for better or worse he seemed more involved than Moltzen ever did in any of his 5 games at halfback.
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Think that had more to do with Farah and Marshall on the bench for 30 mins..Lui playing the full 80…

So would you have Lui over Moltzen at 7....

Motzen at 1...cause he will be in the team...
 
@king sirro said:
Your point about Moltzen is right. The thing with Tim is that i actually think with an organising half inside him, he'd be the best 5/8 this club has. Now im not saying he's a better player than Benji, just that with the right halfback, he'd be a better 5/8 than Benji. Should i start ducking?
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Sirro what many of the Moltzen for halfback lovers ignore is that he is a runner not an organiser. I agree with you that he is a more classic 5/8th than Benji. I still wonder what Benji would have achieved if he played his career as a full back. He may have been a more consistent footballer from there. In respect of Tim, I still wonder whether he has the ability to win us games if Marshall has an off-day. I am not convinced of this.
 
Anyone who thinks Lui will be in any jersey but the seven come next week is kidding themselves!

This is the team -

1\. Moltzen
2\. Fitzhenry
3\. Ayshford
4\. Lawrence
5\. Ryan
6\. Marshall
7\. Lui
8\. Gibbs
9\. Farah
10\. Galloway
11\. Ellis
12\. Fulton
13\. Heighnington

14\. Cayless
15\. Mataka
16\. Payten
17\. Tuqiri
 
@Geo. said:
@southerntiger said:
As I said, I dont disgaree with that. There are legitimate reasons why Lui should not be picked. Downplaying his performance against the Sharks, in my view, is not one of them if the person you are going to pick is Moltzen (who pkayed in the same and from what I have heard didnt really perform).

This actually comes back to one of my problems with Tim in the 7, his inability to organise and dominate a game. Like Lui, he is not a natural 7 and for this reason I am not a confident as others that he is a long term solution here.

Moltzen is a better organiser than Lui ….IMO

Thing is though in OUR team Robbie and Benji Run the Show....Farah does most of the organising from dummy half for the first 4 shifting to the right of the field....then It's the Benji show down the left....That's been Sheens go since '07...

Unless you got Kimmorely or Thurstan as our halfback I can't see anyone in our roster that will dominate these two no matter what Number is on there back...

I think an X Factor could be Fulton ....know your not a fan... but he Attacks well down the right of the field..I see points in Farah/Fulton down that edge....
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I am not arguing for Lui over Moltzen. I am just saying that Moltzen doesnt have the complete game to be the automatic selection at 7 that people think he should be.

Fulton is a good footy player and I was once a big fan. Unfortunately, I think we already have a highly skilled team and on that basis dont trulu need small skillful backrowers. We need grunt to let Benji, Robbie and whoever is the 7 to run the show.
 
Problem is that I dont see Fulton ever getting a chance to display his skills in a side that has Farah and Marshall. In that case, I would rather extra size. But I am willing to give him a chance this year.
 
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